(Movie)Prometheus

[PopeAK49]

Besides the prequel to the thing. This movie will probably be the next most exciting thing for me. It is the prequel to the first alien movie and it is directed by the legendary Ridely Scott. I think it's great that they do not reveal too much in the trailer, but I believe it has a lot to do with the space jockey's and the creation of the alien species.

Trailer 1
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Trailer 2 (NEW)
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Trailer 3
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[Higuy]

It looks amazing.

[Nero]

<3

[Hotrod]

Want.

[DarkHalo003]

Epic.

[Cortexian]

Haha wow, this Aliens/Predator timeline is getting so convoluted.

[PopeAK49]

New trailer just released! Even more epic!

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[Cortexian]

Also, why do they keep straying from the horror genre. This looks more like Avatar than Aliens.

[Amit]

Oh. I saw people raving about this on Reddit, but I didn't understand the hype for a messy trailer. If this truly is the prequel to Alien, it doesn't look like it.

[Zeph]

It was at one point supposed to be a prequel, but as they continued rewriting the script, they changed it. Simply being a prequel really kept the movie from doing much. This is set in an entirely different universe.

[PopeAK49]

Oh. I saw people raving about this on Reddit, but I didn't understand the hype for a messy trailer. If this truly is the prequel to Alien, it doesn't look like it.

I don't know how it is messy. They land on a planet, find something remarkable, and then that remarkable thing turns out to be something that could destroy humanity. I don't believe they will show the alien in this film, but it will give alien fans an idea of how xenomorphs were developed as a weapon for the space jockey's. My prediction is that the space jockey's will use the humans for experiements. Who knows though, Ridely Scott does not like revealing much. The Prometheus trailer is very similar in terms of style to the original alien trailer.

Take a look:
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[DarkHalo003]

Anyone have that spoof 1979 trailer that shows the perspective from the Aliens' side?

[Kornman00]

Prometheus is an Alien prequel...but not. http://www.openminds.tv/ridley-scotts-alien-movie-prometheus-inspired-by-erich-von-daniken-835/

[Warsaw]

Am I the only one who doesn't care for this movie at all?

[PopeAK49]

Am I the only one who doesn't care for this movie at all?

Then why even post? I could give less than two shits about "The my little pony thread" and I'm sure other users don't either, but you don't see me saying "Who gives a fuck about brightly colored ponies??". (Sorry if that offends you MLP fans.)

I just posted this thread because I'm a lover of Sci-fi/horror movies.

I'm not trying to act negative towards you, just stating that you are probably not alone....

[=sw=warlord]

Am I the only one who doesn't care for this movie at all?
I came, I saw, I left again.
trailer looks generic, premise looks typical

[Kornman00]

Then why even post? I could give less than two shits about "The my little pony thread" and I'm sure other users don't either, but you don't see me saying "Who gives a fuck about brightly colored ponies??". (Sorry if that offends you MLP fans.)

I just posted this thread because I'm a lover of Sci-fi/horror movies.
This. Except for the "sorry" bit. All MLP fans can climb inside a sling shot and shoot themselves into the sun.

[PopeAK49]

This. Except for the "sorry" bit. All MLP fans can climb inside a sling shot and shoot themselves into the sun.

Haha!

[Guardian]

https://www.weylandindustries.com/#/main

[Warsaw]

It's another way of asking "why is this movie great?" without actually going into the interrogative, that's why I post.

What do you guys see in this?

[Cortexian]

Am I the only one who doesn't care for this movie at all?
Nah, I'm not more than vaguely interested.


"Who gives a fuck about brightly colored ponies??"
That would be all the quality television watchers of the world. :realsmug:

[PopeAK49]

It's another way of asking "why is this movie great?" without actually going into the interrogative, that's why I post.

What do you guys see in this?

It's been over 25 years since an original scifi-horror movie has been released. That is why I'm excited about this movie.

[TeeKup]

Idk I thought Event Horizon was pretty good. Then again that's more Horror than Sci-Fi.

[PopeAK49]

Idk I thought Event Horizon was pretty good. Then again that's more Horror than Sci-Fi.



That movie is the only exception (Fuck I didn't know it came out in 97!). But the golden age for Sci-fi/Horror was the Late 70's early 80's. I wish I was born during that time.

[TVTyrant]

That would be all the autistic television watchers of the world. :realsmug:
ftfy

[Warsaw]

See, there you go, now I understand the attraction.

