2012 Presidency (USA)

[t3h m00kz]

your face is political

[Rainbow Dash]

you know, to all you fuckwits 'but you like ponies LOOL' is an argument a 5-year old would use, and on top of that, it's not even an argument.

you're just being fucking retards.

also i vote re-ban emzee.

^^^
holy fuck, thank you.

[Rainbow Dash]

good luck persuading even impoverished minorities to take up arms, let alone the fucking white middle class. they will readily admit the system is fucked, but get this: they care more about living in a reasonably stable, 'secure', and passably comfortable society than they are willing to actually weather a little harshness to build a better one.

the only way you will push people over the edge is to prove that security and comfort no longer actually exists, as history has proven time and time again. we either wait for the government to eventually overstep that invisible threshold, or we start looking for either another way, or some means of speeding up the process.


yeah pretty much, eventually there's a tipping point, and hopefully we reach it before things get too fucked up.

[neuro]

What? WHAT WAS THAT? Sorry I must have misheard, I thought I heard a giant faggot mouthing off at me with something he sure as fuck could never back up, but it must have just been my imagination. Because after I imagined hearing that, I proceeded to imagine how good it would feel to break that persons fucking spinal cord over my knee. I imagined how my next step is usually to rip out one of the persons fucking ribs and jab it straight through their nose into their brain cavity. I imagined pulling that rib back out, and then brainfucking that dead faggot through the new massive hole in his face I created.

But I didn't really hear anything, right? no one would be fucking dumb enough to talk to me like that on here.

lol.

get lost nigger :)

on here? on the interent you mean?
come at me bro

[Rainbow Dash]

But I didn't really hear anything, right? no one would be fucking dumb enough to talk to me like that on here.

Nope, you heard right, believe it not, not everyone is amused with your ability to post in threads and contribute literally nothing of value to the topic or discussion.

[PopeAK49]

LOL my post got removed for saying "Typical". I didn't know this forum was so one sided for certain people.

[Patrickssj6]

LOL my post got removed for saying "Typical". I didn't know this forum was so one sided for certain people.
Nope.avi (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?24739-2012-Presidency-%28USA%29&p=632766&viewfull=1#post632766)

[TVTyrant]

:gtfo: of America with that shit
/sarcasm dawg

[TVTyrant]

Nope, you heard right, believe it not, not everyone is amused with your ability to post in threads and contribute literally nothing of value to the topic or discussion.
IDK, it's kind of funny when its not happening to me.

[Kornman00]

/sarcasm dawg
:gtfo: of the internet with that shit

[Bobblehob]

:lmao: Keep it up guys

[DarkHalo003]

http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Shh-No-Tears-Only-Dreams-Now-Rustled-.png

[Emmzee]

lol.

get lost nigger :)

on here? on the interent you mean?
come at me bro
Do you have any idea of what a war is? I mean for one single solitary second have you just thought what the world around you would be like in a total war? I ask you this : Is it war you love, the combat you hate?

You're no better than the rich men who just watch the world burn in war. You don't want to be in the trenches with bullets whizzing over your head, you don't want to be in the meadow at dawn with the sun in your eyes hearing the howl of incoming artillery, you don't want to be in the hallway hearing your own heart beat for the first time in your life as you prepare to peek around the corner into a hail of gunfire, you don't want to have to bury your own friend in a bomb crater in a nameless grave. You don't want the nitty gritty of war. You want to sit back at arm's length and watch good men die and perish. You want to relax at home while the news from the front lines pours in.

That is what you want, an armchair war.


Nope, you heard right, believe it not, not everyone is amused with your ability to post in threads and contribute literally nothing of value to the topic or discussion.
Says the guy who legitimately enjoys a cartoon pony show intended for 8 year old girls. Kill yourself.

[=sw=warlord]

Says the guy who legitimately enjoys a cartoon pony show intended for 8 year old girls. Kill yourself.

A bit rich coming from someone who has something from power rangers in their signature.
Kind of appropriate really, Only power rangers would have a scene as cheesy as what's in your signature and that cheese flows through your posts also.

[PopeAK49]

I find it amusing that people on here try to be serious. Including myself.

[neuro]

asshattery

i said come at me bro, who's talking armchairs?

also, i dont just want to see the good men peris, i want to see everyone perish.

[=sw=warlord]

It's possible to have a serious debate but when you have the likes of emzee and Sel around, such debates are rare to find.
Sel does sometimes provide good information but his M.O always seems to be along the same lines as Dano.

[Rainbow Dash]

Says the guy who legitimately enjoys a cartoon pony show intended for 8 year old girls. Kill yourself.

argument ad hominem~~~

[Rainbow Dash]

I find it amusing that people on here try to be serious. Including myself.

yeah man people trying to have intellectual discussions on the internet xd so funny!!

[Emmzee]

i said come at me bro, who's talking armchairs?

also, i dont just want to see the good men peris, i want to see everyone perish.
I would feel bad for you, I really would, if you weren't such a subhuman fucking retard. Who the fuck are you to be talking to me like that, you disgraceful waste of space? I don't know where you've been lately, but I more or less totally run shit around here, so you not fucking off despite my repeated warnings can only be considered an act of war. If it's war you want, it's war you'll get, dickass. Keep fucking prodding me and you'll feel the true meaning of "shoving my foot up your ass." I can rain unholy, hellish fury on you in an instant. Luckily for you, I'm a nice guy. So this is your last warning before I lay into you so hard you wish you had never been born. So shut the fuck up and let the big boys talk, you fucking pussy.


argument ad hominem~~~
FU2mn_S0kls

[Emmzee]

A bit rich coming from someone who has something from power rangers in their signature.
lol

[itszutak]

Do you have any idea of what a war is? I mean for one single solitary second have you just thought what the world around you would be like in a total war? I ask you this : Is it war you love, the combat you hate?

You're no better than the rich men who just watch the world burn in war. You don't want to be in the trenches with bullets whizzing over your head, you don't want to be in the meadow at dawn with the sun in your eyes hearing the howl of incoming artillery, you don't want to be in the hallway hearing your own heart beat for the first time in your life as you prepare to peek around the corner into a hail of gunfire, you don't want to have to bury your own friend in a bomb crater in a nameless grave. You don't want the nitty gritty of war. You want to sit back at arm's length and watch good men die and perish. You want to relax at home while the news from the front lines pours in.

That is what you want, an armchair war.


Says the guy who legitimately enjoys a cartoon pony show intended for 8 year old girls. Kill yourself.

wait what the fuck when'd anyone say anything about war seriously what is going on did I miss something

[TVTyrant]

Best thread in months 10/10 would post again

[Emmzee]

hey warlord tell us what you think my signature is from again that was hilarious

[DarkHalo003]

If you're an admin/mod, please don't lock this thread. It's the best activity this forum has had in ages.

[PopeAK49]

yeah man people trying to have intellectual discussions on the internet xd so funny!!

lol. More like talking the talk but unable to walk the walk. If you want some fast change, try to unleash a deadly virus and wipe out a whole society. It seems that war and plague are the only game changers from what I know through out human history. But please enlighten me of another exception.

[TVTyrant]

lol. More like talking the talk but unable to walk the walk. If you want some fast change, try to unleash a deadly virus and wipe out a whole society. It seems that war and plague are the only game changers from what I know through out human history. But please enlighten me of another exception.
This guy seems to get it.

[Timo]

Come on guys

http://i.imgur.com/wZSDZ.gif

Politics brings out the worst in everyone.

[DarkHalo003]

^Best post of 2012.

[t3h m00kz]

I find it amusing that people on here try to be serious. Including myself.

yeah it's hard to be serious when people are so highly opinionated and narrow minded they can't end statement without saying "You're stupid if you disagree with me."


I would feel bad for you, I really would, if you weren't such a subhuman fucking retard. Who the fuck are you to be talking to me like that, you disgraceful waste of space? I don't know where you've been lately, but I more or less totally run shit around here, so you not fucking off despite my repeated warnings can only be considered an act of war. If it's war you want, it's war you'll get, dickass. Keep fucking prodding me and you'll feel the true meaning of "shoving my foot up your ass." I can rain unholy, hellish fury on you in an instant. Luckily for you, I'm a nice guy. So this is your last warning before I lay into you so hard you wish you had never been born. So shut the fuck up and let the big boys talk, you fucking pussy.


FU2mn_S0kls

holy fuck bro you need to take two chillaxatives and down them with a potion of chill the fuck out. and hit that magical block button.

you motherfucker.

asshole.

hooker.

[TVTyrant]

yeah it's hard to be serious when people are so highly opinionated and narrow minded they can't end statement without saying "You're stupid if you disagree with me."



holy fuck bro you need to take two chillaxatives and down them with a potion of chill the fuck out. and hit that magical block button.

you motherfucker.

asshole.

hooker.
Hi, my name's John and I hate all you faggots

[PopeAK49]

Come on guys

http://i.imgur.com/wZSDZ.gif

Politics brings out the worst in everyone.

What the fuck is this shit. A flying lawn mower?

My jimmies are not rustled anymore.


yeah it's hard to be serious when people are so highly opinionated and narrow minded they can't end statement without saying "You're stupid if you disagree with me."

Thank you.

[Emmzee]

this thread owns

[Emmzee]

reminder that warlord thought my signature was power rangers

[thehoodedsmack]

We got it started in here. It got retarded in here.

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[Emmzee]

EdzLFNELeCI&autoplay=1

[DarkHalo003]

http://cf2.8tracks.us/mix_covers/000/678/666/73991.max1024.jpg

[Rainbow Dash]

yeah it's hard to be serious when people are so highly opinionated and narrow minded they can't end statement without saying "You're stupid if you disagree with me."


What else do you call people who are totally oblivious of the world around them then?

If you actually believe that gays in the US military, and gay marriage, totally fucking eclipse the fact that the USA, and a few other countries are quickly turning into something out of 1984, or the non stop wars that have killed loads upon loads of people, or any other of the many pressing global issues, then please, go justify that opinion, and explain why mine is so totally ridiculous, instead of resorting to childish attacks that do nothing to further the discussion.

[Warsaw]

A few other countries? You mean all of the ones you can think of off the top of your head?

As far as I'm concerned, any country where corporate interests are at play is going to shit. That means all of them. That also means this has been going on since before any of us here were even born.

History is cyclical. We just happened to catch the beginning of the last part of the shitty side of that cycle. This is the Roman Empire allowing the Goths to settle.

[Emmzee]

What else do you call people who are totally oblivious of the world around them then?
bronies

[Tnnaas]

:lmao: Oh my god, this entire thread. I'm gone twelve hours and I miss so much.

[TeeKup]

This forum has gone to hell in a hand-basket.

[Warsaw]

A lot of "trying way too hard" going on.

[Pooky]

This forum has gone to hell in a hand-basket.

hdt4DxStClE

[Emmzee]

This forum has gone to hell in a hand-basket.
ham basket*

[Emmzee]

it should be noted that the exact same type of posts that are the norm in this thread and on this forum at large i was getting banned and suspended for 4-5 years ago

i was truly ahead of my time

[TVTyrant]

A few other countries? You mean all of the ones you can think of off the top of your head?

As far as I'm concerned, any country where corporate interests are at play is going to shit. That means all of them. That also means this has been going on since before any of us here were even born.

History is cyclical. We just happened to catch the beginning of the last part of the shitty side of that cycle. This is the Roman Empire allowing the Goths to settle.
Thank fucking god someone else here knows about history and sees this correlation. Fuck my ass I hate it when people don't see the parallels.

[rossmum]

it should be noted that the exact same type of posts that are the norm in this thread and on this forum at large i was getting banned and suspended for 4-5 years ago

i was truly ahead of my time
the difference between your posts you got banned for and 90% of the other people here is that your posts were well-delivered and not just the same rehashed reddit/4chan bullshit over and fucking over five years after they ceased to be funny

basically actually being entertaining is bannable i guess

[neuro]

funny, yes, re-ban, yes.

[t3h m00kz]

What else do you call people who are totally oblivious of the world around them then?

