WIP: Milo (56k warning)

[LlamaMaster]

I have very little time to talk right now so I'll just post pictures. One thing though, this is only a small portion of the level. The rest is untextured and I'll post renders of it later.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2583/milotexturedjc1.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/2724/milotextured2xg3.jpg

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8137/milotextured3qd7.jpg

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/114/milotextured4nt7.jpg

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/528/milotextured5nb8.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6875/milotextured6ya7.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4707/milotextured7hc2.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7517/milotextured9ow9.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5708/milotextured10qt4.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4135/milotextured12le1.jpg

This next room isn't quite finished yet, so ignore the big UV errors.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/575/largeforunnerbasemr7.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7121/largeforunnerbase2pz6.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9387/largeforunnerbase3zo8.jpg

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/635/largeforunnerbase4ps3.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/300/largeforunnerbase5si9.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4462/largeforunnerbase6dl3.jpg

Comments? Remember my last map was tiny-ass...

[megaxp]

nice work

[SuperSunny]

I like! Can't wait to see it ingame!

[Hurrvish]

a tribute eh? ;)

[Con]

Cool, but it could use bit more variety in texturing and more model detail. I would also change those grimy, outdoor textures for nicer ones.

[soccerbummer1104]

haha, i remember the beta test of this with you and me. Those mountains on the outside were fun as shit to get air off of. I think i actually still have it in my maps folder :)

[Sever]

those exploding box things? if you're talking about the yellow glowing panels, then you are just an unobservant NOOB! Those are standard Halo 1 lights, NOT Halo 2 Fusion Cores.

[Kalub]

Yea; no, why don't you shut up.

It was an honest mistake, and I'm sure you didn't have to be an asshat.

[Kalub]

Gawd, its so annoying dealing with people like him, especially since I've been around... oh since I was 11 (Currently 16)

I remember when we used hex editors and meta swaps, and when Ironforge found the offsets.... good times

[Tweek]

I remember when we used hex editors and meta swaps, and when Ironforge found the offsets.... good times

good times, good times.

swapping bitmaps and projectiles, sigh. good times.
back when log-mods were still cool.

[DarkLord]

It looks very nice, this si way better than tiny ass keep up the good work!

[Kalub]

Log mods WERE the shit. Building bunkers in BG with sparkedit, and whatnot :)

[Sever]

^@ n00b1n8r: Just making a farce of your name noob1. I was also up late when I wrote this, so I found it funny then but I don't now. Sorry :(

Also, will peole stop calling me seRver?!?!?!?!?!? I have ONE 'R' in my name. One. Not two, just one. If you (everyone in general) can't spell someone's name right, either copy & paste/quote it, or dont say it.

[PenGuin1362]

modeling is rather bland, however not a bad layout. defiantly has some potential

[Pred1ator]

^@ n00b1n8r: Just making a farce of your name noob1. I was also up late when I wrote this, so I found it funny then but I don't now. Sorry :(

Also, will peole stop calling me seRver?!?!?!?!?!? I have ONE 'R' in my name. One. Not two, just one. If you (everyone in general) can't spell someone's name right, either copy & paste/quote it, or dont say it.


shut up server :lol:

good map Llama, when i saw tiny ass i didnt even think it was a map, anyway major improvement from tiny ass, cant wait to see it ingame

[paladin]

It looks good, but i would add more detail to it. Whether it's by improving the textures or adding geometry. Also, I would make it bigger, but its a good start.

[Agamemnon]

Very different from your last "map." Good stuff.

[Xegrot]

I'm liking it so far, and it looks like it's gonna have a lot of potential. For some reason, the architecture reminds me of Tomb Raider... must be the textures. Oh well, keep at it!

[LlamaMaster]

Cool, but it could use bit more variety in texturing and more model detail. I would also change those grimy, outdoor textures for nicer ones.

Believe me, if I could texture myself instead of using bungie textures thing map would look way better.



modeling is rather bland, however not a bad layout. defiantly has some potentialI realize that, but I'm just freehanding all of this with no concepts but my mind. It's look a little better ingame too. :D

Alright, here are some renders of the rest of the level. Of course there is still alot of work to be done, since it's a WIP and all...

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3752/milorenderma7.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9537/milorender2oi8.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/842/milorender3vo4.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8536/milorender4xv3.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9153/milorender5ej9.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6788/milorender6qf1.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9351/milorender7rl0.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6047/milorender8ev1.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/642/milorender9dn4.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6674/milorender10if7.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6136/milorender11xe5.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1246/milorender12md8.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4909/milorender13qs0.jpg



Here are two more freakishly large renders of the entire level (they are 7500x5625):

http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/l/llamaboy772/34741/lovsdkklfd.jpg (http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/l/llamaboy772/34741/uookpwygoz.thumb500.jpg)

http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/l/llamaboy772/34741/uookpwygoz.jpg

The whole thing is 16,086 faces.

[Patrickssj6]

0.o this could have potential

[SMASH]

I liked the start of it, but the whole bunch of balls and crap make it look too much like a ballsack.