Me, I don't really care about genres, I care about something well-crafted and unique. My lack of interest stems from the fact that this is still cookie-cutter consumer-grade science fiction. Avatar was in a similar boat to me; sure, it had a more believable take on tech (still did the LOL GREEBLE EVERYWHERE thing), but the story was pretty generic and bland and the whole movie suffered.

[Kornman00]

It's been over 25 years since an original scifi-horror movie has been released. That is why I'm excited about this movie.
What about Sunshine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_%282007_film%29)? Was more psychological than good-news-everyone!-aliens!, but was still 'horror'. Then there's also Pandorum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandorum), but I'm sure there are people here who will complain about that. So that just leaves us with each of us having our own definition of when that last original sci-fi horror was released. Especially since a certain someone forgot about Event Horizon, tsk tsk tsk...

[PopeAK49]

See, there you go, now I understand the attraction.

Me, I don't really care about genres, I care about something well-crafted and unique. My lack of interest stems from the fact that this is still cookie-cutter consumer-grade science fiction. Avatar was in a similar boat to me; sure, it had a more believable take on tech (still did the LOL GREEBLE EVERYWHERE thing), but the story was pretty generic and bland and the whole movie suffered.

I know what you mean about todays movies. The originality in stories for movies these days are always the same. To me, Avatar was just an alien version of Pocahontas. I have faith in Ridely Scott and I believe he will bring the sci-fi horror genre to life. The way people like or dislike a film cannot be determined until they see it.



What about Sunshine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_(2007_film))? Was more psychological than good-news-everyone!-aliens!, but was still 'horror'. Then there's also Pandorum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandorum), but I'm sure there are people here who will complain about that. So that just leaves us with each of us having our own definition of when that last original sci-fi horror was released. Especially since a certain someone forgot about Event Horizon, tsk tsk tsk...

I was excited about Pandora and saw it on opening night. It was not as good as it could have been. Just a Descent/Event Horizon hybred with no originality.

I realized that I forgot Event Horizon! I corrected myself in the other post!

[Bodzilla]

event horrizon was actualy god tier movie.

where we're going, we wont need eyes to see.
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[TVTyrant]

It had Laurence Fishburne in it

AUTOMATIC GOT TIER FILM!!!

[Cortexian]

GOT TIER.

Anyway, with all this talk about mad movies/television coming out. Have no worries because you'll be able to see Titanic in the Theaters again soon!!!

[Bodzilla]

GOT TIER.

Anyway, with all this talk about mad movies/television coming out. Have no worries because you'll be able to see Titanic in the Theaters again soon!!!
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[Kornman00]

Just think, that shit happened a century ago

Translated into Hollywood: "Just think, we can resell an old movie for millions again!"

[Cortexian]

And then sell a Bluray!!!

[PopeAK49]

This movie is going to be epic. Just watch it be an instant success.

[DarkHalo003]

Yeah can't wait for this, especially since I have not seen a good scifihorror movie in a good while.

[PopeAK49]

They did reveal a parasitic creature in one of the trailers. I have a feeling it ties in with the facehugger.

[RedBaron]

Has anyone gone and seen this yet? I heard it was terribad, but I need to find something to do tonight...

[Higuy]

I heard it was amazing actually, lol. I have not seen it yet either.

[TVTyrant]

It was pretty damn good. Never got jump out of your pants scary but there were some parts that were pretty freaky. The worthless plasma weapons made me laugh though.

[DarkHalo003]

It was AWESOME. Also ending was fucking great. It had me giggling in my seat.

[PopeAK49]

LOL, I forgot about this thread. I saw it opening night at 12:01am.

I was hoping it would be more like the first alien in terms of horror, but it proved that it can separate itself from being too horrific and still be a great film. It did a very good job with connecting itself to alien. They nailed the ending sequence perfectly, one of the best endings I've seen. They have to make a sequel to Prometheus, it did very good in the box office and opened itself to another story for more explanation.

It could have been a little bit better. Some things are a bit off in terms of reality, but overall 8/10. A must see for Sci-Fi and Alien lovers.

[DarkHalo003]

What's with Ridley Scott and inpregnating women via alien lifeforms?

[PopeAK49]

What's with Ridley Scott and inpregnating women via alien lifeforms?

I don't know, but it just seems odd that you can fully walk after having your abdominal muscles sliced during surgery. Sure she showed pain, which was great and all, but it was the only thing that seemed unrealistic. Then again, it is Sci-Fi. Anything is possible in the realm of Sci-Fi.