If you actually believe that gays in the US military, and gay marriage, totally fucking eclipse the fact that the USA, and a few other countries are quickly turning into something out of 1984, or the non stop wars that have killed loads upon loads of people, or any other of the many pressing global issues, then please, go justify that opinion, and explain why mine is so totally ridiculous, instead of resorting to childish attacks that do nothing to further the discussion.

see, I've already given my two cents (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?24739-2012-Presidency-(USA)&p=632700&viewfull=1#post632700) on the whole gays in the military thing argument, stating that the core corruption between candidates is inevitable, but there IS such a thing as a lesser of two evils - which was mostly disregarded (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?24739-2012-Presidency-(USA)&p=632703&viewfull=1#post632703)! That's not how a serious debate works - you can't just ignore points people make. If I were to state my stance again, I'd just sound like a broken record - repetitive and annoying as fuck, driving people away. and nobody wants that, yeah? ;}

You can't honestly believe you won't receive "childish remarks" in response to your rediculous, narrow-minded approach at discussions and debates which involves calling people idiots for not agreeing that people need to be freed from the big, bad government. Which, in itself, seems to me like a bit of oxymoron. Do you truely care about people, or don't you? You want to liberate, but at the same time you see everybody as so completely stupid and resort to name calling!

also, mmm just for poops and laughs let me just post the polar opposite side of the argument..

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difference between you and me is I'm not going to be all "YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT" if you don't agree 100%.

You know why?

Because this is MERICA (http://youtu.be/oPpdOHtfEzA?t=35s)and it's your goddamn decision.

:}


That's deep bro. Real deep.

That's what she said.

[PopeAK49]

Last edited by t3h m00kz; Today at 09:35 PM. Reason: Fuck my ass until it's dead

LOL.

[TVTyrant]

Lol indeed

[t3h m00kz]

jeez im trying to b srs gaiz

[PopeAK49]

jeez im trying to b srs gaiz

I read it and agreed. I just found that edit comment to be the entire highlight of your post.

[Rainbow Dash]

see, I've already given my two cents (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?24739-2012-Presidency-(USA)&p=632700&viewfull=1#post632700) on the whole gays in the military thing argument, stating that the core corruption between candidates is inevitable, but there IS such a thing as a lesser of two evils - which was mostly disregarded (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?24739-2012-Presidency-(USA)&p=632703&viewfull=1#post632703)!

It was disregarded was because they are, despite being serious social issues, totally irrelevant in the larger picture, because even if you win on those issues the other policies I posted about, which both candidates support are going to fuck us all regardless of whether we're gay, straight, black, or white etc. All the DADT, and gay marriage issues are at the moment in politics are distractions from that fact, and voting will do nothing to solve the far more severe problems we face.



That's not how a serious debate works - you can't just ignore points people make.

Except I've already explained why the points you've made barely matter in the first place, there is no reason to continue debating them because as I've repeatedly said, they are relatively insignificant.



You can't honestly believe you won't receive "childish remarks" in response to your rediculous, narrow-minded approach

Considering you're the one who can't seem to think of any other course of action besides voting to solve the issues we face, and who is fixated on minor issues that only America hasn't figured out, it's pretty rich that you're calling me narrow minded.



at discussions and debates which involves calling people idiots for not agreeing that people need to be freed from the big, bad government.


You're misrepresenting or completely misunderstanding my point. I'm not calling for the libertarian utopia of destroy the government just because FUCK GUBAHMENT. I'm saying that when the government is totally corrupt the public need to do something about it, instead of just continuing to passively participate in supporting it. So yeah, if you don't think that action needs to be taken to fix a totally corrupt government, then yes, you are an absolute fucking idiot.



Do you truely care about people?

I care about our race as a whole, and I want the best possible society for everyone.



but at the same time you see everybody as so completely stupid!

With the exception of socially backwards redneck types, I don't see everyone as completely stupid.

[Spartan094]

Holy jeeebus titty fucking christ, what the fuck guys, srsly

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/srsly-guise.jpg

[t3h m00kz]

Sorry for not responding in a timely manner, I'm enjoying the merican privaliage of taking a hot bath and surfing the net on my smartphone on a sick day from work.

Bear with me.

[Emmzee]

It was disregarded was because they are, despite being serious social issues, totally irrelevant in the larger picture, because even if you win on those issues the other policies I posted about, which both candidates support are going to fuck us all regardless of whether we're gay, straight, black, or white etc. All the DADT, and gay marriage issues are at the moment in politics are distractions from that fact, and voting will do nothing to solve the far more severe problems we face.



Except I've already explained why the points you've made barely matter in the first place, there is no reason to continue debating them because as I've repeatedly said, they are relatively insignificant.



Considering you're the one who can't seem to think of any other course of action besides voting to solve the issues we face, and who is fixated on minor issues that only America hasn't figured out, it's pretty rich that you're calling me narrow minded.



You're misrepresenting or completely misunderstanding my point. I'm not calling for the libertarian utopia of destroy the government just because FUCK GUBAHMENT. I'm saying that when the government is totally corrupt the public need to do something about it, instead of just continuing to passively participate in supporting it. So yeah, if you don't think that action needs to be taken to fix a totally corrupt government, then yes, you are an absolute fucking idiot.



I care about our race as a whole, and I want the best possible society for everyone.



With the exception of socially backwards redneck types, I don't see everyone as completely stupid.
you're a fucking faggot

[neuro]

once again, the contribution level in unfathomably high.

[Emmzee]

once again, the contribution level in unfathomably high.
You think you're so fucking tough over the Internet but I could beat the shit out of you in real life, buddy. Get off your freaking Dell you bought from Best Buy and come face me in the real world, nerd. Yeah, you won't. I have a black belt in karate and I am expertly trained in ninjutsu, plus I have a GUN as well as expert nunchuck skills. You wouldn't last three seconds against me in a real world fight, fucker. So run off to mommy and nurse your wounds while I stand here, bench-pressing 350 pounds all day every day, laughing at how weak and stupid you are. It's really quite pathetic when you look at it. Here we see some little fuckin' kid talking big on the Internet, but we both know that if you were face to face with me in real life your big fucking mouth would stay shut once you took a gander at my biceps - before I pounded you into the fucking sidewalk with them, that is. Are you going to cry now, little bitch? Are you going to cry?

[neuro]

you come to me tbh, i'm poor as fuck.

currently in Rome, cya there nigger.
no? you're not coming to beatht eh shit out of me?
aww what's the matter mister, you scared over the internet?

[Donut]

it was funny the first time emmzee. not so much the second, let alone the 5th time.

unless youre being serious, in which case somebody needs to tie you down and put you on a permanent drip feed of horse sedatives.

[TVTyrant]

I would be entertained if this actually went down

[t3h m00kz]

it was funny the first time emmzee. not so much the second, let alone the 5th time.

this is america so permit me to respectfully disagree with you.

that shit's funny as hell.


You think you're so fucking tough over the Internet but I could beat the shit out of you in real life, buddy. Get off your freaking Dell you bought from Best Buy and come face me in the real world, nerd. Yeah, you won't. I have a black belt in karate and I am expertly trained in ninjutsu, plus I have a GUN as well as expert nunchuck skills. You wouldn't last three seconds against me in a real world fight, fucker. So run off to mommy and nurse your wounds while I stand here, bench-pressing 350 pounds all day every day, laughing at how weak and stupid you are. It's really quite pathetic when you look at it. Here we see some little fuckin' kid talking big on the Internet, but we both know that if you were face to face with me in real life your big fucking mouth would stay shut once you took a gander at my biceps - before I pounded you into the fucking sidewalk with them, that is. Are you going to cry now, little bitch? Are you going to cry?

will you sign my BR

[Emmzee]

you come to me tbh, i'm poor as fuck.

currently in Rome, cya there nigger.
no? you're not coming to beatht eh shit out of me?
aww what's the matter mister, you scared over the internet?
I don't give a fuck who you are or where you live, you can count on me to be there just to bring your life to a hellish end. I'll put you in so much fucking pain that it'll make Jesus being nailed to the cross in the desert look like a fucking back massage on a tropical island. I don't give a fuck how tough you are, how well you fight, or how many fucking guns you own to protect yourself. I'll fucking show up at your house when you aren't at home. I'll turn on all the lights in your house, leave all the water running, open your fridge door and not close it, and turn your gas stove burners on and let them waste gas. You're gonna start stressing the fuck out, your blood pressure will triple, and you'll have a fucking heart attack. You'll go to the hospital for heart operation, and the last thing you'll see when being put under in the operating room is me, hovering above you dressed up like a doctor. When you wake up after the operation, you'll be scared for your fucking life, wondering what I did to you while you were being operated on, wondering what ticking time bomb is in your chest waiting to go off. You'll recover fully from your surgery. And when you walk out the front door of the hospital to go home, I'll run you over with my fucking car out of nowhere and kill you. I just want you to know how easily fucking destroy your pathetic excuse of a life, but how I'd rather go to a great fucking length to make sure your last remaining days are spent in a living, breathing hell. It's too late to save yourself but don't bother committing suicide either...I'll fucking resuscitate you and kill you myself you bitchfaced faggot. Welcome to hell, population: you.

[=sw=warlord]

it was funny the first time emmzee. not so much the second, let alone the 5th time.

unless youre being serious, in which case somebody needs to tie you down and feed you to the chinese.
ftfy

[Emmzee]

hey warlord remind us what you thought my signature was again

[t3h m00kz]

I don't give a fuck who you are or where you live, you can count on me to be there just to bring your life to a hellish end. I'll put you in so much fucking pain that it'll make Jesus being nailed to the cross in the desert look like a fucking back massage on a tropical island. I don't give a fuck how tough you are, how well you fight, or how many fucking guns you own to protect yourself. I'll fucking show up at your house when you aren't at home. I'll turn on all the lights in your house, leave all the water running, open your fridge door and not close it, and turn your gas stove burners on and let them waste gas. You're gonna start stressing the fuck out, your blood pressure will triple, and you'll have a fucking heart attack. You'll go to the hospital for heart operation, and the last thing you'll see when being put under in the operating room is me, hovering above you dressed up like a doctor. When you wake up after the operation, you'll be scared for your fucking life, wondering what I did to you while you were being operated on, wondering what ticking time bomb is in your chest waiting to go off. You'll recover fully from your surgery. And when you walk out the front door of the hospital to go home, I'll run you over with my fucking car out of nowhere and kill you. I just want you to know how easily fucking destroy your pathetic excuse of a life, but how I'd rather go to a great fucking length to make sure your last remaining days are spent in a living, breathing hell. It's too late to save yourself but don't bother committing suicide either...I'll fucking resuscitate you and kill you myself you bitchfaced faggot. Welcome to hell, population: you.

dude.

I'm dying.

stop it.

[TVTyrant]

I don't give a fuck who you are or where you live, you can count on me to be there just to bring your life to a hellish end. I'll put you in so much fucking pain that it'll make Jesus being nailed to the cross in the desert look like a fucking back massage on a tropical island. I don't give a fuck how tough you are, how well you fight, or how many fucking guns you own to protect yourself. I'll fucking show up at your house when you aren't at home. I'll turn on all the lights in your house, leave all the water running, open your fridge door and not close it, and turn your gas stove burners on and let them waste gas. You're gonna start stressing the fuck out, your blood pressure will triple, and you'll have a fucking heart attack. You'll go to the hospital for heart operation, and the last thing you'll see when being put under in the operating room is me, hovering above you dressed up like a doctor. When you wake up after the operation, you'll be scared for your fucking life, wondering what I did to you while you were being operated on, wondering what ticking time bomb is in your chest waiting to go off. You'll recover fully from your surgery. And when you walk out the front door of the hospital to go home, I'll run you over with my fucking car out of nowhere and kill you. I just want you to know how easily fucking destroy your pathetic excuse of a life, but how I'd rather go to a great fucking length to make sure your last remaining days are spent in a living, breathing hell. It's too late to save yourself but don't bother committing suicide either...I'll fucking resuscitate you and kill you myself you bitchfaced faggot. Welcome to hell, population: you.
The amount of thought that was put into this is entirely too much lol

laughing so hard

[itszutak]

Nobody actually believes this isn't just copied and pasted from angry_rant.txt, right? I mean...just google a sentence or two

[Emmzee]

Nobody actually believes this isn't just copied and pasted from angry_rant.txt, right? I mean...just google a sentence or two
3MvODCNkTJ4&autoplay=1

[PopeAK49]

Later that day, he was shipped to Africa and thrown into the tall grass. Never to be seen again....

