Know what would be nice? U.S. Citizens Using U.S. Servers. And mods watching for bots

[TheTriforceKid]

A friend and I have had the extreme misfortune to end up playing on your servers, which are US servers (As I understand, correct me if I'm wrong), and wind up playing against people from other countries who complain about U.S. players "lagging". Well, I think it would be nice to come into a U.S. based server and play against other people who are not only hooking in ~from~ the US, but also speak English to some extent. Do not get us wrong. We ~enjoy~ your servers when we aren't forced to deal with foreign individuals who lag the server all to hell and then blame ~us~ for causing it, when we're based in the country the server is based in.

You can't be a "Team player" when you can't understand a single damn word someone is saying.

My friend and I have also run into a lot of botters, but we are not sure what the rules are regarding sight-jacking so we haven't used it to try and catch these people in the act.

It would also be nice if a moderator could come in at some point during the day and keep an eye on things.

We even had a player come in claiming she knew "The 'Real' Triforce Kid" (Which is me, and I didn't know this person from a Himalayan) and that she could hack the server and cause High Pings. "her" name is "Misty".

What we want to know is, if we suspect someone to be Aimbotting, do we have your permission to sightjack and record?

As I said in a post some time back, my friend and I are into legit play, and we like to ruin the fun of players who use bots and speed-hacks.

Once again, we find your servers to be quite enjoyable for several reasons. Map variety, map setup variety, and gameplay options. We don't like that people hook in from other countries and blame U.S. players for the lag, we don't like the aimbotters or the speed hackers, and the two of us would like to be helpful in rooting out the botters and speedsters.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

[STLRamsFan]

Since I can spare a few moments... Answers in bold.


A friend and I have had the extreme misfortune to end up playing on your servers, which are US servers (As I understand, correct me if I'm wrong), and wind up playing against people from other countries who complain about U.S. players "lagging". Well, I think it would be nice to come into a U.S. based server and play against other people who are not only hooking in ~from~ the US, but also speak English to some extent. Do not get us wrong. We ~enjoy~ your servers when we aren't forced to deal with foreign individuals who lag the server all to hell and then blame ~us~ for causing it, when we're based in the country the server is based in.
Huh? Can't do anything about that. Just deal with it, this happens in all online games.

You can't be a "Team player" when you can't understand a single damn word someone is saying.

Honestly, unless you are in a clan or with a team of people that actually care about winning in this game, this really has been a "me" type game over the years. In fact I rarely see a team game played on Halo these days. In fact, for a lot of us this game has turned into another IM service.

My friend and I have also run into a lot of botters, but we are not sure what the rules are regarding sight-jacking so we haven't used it to try and catch these people in the act.

Go ahead and sigh-jack. If you got proof that someone's botting, post it here or message a moderator such as Jcap or Freelancer (or whatever his name is now...).

It would also be nice if a moderator could come in at some point during the day and keep an eye on things.

A lot of us have a life so sorry if we can't always be there. (This is assuming I still have access to the servers, ha)

We even had a player come in claiming she knew "The 'Real' Triforce Kid" (Which is me, and I didn't know this person from a Himalayan) and that she could hack the server and cause High Pings. "her" name is "Misty".

Interesting. Guessing another one of those server hacks is out there (another Luigi program?).

What we want to know is, if we suspect someone to be Aimbotting, do we have your permission to sightjack and record?

Go ahead.

As I said in a post some time back, my friend and I are into legit play, and we like to ruin the fun of players who use bots and speed-hacks.

Folks who use bots and speed-hacks will always be out there no matter what. We try the best we can to handle them.

Once again, we find your servers to be quite enjoyable for several reasons. Map variety, map setup variety, and gameplay options. We don't like that people hook in from other countries and blame U.S. players for the lag, we don't like the aimbotters or the speed hackers, and the two of us would like to be helpful in rooting out the botters and speedsters.

I can understand the cheaters, that part I understand. But seriously? You're complaining about people, who have a right to connect to any server they please, just because they are out of the country? Hilarious. Go tell that to European servers (assuming there are still some running). They have a right to play the game just like we do. Got folks on this site who are out of the country and that we like. Get over it... :\

Any feedback would be appreciated.

See above in bold.