[TVTyrant]

I don't know, but it just seems odd that you can fully walk after having your abdominal muscles sliced during surgery. Sure she showed pain, which was great and all, but it was the only thing that seemed unrealistic. Then again, it is Sci-Fi. Anything is possible in the realm of Sci-Fi.
abs have almost nothing to do with walking. Running? Never. But someone could walk with bad abdominal damage easily.

[PopeAK49]

abs have almost nothing to do with walking. Running? Never. But someone could walk with bad abdominal damage easily.

Failed at spoiling the spoiler tags?

Have you ever had surgery before? From my experience, even walking was a pain in the ass. Walking, even running, involves your core muscles. Your core muscles allow power and motion to travel from your lower body to your upper body. I had my spleen and gal bladder removed with the same incision. When they made me walk every morning, it was the worse pain. I could only walk as fast as a zombie.

Please, enlighten me with your experience of having your stomach cut open. :realsmug:

[TVTyrant]

Failed at spoiling the spoiler tags?

Have you ever had surgery before? From my experience, even walking was a pain in the ass. Walking, even running, involves your core muscles. Your core muscles allow power and motion to travel from your lower body to your upper body. I had my spleen and gal bladder removed with the same incision. When they made me walk every morning, it was the worse pain. I could only walk as fast as a zombie.

Please, enlighten me with your experience of having your stomach cut open. :realsmug:
Honestly, I have none. But my grandfather had hernia surgery (was a HUGE hernia) and he was up and walking same day

[DarkHalo003]

She consistently had like super pain pills.

[PopeAK49]

She consistently had like super pain pills.

Good point. Forgot about those, but it still seems off. Maybe its my amazement of how the technology is so superior. So unless you have some kind of super ultra pain pills like in Prometheus, you should be able to walk/run with some slight random pain. But still, you are going to have severe mobility issues without some kind of super pain killer. I had my abdominals torn and played with just to remove my spleen.

Also, I think it depends where the incision was TVTyrant. Do you know the exact location that was cut?

[TVTyrant]

Good point. Forgot about those, but it still seems off. Maybe its my amazement of how the technology is so superior. So unless you have some kind of super ultra pain pills like in Prometheus, you should be able to walk/run with some slight random pain. But still, you are going to have severe mobility issues without some kind of super pain killer. I had my abdominals torn and played with just to remove my spleen.

Also, I think it depends where the incision was TVTyrant. Do you know the exact location that was cut?
nope and I don't particularly care. Willing suspension of disbelief man.

[Amit]

ENOUGH FUCKIGN SPILLERSS DS!

[Siliconmaster]

Had a 3 hour discussion with a fellow film major about all the plot holes in this movie. Had great ideas, was certainly epic in IMAX 3D, but dear lord that script o_0 I don't have the time or energy to retype a whole rant on the subject, but I can do quick bullet points:



If the planet at the beginning is supposed to look like Earth, then make it look like Earth! If it's the same planet they end up on, then why do we care and what purpose is the beginning?
Black goop: Are its effects random? If so, then why the hell is there an Alien on the wall mural? If it isn't random, then how can you explain the impregnation thing? Are we literally seeing the mutation of a giant sperm? In addition, is the xenomorph at the end a random result of that combination of hosts? Or does it look unusual because of the random series of hosts? Is the xenomorph itself the usual end result of the black goop?
David. If he is trying to become more human, that plotline quickly falls away. If he is merely following Weyland's orders, which would explain his increasingly frantic attempts to find a cure for the old man's aging, then why would he lead them to the proto-human in stasis, when it seems highly likely by that point he recognizes that it isn't friendly? He seems utterly smug when Weyland is dying, even though his move cost him his own head. At the end, this means we are either stuck with a traumatized human and a randomly psychotic robot, or a traumatized human and a robot who doesn't give a shit about anything. Either way, doesn't bode well for sequels.
IF WEYLAND SPENT THIS MUCH MONEY ON THE EXPEDITION WHY IS THE ENTIRE TEAM MADE UP OF TOTAL RETARDS. They're not space truck drivers, like Alien, they're not dumb marines, like Aliens, they're HIGHLY SPECIALIZED PEOPLE. GAH.
Plot devices:

Dust storm
Husband randomly deciding to commit suicide via burning
Related to the above: Charlize Theron's cold hearted burning, then immediate look of horror and regret. Seriously, what's going on here.
Want to get laid? Sure! Only there to get the captain out of the bridge. WHY IS HE THE ONLY ONE ON THE BRIDGE.
GIANT ROLLING WHEEL OF DOOM. God this one annoys me, not so much for the rolling part, but for the fact that it's merely there to get rid of Charlize Theron's character, since apparently she's too stupid to run 4 feet to the right or left. There could have been a great climax dealing with the two of them stuck on the planet.