[TVTyrant]

Later that day, he was shipped to Africa and thrown into the tall grass. Never to be seen again....
Like the dick that got ripped off by Dave Chappelle's monkey

[Donut]

ok i spoke too soon. that last one was fucking hilarious

[t3h m00kz]

I wouldn't laugh at emzee. He'll ruin your life bro.

[TVTyrant]

I wouldn't laugh at emzee. He'll ruin your life bro.
By giving you a prolapsed rectum

[Emmzee]

By giving you a prolapsed rectum
Listen to my man. He's not bullshitting. Me and my boy here killed over 600 terrorists between the both of us during our black ops missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you? That's because you're a little bitch who does nothing but talk shit on the internet while waiting for his hot pockets to finish heating in his mother's microwave. I know a hacker in the CIA who could get me the IP to your (or more likely, your parents') house like that. Then guess what happens? I come right on down to that basement you're sitting in and I beat your fat ass to a pulp. Shit, I probably wouldn't even have to do that. I've got buddies in high places, brother. Buddies who wouldn't hesitate to help me out by sending a couple Predator missiles your way and then claiming it was just a horrible accident. Yeah, well the only horrible thing about that "accident" is going to be when you realize you posted on the wrong board and you fucked with the wrong Devil Dog.

[t3h m00kz]

Just so we're clear I had more headshots.

[Spartan094]

And you got paid in strident layers...

End

[t3h m00kz]

Itt furries and bronies debate politics while someone who likes megaman and the power rangers makes death threats to a poor-ass artist with an inflated ego who wishes death to humanity

Welcome to Modacity, proud voice of the CE Modding community.

[Bobblehob]

:lmao: And so ends the great Modacity presidential debate of 2012, Bravo gentlemen...

[TVTyrant]

Itt furries and bronies debate politics while someone who likes megaman and the power rangers makes death threats to a poor-ass artist with an inflated ego who wishes death to humanity

Welcome to Modacity, proud voice of the CE Modding community.
Makes you miss HaloMaps

Pfft couldn't say that with a straight face LOL

[TVTyrant]

And so ends the great Modacity presidential debate of 2012, Bravo gentlemen...
Winner: trollzolololz

[Tnnaas]

Oh man, so much cleaning up to do. I'd nominate myself for a mod position and hope someone says yes, but that would require :effort: on my end.

I hope it isn't too much to ask if we can get back on whatever remains of this topic.

Obama supporters send their president to space to raise money for him (http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/offbeat/2012/09/24/tsr-pkg-moos-obama-to-space.cnn). Take that, Willard.

TIME gives us some dissapointing news about everyone's favorite type of glove (http://ideas.time.com/2012/09/24/is-romney-doomed-not-yet/?hpt=po_c2). Fuck, he's not done yet.

Some people feel like the guy from 127 Hours when it comes to the canidates (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/24/poll-many-voters-unsatisfied-with-candidates/?hpt=po_c2). That's less satisfying than everyone's first time in bed.

EDIT: This is the guy that the Republicans nominated for President (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/mitt-romney-airplane-windows_n_1910930.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false).

[Emmzee]

fuck you this thread isnt about politics

[Emmzee]

i think the only way to improve this thread is to turn it into a discussion of either circumcision or race's relations to socioeconomic problems

[TVTyrant]

i think the only way to improve this thread is to turn it into a discussion of either circumcision or race's relations to socioeconomic problems
Or about how being a women's studies major makes you a choice debater on race issues

[t3h m00kz]

Or about whether rape is legitimate or forcable or not

[Emmzee]

if shes unconscious its basically like fucking a realdoll

[PopeAK49]

Or about whether rape is legitimate or forcable or not

You cannot rape the willing.

[TVTyrant]

Or about whether rape is legitimate or forcable or not
If it's a real rape your body will just shut down gawsh

[neuro]

this thread makes me proud

[rossmum]

fuck you this thread isnt about politics
im going to threadshit your threads with politics. ha. ha. my revenge will be perfect.


if shes unconscious its basically like fucking a realdoll
holy lol

[Amit]

The things people say...

[Emmzee]

You cannot rape the willing.
my expert anime knowledge seems to indicate otherwise

[TVTyrant]

my expert anime knowledge seems to indicate otherwise
lol sir. lol

[Emmzee]

A liberal Muslim homosexual illegal immigrant ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx.
“Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being that the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ.”
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life, Eagle Scout Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decisions made by the United States stood up and held a rock.
“How old is this rock?” he asked.
The arrogant professor smirked his PhD smile and smugly replied “4.6 billion years old, you stupid Christian.”
“Wrong,” said the brilliant war hero. “It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal by now.”
The professor was visibly shaken and dropped his copy of The Origin of Species. He stormed out of the room, his eyes full of liberal crocodile tears.
The 500 students all applauded and registered Republican that day. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American flag and shed a tear on the chalk board. He reminded the students of the necessity of the 2nd Amendment and encouraged them all purchase firearms. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country. Ronald Reagan watched all of this with great joy, smiling from the heavens.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He mysteriously lost his life later that year and the coroner found that he died from chronic atheism. The university used the money that would have paid his salary to demolish the biology department building and erect a statue of Rocky in its place.

[thehoodedsmack]

The boxer or the flying-squirrel?

[t3h m00kz]

fuck bro now I need to purchase firearms

[rossmum]

ahahaha that's the best version of that i've seen yet

[JackalStomper]

http://i.imgur.com/Err36.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/yQLzT.gif

[Amit]

lol

[Bobblehob]

Hey guys, I just bought a 10' x 12' Confederate flag, where do you think I should hang it?

[TVTyrant]

Hey guys, I just bought a 10' x 12' Confederate flag, where do you think I should hang it?
Above the American flag, clearly. Since the US is really just a Z.O.G.

[Higuy]

You bought this one, right?

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/7153/confed.jpg

[Donut]

on the back of your truck with giant mud tires, like a cape

[TVTyrant]

on the back of your truck with giant mud tires, like a cape
Sounds like people who live near my house

[Bobblehob]

Above the American flag, clearly. Since the US is really just a Z.O.G.

But then it would cover up my NWO plaque.


You bought this one, right?

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/7153/confed.jpg

Hell yeah man, thats the one!

[TVTyrant]

But then it would cover up my NWO plaque.
Best possible response

[Higuy]

sweet i thought so i also ordered one for myself. i plan on hanging it from a big ole tree near my house.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN

[TVTyrant]

sweet i thought so i also ordered one for myself. i plan on hanging it from a big ole tree near my house.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
Lol you live in a border state

Union forever negroes!

[Higuy]

i live in maryland but my heart and mind belongs to the south where real men live

[TVTyrant]

i live in maryland but my heart and mind belongs to the south where real men live
So the Northwest you mean? Where the Northern blood runs string, the weather is cold, and the timber stands strong and tall for the cutting?

[Bobblehob]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2due1x5.jpg

[PopeAK49]

So the Northwest you mean? Where the Northern blood runs string, the weather is cold, and the timber stands strong and tall for the cutting?

I'm glad my fathers side of the family is Norwegian.

[TVTyrant]

I'm glad my fathers side of the family is Norwegian.
Me too dawg. Me too.

[rossmum]

we can only hope that one day, csa flags will be like crosses upon the doors of those who will be hauled out and shot

[Bobblehob]

we can only hope that one day, csa flags will be like crosses upon the doors of those who will be hauled out and shot

I guess Ill hang my new flag on your door then...

[Higuy]

I guess Ill hang my new flag on your door then...


need to borrow mine as well? you could hang two of them on his door... people would know he's serious then

[rossmum]

okay, allow me to correct myself

"those who willingly buy or construct csa flags should be shot"

[Warsaw]

I seem to recall you saying that we shouldn't be intolerant extremists.

:raise:

[=sw=warlord]

okay, allow me to correct myself

"those who willingly buy or construct csa flags should be shot"
What if they just like the design?

[TVTyrant]

okay, allow me to correct myself

"those who willingly buy or construct csa flags should be shot"
Why? The majority of the CSA just wanted to be racist, slave holding assholes. They weren't all racist, slave holding assholes.

[PopeAK49]

I think the true meaning behind the CSA flag is a bit jumbled up. But it has a bigger meaning than just supporting slavery and racism. It represents the Souths attempt to separate from the North as a part of state rights. I guess the idea of rebelling against the government because of state rights being violated. Of course it ties into slavery, but I believe it was a constant dispute between federal and state rights that caused the separation more than having freed slaves.

[TVTyrant]

I think the true meaning behind the CSA flag is a bit jumbled up. But it has a bigger meaning than just supporting slavery and racism. It represents the Souths attempt to separate from the North as a part of state rights. I guess the idea of rebelling against the government because of state rights being violated. Of course it ties into slavery, but I believe it was a constant dispute between federal and state rights that caused the separation more than having freed slaves.
Eh. Their entire point of view on State's rights was about the slavery issue though. That's what a lot of people forget about that part. They wanted the State's rights to own slaves. Nothing else about it mattered.

[Warsaw]

The status of slavery was an impetus, the "last straw" for the states that seceded from the Union.

[PopeAK49]

Eh. Their entire point of view on State's rights was about the slavery issue though. That's what a lot of people forget about that part. They wanted the State's rights to own slaves. Nothing else about it mattered.

Of course, but they still had their rights even if the motive was bad. It went against the Southern states freedoms. Yes the idea was bad, but the actions and anger that the south went through can be tolerated because of their rights being violated.

[TVTyrant]

Of course, but they still had their rights even if the motive was bad. It went against the Southern states freedoms. Yes the idea was bad, but the actions and anger that the south went through can be tolerated because of their rights being violated.
So you think we have an intrinsic right to own human beings? Lol. The problem with this line of thinking is that the idea of slavery is bad, no matter what angle you put on it. I get what you're trying to say, but its as black and white of a war as the US and USSR vs the Nazis. Its the same level of shit. Were there reasons that it happened, and we should blame ourselves for those? Yes. Is what our enemies represented completely wrong and should always be looked down upon? Yes.

[Warsaw]

The Civil War was way less black and white than WWII. Slavery wasn't even a point to the war until Lincoln made it one, and at that he didn't grant the freedom of slaves in the states still part of the union. Whether or not those states had abolished slavery yet is irrelevant, the Emancipation was more of a power play than a moral play.

And yes, slavery is bad.

[TVTyrant]

The Civil War was way less black and white than WWII. Slavery wasn't even a point to the war until Lincoln made it one, and at that he didn't grant the freedom of slaves in the states still part of the union. Whether or not those states had abolished slavery yet is irrelevant, the Emancipation was more of a power play than a moral play.

And yes, slavery is bad.
Slavery wasn't the focus for the North, but you need to go back and study about Southern economics in the 1850's. Their entire movement was based on slavery.

[Donut]

theres always the possibility of people just proclaiming their heritage. for example, i have an italian flag on my wall because im italian. that doesnt mean i like... support everything italy has done or love the culture or anything. its just me being like "yeah, im italian". i also just like the look of the flag.

i also have a USSR flag hanging on my wall simply for the conversation it sparks. doesnt mean im like, super communist "death to capitalism" or anything. i just like the way it looks and the questions people ask me. that, and its fun watching people make assumptions about my past based solely on a flag. the look on their faces when i say "i just like the design" is hilarious.

i will say though, my friend and i both have black fur soviet ushankas, and the looks we get when we go out in public wearing those are hysterical.

[PopeAK49]

Slavery wasn't the focus for the North, but you need to go back and study about Southern economics in the 1850's. Their entire movement was based on slavery.

I'm speaking in the sense of the 1850s and in the 1850s blacks were called a slave owners "property" and written as if they were products in each states law. So you can argue that the entire movement was based on a conflict of having one mans "property" taken from them.

State law: You have the right to own this product vs Federal law: You do not have the right to own this product.

I'm glad the north won the war, don't get me wrong. But the south had logical reason for fighting and rebelling even if the motive was bad.

[TVTyrant]

I'm speaking in the sense of the 1850s and in the 1850s blacks were called a slave owners "property" and written as if they were products in each states law. So you can argue that the entire movement was based on a conflict of having one mans "property" taken from them.

State law: You have the right to own this product vs Federal law: You do not have the right to own this product.

I'm glad the north won the war, don't get me wrong. But the south had logical reason for fighting and rebelling even if the motive was bad.
Never said that wasn't true, I just said that you should be cautious about your wording. Saying their cause for secession was acceptable is a huge stretch of the imagination.