[t3h m00kz]

FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS

and sightjacking is fine

[PopeAK49]

About the whole 'different country' argument:http://www.8bitbrigade.com/images/smilies/954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

But sightjacker is your best bet against botters. There is not true way to prevent someone from another country from coming to a server, unless you ban there countries IP address pool. But who wouldn't use a proxy to bypass that?

[Ryx]

Plateau Problems.

As for misty, all they'd have to do is DoS the server to make high ping. And they could find the IP by joining the server. Egad!

As for botters, pretty sure you're free to sightjack seeing as there's a report cheaters section somewhere.

[TVTyrant]

FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS

and sightjacking is fine

So true lol.

And Neuro, was that really necessary?

[TeeKup]

Attention OP: Go away.

[DarkHalo003]

OP, listen to RamsFan. A lot of your problems cannot be helped and you should also get a better router/connection if they persist.

[Pooky]

Iirc speed hacking is not even possible in Halo unless you're the connection host since player positions are determined by the server.

Also neuro, bite me.

[=sw=warlord]

Hook, Line, Sinker.

[Limited]

We dont live in a perfect world. Sure we'd love every server to be super quick for everyone, but sadly we dont have that.

Lag sucks yes, but if your saying to stop any foreign players (myself included), then the number of people in server would drop. You have the possibility of being the only one left in the server - what do you prefer, a little lag or playing on your own?

If you really want full control, go buy a server for yourself, copy our map rotation and then ban all foreign players. The M
odacity server has a reputation of 'For All People', its that ethos that attracts a lot of people.

[Cortexian]

Sight-jacking and recording video proof of botters is encouraged. Give it to jcap or myself (along with the server you were on and time/day), we will look through the server logs and ban the individuals in question if they are found to be botting.

Alternatively, play in the Lancers Edge servers. They have SLIGHTLY more ping than the Modacity servers (based in Western Canada), but I have administrators in the servers almost daily making sure things are going smoothly.

I'm always looking for admins to help watch for botters and stuff on my servers as well, sign up on my site for more information:
http://www.lancersedge.net

[TheTriforceKid]

Okay, lots of hatefulness going on. Not really cool at all, honestly. And, of course, it wasn't so cool of me to go off on "foreigners" the way I did, but I was extremely frustrated with the lack of moderation. I play quite often and find that mods aren't in the servers a lot of the time that I am in, (And my friend complains a lot about the foreigners bit. I, particular don't mind them as long as they are decent players. It ~would~ be nice if I could understand what half of them are saying, though. I took Spanish 1 in High School, loved it, but didn't get through high School (Got my GED a year after I was supposed to graduate. It's a TL;DR story, so not going into that here) so I didn't get to complete it, and it was the "American Spanish", which bugged the hell out of me, because it's still hard to understand most Spanish with that version of the language.

As for the second poster basically calling me racist, I'm far from it. I have people from all walks of life in my family tree, as does anyone else. I know, factually, that I have Scottish, welsh, Cherokee, and Comanche blood running through my veins, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were other races. I was taken care of as a child by a black woman from time to time, whom I call my Auntie to this very day. A very sweet, loving, kind person.

I am offended that you would think I am racist ~just~ because one little aspect of my gaming enjoyment feels off to me.

I ~enjoy~ being a team player. That's what Capture the Flag is all about. A Team. What happens when everyone rushes off and doesn't know that there's nobody defending base? You tell them you're goin' on defense, or ask someone to join you on defense.

You can't do that if you don't know how to say "Hey! (Insert name here), stay here and defend the base with me!"

Or "Hey! There's a (Insert vehicle, number of enemies in vehicle here) heading for base!"

I don't know enough Spanish to say those things (I probably should, I suppose, since I do like to learn new things, and Spanish is one of those languages that sounds phonetically harmonious to me).

It shoudl only make sense.. Capture the Flag is a military training game that ~forces~ you to rely on your teammates to win. "Army of 1" and all that.

That's why I play the CTF servers.

I wasn't trying to offend anyone, but apparently some very rude people took offense and became offensive, and for that, I apologize.

As for going away and never returnin'? Don't see that happenin' anytime soon. So put out your torches and put away your pitchforks, please.