Why would Weyland name the ship Prometheus, when the original myth ended in Prometheus getting eaten by a giant bird for all eternity? That's just bad decision making.
The surgical unit only being made for men. If so, why is it in Charlize Theron's quarters? If it's actually Weyland's quarters, and Charlize Theron is gleefully stealing it while he's asleep, then why does David, who has no reason to care, specifically say that it is her quarters at the beginning?
How the hell did the main character get back into the ship at the end, if she has to rapel herself and David out of the ship entrance 5 feet above the ground?
Let's commit suicide by crashing the ship, k? Alright, let's do it! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Totally lost the opportunity for an epic monster fight between the proto-human and the giant facehugger, instead gave us a quick losing battle. Throw in Charlize Theron's character instead of having her get squished, and it could have been epic.
Instead of warning Earth about this shit, the main character goes to "ask them why". You just got owned by ONE DUDE. And you're going to their planet. Better drop all that black goop when you get there as revenge, or I will be disappointed.
If this is supposed to be a standalone that takes place in the same universe as the ALien movies, but isn't a prequel, then there is waaaaay too much Alien stuff in it. Would have been far better without the alien on the mural and without the xenomorph at the end.
If it IS an Alien prequel, then MAKE IT A PREQUEL DAMMIT. Literally nothing lines up. This is a different planet/moon than in Alien, the control room in the ship has dead people in it, the proto-human doesn't make it back to the control room for the Alien to burst out of its chest, which the original movie suggested had happened. And the xenomorph has no way to get off the planet. It is literally a total dead end, and doesn't set up ANYTHING about the first movie.
I know the original script was a straight up Alien prequel, facehuggers, chest bursting, the whole nine yards, but Damon Lindelof came in and suggested they make it more vague. I like that idea, I really do. This movie had some great ideas. But it feels as if there are often multiple character motivations, switching back and forth between two separate scripts that have been meshed together. There are so many plot holes and plot devices that it feels bizarre the longer you think about it. I really, really wanted to like this movie, but after seeing it two times I'm going to have to say it's pretty dreadful. Worth seeing in IMAX 3D? Paradoxically yes. But an actual good movie? Not so much.

[Sanctus]

I'm not sure about the rest but the main character used a different ship in the end. Either she or David stated that there were numerous other ships in the area, so considering how the first one was buried I can easily see them flying it

[Siliconmaster]

Yeah, I got that, but she goes into the crashed ship to get David, and then you see her rappelling down to the parked vehicle. Which means first of all that's where she parked when she got there, and I don't see an entrance at all on ground level. Second of all, there is no way she should be able to do that in her physical condition. It just doesn't add up. How did she get inside at all?

[DarkHalo003]

The ending with the Xenomorph and chest-burster was still boss.

[TVTyrant]

I just want to know why the Predators made the Proto-Humans in the first place

[Siliconmaster]

The ending with the Xenomorph and chest-burster was still boss.

It was indeed cool, but since it literally can have no impact on anything other than that one scene, it makes no sense at all and ends up being fairly useless. That's the part that bugs the crap out of me.


I just want to know why the Predators made the Proto-Humans in the first place
Aside from the fact that your post must be trolling, I have to point out that Ridley Scott hates anything after Aliens. Which also makes no sense because he used elements similar to those movies in Prometheus. Total nonsensical clusterfuck all around.

[TVTyrant]

Aside from the fact that your post must be trolling, I have to point out that Ridley Scott hates anything after Aliens. Which also makes no sense because he used elements similar to those movies in Prometheus. Total nonsensical clusterfuck all around.
Not trolling. Just my own theory which I chose to state as fact

[PopeAK49]

Either way, people either liked or disliked this movie which is fine for those who think outside of the box. Sci-fi always leaves us in a mystery.

[Siliconmaster]

Not trolling. Just my own theory which I chose to state as fact
Haha fair enough. Personally, while AvP1 was entertaining, I don't actually treat the Predators as being in the same universe as the original Alien movies. Perhaps in their own AvP universe, but not the originals.

And normally I'd agree that mystery in sci-fi is good, but mystery=!bad writing

[DarkHalo003]

Aliens are still cool shit.