[Rainbow Dash]

i will say though, my friend and i both have black fur soviet ushankas, and the looks we get when we go out in public wearing those are hysterical.

Sometimes I wish I lived in conservative America just so I could go around doing shit like that. Also to be really gay in public for funsies.

[PopeAK49]

Never said that wasn't true, I just said that you should be cautious about your wording. Saying their cause for secession was acceptable is a huge stretch of the imagination.

My close friend who is half black and half asian understands this concept without taking it offensively. Maybe it's just typing over the internet vs saying it in reality is the huge block-aid. I don't know but I'm not going to repeat myself every time otherwise I sound like a broken record.

[rossmum]

I seem to recall you saying that we shouldn't be intolerant extremists.

:raise:
you should be able to tell when i'm shitposting deliberately by now

c'mon son


Why? The majority of the CSA just wanted to be racist, slave holding assholes. They weren't all racist, slave holding assholes.
correct, but anyone who proudly displays a csa flag is either an idiot who is totally ignorant of the connotations it carries, or supports the cause


I think the true meaning behind the CSA flag is a bit jumbled up. But it has a bigger meaning than just supporting slavery and racism. It represents the Souths attempt to separate from the North as a part of state rights. I guess the idea of rebelling against the government because of state rights being violated. Of course it ties into slavery, but I believe it was a constant dispute between federal and state rights that caused the separation more than having freed slaves.
this is pretty much bullshit peddled in the southern states to try and justify confederate sabre-rattling to northerners (and also foreigners). they will tell you it's about states' rights and the flag is because of 'heritage not hate', but it is no different to taking out a reichskriegsflagge and then saying the same thing when people take exception to it.

the war was about slavery, plain and simple. the south didn't like the north coming down and telling them they couldn't get rich off the backs of their slaves, so they decided fuck it, we're going to make our own country and do what we want. thankfully the north was having none of this shit and came right on down and forcibly civilised those goddamn animals since they weren't willing to do it themselves. need i remind you that the united states was upwards of fifty years behind most european nations in destroying slavery, too.

basically, anyone who openly displays a csa flag unironically can immediately be written off as either an ignorant, insensitive fool, or an outright horrible person with horrible ideals. the csa didn't exist for very long and none of the people around today were born when it did, it's not the same as hanging your own flag on the wall.

consider the csa flag to be similar to nazi flags, and you're closer to the mark. it is a symbol of hatred and ignorance and there's no reason to display it unless a) it was captured from the confederates and is being displayed as a war trophy, or b) you are down with those ideals, or at least indifferent enough to the offence they cause.

[PopeAK49]

Or they just don't give a fuck what people think because opinions are opinions.

[rossmum]

opinions are not somehow immune to being inappropriate, bad, or incorrect, no matter how much people like to use them as a catchall excuse for being obnoxious

[Donut]

fucking this^ a hundred times

i cant tell you how many times ive heard someone say something like "gay people are bad and thats my opinion so deal with it". like, yeah, thats your opinion, but it doesnt make you any less stupid / wrong.

[TVTyrant]

Yeah, but you could say that anal sex is gross, incorrect by a biological standpoint, and unhealthy and be correct. Not that I hate the gays (don't really give a shit), but some people are smarter than their opinions allow them to seem.

[PopeAK49]

opinions are not somehow immune to being inappropriate, bad, or incorrect, no matter how much people like to use them as a catchall excuse for being obnoxious

I believe those are called morals and values.

Some people judge a book by its cover even if the intention was not even bad or good. Such as a time when I reached out with my left hand to shake my Arab friends hand, and I forgot that Arabs shake with their right hand. He didn't take it as an insult, but his father sure did.

Now how can that be deciphered as bad or good?

[Donut]

well i mean, that was just an example. the point is that just because its an opinion doesnt mean its a good one. somehow wanting to burn somebody for their sexuality seems like it might be "objectively" wrong. this is getting into some pretty philosophical territory though. i dont even want to begin defining what "objective" is, seeing as the definition itself would have to be objective.

E: i guess i just expect people to have a certain degree of understanding. in the example you gave fisher, it can be assumed that you were culturally ignorant of the custom. youre right, thats not bad or good, just a difference in culture. the important part is whether or not somebody can see that, or if they just get upset because people dont conform to their standards.

then again, i was in a video call earlier today with my friend. her dad is asian, which i only mention because there may be some custom im not aware of, but he looks at the screen and says "who are you talking to?". she says "my friend james", and her dad is like "thats a boy? it looks like a girl". i assume he said that because i have long hair. i wasnt upset at the fact that he mistook me for a girl at first glance, but rather that he thought it was ok to just say something offensive like that. like i said though, idk if it comes down to culture.

so maybe me getting upset with my friend's dad and the social impetus behind you shaking with your left hand are similar social cues. essentially, cultural barriers.

in light of the above, it still pisses me off when people fail to justify their opinion with anything other than "its my opinion".

[rossmum]

Yeah, but you could say that anal sex is gross, incorrect by a biological standpoint, and unhealthy and be correct. Not that I hate the gays (don't really give a shit), but some people are smarter than their opinions allow them to seem.
technically men will put their dick basically anywhere they can fit it, so that logic falls apart pretty fast. the gross part is opinion (i agree, it grosses me out too) as is the rest as it is really not unhealthy or incorrect by any rational standard


I believe those are called morals and values.

Some people judge a book by its cover even if the intention was not even bad or good. Such as a time when I reached out with my left hand to shake my Arab friends hand, and I forgot that Arabs shake with their right hand. He didn't take it as an insult, but his father sure did.

Now how can that be deciphered as bad or good?
morals and values are emotion, emotion and logic are not friends and should not be mixed.

[=sw=warlord]

To be fair, French kissing would probably be considered "gross" because the human mouth is such a powerful incubator for bacteria.
It's somewhat humbling when you consider a dogs mouth is actually more sanitary than a humans but you don't see people going about french kissing dogs.

[Warsaw]

you should be able to tell when i'm shitposting deliberately by now

c'mon son

Just sayin' bro, if you want to send a message only go extreme in one direction. :p

[=sw=warlord]

Speaking of dumbasses, another WOOPS moment from Romney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CSVSwSaypg&feature=related

[TVTyrant]

To be fair, French kissing would probably be considered "gross" because the human mouth is such a powerful incubator for bacteria.
It's somewhat humbling when you consider a dogs mouth is actually more sanitary than a humans but you don't see people going about french kissing dogs.
I make out with my dog every day

And just because its unhealthy doesnt mean it isn't pleasurable. In fact in my experience that usually makes it more pleasurable.

[Rainbow Dash]

JbXE6ZMDaqY

also

rt67GITFYtU

[Higuy]

http://imageshack.us/a/img72/2700/mynewconfederateflag.jpg

i told you guys i ordered one. LOOKS SWEET RIGHT?

[rossmum]

congrats on loving slavery and supporting hatred, because that flag stands for both of those

[PopeAK49]

I like it. My sister has an exact replicate (in terms of size) I believe. I'm just glad that symbols are not treated like industry/international standards. Just interpreted differently in other cultures, such as the swastika.


congrats on loving slavery and supporting hatred, because that flag stands for both of those

Tell me what you would say to a Buddhist with a swastika symbol tat'd to his forehead.

[Higuy]

Personally I see the flag as a very different symbol, which is my burning love for Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Oh, and, it looks awesome.

[Warsaw]

congrats on loving slavery and supporting hatred, because that flag stands for both of those

Funny, because the Soviet banner stands for oppression of human rights and mass murder...

See what I did there?

:haw:

[DarkHalo003]

congrats on loving slavery and supporting hatred, because that flag stands for both of those
That's one interpretation of it utilized by the people that exhibit the loving of human enslavement and hatred, but the other interpretation is that of old southern culture outside of slavery and the distinct differences between the South and North. The people who see the ladder don't view it as a symbol of the CSA, but as a symbol of their heritage, just like how Native Americans across the U.S. used the Swastika as a symbol for peace. The flag itself can also represent state sovereignty over a centralized federal government's.

Wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#Georgia

It's all about context.

[PopeAK49]

That's one interpretation of it utilized by the people that exhibit the loving of human enslavement and hatred, but the other interpretation is that of old southern culture outside of slavery and the distinct differences between the South and North. The people who see the ladder don't view it as a symbol of the CSA, but as a symbol of their heritage, just like how Native Americans across the U.S. used the Swastika as a symbol for peace. The flag itself can also represent state sovereignty over a centralized federal government's.

Wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#Georgia

It's all about context.

Thank you.

[Emmzee]

ok so im finally watching the presidential debate last night and this shits weird. the candidates are asked a question about agriculture and the camera zooms in on obama's left eye. there is no pupil, only a void. as the camera keeps zooming in, romney answers the question but he seems far away. the void is all the camera can see now. the live audience is audibly unsettled. someone is screaming. the abyss is being transmitted across the world now. the void overtakes the homes of every american. people should be scared but they are oddly calm. obama begins to speak...

obama speaks in a language that only he knows, but yet everybody understands. the world collectively nods their heads. the camera quickly zooms back out to the debate. "strange days" by the doors is faintly heard. "romney, your rebuttal?" the mediator asks. romney's rebuttal is literally indescribable. colors are being heard, scents seen. the music grows louder. i blink and suddenly it is 4 hours later. green wavy lines are emanating from the sun. he is fundamentally changing the world with speech. obama reaches into a briefcase. the music has reached its fever pitch. there is an enticing yellow light coming from his hands. what is it? then my dvr runs out of hard drive space. what a waste of time

[Cortexian]

I think you had to many drugs.

[rossmum]

Tell me what you would say to a Buddhist with a swastika symbol tat'd to his forehead.
considering the symbol was around for a hell of a long time before it was bastardised by the nazis, nothing.

not something that you can say for the confederate flag.


Funny, because the Soviet banner stands for oppression of human rights and mass murder...
except the ideal represented is nothing to do with either.

the csa formed because the southern states wanted slaves and didn't like the rest of the country being actually decent human beings and telling them to knock it off. you can dance around it all you want, or say that its meaning was diluted and now it's a 'representation of southern culture' (whatever southern culture is, beyond being far right wing and hoping for the days of public lynchings to return, because as far as i'm aware southerners are otherwise no different and the not-awful ones are indistinguishable from their northern counterparts), but if someone was going around with a nazi flag - not just 'a swastika', but the full deal - you wouldn't take "oh it's a celebration of x because its meaning has been diluted with time and it's not about the holocaust any more" as an excuse. anyone who would is a bad person and socially maladjusted.

the csa flag stands for the csa's ideals directly. unlike the soviets' ideals, they are morally reprehensible. the fact they got lost along the way is irrelevant - the csa started like that.

[rossmum]

man my plan to try and chill out didn't work for very long, huh

guess there's only so many terrible opinions a man can endure

e/ to avoid triple posting; allow me to articulate my point a little better and less angrily.

there are three contexts in which you can display a flag. the first is that you are proud of it and what it represents, you identify yourself as being represented by it in some way, and this is when you put it on your car as a bumper sticker or hang it proudly on your wall. doing this with a confederate flag has one meaning, which is that you are totally down with displaying a flag which came into being to represent states breaking out of the union in order to continue slavery. you aren't saying you embrace southern life. you might think you are, but there are other, better ways of doing it. by putting up the stars and bars and saying yep, this is my flag, you are essentially saying you are cool with being pigeonholed with people who loved slavery and hated other races, because that is exactly what will happen. this is the context it is used in on many southern states' state flags, because they are inexplicably proud of their sordid, primitive racist roots, or because they feel some childish urge to stick it to the other states of the union. no surprise that all the states which feature it as part of their state flag are socially backwards cesspools which make america look bad to everyone else.

the second context is for purely historical use, with no implied meaning. this is pretty much exclusive to museums or private, but museum-fashioned, displays.

the third is because the flag was captured in battle and you are displaying it as a sign of your (or your ancestors') victory over it. it isn't hung for all to see like in the first context, it's kept somewhere out of the way so that you can explain to people why you have it and avoid being judged. this is why people who brought home nazi war flags generally don't have them flying from their truck.

those are the three contexts. there are no others. you cannot say you identify with the flag because of its representation of southern culture when the part of southern culture it inherently represents are racism and hatred (incidentally, they do seem to be pretty integral to said culture, since all i ever fucking see from the same people who insist on yelling about ~MY SOUTHERN HERITAGE~ at every opportunity is hateful and barbaric drivel).

but whatever, continue waving a sign that says "I AM DOWN WITH SLAVERY AND PUBLIC LYNCHINGS AS SPECTATOR SPORT" if you unironically believe that people will accept your completely ridiculous argument of why it should be socially acceptable to display symbols of hate

[Timo]

but whatever, continue waving a sign that says "I AM DOWN WITH SLAVERY AND PUBLIC LYNCHINGS AS SPECTATOR SPORT" if you unironically believe that people will accept your completely ridiculous argument of why it should be socially acceptable to display symbols of hate

A++ would read again

[Warsaw]

The ideal of the Southern states was that they can be fairly represented in the Federal government and that since they joined the Union willingly, they also have the right to leave willingly. They seceded because they felt that there was effectively a cartel going on in Congress that was trying to hurt their livelihood, and there was. The North wasn't cracking down on slavery because they thought it was a bad idea, they were doing it because it was in their economic interest. You have to remember that at the time, the USA was effectively two countries with vastly different economies. If the South couldn't provide for itself, that meant that they would need to turn to the North to support them. That means more money thrown North-ward. It wasn't because slaves were cheap (they were cheaper than paying for labour, don't get me wrong), but there simply wasn't the white man-power to work the plantations and what are the chances that newly freed slaves are going to want to keep doing the same jobs afterwards for little pay?