Too many styles in one map.

[LlamaMaster]

I liked the start of it, but the whole bunch of balls and crap make it look too much like a ballsack.

Too many styles in one map.
Say what? I only see one ball....

Edit: Are you talking about the caves?

[LinkandKvel]

God don't I remember the first alpha. This is a BIG step from that one lol. BTW where'd you get this idea and the name for it?

[LlamaMaster]

God don't I remember the first alpha. This is a BIG step from that one lol. BTW where'd you get this idea and the name for it?
Idea = Daydreaming in school Name = my cat

[Ki11a_FTW]

tiny ass ownes this

i remember testing the untextured version i said it needs a shit load of l smoothing l

and still does

but its getting there nice model. gj

jk about tinyass

[Xegrot]

Whoa! You've made some serious progress on this! I can't wait to see what'll come next. I think it looks great.

[Leiukemia]

I think you've improved over time. The place definantly looks interesting. Although, you do seem to have wasted a lot of polygons on some spots. It also seems rather boring for gameplay. But I do say I like it for creativeness.

[{MMT} Pope]

I love it dude i just love it..it looks kool, and fun and it will be number 1

[LlamaMaster]

I think you've improved over time. The place definantly looks interesting. Although, you do seem to have wasted a lot of polygons on some spots. It also seems rather boring for gameplay. But I do say I like it for creativeness.
This will most likely be a SP map, seeing as how all one team has to do is capture the flag and toss it down to the bottom to score. About the polys, I agree. There are a few spots I went overboard in, but it should be ok since I'm portaling it.

[Ki11a_FTW]

actually i know a scripting way to prevent that.

[Tweek]

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9351/milorender7rl0.jpg

thats the only non-bad part i noticed.

like the cave, hate the rest. sofar.
add more stuff, and make it less empty. make it somewhat interesting to look at. at the moment, its totally boring.

[LlamaMaster]

Took long enough, didn't it? I only got one textured room ingame so far, so I think it looks sexy. :) (ignore the glass)

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2519/haloce2007061921485129cb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Elite Killa]

Sweet Jesus! :eek:

[SnaFuBAR]

it's boring. texturing isn't bad, modeling is. needs way more mesh detail.

[Ki11a_FTW]

glass ftl

[LlamaMaster]

it's boring. texturing isn't bad, modeling is. needs way more mesh detail.
I fail to understand your logic. Does having a ***gasp*** plain wall make something boring? Real life has those everywhere, and even bungie levels like hang 'em high have plenty of plain walls. The madness maps may not be all that pretty, but some of them are hella fun. I haven't even put in scenery yet, and the whole place in going to be full of bipeds too. Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not rejecting you comments in any way, I just have no idea what else I could add. (Besides random SVC style extrusions)

Edit: Lol killa...

[Con]

Forerunner halls aren't boxes with beveled edges. You have to look at other examples in the game. Go look at the interior of Death Island's bases, the AotCR generator rooms. There is a reason that there is more shape in a room in high traffic areas. Scenery doesn't always solve the problem. Detail doesn't have to be SVC style extrusions. Just look at what's already in the game; it's really not that hard.

[LlamaMaster]

Well, I looked at B30, and damn, thats alot of detail. I still have no idea what I'm supposed to do with that room though, any suggestions?

[Sever]

Angle the walls, like the hallways in AotCR (they're hexagonal, but with the top half stretched upwards). That's what I'm doing for the bridge on my remake of Chill Out.

EDIT: \/ give me a day or two to think and research. I'll think of something that should fit.

[LlamaMaster]

Angle the walls, like the hallways in AotCR (they're hexagonal, but with the top half stretched upwards). That's what I'm doing for the bridge on my remake of Chill Out.
Thats would completely kill the whole style of the room, so no. I'm looking to add detail, not change the whole structure.

[phase]

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2519/haloce2007061921485129cb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Good modeling bad texturing.
Looks like its not uwv unwrapped.
The coloured walls look weird.
How about using textures intended for floors on floors?

[DaaxGhost]

That's actually the proper way to texture. even on some of bungies maps you'll see that. I like it, but the walls with coloring are kinda weird. But I like it so far.

[phase]

That's actually the proper way to texture. even on some of bungies maps you'll see that. I like it, but the walls with coloring are kinda weird. But I like it so far.
Just becuse bungie textured that way doesn't mean you have too.

[DaneO'Roo]

Good modeling bad texturing.
Looks like its not uwv unwrapped.
The coloured walls look weird.
How about using textures intended for floors on floors?

uh...

It's meh modelling, decent texturing.
It most certainly is uv mapped, because if it wasn't, it'd look like a huge mess of shit.
The coloured walls are actually the alpha channel and cubemap, not the texture.
The floor textures he has ARE floor textures, as seen in the single player "The Silent Cartographer". They just also get used as wall textures in places. The darker, exterior varient of that texture is the one he has around the middle pole. That is meant to be on walls. It's just too dark to look good with other wall textures, unless you have dark ones made. Wich is why he has the lighter, interior varient of it on the floor. A slight bit of contrast in colour, but not a drastic change of shade to totally take away from the walls.


I think it's just because after 2 years of custom maps, 90 percent of them using the same textures, maps just start to get boring.
wich is why my map will be unique >:]

[Sever]

Try some indented sections in the walls, and don't just do squares, do octagonal-based poygons sectiond off into segments. PM me if you need more explanation on this idea.

[phase]

uh...

It's meh modelling, decent texturing.
It most certainly is uv mapped, because if it wasn't, it'd look like a huge mess of shit.
The coloured walls are actually the alpha channel and cubemap, not the texture.
The floor textures he has ARE floor textures, as seen in the single player "The Silent Cartographer". They just also get used as wall textures in places. The darker, exterior varient of that texture is the one he has around the middle pole. That is meant to be on walls. It's just too dark to look good with other wall textures, unless you have dark ones made. Wich is why he has the lighter, interior varient of it on the floor. A slight bit of contrast in colour, but not a drastic change of shade to totally take away from the walls.


I think it's just because after 2 years of custom maps, 90 percent of them using the same textures, maps just start to get boring.
wich is why my map will be unique >:]
Its meh texturing and layout, decent modeling.
I never asked if the coloured walls were cuased by the cubemap or alpha I just said it looked weird.
I was talking about the celling texture witch I haven't seen used as a celling
My map shall also be unique, if I ever get halo 2 vista to test the core gameplay.

[LlamaMaster]

Ehhh, my concepts never turn out how their supposed too....

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1923/milorender17ub6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot

I know, it sucks. I need to add WAY more detail to that room with the tanks. Their will be a metal mesh screen over the hole in the wall. I'll keep trying to make it look better...

[Btd69]

Try making pipes along the inside walls.. also you could make a portion of the 'tank' transparent and show liquid or something?

[LlamaMaster]

Try making pipes along the inside walls.. also you could make a portion of the 'tank' transparent and show liquid or something?
I have a few pipes, but I'm not sure where to put any others.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8145/milorender18je1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Ki11a_FTW]

:XD: needs work

[Neuro Guro]

Well Llama I have to agree with everyone else that it is bland and such but I do have to mention that I notice you are getting better at modeling, this is a step ahead of most of the shit i've ya post and I beleive that if you do indeed practice more and really concentrate on modeling you can have some potential.

Heres what I want you to do to practice some, play halo. Halo CE or Halo2, and try to look for some very cool modeling and try to think "How would I start to model something like that?". Try and think of the whole process that goes through a good modeler's mind when he is constructing something, then try it out. Spend a couple nights just practicing a bit then go back to work on your map. Also I'd recommend you join some populated servers and go in dev camera mode and watch people play the map. Truely study how this game works in terms of gameplay and look for all of the little things in a good maps layout that make it fun then try to come up with your own ideas of little parts of the map that would be fun that you could build for your own map.

[LlamaMaster]

Well Llama I have to agree with everyone else that it is bland and such but I do have to mention that I notice you are getting better at modeling, this is a step ahead of most of the shit i've ya post and I beleive that if you do indeed practice more and really concentrate on modeling you can have some potential.

Heres what I want you to do to practice some, play halo. Halo CE or Halo2, and try to look for some very cool modeling and try to think "How would I start to model something like that?". Try and think of the whole process that goes through a good modeler's mind when he is constructing something, then try it out. Spend a couple nights just practicing a bit then go back to work on your map. Also I'd recommend you join some populated servers and go in dev camera mode and watch people play the map. Truely study how this game works in terms of gameplay and look for all of the little things in a good maps layout that make it fun then try to come up with your own ideas of little parts of the map that would be fun that you could build for your own map.
All good tips, and I've done the first one several times. I believe my problem doesn't lie within my modeling ability, but my imagination and drawing skills. Everything I've ever made (except guns) have been freehand modeled. By that I meen that I use zero reference pics, and just model whatever come to mind. I believe this habit makes my modeling suffer, and as you guys said "plain". I always had trouble adding detail to my work. This is not because my modeling skill is flawed, but is simply because I DON'T KNOW WHAT I SHOULD MAKE. Also I can't draw worth shit, and that causes me to model completely from a blurry half drawn mental image embedded in my brain. In my sleep I'm extremely creative, and create vast environments with little relation to reality. When I'm awake all of that dissapears, and I'm forced to mimic the structures from Halo. How you guys make you stuff anyway? Do you have all the details planned out on paper before modeling, or do you just know how to make everything extremely detailed from the start? Do tell...

Also I'm still looking for ideas of what to add to the room.

[Ki11a_FTW]

What i do when i try to make a good model of something for my map, i would draw the object on a piece of paper. Top view, and side views. Then Scan it onto my computer and put em on planes in 3ds max and start plane modeling the object. But if you cant draw good nvm..

[DaaxGhost]

I Have a Visual creation. I'll draw it on a pice of paper and look back and forth from 3ds on the pic on my desk. Sometimes it doesn't turn out exactly how I wanted it but its ok. But You do whatever will make it better.;)