[PopeAK49]

Haha fair enough. Personally, while AvP1 was entertaining, I don't actually treat the Predators as being in the same universe as the original Alien movies. Perhaps in their own AvP universe, but not the originals.

And normally I'd agree that mystery in sci-fi is good, but mystery=!bad writing

Films not pertaining to hard, cold, scientific facts is the way I rate a movie as original and good or not. But that is just me as a movie lover. This movie was good but not great, it could have been great but it's for some of the same reasons that you pointed out. The same can be said for The Thing prequel. Both movies did not live up 100% of the expectations, maybe 65%. It seems that resurrecting the great sci-fi *horror* genre is becoming harder than usual because of the expectations of competing against the masterpieces back in the old days.

[Gwunty]

Had a 3 hour discussion with a fellow film major about all the plot holes in this movie. Had great ideas, was certainly epic in IMAX 3D, but dear lord that script o_0 I don't have the time or energy to retype a whole rant on the subject, but I can do quick bullet points:



If the planet at the beginning is supposed to look like Earth, then make it look like Earth! If it's the same planet they end up on, then why do we care and what purpose is the beginning?

The planet is not earth, the purpose of this scene was to demonstrate how the Engineers would seed life, to demonstrate that the Engineers at least to some extent believe that life is sacred and requires sacrifice.


Black goop: Are its effects random? If so, then why the hell is there an Alien on the wall mural? If it isn't random, then how can you explain the impregnation thing? Are we literally seeing the mutation of a giant sperm? In addition, is the xenomorph at the end a random result of that combination of hosts? Or does it look unusual because of the random series of hosts? Is the xenomorph itself the usual end result of the black goop?

The effects of the black goo are not random, they are determined by the mindset of the individual, this is demonstrated by the fact that the instant humans step into the chamber with the head, the jars appear to begin changing, which is noted by the Shaw saying "we have altered the atmosphere in the room".


David. If he is trying to become more human, that plotline quickly falls away. If he is merely following Weyland's orders, which would explain his increasingly frantic attempts to find a cure for the old man's aging, then why would he lead them to the proto-human in stasis, when it seems highly likely by that point he recognizes that it isn't friendly? He seems utterly smug when Weyland is dying, even though his move cost him his own head. At the end, this means we are either stuck with a traumatized human and a randomly psychotic robot, or a traumatized human and a robot who doesn't give a shit about anything. Either way, doesn't bode well for sequels.

David is not attempting to become more human, he has a sort of contempt for humanity, this is demonstrated by him responding when asked the question "they are making you guys pretty close" where he then states "not too close I hope". He is in no way attempting to cure the old man, he wants him dead, he says so himself. At this point David probably understands more about the facility than the rest of the crew and decides to keep this information to himself. I could into detail as too why the Engineer acted so hostile, but I see no need.


IF WEYLAND SPENT THIS MUCH MONEY ON THE EXPEDITION WHY IS THE ENTIRE TEAM MADE UP OF TOTAL RETARDS. They're not space truck drivers, like Alien, they're not dumb marines, like Aliens, they're HIGHLY SPECIALIZED PEOPLE. GAH.

Two people acting irrationally after seeing a DEAD 8 FOOT TALL SPACE ALIEN THAT WAS DECAPITATED, does not mean the entire crew was "retarded"


Plot devices:

Dust storm
Husband randomly deciding to commit suicide via burning

He understood his condition could have harmed the rest of the crew.


Related to the above: Charlize Theron's cold hearted burning, then immediate look of horror and regret. Seriously, what's going on here.

Seriously?


Want to get laid? Sure! Only there to get the captain out of the bridge. WHY IS HE THE ONLY ONE ON THE BRIDGE.

It's fucking late.

Why would Weyland name the ship Prometheus, when the original myth ended in Prometheus getting eaten by a giant bird for all eternity? That's just bad decision making.

Nigger you best be joking, if you can't figure this one out by your own, then I feel very very sad for you.


The surgical unit only being made for men. If so, why is it in Charlize Theron's quarters? If it's actually Weyland's quarters, and Charlize Theron is gleefully stealing it while he's asleep, then why does David, who has no reason to care, specifically say that it is her quarters at the beginning?

BECAUSE NOBODY IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT WAYLAND IS ON THE SHIP.


How the hell did the main character get back into the ship at the end, if she has to rapel herself and David out of the ship entrance 5 feet above the ground?