Don't come in here telling me that the CSA was based completely around the concept that slavery is OK...slavery would have gone out of fashion soon anyways since no new ones were being imported and the cotton industry would inevitably crash soon as it became outsourced to places like India. So please, read more and spew less. the CSA flag is no worse than the flag USSR of the USSR, and in fact I'd wager that more people cringe at the sight of the latter because it institutionalized the murder of, what was it, between 11 and 26 million people? I'm sorry that the South supported slavery, but that wasn't its core belief, unlike the USSR which believed anybody with different opinions should be dragged out to Siberia and worked to death.

Don't even TRY to ride that horse. You have ZERO room to talk as long as you continue to fly the banner of the Soviet Union and proclaim it as the best thing that ever happened to humanity.

[DarkHalo003]

those are the three contexts. there are no others. you cannot say you identify with the flag because of its representation of southern culture when the part of southern culture it inherently represents are racism and hatred (incidentally, they do seem to be pretty integral to said culture, since all i ever fucking see from the same people who insist on yelling about ~MY SOUTHERN HERITAGE~ at every opportunity is hateful and barbaric drivel).

but whatever, continue waving a sign that says "I AM DOWN WITH SLAVERY AND PUBLIC LYNCHINGS AS SPECTATOR SPORT" if you unironically believe that people will accept your completely ridiculous argument of why it should be socially acceptable to display symbols of hate
It's sad that this is your opinion of Southerners who take pride in their heritage. It's obvious that the Southerners you meet are pure skidheads/rednecks or are at the other end of the XBL microphone. Frankly, I think your problem is that you generalize anyone who is simply different than you. I'm a Southerner and I found slavery to be utterly atrocious. However, that secession was the southern governments collectively reacting to the union. There were a LOT of Southerners that were generally innocent and were not for the complete secession from the Union, let alone would give up slavery to stay in the Union. The secession was planned by the government and business interests of the South. True Southern heritage is loving soul food, soft rock, and sweet tea. And saying y'all, y'all.

[PopeAK49]

To me it symbolizes the deliciousness of fried chicken and the happiness the southerners brought to the black people because they didn't have chicken in Africa.

[TVTyrant]

To me it symbolizes the deliciousness of fried chicken and the happiness the southerners brought to the black people because they didn't have chicken in Africa.
hahahaha

[rossmum]

The ideal of the Southern states was that they can be fairly represented in the Federal government and that since they joined the Union willingly, they also have the right to leave willingly. They seceded because they felt that there was effectively a cartel going on in Congress that was trying to hurt their livelihood, and there was. The North wasn't cracking down on slavery because they thought it was a bad idea, they were doing it because it was in their economic interest. You have to remember that at the time, the USA was effectively two countries with vastly different economies. If the South couldn't provide for itself, that meant that they would need to turn to the North to support them. That means more money thrown North-ward. It wasn't because slaves were cheap (they were cheaper than paying for labour, don't get me wrong), but there simply wasn't the white man-power to work the plantations and what are the chances that newly freed slaves are going to want to keep doing the same jobs afterwards for little pay?
i dunno man this sounds like a whole bunch of apologism to me, the same sort of stuff people always regurgitate after sternly correcting you that the 'civil war' was actually the 'war of northern aggression' and implying that the south will rise again because apparently america isn't right-wing enough any more

the real problem was snotty rich cotton emperors not wanting to pay white labour, of which there would be zero shortage if they offered wages worth a damn. slavery was not necessary by any measure and it is insulting, sociopathic, and completely ignorant to imply otherwise. it would have continued regardless of the availability of white workers because, get this, slave owners were inherently horrible people who valued their own luxury above the lives and freedom of others.


Don't come in here telling me that the CSA was based completely around the concept that slavery is OK...
perhaps, then, they should have picked something else to start a civil war over


slavery would have gone out of fashion soon anyways since no new ones were being imported and the cotton industry would inevitably crash soon as it became outsourced to places like India.
this does not for a second even begin to absolve them, and nor should it


So please, read more and spew less.
i do - just not from the rampant apologism that southerners are apparently indoctrinated with


the CSA flag is no worse than the flag USSR of the USSR
the soviet union was founded on the principles of equality and freedom from oppression. neither of these ended up happening. you can argue all you like that the csa had nothing to do with slavery and that it was a matter of principle, but you, just like everyone else who spins that crap, would be spreading falsehoods. the csa existed because rich fucktards with a lot of influence wanted slavery to remain in place so they could continue to get richer and everyone else was either too poor or too corrupt to do anything about it. it was founded on the principle of it being up to states whether to consider african slaves as human beings or not.

like all southern apologism, your post makes an absolute mockery of the issues at hand and is fucking insulting to me, let alone those who were the victims of those precious "states' rights"


and in fact I'd wager that more people cringe at the sight of the latter because it institutionalized the murder of, what was it, between 11 and 26 million people?
a corrupt dictator who shows up to the game late and turns something good into something bad, versus something which is centred around slavery from the get-go? i consider the csa flag to be on the same level as a nazi swastika, because it basically is.


I'm sorry that the South supported slavery, but that wasn't its core belief
horseshit. if it wasn't their core belief they wouldn't have gone to fucking war over it.

no wonder the fucking south is such a backwards mess, everyone's apparently force-fed apologist, revisionist rubbish until they actually believe it.


unlike the USSR which believed anybody with different opinions should be dragged out to Siberia and worked to death.
except that wasn't the case for most of its lifespan, and in fact the worst excesses came first at its most fragile moments, and then during the reign of a paranoid killer. pretty much all the rest of its time after that, it wasn't actually that bad, certainly no worse than your precious "free" america, or any given western european nation


Don't even TRY to ride that horse. You have ZERO room to talk as long as you continue to fly the banner of the Soviet Union and proclaim it as the best thing that ever happened to humanity.
hahahaha this is cute. it's like someone is trying to lecture me on history using only hyperbole and horseshit. oh wait, they are.

further to that, if you ever paid a blind bit of notice during any one of the conversations i have had with you, i make it pretty fucking clear that while i admired the attempt, they went pretty badly wrong in several places and given the opportunity i would rather see something different emerge. either you switch off when anyone other than yourself talks or, more likely, you've conveniently neglected to mention that fact so you can make some hilarious allegation to divert attention from your shameless southern apologism.

p.s. i hope you don't for a second think america is/was any better, because it is demonstrably not. remember when americans would gather the whole family for a fun day out, watching innocent black people get hung half to death and then slashed and set on fire because juries wouldn't convict whites, along with all the rest of the town?

when was that, the 1700s? 1800s? oh no, that's right, the 19 fucking 60s.

in the south.


It's sad that this is your opinion of Southerners who take pride in their heritage.
"my grandfather was an ss einsatzgruppe commando, this giant flag w/ ss runes and a totenkopf is just to display my pride in my heritage, you see"


It's obvious that the Southerners you meet are pure skidheads/rednecks or are at the other end of the XBL microphone.
quite the opposite, i know many intelligent and reasonable southerners. to a man they all agree that the south was in the wrong during the civil war, that it was, in fact, a CIVIL war and not one of 'northern aggression', and that those who prance around trying to make some kind of cutesy hick culture out of the artefacts of a horrific stain upon america's image are either idiots, apologists, flat-out racists, or some combination thereof.


Frankly, I think your problem is that you generalize anyone who is simply different than you. I'm a Southerner and I found slavery to be utterly atrocious. However, that secession was the southern governments collectively reacting to the union. There were a LOT of Southerners that were generally innocent and were not for the complete secession from the Union, let alone would give up slavery to stay in the Union. The secession was planned by the government and business interests of the South.
blah blah blah. we were just reacting to them damn union oppressors, man, why you gotta be down on the south????

it's like a broken record, every time the issue comes up the union becomes the devil and the csa a pure and righteous band of freedom-lovers (blacks need not apply) who were just fighting to protect what was right, man, it wasn't about slavery at all

seriously that bullshit has been disproven again and again and again and only clings onto its existence because people like those posting in this thread are so goddamn up themselves they can't recognise the failings of their 'heritage' and actually act accordingly. saying "YEAH MAN SLAVERY WAS WRONG" doesn't fucking fix anything, it just cheapens the whole thing. if you really think slavery was wrong, quit defending people who fly a flag that is synonymous with slavery.


True Southern heritage is loving soul food, soft rock, and sweet tea. And saying y'all, y'all.
exactly, and i don't see how a stupid fucking flag comes into that at all. come up with a new one, one that doesn't immediately scream 'AVOID THIS PERSON THEY ARE PROBABLY AN INSANE RIGHT WING RACIST' to notherners, foreigners, and fuck, just about anyone that doesn't also insist on waving the goddamn thing around at every opportunity.

[PopeAK49]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/llama-stare-gif.gif

[TVTyrant]

i dunno man this sounds like a whole bunch of apologism to me, the same sort of stuff people always regurgitate after sternly correcting you that the 'civil war' was actually the 'war of northern aggression' and implying that the south will rise again because apparently america isn't right-wing enough any more

the real problem was snotty rich cotton emperors not wanting to pay white labour, of which there would be zero shortage if they offered wages worth a damn. slavery was not necessary by any measure and it is insulting, sociopathic, and completely ignorant to imply otherwise. it would have continued regardless of the availability of white workers because, get this, slave owners were inherently horrible people who valued their own luxury above the lives and freedom of others.


perhaps, then, they should have picked something else to start a civil war over


this does not for a second even begin to absolve them, and nor should it


i do - just not from the rampant apologism that southerners are apparently indoctrinated with


the soviet union was founded on the principles of equality and freedom from oppression. neither of these ended up happening. you can argue all you like that the csa had nothing to do with slavery and that it was a matter of principle, but you, just like everyone else who spins that crap, would be spreading falsehoods. the csa existed because rich fucktards with a lot of influence wanted slavery to remain in place so they could continue to get richer and everyone else was either too poor or too corrupt to do anything about it. it was founded on the principle of it being up to states whether to consider african slaves as human beings or not.

like all southern apologism, your post makes an absolute mockery of the issues at hand and is fucking insulting to me, let alone those who were the victims of those precious "states' rights"


a corrupt dictator who shows up to the game late and turns something good into something bad, versus something which is centred around slavery from the get-go? i consider the csa flag to be on the same level as a nazi swastika, because it basically is.


horseshit. if it wasn't their core belief they wouldn't have gone to fucking war over it.

no wonder the fucking south is such a backwards mess, everyone's apparently force-fed apologist, revisionist rubbish until they actually believe it.


except that wasn't the case for most of its lifespan, and in fact the worst excesses came first at its most fragile moments, and then during the reign of a paranoid killer. pretty much all the rest of its time after that, it wasn't actually that bad, certainly no worse than your precious "free" america, or any given western european nation


hahahaha this is cute. it's like someone is trying to lecture me on history using only hyperbole and horseshit. oh wait, they are.

further to that, if you ever paid a blind bit of notice during any one of the conversations i have had with you, i make it pretty fucking clear that while i admired the attempt, they went pretty badly wrong in several places and given the opportunity i would rather see something different emerge. either you switch off when anyone other than yourself talks or, more likely, you've conveniently neglected to mention that fact so you can make some hilarious allegation to divert attention from your shameless southern apologism.

p.s. i hope you don't for a second think america is/was any better, because it is demonstrably not. remember when americans would gather the whole family for a fun day out, watching innocent black people get hung half to death and then slashed and set on fire because juries wouldn't convict whites, along with all the rest of the town?

when was that, the 1700s? 1800s? oh no, that's right, the 19 fucking 60s.

in the south.