[=sw=warlord]

TL;DR.
Get a better connection or play on dedicated servers.

[jcap]

A few months ago, I was considering setting up some competitive servers. They would run gametypes that would be more appealing to people like you. I never got around to it, since ~life~ happens. A US-only server would be an interesting addition, now that you bring it up. I could set up firewall rules to selectively allow only specific countries. Maybe I'll get around to setting it up during the week after my winter term ends, but I won't get to setting up the new gametypes until the summer (wish I didn't have to wait that long).

I don't advocate banning users because they speak a different language or aren't team players. However, I hate aimbotters. If you want, I can give you the rcon password since I am in need of more active admins. I had 5, but I don't think they play anymore.

[Cortexian]

I think Amit and myself are the only ones on this site who actively jump on CE and play awhile every few days.

jcap, you need to PM me FTP info and rcon to the servers again. I'm still setup as an app admin but I'm missing the core admin access. And you should grant my user on the webcp Halo server access, unless those are on different servers.

[TVTyrant]

I jump on and play, but Im not an admin, and my computer sucks so I usually dont play long anymore.

[Pooky]

I'd volunteer to admin, but last time I tried that I realized I don't really care that much anymore.

[JackalStomper]

I don't advocate banning users because they speak a different language or aren't team players. However, I hate aimbotters. If you want, I can give you the rcon password since I am in need of more active admins. I had 5, but I don't think they play anymore.

I play and ban cheaters all the time. It's more of the fact that banning doesn't seem to actually DO anything other than kick them. I've had an aimbotter come back 5 times before he got tired of getting banned and stopped.

[TPBlinD]

I play CE pretty much every day lately, I haven't seen anyone I recognize :(
also, rcon <<<<<~ this guy

[Cortexian]

I play and ban cheaters all the time. It's more of the fact that banning doesn't seem to actually DO anything other than kick them. I've had an aimbotter come back 5 times before he got tired of getting banned and stopped.
Hash+IP ban makes it less convenient for them to come back immediately.

[Ryx]

I don't advocate banning users because they speak a different language or aren't team players. However, I hate aimbotters. If you want, I can give you the rcon password since I am in need of more active admins. I had 5, but I don't think they play anymore.
...there's always me <3

@op rage: You come here bashing people, when half of the people here don't live in the US, and the rest have just gotten used to it. Don't say this thread is so full of hateful responses when you put an extremely ignorant OP and just sat there while the replies came in.

protip: if you want "competitive" play, get friends in an VOIP client like Teamspeak or Vent. Then party up. There are several clans that give you the opportunity to, or you can just find enough randoms the speak english and get something organized. People do this all the time; opencarnage nights and (unofficial) bungie nights have been rampant recently.

[Rainbow Dash]

I still play from time to time, but I don't really go around sight jacking everyone every few minutes to see whether they're cheating, and the only administration I do is kicking the odd fuckwit who goes around griefing/constantly insulting people, so yeah.

If we had a Busted aimbotter section, like the old [HIV] forums had that would be kinda helpful in allowing me to actually recognize botters on the servers~

[JackalStomper]

Just look for a guy bunnyhopping across the map shooting a pistol at full auto and sucks dick with slow moving projectiles.

[Cortexian]

If we had a Busted aimbotter section, like the old [HIV] forums had that would be kinda helpful in allowing me to actually recognize botters on the servers~
http://www.lancersedge.net/forumdisplay.php?20-Aimbot-Reports

[STLRamsFan]

Surprised you still have the old list, actually still have it on here locked away.

[Cortexian]

I still have the old list somewhere, but that's not what I'm using. I'm only banning people I find botting on Lancers Edge servers.

[Sever]

I normally wouldn't support, let alone condone this blatant xenophobia, fanatic nationalism, and geographical discrimination that TheTriforceKid is suggesting, but anything that will exclude Freelancer (currently under the monicker Cortexian) gets my vote.

[Cortexian]

I normally wouldn't support, let alone condone this blatant xenophobia, fanatic nationalism, and geographical discrimination that TheTriforceKid is suggesting, but anything that will exclude Freelancer (currently under the monacker Cortexian) gets my vote.
What are you going on about? I admin the Modacity and Lancers Edge servers, which are some of the best servers on CE right now. I'm pro-aimbot banning as well.