She's a fucking space scientist, I"m sure she can find a way to get on a ship.


Instead of warning Earth about this shit, the main character goes to "ask them why". You just got owned by ONE DUDE. And you're going to their planet. Better drop all that black goop when you get there as revenge, or I will be disappointed.

You're joking.


If this is supposed to be a standalone that takes place in the same universe as the ALien movies, but isn't a prequel, then there is waaaaay too much Alien stuff in it. Would have been far better without the alien on the mural and without the xenomorph at the end.

> opinions


Responses in black.

[Siliconmaster]

If the planet at the beginning is supposed to look like Earth, then make it look like Earth! If it's the same planet they end up on, then why do we care and what purpose is the beginning?

The planet is not earth, the purpose of this scene was to demonstrate how the Engineers would seed life, to demonstrate that the Engineers at least to some extent believe that life is sacred and requires sacrifice.

The only times they ever mention the Engineers creating anyone, it's humans. So why show them creating something else? I agree it's an interesting way to introduce the concept, but its context is so strange that it's hard to understand.

Black goop: Are its effects random? If so, then why the hell is there an Alien on the wall mural? If it isn't random, then how can you explain the impregnation thing? Are we literally seeing the mutation of a giant sperm? In addition, is the xenomorph at the end a random result of that combination of hosts? Or does it look unusual because of the random series of hosts? Is the xenomorph itself the usual end result of the black goop?

The effects of the black goo are not random, they are determined by the mindset of the individual, this is demonstrated by the fact that the instant humans step into the chamber with the head, the jars appear to begin changing, which is noted by the Shaw saying "we have altered the atmosphere in the room".

The mindset? You're saying that if someone thinks they're scared, it will differ in result? The earthworms were pretty nonemotional, and they became worms of death. As for the atmosphere part, that's all it is, they introduced new elements into the room, which caused the various surfaces to react.



Also of note in this room is the fact that an entire group of aliens ran in, one got decapitated, the inside was perfectly preserve, and the other bodies are nowhere to be found.


David. If he is trying to become more human, that plotline quickly falls away. If he is merely following Weyland's orders, which would explain his increasingly frantic attempts to find a cure for the old man's aging, then why would he lead them to the proto-human in stasis, when it seems highly likely by that point he recognizes that it isn't friendly? He seems utterly smug when Weyland is dying, even though his move cost him his own head. At the end, this means we are either stuck with a traumatized human and a randomly psychotic robot, or a traumatized human and a robot who doesn't give a shit about anything. Either way, doesn't bode well for sequels.

David is not attempting to become more human, he has a sort of contempt for humanity, this is demonstrated by him responding when asked the question "they are making you guys pretty close" where he then states "not too close I hope". He is in no way attempting to cure the old man, he wants him dead, he says so himself. At this point David probably understands more about the facility than the rest of the crew and decides to keep this information to himself. I could into detail as too why the Engineer acted so hostile, but I see no need.

​Your points are very valid, but the problem is that the movie has a second set of motivations that appear to directly contrast the ones you just pointed out, a prime example of why I feel we're seeing two scripts combined into one. The entire first segment of the movie shows David not only living on the ship and cleaning such as a robot would, but he also watches movies, combs his hair similarly to a character in a movie, and even quotes from the movie throughout Prometheus. If he truly does not like humanity, why even partake in any of that? Why not distance himself as far as possible? And if he wants his creator to die, all he has to do is not follow his instructions. Instead, when Weyland tells David to "try harder", David goes so far as to poison the archaeologist to see what the black goop does. He even speaks of "doing what must be done" to achieve a goal. Is he speaking of being forced to follow directions, or of wanting to save his creator? I really like his character, but I cannot reconcile these motivational differences.

IF WEYLAND SPENT THIS MUCH MONEY ON THE EXPEDITION WHY IS THE ENTIRE TEAM MADE UP OF TOTAL RETARDS. They're not space truck drivers, like Alien, they're not dumb marines, like Aliens, they're HIGHLY SPECIALIZED PEOPLE. GAH.

Two people acting irrationally after seeing a DEAD 8 FOOT TALL SPACE ALIEN THAT WAS DECAPITATED, does not mean the entire crew was "retarded"
That part I'm alright with. But directly thereafter, they have a giant hologram tracking system on the bridge, and somehow they don't notice the two guys getting lost. Two giant yellow dots, how can you not see that. In addition, everyone seems to lack any sort of reaction with stuff. The main character jumps after a head, almost gets herself killed, only one short rebuke and that's it. David repeatedly disobeys orders, nobody even comments on it. Even after the whole surgery sequence, she stumbles into the room with Weyland being tended to, and barely anybody blinks an eye, let alone wonders what happened to the thing that was inside her a short bit ago, or the people she knocked out to escape, or the fact she blatantly broke quarantine. I suppose they just had other things to worry about, like Weyland, but it still seems rather odd.


Plot devices:

Dust storm
Husband randomly deciding to commit suicide via burning

He understood his condition could have harmed the rest of the crew.


Related to the above: Charlize Theron's cold hearted burning, then immediate look of horror and regret. Seriously, what's going on here.

Seriously?
Yeah fine, this one was a bit harsh, but the entire sequence just seems strangely instantaneous. The space worms were the only dangerous thing they had found yet, and they brought a head with black goop dripping out of it on board, so why not the dude who needs medical attention? If there had been more of a leadup, rather than a sudden "YOU WILL DIE IF YOU COME ON MY SHIP", I would have been more ok with it.


Want to get laid? Sure! Only there to get the captain out of the bridge. WHY IS HE THE ONLY ONE ON THE BRIDGE.

It's fucking late.
Crack. Team. Alien. Planet. The captain is only a captain, he says so himself, so who is supposed to be monitoring the actual surveillance systems? There are a lot of people on the ship, not everyone has to be sleeping. The captain even ignores the guys when they point their cameras at the pile of dead bodies.



Why would Weyland name the ship Prometheus, when the original myth ended in Prometheus getting eaten by a giant bird for all eternity? That's just bad decision making.

Nigger you best be joking, if you can't figure this one out by your own, then I feel very very sad for you.
It's one thing to like the whole "bring fire to humanity" metaphor. But picking a myth that ends that disastrously seems like you're just asking for things to go badly.


The surgical unit only being made for men. If so, why is it in Charlize Theron's quarters? If it's actually Weyland's quarters, and Charlize Theron is gleefully stealing it while he's asleep, then why does David, who has no reason to care, specifically say that it is her quarters at the beginning?

BECAUSE NOBODY IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT WAYLAND IS ON THE SHIP.
I suppose, still feels weird to me though.


How the hell did the main character get back into the ship at the end, if she has to rapel herself and David out of the ship entrance 5 feet above the ground?

She's a fucking space scientist, I"m sure she can find a way to get on a ship.
Could there be an entrance somewhere else? Sure. But she has a giant incision in her stomach. She therefore would want to walk as little as possible. So why is her car parked there, and not near the original entrance? Did she wander all around the ship looking for an opening? It's just weird, like a lot of stuff in the movie. Once again, I like the ideas, but the implementation is bizarre.


Instead of warning Earth about this shit, the main character goes to "ask them why". You just got owned by ONE DUDE. And you're going to their planet. Better drop all that black goop when you get there as revenge, or I will be disappointed.

You're joking.
I'm not saying she should bring the black shit back to Earth, obviously that's retarded. But you could at least warn them that there's at least one hostile alien species out there, which apparently PLANNED TO DESTROY EARTH. Oh, and a note on that part: Damon Lindelof has said that the characters might have that entire story wrong, the Engineers might not have meant it as a bioweapon at all. You can't do that. If you want ambiguity, insert some dammit, don't have every single character agree that it's a bioweapon, including the robot, who apparently knows everything about the species and which button to press without even trying.



And on that note as well, once, just once I would have liked to see David hit the wrong button, instead of hitting the exact buttons that move the plot forward the exact moment it needs to. That's not David being smart, that's David being a plot device. The wall writing panels I'm ok with, but specifically the white egg controls in the control room. Before the holograms even show up, he hits the perfect combination of controls to start the whole lightshow.


If this is supposed to be a standalone that takes place in the same universe as the ALien movies, but isn't a prequel, then there is waaaaay too much Alien stuff in it. Would have been far better without the alien on the mural and without the xenomorph at the end.

> opinions
Opinions that may be, but my last point still stands: if you're going to make an alien prequel, or even have xenomorphs in it at all, it better make sense and actually provide something for the plotline, which this doesn't at all. There is no way that the alien on that one planet, which somehow manifested itself out of the random dna combination of black goop-->human-->sperm? (not egg, because she couldn't have kids, which was a plot hole they added in themselves and could have easily prevented)-->giant facehugger-->Engineer, is still STUCK ON THE PLANET. So it can't possibly have gotten any eggs onto the ship they find in the first movie, which pretty much defeats the purpose of a prequel.



Answers in green

[Pooky]

Why would you put your initial conversation into a spoiler then put that behemoth right out in the open

[Siliconmaster]

Because I'm an idiot, fixed.

[MXC]

-x1YuvUQFJ0
Explain that shit. Especially the navigators getting lost and the two ladies RUNNING AWAY IN A STRAIGHT LINE.

[Siliconmaster]

-x1YuvUQFJ0
Explain that shit. Especially the navigators getting lost and the two ladies RUNNING AWAY IN A STRAIGHT LINE.

Thank you lol. Everything in that video, with the exception of maybe the "why did they want to destroy us" questions, those are good vague sci fi questions, rather than bad writing.

[RedBaron]

So I saw Aliens (the second movie in the series) for the first time not too long ago. And I've come to the conclusion that every single sci-fi, soldiers vs. aliens related movie/game to date owes its existence to this movie. Hell, even the marines from Halo look almost identical to the marines in Aliens, right down to their helmets with the single eye screen thingy.

[DarkHalo003]

Yeah, Alien began the staple of how Humanity looks in the future, reacts to alien life forms, and how those aliens react to humanity. My brother is always annoying me about this. Regardless, Halo really only took the Humanity aspect of the Alien series. StarCraft and Warhammer remind me soooo much of Alien, especially Terrans and Hydras.

[Siliconmaster]

Yeah, Halo in particular riffs a lot on the Human-style stuff from Alien and Aliens. Sergeant Johnson from H1 is almost exactly the same character as Sergeant Alpone. When Avatar came out a lot of people were griping that James Cameron was stealing from Halo with the flying craft, and he responded saying that it was the other way around, which I agree with. The ideas are different enough that it can all coexist as friendly imitation.

[DarkHalo003]

Yeah, Halo in particular riffs a lot on the Human-style stuff from Alien and Aliens. Sergeant Johnson from H1 is almost exactly the same character as Sergeant Alpone. When Avatar came out a lot of people were griping that James Cameron was stealing from Halo with the flying craft, and he responded saying that it was the other way around, which I agree with. The ideas are different enough that it can all coexist as friendly imitation.
Yeah my brother made that same snarky comment at me because the aircraft looked like Halo and I told him I didn't like it, so he said it was just because it was imitating Halo. Haha no. I didn't like Avatar because of that at all (honestly I didn't even care), but because it really had a shit ton of cliches and the only imagination involved the environments/technology. The plot was Space Pocahontas, but with guns and shit. The aircraft is also a VTOL, which is in a LOT more things than Avatar and Halo.

On topic, I remember seeing on TV that the guy who played the Cyborg completely refuted and denounced the idea that it was a prequel of any kind, that it only had similarities. Thoughts?

[Siliconmaster]

Uh, you can't say it wasn't a prequel, it was one, just a bad one lol.

[thehoodedsmack]

That's like saying Episode I wasn't a prequel because Han Solo wasn't in it.

[DarkHalo003]

That's like saying Episode I wasn't a prequel because Han Solo wasn't in it.
I lol'd. It's also a valid, if not reversed, comparison (instead of someone NOT being in it, something was in it that promoted the concept of a prequel).

[RedBaron]

Finally went and saw this today and I enjoyed it quite a bit. I honestly don't know why I heard so many negative things about the plot. I only came up with two plot holes.

First is the question as to why the Earth hieroglyphs, which were created before the Engineers became hostile towards humanity, point towards this "weapon world" and not the Engineer homeworld. Second is why David poisoned the doctor without much of a thought. I would understand if David's main objective was to observe and study the bioweapon, much like the android from the original Alien. But this wasn't his objective. His objective was to ensure that Weyland met a living Engineer. These were just things that didn't make sense to me, and are kind of moot when you only consider the more immediate plot of the movie.

Besides that, I am kind of glad that Predators were in no way linked to this movie. The Alien-Predator cross over franchise is not exactly canon, and even Ridley Scott and James Cameron are apprehensive with the idea. I think Ridley Scott refuses to watch the AvP movie to this date.

[PopeAK49]

I lol'd

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/internet-memes-dumbass-engineer-from-prometheus.jpg

[Higuy]

Saw this movie, unfortunately due to work and other things, I wasn't able to see it in the theaters though. Overall, I was impressed of how much it felt like an old sci-fi horror, just like Ridely Scott always was so good at making. It was a good movie, minus some minor details.