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Amit
March 2nd, 2012, 12:55 PM
Pretty awesome. (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/gdc2012/fe_question_en.html)

Note: Click the link, choose your language and then close the tab and click the link again.

Guess which one is real life and guess which one is the realtime-rendering FOX engine:

http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/gdc2012/images/choose_pic.jpg
mech
March 2nd, 2012, 01:07 PM
left, small pictures =/= realism.
chrisk123999
March 2nd, 2012, 02:08 PM
It's obvious, look at the back of the chairs.
Ifafudafi
March 2nd, 2012, 02:21 PM
left, small pictures =/= realism.


It's obvious, look at the back of the chairs.

The framed posters on the second one are suffering from clear aliasing, the table isn't reflecting everything properly, the flourescent lights on the top don't have the same glow (and along with the vents they're quite flat), the black chairs on the 4th picture are too bright, the shadows of the red ones in the same picture are too uniform and clear (only one or two shadows/object, or just one or two dynamic lights?), and that's just what I noticed immediately

I mean it's not obviously ugly or anything, but if you want to impress, you'll need to do more than a 345x231 image of a small, well-lit conference room, especially when it comes to other engine things ex. how much of the shadowing/radiosity is dynamic (if any), physics and environmental interaction, LOD-systems and such for more open areas, animation, and so on
Kornman00
March 2nd, 2012, 04:12 PM
Shadowing (look at the ones being casted from the chairs) is meh as well.
NullZero
March 2nd, 2012, 04:37 PM
You should've put two sets of the real one so people would look for the difference of the same picture.
BobtheGreatII
March 2nd, 2012, 05:25 PM
It's mostly the aliasing that caught my eye. On the TV. Looks neat though.
Amit
March 3rd, 2012, 02:10 PM
Good. At least everyone applied logic to find the correct one. The one on the left is real and the one on the right is the FOX engine. For what it is, it's a remarkable engine they have there. Maybe the next Metal Gear Solid game will use it.
BobtheGreatII
March 3rd, 2012, 06:18 PM
No I won't argue with that. It does look really good.
Ifafudafi
March 3rd, 2012, 07:19 PM
Read the site again, and according to it, "no lightmaps are used in the rendering process," so apparently the lighting is completely and fully dynamic in every way; neat

again, the super-low resolution and small, basic, closed-off environment make it difficult to really judge things but at least ^ is pretty cool

E: Although those red chairs make me wonder if the modeler was just a lazy arse or if they're actually having to watch polycount that closely due to said lighting; hopefully the former
DarkHalo003
March 3rd, 2012, 11:31 PM
The engine is okay, but not revolutionary by anymeans. It's still very easy to tell apart reality from CGI.
Amit
March 4th, 2012, 01:34 AM
Read the site again, and according to it, "no lightmaps are used in the rendering process," so apparently the lighting is completely and fully dynamic in every way; neat

again, the super-low resolution and small, basic, closed-off environment make it difficult to really judge things but at least ^ is pretty cool

E: Although those red chairs make me wonder if the modeler was just a lazy arse or if they're actually having to watch polycount that closely due to said lighting; hopefully the former

Yeah, I was thinking mostly the same thing. This is just one demonstration. I'll be won over with many more plus live demonstrations.


The engine is okay, but not revolutionary by anymeans. It's still very easy to tell apart reality from CGI.

It's really easy to tell the difference between this and CGI because in this case CGI looks less real (if you ignore the chair model and aliasing on the posters).

If we were to ask the average person which set of images were real, I'm sure most would have a hard time discerning which is the fake one.
DarkHalo003
March 4th, 2012, 01:41 AM
Yeah, I was thinking mostly the same thing. This is just one demonstration. I'll be won over with many more plus live demonstrations.



It's really easy to tell the difference between this and CGI because in this case CGI looks less real (if you ignore the chair model and aliasing on the posters).