"my grandfather was an ss einsatzgruppe commando, this giant flag w/ ss runes and a totenkopf is just to display my pride in my heritage, you see"


quite the opposite, i know many intelligent and reasonable southerners. to a man they all agree that the south was in the wrong during the civil war, that it was, in fact, a CIVIL war and not one of 'northern aggression', and that those who prance around trying to make some kind of cutesy hick culture out of the artefacts of a horrific stain upon america's image are either idiots, apologists, flat-out racists, or some combination thereof.


blah blah blah. we were just reacting to them damn union oppressors, man, why you gotta be down on the south????

it's like a broken record, every time the issue comes up the union becomes the devil and the csa a pure and righteous band of freedom-lovers (blacks need not apply) who were just fighting to protect what was right, man, it wasn't about slavery at all

seriously that bullshit has been disproven again and again and again and only clings onto its existence because people like those posting in this thread are so goddamn up themselves they can't recognise the failings of their 'heritage' and actually act accordingly. saying "YEAH MAN SLAVERY WAS WRONG" doesn't fucking fix anything, it just cheapens the whole thing. if you really think slavery was wrong, quit defending people who fly a flag that is synonymous with slavery.


exactly, and i don't see how a stupid fucking flag comes into that at all. come up with a new one, one that doesn't immediately scream 'AVOID THIS PERSON THEY ARE PROBABLY AN INSANE RIGHT WING RACIST' to notherners, foreigners, and fuck, just about anyone that doesn't also insist on waving the goddamn thing around at every opportunity.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120712181610/roblox/images/5/57/There-is-no-need-to-be-upset-lawn-mower.gif

[t3h m00kz]

http://s14.postimage.org/a8uesqq7l/tumblr_mbcqyb4t1_Z1qir5qco1_500.jpg

[DarkHalo003]

"my grandfather was an ss einsatzgruppe commando, this giant flag w/ ss runes and a totenkopf is just to display my pride in my heritage, you see"


quite the opposite, i know many intelligent and reasonable southerners. to a man they all agree that the south was in the wrong during the civil war, that it was, in fact, a CIVIL war and not one of 'northern aggression', and that those who prance around trying to make some kind of cutesy hick culture out of the artefacts of a horrific stain upon america's image are either idiots, apologists, flat-out racists, or some combination thereof.


blah blah blah. we were just reacting to them damn union oppressors, man, why you gotta be down on the south????

it's like a broken record, every time the issue comes up the union becomes the devil and the csa a pure and righteous band of freedom-lovers (blacks need not apply) who were just fighting to protect what was right, man, it wasn't about slavery at all

seriously that bullshit has been disproven again and again and again and only clings onto its existence because people like those posting in this thread are so goddamn up themselves they can't recognise the failings of their 'heritage' and actually act accordingly. saying "YEAH MAN SLAVERY WAS WRONG" doesn't fucking fix anything, it just cheapens the whole thing. if you really think slavery was wrong, quit defending people who fly a flag that is synonymous with slavery.


exactly, and i don't see how a stupid fucking flag comes into that at all. come up with a new one, one that doesn't immediately scream 'AVOID THIS PERSON THEY ARE PROBABLY AN INSANE RIGHT WING RACIST' to notherners, foreigners, and fuck, just about anyone that doesn't also insist on waving the goddamn thing around at every opportunity.
You missed my point entirely. I'm not defending the flag. I think it's stupid to begin with. I'm defending the people who see it not as a symbol of human slavery and ignorance, but as a sense of cultural heritage. You simply read the "government reacting to the North" part and didn't read on where I stated that many Southerners at that time did not agree with the CSA nor the secession. Those Southerners see the flag as an entity unrelated to slavery and aggressive secession because they ultimately decided to cultivate it as their remaining sense of identity as Southerners, since their respective states seceded with them in it. I'm not making that "the North oppressed the South" shpeel that's so commonly made by many different individuals. I'm stating the importance of individuals who lived in the CSA, even though they did not accept the ideals and motives of the CSA in its entirety, but stayed regardess because that was their home and heritage. To those people, that flag represents that Southern heritage to them. Even if it means to many as a result of years of condemnation from public imaging, it does have a double-meaning to many bloodlines as something completely unrelated to slavery/CSA's poorer intentions. Unfortunately, that side is never brandished by the media, thus all we think of when we see the blasted flag is the concept of human slavery or the Civil War. There is indeed a different side to it than most people think, especially because many of those who saw it as such were bystanders shuffled into a civil war they had no desire to start, let alone secede from the Union of the United States of America.

[Warsaw]

Ross: I was not arguing that it had nothing to do with slavery. I was merely stating that slavery wasn't the entire reason for being of the CSA. That said, you have made my point for me; it is all about how you decide to interpret the symbology. To millions of people, the banner of the USSR is a horrid and evil thing. The same can be said for the Stars and Bars. That doesn't mean that the original ideals were evil, just that the atrocities committed in the name of them were.

And it's not horse-shit. I told you why they went to war. You seem to have a total lack of knowledge on the Civil War. The North trying to ban slavery was a catalyst, and it was so for economic reasons. The North was also setting for stipulations that any new territory joining the Union had to follow their rules, which was essentially fixing the vote in Congress. No hope of a coalition with other states for the South.

And yes, I do pay attention to our conversations, and that's why I always lambaste you. You claim that the only way to get a message across [to the idiots of the internet and the world, as you say] is to be extreme, but you can't even keep your messages straight. You always sound like an ignorant troll who will just shoot down any idea that conflicts with your increasingly narrow points of view. Anybody who then tries to remind you of how narrow you are being you then shut out, call names, and make badposts at. The only one who is using hyperbole and horseshit, to commandeer your phrasing, is you. Every. Single. Time. You. Post. Period.

And I'm not arguing any points for the USA. All I said was that you should, kindly, stop being a John Kerry with your rhetoric.

[PopeAK49]

You should argue more about the 100 dollar bill than the flag....

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I00005xnfQOIPHF0/s/650/650/Confederate-100-bill.jpg

[Rainbow Dash]

HZqFc1QbYrs

[rossmum]

Ross: I was not arguing that it had nothing to do with slavery. I was merely stating that slavery wasn't the entire reason for being of the CSA. That said, you have made my point for me; it is all about how you decide to interpret the symbology. To millions of people, the banner of the USSR is a horrid and evil thing. The same can be said for the Stars and Bars. That doesn't mean that the original ideals were evil, just that the atrocities committed in the name of them were.
sorry, but yes it does. the original ideals were the states wanting to keep slavery going. the csa would not have existed, or at least not in that form, were it not for their desire to maintain slavery.


And it's not horse-shit. I told you why they went to war. You seem to have a total lack of knowledge on the Civil War. The North trying to ban slavery was a catalyst, and it was so for economic reasons. The North was also setting for stipulations that any new territory joining the Union had to follow their rules, which was essentially fixing the vote in Congress. No hope of a coalition with other states for the South.
this is odd since 90% of the americans i speak to here and elsewhere will state in no uncertain terms that anyone who thinks the war wasn't about slavery is either an apologist or doesn't know what they're talking about.

ps, it doesn't matter what fucking petty sub-reason it was about, it was still about slavery. economic or moral it makes no fucking difference, you cannot justify it. that's like people saying it was about 'property rights' without bothering to address the fact that said 'property' was other human beings.


And yes, I do pay attention to our conversations, and that's why I always lambaste you. You claim that the only way to get a message across [to the idiots of the internet and the world, as you say] is to be extreme, but you can't even keep your messages straight.
alternately you are just really fucking terrible at reading the difference between serious posts, semi-serious posts where i am deliberately being extreme, and complete joke posts (several of which you have already made serious replies to and apparently still failed to realise their nature)


You always sound like an ignorant troll who will just shoot down any idea that conflicts with your increasingly narrow points of view.
i'm not the person trying to justify the south's causing of a massive civil war because they were mad they wouldn't be able to trade in slavery any more, and also not the person who comes up with increasingly disturbing arguments which have already been shot down by the vast majority of people both american and foreign


Anybody who then tries to remind you of how narrow you are being you then shut out, call names, and make badposts at. The only one who is using hyperbole and horseshit, to commandeer your phrasing, is you. Every. Single. Time. You. Post. Period.
oh, so that's why you made a hilariously stupid parallel between the csa and ussr which anyone can tell was neither justified nor even relevant, trying to call me out just because i, like most people, don't swallow the bullshit line about the csa being anything but completely in the wrong and entirely deserving of being put in their place?

consider yourself lucky i guess, because if i was in charge over there i would see to it that none of those states be allowed to have the csa flag featured anywhere in their official state flags, and would see all csa monuments with provocatively-worded dedications rededicated to the soldiers and not the bullshit cause


And I'm not arguing any points for the USA. All I said was that you should, kindly, stop being a John Kerry with your rhetoric.
and yet you are the one spewing forth the same crap i have seen shot down a thousand times before. the war was about slavery, plain and simple, and anyone who says otherwise is trying to whitewash history and dilute the meaning of a symbol of that down to some cutesy southern culture bullshit instead of what it really is, an icon of bigotry and hatred, regardless of what people want to think it is.

all this has done is confirmed my suspicion that not only do many of the southern states maintain a superficial link to the csa by perpetuating the symbols it left behind, but they make zero effort to prevent revisionist history from being impressed into younger generations even to this day.

[TVTyrant]

Niggers aren't people or else we'd be able to breed with them

hth

[rossmum]

omg so edgy and funny its like im really posting on 4chan!!!!!

[TVTyrant]

omg so edgy and funny its like im really posting on 4chan!!!!!
:iamafag:

That was the feel I intended, /b/ro

[PopeAK49]

History books brainwashed us all.

Good and evil can't go by itself without an equal.

[Amit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20&feature=player_embedded

So who's voting for this guy again? Idiots? Gotcha.

[DarkHalo003]

I'm glad I'm voting for neither. They're both absolutely detrimental, maybe not in the same way, but detrimental regardless. Inb4 Rossmum says I'm wrong.

[neuro]

youre a nigger

[Amit]

I'm glad I'm voting for neither. They're both absolutely detrimental, maybe not in the same way, but detrimental regardless. Inb4 Rossmum says I'm wrong.

Well we already know Obama is going to win so you might as well just vote and make it official for yourself.

[=sw=warlord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE

[PopeAK49]

Well we already know Obama is going to win so you might as well just vote and make it official for yourself.

Why waste the time when it is already pointless?

[jcap]

FYI Obama is getting his ass kicked in the polls right now. For the first time since the beginning of the presidential campaign, Obama is trailing Romney http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

And Obama lost his major lead in Ohio. And got raped in Florida.

[Tnnaas]

Clearly we've all stepped through a temporal rift into an alternate universe where an idiot is going to win the presidency.

Oh wait, nevermind, that's just America snapping back to old priorities. Still thirsty for some chocolate milk though.

[Kornman00]

FYI Obama is getting his ass kicked in the polls right now. For the first time since the beginning of the presidential campaign, Obama is trailing Romney http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

And Obama lost his major lead in Ohio. And got raped in Florida.
Is this information based on the 'popular' vote? Because we all know that doesn't count worth shit

[Timo]

FYI Obama is getting his ass kicked in the polls right now. For the first time since the beginning of the presidential campaign, Obama is trailing Romney http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

And Obama lost his major lead in Ohio. And got raped in Florida.