[Sever]

Yeah, but you're not a US citizen.

[Ryx]

Yeah, but you're not a US citizen.
Reads entire thread, replies to OP 3 pages later. :realsmug:

[urbanyoung]

It's the mexicans that keep Halo CE active. Can't have it both ways.

[Ryx]

It's the mexicans that keep Halo CE active. Can't have it both ways.
The colombians all moved onto h2v.

[Rosco]

god damn europeans ruining my halo,

but seriously you'll just have to come to terms with it dude the player base is so small that you won't get what you want, even when there were far more populated servers in earlier days - you couldn't come across anything you described there.

[{XG}Gijs007]

god damn europeans ruining my halo,

but seriously you'll just have to come to terms with it dude the player base is so small that you won't get what you want, even when there were far more populated servers in earlier days - you couldn't come across anything you described there.
Your blaming us for being European?
Bitch please, My servers are always full of north and south American players but I don't block them either.
Just enable a decent ping kick system on your server that kicks based on the amount of players in the server.

For example in my servers ping kick gets disabled if the player number is below 9, if its full then it's set at an "aggressive" level of 450 ms.

[Cortexian]

Or just playin North American servers, like the Lancers Edge and Modacity servers. Between my four servers and jcaps 6-8 there's plenty of room.

[urbanyoung]

Your blaming us for being European?

He was being sarcastic you retard.

[NullZero]

Hint: (Rosco is from the UK)

[jcap]

Ok so does anyone here actually play in the servers and want to be a mod? Ryx said he was interested, but does he play often enough?

[KantIZBack]

What there are countries in the internet. :smith:

[Cortexian]

Ok so does anyone here actually play in the servers and want to be a mod? Ryx said he was interested, but does he play often enough?
Well he plays in my servers lots. Almost daily.

[TPBlinD]

Ok so does anyone here actually play in the servers and want to be a mod? Ryx said he was interested, but does he play often enough?i play every day pee poo poo

[supersniper]

I'd volunteer to admin, but last time I tried that I realized I don't really care that much anymore.exactly how i feel ;D why bother.

[{XG}Gijs007]

He was being sarcastic you retard.
You never know, some Americans don't even know where Europe is...

[Tnnaas]

You never know, some Americans don't even know where Europe is...
Is it... West of America? :v:
Sarcasm. I know where Europe is.

[Rainbow Dash]

You never know, some Americans don't even know where Europe is...

plz eurofag don't history lesson me

[t3h m00kz]

europe?

isn't that when a chick runs away and marries some guy without anybody knowing??

[TVTyrant]

plz eurofag don't history lesson me
This. Deserves. A medal.

[Ryx]

europe?

isn't that when a chick runs away and marries some guy without anybody knowing??
Naw go europe yourself.

[Cortexian]

Is it... West of America? :v:
[un-ninja]Sarcasm. I know where Europe is.[/un-ninja]
I don't think you understand how sarcasm works, because Europe is actually West of America... Unless you're one of those people who think the Earth is flat.

[Tnnaas]

I don't think you understand how sarcasm works, because Europe is actually West of America... Unless you're one of those people who think the Earth is flat.
I'm basing my response on the fact that Asia is closer than Europe due West of my position. Europe and Africa are closer than Asia when flying East, or does your airline cross over Russia to get where it's going?

EDIT: And, no, I don't subscribe to the belief that the Earth is flat. That's a silly propisition, just like believing that UFOs don't exist. :tinfoil:

[Rosco]

Your blaming us for being European?
Bitch please, My servers are always full of north and south American players but I don't block them either.
Just enable a decent ping kick system on your server that kicks based on the amount of players in the server.

For example in my servers ping kick gets disabled if the player number is below 9, if its full then it's set at an "aggressive" level of 450 ms.

Yeah haha we ruin halo

[TPBlinD]

450 is way too high, ~333 is on the verge of unplayable and warping across the map

[TVTyrant]

Used to get 30 in the old Ban Free Snow Grove

:realsmug:

[Warsaw]

I used to get ~2500 regularly...on 768k.

[TVTyrant]

I used to get ~2500 regularly...on 768k.
Does, does that even exist anymore?

[Warsaw]

Yeah, actually. I still have it as an option, not that I'd ever take it.

[Pooky]

Still proud that I managed to get myself banned from ban free

[Spartan314]

I'm on a island in the Pacific called New Zealand... I get like 400 regularly... T.T

[TPBlinD]

I don't get why people even attempt playing with over 300 hahaha.

[NullZero]

Lol, even ducky had 267 and that was hard to play with. 300 is pretty much luck when sniping and close-range pistoling - 400 is crazy.

[Warsaw]

Well...play long enough and you learn to adjust your lead times for high pings. I didn't have much problem making reliable hits at close range or when sniping at 300. I always found it hilarious when people took out the shotgun and fired it directly at me, and were dumbstruck after I didn't die when I tore them up with the AR. Gotta lead that shit...

[jcap]

LISTEN UP...

So I created a Halo server that is limited to English-speaking players.

The server is called "MODACITY - ENGLISH"

This is a little experiment I'm trying to see if the server will even get ANY players.

Currently, the mapcycle is Death Island and Blood Gulch.

[TPBlinD]

nobody who speaks english likes death island......

[PopeAK49]

Holy shit it's Blind...

[jcap]

Yeah I removed DI and made it Gulch only....if it gets enough recognition I'll add more maps.

[TPBlinD]

danger canyon is always a good choice :-*

[Pooky]

Get rid of gulch. Put any other stock map in its place.

[TPBlinD]

removing bg kills the playerbase so get your politics out of my halo

[Pooky]

Politics? What the fuck are you talking about?

The player base is going to be dead anyway, might as well play some maps everyone isn't already sick to death of.

[Cortexian]

might as well play some maps everyone isn't already sick to death of.
LancersEdnge.net 03 has a good set of maps and it usually retains its playerbase.

[TPBlinD]

you don't get it
bg is the most popular map in the game. just because you don't like it doesn't mean that the majority has to have a stick up their ass as well.
also, this game has been going to die since 2009 and it's still going.
so. yeah.
edit: just played in the server, there were 4-8 people the whole time and except for some homebro who kept saying QQ, SAT, it was alright. some billingual folks though you should be more specific in the title jfap

[Cortexian]

LancersEdge.net 01 is usually popular because I do Blood Gulch every second map, specically to attract players and then unjustly expose them to another map.

[Timo]

Put danger canyon on, that's the best (stock) map

[JackalStomper]

remember danger canyon is best with infinite grenades and motion trackers on! IS MY SARCASM LOUD ENOUGH?

bloodgulch is boring and poorly balanced but it's also really popular because even an idiot can understand if you walk forward long enough you will reach the other base.

[Ryx]

remember danger canyon is best with infinite grenades and motion trackers on! IS MY SARCASM LOUD ENOUGH?

bloodgulch is boring and poorly balanced but it's also really popular because even an idiot can understand if you walk forward long enough you will reach the other base.
Longest much?

Also, bg is a big open field. which means any idiot in a tank can get a killing spree.

[jcap]

The English server seems to always have 8 people in it. The most I've seen in it was 14 earlier today. I wonder why it doesn't stay higher.

The good news is that the server is actually attracting players who speak English.

[TPBlinD]

Imo remove starting grenades from the servers :))))

[El Lobo]

I've never used a grenade in my life. Pistol 3sk + sniper no-scope'n errybody.

[TPBlinD]

you've never gotten a kill in your life :lobo:

[TheTriforceKid]

hokay. Well, we now have the English server..but's it's only one map..Might I request that you set the server up to switch maps between games? Like Canyon CTF does. Also, I think you should turn on the 3 minute idle kick, as there seem to be a lot of people coming into the game and just idling, making it impossible for the teams to be decidedly even when half of one team is AFK.

[TheTriforceKid]

Also, over the last few days that I've been on, I've seen regular use out of the new English server. It's just a pity that there aren't more maps, like Danger Canyon and Sidewinder. I, personally, (And Demagien, too) enjoy the server greatly. It's great to be able to understand what people are saying! Thank you very much for creating the English server.

[jcap]

I can add more maps to the server, but I started it on BG since it seems to be the best map for filling up a server. I'll add the same mapcycle as the Canyon CTF server if you guys request it. Theremay be something among us English-speaking players that gives us more elite tastes in maps.

However, every time I check out the server status, it seems that it is empty or les than 5 players, especially this past week.

[Pooky]

you don't get it
bg is the most popular map in the game. just because you don't like it doesn't mean that the majority has to have a stick up their ass as well.
also, this game has been going to die since 2009 and it's still going.
so. yeah.

Lolwut

I get it, but just because your brain is too small to do anything besides strafe back and forth on the nigger hill all day doesn't mean we can't play other maps too.

[TPBlinD]

im better than you pooky haha. the majority of people like bloodgulch, deal with it.

[t3h m00kz]

wow rude

[Pooky]

im better than you pooky haha. the majority of people like bloodgulch, deal with it.

pfft, random mexicans on the Modacity servers are better than you

[t3h m00kz]

you get killed by needlers ok

besides bg hill sucks ass. I got some of my best sprees setting up camp in the OS cave!!

[Warsaw]

I jump on top of the bases and rape with the AR, jump down, circle around, run through, get back on top, wash, rinse, repeat. It's a guaranteed way to die, but it's so much fun taking between 6 and 12 guys with you.

:-3

[JackalStomper]

Ghost on top of the base

Endless spawnkilling!

[Cortexian]

jcap enable spawn protection you dink.

[jcap]

I did. On two servers currently to test.

[TheTriforceKid]

I'm curious about something. Would it be possible to get some of the custom maps implemented into the server listings? I mean..this is Halo ~Custom Edition~ after all. I'd ~Love~ to play on some halo 2 maps from time to time, like Zanzibar and Headlong.

What I am realy curious about is why Bungie decided not to go the route of pre-play downloads, like Unreal Tournament and Woflenstein Enemy Territory did. It would make it easier to join custom games because it would download the maps and models for you so that you wouldn't have to search high and low for them.

It woudl also eliminate the problem of getting the ~wrong~ maps, too.

What I was thinking was fidning a set of recommended custom maps to place links to downloads for, so that those who frequent the Modacity servers will all have the same map packs and won't have to deal with the frustration of searching for specific maps from specific designers. There's nothing more painful than finding a map, trying to load in, and finding out you have the wrong version of said map installed.

So, uhh, is there a possibility we could do this?

[jcap]

1. No one plays custom maps. I wish the players knew what the "custom" in "Custom Edition" stands for.

2. Yes it is possible with OS. Nope, it won't happen.

[TheTriforceKid]

Well, I play custom maps..;_;

[Ryx]

I'm curious about something. Would it be possible to get some of the custom maps implemented into the server listings? I mean..this is Halo ~Custom Edition~ after all. I'd ~Love~ to play on some halo 2 maps from time to time, like Zanzibar and Headlong.

Get h2v :trollface:

[TheTriforceKid]

Sooo..you're probably going to laugh your asses off..but a friend of mine joined Demagien and I on one of your servers. We told him not to use a bot because he would get banned...wellll..he did..and because I use his internet connection to play, I got banned, too...How long does this ban usually last? is it permanent? And could I get unbanned? (needless to say, we bitched him out for botting when we told him not to, and now he knows better).

[=sw=warlord]

Bans are handed out on a CD Hash basis.
IE: shouldn't be using bots and got what you deserved.

[jcap]

Unbanned you only because you're a member here, otherwise I'd make no exception. Remember that if he ever gets banned again, you're not getting unbanned.

By the way, in the past two weeks, 290 players have been banned.

[TheTriforceKid]

Thanks, man. I don't bot, though, meng. Trying to tell my buddy Matt he shouldn't be botting..He's semi-retarded...no..seriously...legally mentally retarded.He don't listen very well, likes to talk shit, all that crap. You know, typical 15 year old stuck in a 25 year old's body. Won't listen to nobody for nothin' until he gets caught doin's hit he shouldn't be. We told him not to bot, that he'd end up banned, but, like I said, doesn't listen for shit. Hopefully he learned his lesson, cause I told him that the Canyon CTF server is probably my favorite server because of the map selections, and he sounded like he was pretty sorry that he got the both of us banned for that.

Thanks again, Jcap, It' smuch appreciated..now then..back to the pwnage.

[El Lobo]

Oh ok.