If we were to ask the average person which set of images were real, I'm sure most would have a hard time discerning which is the fake one.
I don't think that's a valid excuse though. We, the people who deal with this daily, should at least look at it and be like "I remember the first few times looking at that and thinking it was real life....or at least close to it."
Amit
March 4th, 2012, 01:48 PM
You're honestly going to tell me you looked at the images and knew right off the bat which was which just by looking at it? I know I didn't so I had to go looking for the usual signs of a game engine versus real life (aliasing, lighting, etc.).
DarkHalo003
March 4th, 2012, 02:31 PM
You're honestly going to tell me you looked at the images and knew right off the bat which was which just by looking at it? I know I didn't so I had to go looking for the usual signs of a game engine versus real life (aliasing, lighting, etc.).
Yes, I suppose perhaps I have too keen an eye for it. I apologize for sounding crass and over-assertive from before, then.
Amit
March 4th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Na, don't worry about it. You seem adamant that you can tell the difference right off the bat. I'm not you so I don't know what you're seeing. Your brain must be thinking to look for such differences right away. I always like to compare the two sets with quick glances to see if they are difficult to tell a part at first glance before really analyzing them.
=sw=warlord
March 5th, 2012, 09:40 AM
The colour vibrancy was the first cue that told me which was which, the other was that the ceiling was flat.
Hotrod
March 5th, 2012, 07:05 PM
Yeah, my roommate showed me this the other day and I couldn't tell the difference between the two and actually guessed that the one on the left was fake. Now that you guys pointed all the modeling errors and aliasing, it's pretty obvious which one is real and which one isn't, but when you're not thinking to look for that stuff, they both look pretty damn convincing.
Cortexian
March 8th, 2012, 07:19 PM
You're honestly going to tell me you looked at the images and knew right off the bat which was which just by looking at it?
I knew immediately because my eyes were drawn to the completely fake looking backs of the chairs, then to the differences in shadows. Shadows have always needed work.
Bodzilla
March 11th, 2012, 04:28 AM
i thought the colours for the portraits where off

that was the first thing i saw.
i saw the backs of the chairs a bit later
Siliconmaster
March 16th, 2012, 02:00 AM
What cued me in was that the shadows from the chairs on the ground were pretty sharp, which is very unrealistic in a room with ceiling fluorescent lighting. It does look pretty good though. Like everyone else, I'll wait to see better examples.
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Yes... I agree completely...
Amit
March 18th, 2012, 02:33 AM
Oh Jesus Christ.
ODX
March 18th, 2012, 10:38 AM
The chairs look so bad lol.
Amit
September 3rd, 2012, 06:27 PM
Well a new extended gameplay trailer for Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeros was shown the other day:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/01/metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-extended-14-minute-demo

The in-game cutscenes are so smooth that it looks pre-rendered. I was starting to think it was, but with a gameplay look instead, but then it went right into the gameplay and I was like "shit those are some smooth in-engine cinematics."
Zeph
September 3rd, 2012, 07:30 PM
Didn't think to post it here, but there was a tech demo a couple weeks ago.
http://www.livestream.com/shamch/video?clipId=pla_15da8c82-b7ce-4df9-9ed8-17faa6ce97ea
They've really kicked ass getting good tools written to make use of the engine.
Kornman00
September 3rd, 2012, 11:16 PM
http://www.livestream.com/shamch/video?clipId=pla_15da8c82-b7ce-4df9-9ed8-17faa6ce97ea

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Zeph
September 13th, 2012, 03:26 AM
ぜんぜんじゃないファック
Kornman00
May 2nd, 2013, 03:09 AM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/191531/Video_Kojima_Productions_shows_off_Metal_Gear_Soli d_Vs_FOX_Engine_at_GDC.php
Amit
May 2nd, 2013, 08:44 AM
Oh, 1.5 hour vid? Ain't nobody got time fo dat in the work day.
Kornman00
May 2nd, 2013, 10:03 AM
1hr of it is spent waiting for someone to speaka Engrish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW4ZGO_Hi_8)