Haha,

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dis-gon-b-gud.gif

I can't wait for Mitt to get elected

[Higuy]

FYI Obama is getting his ass kicked in the polls right now. For the first time since the beginning of the presidential campaign, Obama is trailing Romney http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

And Obama lost his major lead in Ohio. And got raped in Florida.

happy face

[PopeAK49]

I guess that is why Mitt has the advantage of focusing completely on his campaign while Obama has to work his job as 'current' president and his re-election at the same time.

Mitt will have the advantage only because of that. But yes, he is shitting on Obama's face.

[rossmum]

Haha,

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dis-gon-b-gud.gif

I can't wait for Mitt to get elected
it isn't going to be good because as the us is the dominant superpower, having a retarded conservative fuckstick and corporate shill in charge of the country is going to fuck us all hard

[Warsaw]

Obama is a corporate shill...just not a retarded liberal fuckstick instead of a retarded conservative one.

Frankly, I don't see how either result is a good thing.

[rossmum]

obama will fuck the country (and the rest of the world) up far less than romney will. no, or slow, progress is better than actively fucking going back into the dark ages, something every conservative candidate for the last decade or three has made a serious attempt at doing.

i don't support obama in the sense most people do, i just see it as a lesser of two evils choice, and the lesser is pretty fucking blindingly obvious to anyone who isn't so infected by dogma and idiocy they actually believe the shit fox tells them to.

acting like there is any alternative (while still working within the existing framework) is a fucking joke. independents are all either batshit insane, or in the case they aren't, lack the necessary support to get anywhere. the only way to beat the two-party system is to not play, then destroy it. i know you like to think people will magically see the light, but they will not. even in normal countries it usually takes decades or even centuries for small shifts in thinking, in one as fucked up and divisive as the us it straight up won't happen. the ruling classes have everyone by the balls and yet 99% of the population just laps it up. fox, msnbc, it makes no fucking difference - they are feeding you different flavours of the same bullshit.

[Warsaw]

I think "lesser of two evils" is flawed thinking, but at the moment I don't know of anybody better who is actually running.

The reason independents are a joke is because everybody thinks they are a joke. However, support for the Democrats and Republicans is getting less and less fervent if the rabble around me is to be believed, so eventually we'll have a break-through. Or we'll have a revolution.

[t3h m00kz]

it isn't going to be good because as the us is the dominant superpower, having a retarded conservative fuckstick and corporate shill in charge of the country is going to fuck us all hard

that gave me a narb ross

[PopeAK49]

Ross is just saying that retards are going to fuck us all in the assholes...

[rossmum]

I think "lesser of two evils" is flawed thinking,
yes and no.

if you let it take over to the point where you abandon your principles completely, then yeah, it's flawed. but to try and demand z from a binary choice of x and y, and risk the worst of those two happening as a result of basically disqualifying yourself having your say, is just as bad.

can't rebuild if there's nothing left to build from.

[neuro]

please let romney be president, please let romney be president, please let romney be president.

it'll be the same hillarity if sarah palin were to become president.


basically the whole world would take it as the last straw that america is simply not even worth bothering with anymore.

[Amit]

On the Rumble 2012: O'Reilly vs Stewart, Bill said that he was sure a third major party would pop up soon. That's just bullshit, right?

[DarkHalo003]

On the Rumble 2012: O'Reilly vs Stewart, Bill said that he was sure a third major party would pop up soon. That's just bullshit, right?
I'm pretty sure. Bill said right after the show that the entire episode was for comedic, entertainment purposes. He and Stewart even had dinner right afterwards, so it's probably just there to entertain.

[Kornman00]

On the Rumble 2012: O'Reilly vs Stewart, Bill said that he was sure a third major party would pop up soon. That's just bullshit, right?
Then right after that John reminded that there already is one, and their candidate is Gary Johnson (http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/) :mech2:

[TVTyrant]

please let romney be president, please let romney be president, please let romney be president.

it'll be the same hillarity if sarah palin were to become president.


basically the whole world would take it as the last straw that america is simply not even worth bothering with anymore.
Now, you might think that, but...

[rossmum]

On the Rumble 2012: O'Reilly vs Stewart, Bill said that he was sure a third major party would pop up soon. That's just bullshit, right?
pretty well. major third parties don't happen in two-party systems because one side or the other will swallow up any successful minor party before it gets to that stage.

the major parties in a two-party system are not in it for the people, they are in it for themselves. they will do whatever it takes to consolidate power, including actively destroying any hope of serious alternative choices. look at minor parties here - none of them have made it to the point where they are a serious thing, even one nation, and of course it would be an inherently racist, awful alternative that australians would go for over things like the secular party and so on.

both major parties can be assumed to be corrupt just by the fact they are the players in a two-party system. expect nothing good from either of them. the entire concept of parties is a blight upon democracy and politics in general; they just fuck everything up and ought to be abolished utterly.


Now, you might think that, but...
yeah, the fact that britain, australia, canada, and several other respectable first-world nations are literally at america's beck and call despite its blatant acts of war in its own self-interest, its absolutely fucked foreign and domestic policies, its complete lack of world experience, and its shitty economy says quite a lot about how much the world is willing to 'bother with' america.

fuck i wish the commonwealth and/or eu would man up and tell america to fuck itself and clean up its own messes. they have the collective strength to do it, there is literally no reason not to.

[TVTyrant]

yeah, the fact that britain, australia, canada, and several other respectable first-world nations are literally at america's beck and call despite its blatant acts of war in its own self-interest, its absolutely fucked foreign and domestic policies, its complete lack of world experience, and its shitty economy says quite a lot about how much the world is willing to 'bother with' america.

fuck i wish the commonwealth and/or eu would man up and tell america to fuck itself and clean up its own messes. they have the collective strength to do it, there is literally no reason not to.
Lol Britain is totes respectable with their horrendous (for size of country) debt and horrible history of war profiteering. Never forget that America didn't even know what was happening at the Suez Canal.

But yeah, I kind of wish we'd all go isolationist for a while. It'd be way healthier for everyone else as well as for America.

[rossmum]

they are somewhat more respectable these days since they kind of don't do the empire thing quite so much, are far left of america (mind you that isn't saying much, your average 1920s/1930s fascist dictatorship is left of america), and have always been at least several decades ahead of america socially, if not more. reminder: the uk abolished slavery in the 18th century, it took you guys another half-century and a civil war to do it over there.

america won't go isolationist. it needs global influence and imperialism to maintain its little capitalist empire. the only way it will stop fucking the rest of the planet up for everybody else is if the rest of the world stops killing each other for ten minutes and unites against america, presenting them with a cold war scenario they cannot win. that won't happen either, because the rest of the world are either too poor or fractured to care or, in the case of the first world, too fucking cowardly and greedy for americabux.

[TVTyrant]

Or they don't ever have the ability of doing something because they're scared of us. We're the new Soviet empire, except there is no America to save you all. You're all so dreadfully fucked, working your 60 hour a week jobs while we ride around on rascal scooters laughing in your faces with our fat fingers, pissing ourselves yelling at our TVs while we watch the modernly dumbed down version of American football. Then we can say we're all so smart and athletic while the best steroid technicians in the world train our Olympians to new heights, and our scientists that we buy from Germany build awesome space stuff. And you all can do nothing about it. Because you're you. And we're U.S.

[Tnnaas]

:gar:

[rossmum]

bad analogy, nobody in western europe ever needed saving from the soviets. stalin had already decided he had enough to worry about with the existing ussr and satellites by 1945, and post-stalin none of the leaders were anywhere near as insane.

wait, you're gimmick posting, aren't you

i was all excited for a minute there <:mad:>

[Warsaw]

yes and no.

if you let it take over to the point where you abandon your principles completely, then yeah, it's flawed. but to try and demand z from a binary choice of x and y, and risk the worst of those two happening as a result of basically disqualifying yourself having your say, is just as bad.

can't rebuild if there's nothing left to build from.

That logic only works if it's truly a binary choice. It isn't. It's an illusion of binary choice, brought forward by the above type of thinking.

[rossmum]

there are two options. they are broadly similar, but not exactly the same. it is still a binary choice, even if it is a largely pointless one.

[Warsaw]

There are more options than D and R...but people thinking they will never win ensures that they will indeed never win. That's an illusion that the Ds and Rs strive to maintain.

[Amit]

I'll just leave this here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=sasfm_fTuyQ

GG. Obama doesn't have a chance with these things in play.

[rossmum]

There are more options than D and R...but people thinking they will never win ensures that they will indeed never win. That's an illusion that the Ds and Rs strive to maintain.
there are not. this is the case because any upcoming threat to the system is either consumed by one of the two major parties, or they simply amp up their kinda-sorta-false dichotomy to draw attention away from it. it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if there are supposedly 'other options' if the overwhelming majority of the population neither knows nor cares.

until such time as you destroy the two-party system, and indeed the party system in general, you will not see the results you desire. as soon as you take the focus away from the individual representative and place it on a large body, it also removes all responsibility and gives that group an incentive to maintain its own power, not actually do anything useful.


I'll just leave this here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=sasfm_fTuyQ

GG. Obama doesn't have a chance with these things in play.
i'm not sure if i'd take this at face value without any further research, but it honestly would not surprise me one bit, so ruling it out or downplaying the danger would be just as irresponsible. bullshit like this is why we need more regulation, not less like libertarians would have you believe. corporations are your enemy, not the government - the government is no longer the big boy in the relationship, and those with money and power will fix the game to ensure their own personal bitch - in this case romney - gets in and gives them free reign to fuck everyone over for profit.

[TVTyrant]

bad analogy, nobody in western europe ever needed saving from the soviets. stalin had already decided he had enough to worry about with the existing ussr and satellites by 1945, and post-stalin none of the leaders were anywhere near as insane.

wait, you're gimmick posting, aren't you

i was all excited for a minute there <:mad:>
Come on, you didn't even think that was funny?

[rossmum]

i may have smirked

[TVTyrant]

i may have smirked
Didn't even think the Rascal scooter part was good?

[rossmum]

yeah fair do, that bit was pretty well-done

[TVTyrant]

yeah fair do, that bit was pretty well-done
Man, I was hoping to gain copypasta status from that shit. Looks like its back to the ole drawing board...

[Warsaw]

Ross, it does matter. As long as there is POTENTIAL for it to go a different way, it matters. Until such a time where Democrats and Republicans outlaw any other options, it matters. Once upon a time the "two-party system" was composed of Federalists and Anti-Federalists, Whigs, Democratic-Republicans...

Something happened that fractured those old parties and allowed new ones to form or move in. Stop being such a cynic, the current ones have been sowing the seeds of their own imminent destruction since at least 2004. Change takes time, as fervent Obama supporters are so fond of reminding everybody.

You can break down the US system as it is into "the popular party" and "the party who has the best chance of upstaging the popular party." The Democrats have been the popular party (ironic, considering Democrats were the ones affiliated with the KKK and put them into government positions after the Civil War...) and the younger GOP (another irony in that name) is the upstaging party. The Democratic party has shown many signs of cracking, and so has the GOP. The GOP passed its test when it held together despite a chunk breaking away to form the Tea Party. The Democrats have yet to have their test and it will probably end badly for them. So, you'll end up with the GOP carrying on for a little while longer and a new upstart challenging them. Then the GOP will die and a new party will challenge the former upstart. No amount of corporate scheming can prevent this cycle from happening. Whether it occurs peacefully or with violence, it will happen.

[rossmum]

Ross, it does matter. As long as there is POTENTIAL for it to go a different way, it matters.
and i am telling you, that potential is right up there with the potential for you to quantum tunnel through a door if you run at it and hope for the best enough times


Until such a time where Democrats and Republicans outlaw any other options, it matters.
it's cute that you think you need to outlaw an option to effectively banish any possibility of its occurrence. news flash: you don't.


Once upon a time the "two-party system" was composed of Federalists and Anti-Federalists, Whigs, Democratic-Republicans...
yes, once upon a time. these slowly amalgamated, snowballing into giant amoebas that simply ate up any threat to their power. this is what happens when you have a party-centric system, it becomes about the parties themselves and not about actual, genuine politics. it's just a power game. give a partisan system enough time and sooner or later, it will result in a two-party clusterfuck where any up-and-coming 'threats' will be absorbed or simply marginalised out of the public awareness.


Something happened that fractured those old parties and allowed new ones to form or move in. Stop being such a cynic, the current ones have been sowing the seeds of their own imminent destruction since at least 2004. Change takes time, as fervent Obama supporters are so fond of reminding everybody.
at the current rate, we don't have the time to play with. as a species, sure, but the planet isn't quite so hardy as we are.


