Microwave-goodbye weapon: 'Heat ray' crowd dispersal cannon unveiled

[Matooba]

Apparently we can just microwave people away now! Can I get this in watch size?
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Read More & Video here:
http://rt.com/news/weapon-us-microwave-cannon-363/

[neuro]

cancer cancer cancer cancer

[Cortexian]

They started with sound emitters, now heat guns, what next??

[EX12693]

Asbestos gas! The symptoms have a median latency of 44.6 years, so if you're 30 or older, you're laughing. Worst case scenario, you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator and it makes a happy face.

But this quote from the article worries me.
the weapon has been tested on more than 11,000 people, and in just two of those cases, it caused second-degree burns.So second degree burns in nearly 1 of 5000 times it's used? Ummm....
And that's when it's used properly in testing (Which is a 2 second burst). What would happen if someone using it got trigger happy?

[Matooba]

I was thinking "bring microwave dinners"

[Cortexian]

What would happen if someone using it got trigger happy?
I'm sure that being a crowd-control device it would have some kind of fail-safes that can't be easily disabled. I know the sonic things do.

[JackalStomper]

This is illegal! I demand my right to hurt and break and loot things! POLICE STATE etc etc


cancer cancer cancer cancer

[Cortexian]

This is illegal!
You know what's REALLY cool? How it's actually illegal to use CS/tear gas in war, but it can be used on citizens.

Why? Because it would be classed as "chemical warfare" and all the good nations agreed that we should stop that, after witnessing some peoples skin melt off and stuff.

[Warsaw]

We still use white phosphorus, hollow-point bullets, and .50s on infantry, all of which are technically illegal in war.

[Cortexian]

Are you refering to tracers?

Also, I don't understand the limitations on calibers/firearms. There are so many other things out there that could happen to infantry that it should really be irrelevant. Ex: Infantry triggering a mine or IED, or getting hit by shrapnel from other explosives can be even more damaging then hollow-points and .50's.

[TVTyrant]

I'll never understand while hollow points are illegal.

Way more humane than FMJ in that it will kill you 90% if the time with a torso hit, very quickly too.

FMJ and you will just bleed out or die from severely punctured lungs. Hollow points will shred everything and debilitate you quickly, making you dead much faster.

[Warsaw]

No, I'm referring to Willie Pete hand grenades which you can bet your buttons are used for more than just smoke signals; there are also those fuel-air bombs we use to clear bridges of infantry and maintain the integrity of the bridge.


The limitations on calibers is because a .50 will take off your leg and "needlessly maim" the target. The official word of war is that the idea is to incapacitate the enemy, not necessarily kill. Obviously, the reality is much different. Killing the enemy reduces his overall ability to fight a war, while merely incapacitating just prevents him from fighting a battle. In the short run, incapacitating is fine, but if you're in a war for the long haul, you want to make the enemy die for his country so his country loses stomach and capability.

[TVTyrant]

Or for his warring faction or religion

Depends on the conflict lol

[Cortexian]

My point isn't in ethics, in practicality. All those things I mentioned will take limbs just as easily or easier than a .50 will.

Heck, it's not illegal/bad to use 120mm tank shells against infantry in a fortified position. I just don't see how getting hit with a .50 could be worse than getting hit by a 120mm (probably AP instead of HE as well since NA tank munitions are mostly AP).

[Warsaw]

There, you're technically using it against a hardened target, not infantry. You can't ignore the ethics discussion when talking about Geneva Convention restrictions, etc.

[samnwck]

Restrictions on war is how we get tied into bullshit for such long periods of time without actually getting much done. You want to win, you fight dirty. War is war and it will never be anything but that. You know all the countries that didn't sign the Geneva convention, I'm sure they won't be following any kind of restriction. I once heard about a WWII general(I believe, could be a different time period) who got caught up in fighting with Muslim locals so he started giving orders to pour pigs blood into the mouths of the dying men that had resisted (Muslims) and what do you know within a few days all aggression had ceased, for those that don't know if you consume any part of a pig in Islam you will not get your 72(?) virgins, and basically you won't get into 'heaven'. But now I'm sure if such a tactic was used it would be highly unethical. While I don't agree with using nuclear or chemical warfare, at the end of the day you're fighting a war, and if you're not there to win then you've already lost.

[=sw=warlord]

So you condone killing civilians in war?
Because that's what's making things get dragged out, insurgents dressing up as civilians.

[Ryx]

From what I got from it, fat people will hurt most, and they will be the slowest to get away D:

But seriously. Increased exposure to microwaves cause cancer, and this is much more concentrated. Going to a few protests and getting zapped is almost a death sentence with this thing.

[Matooba]

Found the Q&A on this thing http://jnlwp.defense.gov/pressroom/faq_p2.html

There response to the cancer question:
Q15. Does the Active Denial System cause cancer or affect fertility?
A15. No. Detailed human effects research has been conducted. We have done testing to determine whether or not short-term and repeated exposure to this millimeter-wave energy may cause cancer. The results show that there is no risk of cancer for either the system operator or the targeted individual. We are very confident in this, and the independent review boards agree. A detailed report of the study appears in the peer review journal, Carcinogenesis (2001) 22: 1701-1708. Similar studies regarding fertility have recently been completed. Because the energy reaches a depth of only about 1/64th of an inch, the energy cannot affect reproductive organs. Experimental results showed no detrimental effects.

[DarkHalo003]

Still waiting for a Hadron (Wave-Motion) Cannon to appear. Then we're all fucked.

[TVTyrant]

Killing civs is v not cool. Really a not okay thing to do on purpose. On accident, it sucks but thats war. I watched a movie about Afghanistan (documentary) where these guys were holed up in a house firing rounds at US soldiers. So they called an air strike. The airstrike killed 6 combatants, but also three little kids who were in the house for some reason. Insurgency is a costly battle unless your enemy is without conscience (which the US has). Its no fun for anyone, and leads to situations like we have right now where we can't get anything right because the people there dont want us there, and the insurgents arent wanted either but at least theyre family etc.

[Cortexian]

three little kids who were in the house for some reason
Insurgents have families to, it was probably their children in the house that weren't allowed to leave because "daddy said the bad men would shoot us and that it was safest to stay with them until daddy couldn't save us anymore".

[TVTyrant]

Insurgents have families to, it was probably their children in the house that weren't allowed to leave because "daddy said the bad men would shoot us and that it was safest to stay with them until daddy couldn't save us anymore".
Idiocy is what it is. Also, I just found out about F12 key lol.

[Warsaw]

As cynical as this sounds, it was probably a good thing they got hit because they would have likely grown up vengeful and ignorant, following in the footsteps of good ol' dad and becoming insurgents themselves.

[neuro]

what the fuck happened to this thread?

AMERICANS!

[TVTyrant]

what the fuck happened to this thread?

AMERICANS!
Half the people talking in here are Canadian. Use your brain.

[=sw=warlord]

Half the people talking in here are Canadian. Use your brain.
North American continent.

[Cortexian]

"Americans" is a term used to describe citizens of the U.S.A. and not all North Americans.

:eng101:

[=sw=warlord]

"Americans" is a term used to describe citizens of the U.S.A. and not all North Americans.

:eng101:
I wouldn't be bitching unless you want to stop grouping everyone living in Europe Europeans.

[Cortexian]

I do that already, you all have the same terrible ping!

:downs:

[Patrickssj6]

Mexicans call themselves Americans.

[Cortexian]

What? None of the ones I know do, they refer to "Americans" as U.S.A. citizens.

You're probably talking to wannabe Americans.

[TeeKup]

I wouldn't be bitching unless you want to stop grouping everyone living in Europe Europeans.

I actively call you English. I know that much. Neuro is French...I think.

[TVTyrant]

English and Brits are different from Europeans and the dreaded Eurofags

[Patrickssj6]

What? None of the ones I know do, they refer to "Americans" as U.S.A. citizens.

You're probably talking to wannabe Americans.

I said Mexicans refer to themselves as "Americans". They call US citizens Americans as well...because obviously the continent is called like that xD

I lived 8 months in Mexico and none of them ever want to cross the border nor do they even like the gringos so no...no wannabe Americans. Historically and Geographically they have the full right of calling themselves as "Americans". Seems just weird though because every other country on earth I believe refers only to US citizen as "Americans".

[TVTyrant]

I said Mexicans refer to themselves as "Americans". They call US citizens Americans as well...because obviously the continent is called like that xD

I lived 8 months in Mexico and none of them ever want to cross the border nor do they even like the gringos so no...no wannabe Americans. Historically and Geographically they have the full right of calling themselves as "Americans". Seems just weird though because every other country on earth I believe refers only to US citizen as "Americans".
I have met lots of Mexicans who are proud that they came to the US

I also have only had good experience with ADULT Mexicans

Good, hard working people who love their drink just like my own ancestors.

[neuro]

I actively call you English. I know that much. Neuro is French...I think.

dafuq?

i'm dutch.

i just happen to travel across europe for work because i can.
Ubisoft happened to be in france.

by that logic, i'm Italian now for living in Rome :P

[=sw=warlord]

I actively call you English. I know that much.
You have a few times been lazy and just called me British which tends to be mixing me with the likes of Welsh and Scottish.

[Warsaw]

Except unlike Mexico, Canada, and America, England and Wales and Scotland and Northern Ireland are all under one nation-state as of the present time (maybe not for long with Scotland). Complaining about being called British instead of English would be like me complaining about being called American over Virginian (or Floridian, though I don't identify as much with my birth-state).

I mean, yes, officially Wales, England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are each considered countries. Unofficially, they are more like analogues to states in the USA. The fact that they are referred to as countries has done nothing but foment a more localized form of nationalism. Nationalism is bad.