You can break down the US system as it is into "the popular party" and "the party who has the best chance of upstaging the popular party." The Democrats have been the popular party (ironic, considering Democrats were the ones affiliated with the KKK and put them into government positions after the Civil War...) and the younger GOP (another irony in that name) is the upstaging party. The Democratic party has shown many signs of cracking, and so has the GOP. The GOP passed its test when it held together despite a chunk breaking away to form the Tea Party. The Democrats have yet to have their test and it will probably end badly for them. So, you'll end up with the GOP carrying on for a little while longer and a new upstart challenging them. Then the GOP will die and a new party will challenge the former upstart. No amount of corporate scheming can prevent this cycle from happening. Whether it occurs peacefully or with violence, it will happen.
even assuming your best-case scenario does happen, and the major parties do fall apart, what benefit does that bring? instead of two different flavours of the same thing, it will be twenty different flavours and maybe a handful of actually different things entirely. as long as parties are recognised in government, that is what politics will be about, not solving actual problems.

[Warsaw]

The potential is much higher than you give it credit for. People over here are very fed up with the current two options over here, I can tell you that as fact. They haven't been presented with an alternative they like yet, but somebody is going to catch on and provide one very soon.

It's also cute that you think probability is interchangeable with possibility because *quantum mechanics.* Newsflash: that only applies in application when your probability is astronomically small, and the probability of a third party showing up to the fight in a major way is far far greater than that, because...

...you don't know anything about the people of the USA, today. You don't give the rate of change here enough credit, and that's because you are only able to view the events through whatever filters in via the various media you use. I live here, and I can tell you that it's not as cut and dry as you like to think it is. I wouldn't pretend to dictate to you how your own society is dealing with its politics, so don't try to dictate to me what's going on over here when I have a much firmer grasp of it than you could possibly (look, there's that word again) have unless you have been living here over the last 4 years.

As for the last bit, those parties that broke up? Yeah, they slowly consolidate into new coalitions, which turn into new parties. You are left with two new parties. That said, it's funny you put it like that. Does the UK not have a multitude of parties? Is the UK not, by your own definition, decades ahead of the USA? Does the UK get work done, or do they squabble all day? No matter how you answer any of that, you make my case for me.

[Timo]

Fuck, the bolded text is coming out in force. Shit is getting serious. Where is textrat when you need him.

[Amit]

Quiet, Timo! You've said too much already!

In related news, Romney: ‘We Don’t Have People Who Die Because They Don’t Have Insurance’

(http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/11/990281/romney-uninsured-hospital/?mobile=nc)This guy talks like the emergency room will save you 100% of the time, which it won't for people who are seriously ill and had no previous access to treatment.

[rossmum]

The potential is much higher than you give it credit for. People over here are very fed up with the current two options over here, I can tell you that as fact. They haven't been presented with an alternative they like yet, but somebody is going to catch on and provide one very soon.
you and i and probably several others here are idealists, all in our own ways. this makes us fundamentally different from your average citizen in a number of ways.

in this case, the relevant example is that we consider there to be vast, overarching problems with the system which cannot be solved by electing one party over the other. most people, meanwhile, think in terms of "x party created this problem" and "y party can solve it". this will not be changed by more parties, it will just broaden the argument slightly. at the end of the day, another two (or maybe three, by some miracle) major players will emerge from that and we've gotten absolutely nowhere.

parties are holding us back, just like your entire system of government is. ours is too, but it strikes me as easier to restructure into something worthwhile than the clusterfuck you have.


It's also cute that you think probability is interchangeable with possibility because *quantum mechanics.* Newsflash: that only applies in application when your probability is astronomically small, and the probability of a third party showing up to the fight in a major way is far far greater than that, because...

...you don't know anything about the people of the USA, today. You don't give the rate of change here enough credit, and that's because you are only able to view the events through whatever filters in via the various media you use. I live here, and I can tell you that it's not as cut and dry as you like to think it is. I wouldn't pretend to dictate to you how your own society is dealing with its politics, so don't try to dictate to me what's going on over here when I have a much firmer grasp of it than you could possibly (look, there's that word again) have unless you have been living here over the last 4 years.
i don't base this on media, i base this on talking to people from all over the country. if people were anywhere near as enlightened as you are making out, this thread would not exist to begin with.

out of all my friends in the us, and all the americans i speak to regularly, a meagre handful of you have political ideals outside of the two major parties. some of my left-wing friends will generally agree with me when i get taken up with a sudden bout of socialist fury, but ten minutes later they're fanboying for the dems again.

i haven't really heard anyone claim any significant change is coming. i've heard the republicans are falling apart at the seams as they alienate more centre-right voters, which i can see happening here with the liberals (conservatives, remember) as well, but that won't fix a damn thing. voting for independents won't fix anything unless everyone votes for the "right" one, which is highly unlikely. you are far too optimistic for your own good. you cannot win a fixed game.


As for the last bit, those parties that broke up? Yeah, they slowly consolidate into new coalitions, which turn into new parties. You are left with two new parties. That said, it's funny you put it like that. Does the UK not have a multitude of parties?yes, it has loads. so does australia. in both cases, none of the small parties make a blind bit of difference unless there's a hung parliament. the overwhelming majority of votes go to the two major parties.


Is the UK not, by your own definition, decades ahead of the USA? Does the UK get work done, or do they squabble all day? No matter how you answer any of that, you make my case for me.
how do i? all it does is illustrate how horrifically broken the current form of the democratic system is.

[=sw=warlord]

As for the last bit, those parties that broke up? Yeah, they slowly consolidate into new coalitions, which turn into new parties. You are left with two new parties. That said, it's funny you put it like that. Does the UK not have a multitude of parties? Is the UK not, by your own definition, decades ahead of the USA? Does the UK get work done, or do they squabble all day? No matter how you answer any of that, you make my case for me.
The very fact that smaller running parties can collect together to become a coalition is one defining change from what the seemingly binary voting system you guys seem to have.
Not only that but we also have watchdog groups which over see certain aspects of government and authoritative organizations which you yourself stated you don't have.

On note of probability, just because it's possible for a third party to jump in on your elections does not give them a probable chance of obtaining any form of formal election.
When you have members of one part or another who are benefactors of the corporations who create voting machines and then account into the fact that "donations" put into the marketing results in hundreds of millions of dollars, it becomes very unlikely, thus improbable that a third party can simply waltz into the election and gain a win.
To give some form of analogy, It would be kin to a canoe with a monkey sat in the back with a pistol shooting at the USS Iowa and expecting it to be able to sink the Iowa.

[rossmum]

Also the pistol is a Lorcin.

[TVTyrant]

Also the pistol is a Lorcin.
hehe

[Timo]

Guys I just finished studying it out, turns out Obama really is a communist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2E87gciwebw

[Rainbow Dash]

if fucking only

[Amit]

Notice how she herself didn't even know what a communist is?

[Rainbow Dash]

Notice how she herself didn't even know what a communist is?

well obviously anyone who thinks Obama is a communist wouldn't know what a communist was loll

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/santorumblowjob.jpg

[DarkHalo003]

Now one thing I have come to realize in terms of our parents' generation is that the reason why a lot of them don't like Obama and call him a negative socialist/communist is because, growing up, our parents were faced with harsh living in that the "evil" USSR lived by those standards. Then there's the fact that the USSR collapsed utilizing those same ideals (even though it's because the West spent them to death, or something like that, plus internal issues), so going a Socialist/Communist route for a lot of these people brings Cold War Era trauma.

[Bobblehob]

Looks like he is enjoying his c (http://bit.ly/RDpTQt)reamy brown rod... anyways, I t (http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2700/mynewconfederateflag.jpg)hink this is relevant to the lady in that video...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIri9YLHpOg

[Patrickssj6]

Now one thing I have come to realize in terms of our parents' generation is that the reason why a lot of them don't like Obama and call him a negative socialist/communist is because, growing up, our parents were faced with harsh living in that the "evil" USSR lived by those standards.

No. It's because words in America like "freedom,liberty,socialist,communist" are a big part of social linguistic. Those words have been modified by society/politics to reflect far more than their own definition.

Ever noticed the over-usage of words like "our right, freedom, protection, safety, liberty, honor, communist" in movies/politics/news? A fucking effective way to manipulate society.

[DarkHalo003]

No. It's because words in America like "freedom,liberty,socialist,communist" are a big part of social linguistic. Those words have been modified by society/politics to reflect far more than their own definition.

Ever noticed the over-usage of words like "our right, freedom, protection, safety, liberty, honor, communist" in movies/politics/news? A fucking effective way to manipulate society.
You're right, but so am I. I was talking about how capitalism is a double-edged sword to my father and how it needs to be modified to be efficient as possible. As I continued with how it's kind of becoming more dangerous as time goes on, my father straight up asks me in a serious tone "Are you socialist?" I'm not and said nothing for about 5 seconds then he's like "You can't be a socialist. People can't live off of the government." What you're saying isn't wrong, it's absolutely right, but I was pointing out a potential reason for so much discontent with Socialism/Communism in the United States.

[Rainbow Dash]

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[rossmum]

Notice how she herself didn't even know what a communist is?
very few people do any more, it's often used as a catchall for 'things conservatives don't like'


Now one thing I have come to realize in terms of our parents' generation is that the reason why a lot of them don't like Obama and call him a negative socialist/communist is because, growing up, our parents were faced with harsh living in that the "evil" USSR lived by those standards. Then there's the fact that the USSR collapsed utilizing those same ideals (even though it's because the West spent them to death, or something like that, plus internal issues), so going a Socialist/Communist route for a lot of these people brings Cold War Era trauma.
it's more a case of extremely effective propaganda (mostly on the part of the united states, and to a lesser degree america junior, being australia) being shoved down their throats and the throats of their parents, which led them to believe that 'the communists' were bad people who wanted to murder and rape their women and children and force them all to work hard labour until they dropped dead. seriously, people think the soviet union was good at propaganda? they didn't have shit on the united states, and the us is only getting better at it, too. these days it's so subtle almost nobody stops to question it. ever wonder why they never show the lower classes as the 'hero' characters in any mainstream television series, and then bombard you with ads during breaks? drive through poorer districts and you'll see. the poor bastards are blowing money they can't afford to spend on bullshit they don't need, thanks to the very subtle implication that they, too, can be a happy middle-class citizen living the American Dream (tm) if they buy a certain brand of car, television, or expensive beauty product.

many people who actually took the plunge and went to the ussr (but particularly those already firmly into left-wing politics, for obvious reasons) came back with a very different opinion about it. my mum went over in the 70s and while she was fairly shocked at how poor it was compared to the western world, everyone had a home, free education, free health, a steady job, all the things a human needs in their life. as a result, i have never heard her speak ill of the soviet union or communism in general.

my dad, who grew up in rural alberta during the height of the red scare, was a little worried when he noticed me take a drastic swing to the left, but after lengthy political discussion, it turns out we're actually not so different - we started bouncing ideas off each other at one point. he's not really bothered by it now.

e/ it's my birthday and i'll make typos if i want to

[Rainbow Dash]

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fuck these are amazing

[DarkHalo003]

I fucking lol'd. At both of them.

[Rainbow Dash]

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[Amit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=M2WVJNxOpvY

Hahahahaha. Shameful. Look at all that hasty scrambling to scrub pots that were already clean to begin with.

Read more here (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57532807/charity-president-paul-ryan-did-nothing-at-soup-kitchen-photo-op/).

[CN3089]

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

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[=sw=warlord]

:XD:

[DarkHalo003]

LOL.

It's kind of just midslinging from Barack Obama's supporters though. Literally, the "get the facts" part leads to www.barackobama.com (http://www.barackobama.com).

[Amit]

Does is matter if it's completely true?

[Donut]

^didnt wanna be the first guy to mention that, but yeah. the only part of that site thats even remotely biased is the redirect to obama's site.

[DarkHalo003]

It was mainly a peevish thing and the concept of it that I wasn't pointing out. It could be true, but that doesn't dismiss the blatant bias behind it.

[CN3089]

The truth can't be biased.

[TVTyrant]

The truth can't be biased.
we have an winner

[rossmum]

The truth can't be biased.
b-but bill o'reilly said...

[EX12693]

YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT