2012 Presidency (USA)

[Kornman00]

Gonna dust off the heated modacity political discussions by asking who is supporting/voting for which candidate. Results are private to protect the innocent(ly stupid).

I, personally, think Obama is the lesser of two evils (since our fucking country is a goddamn two party system these days) in the grand scheme of things. The Romney campaign is a joke. Whose pants are on fire (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/08/mitt-romney-616-lies-in-33-weeks/).

[Donut]

i dont plan on voting, but if i had to, it would be for an independent. i was never crazy about obama, but romney is fucking nuts.

[Rainbow Dash]

All of them suck.

[Tnnaas]

Personally, I'd rather choose a disappointing president over a bat-shit crazy president. Seriously, Romney is screwed in the head.

I can't vote in this election, so it's not like it matters who I choose. Yet.

[n00b1n8R]

i dont plan on voting, but if i had to, it would be for an independent. i was never crazy about obama, but romney is fucking nuts.
You're a fucking moron, wasting privileges people in other countries literally kill for.

#compulsoryvotingstrengthensdemocracy

[STLRamsFan]

No idea... Give me more chooses (and better ones at that) than just two. Tired of this two party system.

[Limited]

Rick Perry!

I heard a funny line the other day - "Mitt Romney and Obama, different shit from the same asshole."

[Rainbow Dash]

You're a fucking moron, wasting privileges people in other countries literally kill for.

#compulsoryvotingstrengthensdemocracy

No, you're a fucking moron.

Forcing people to choose between two clowns doesn't improve anything.

[n00b1n8R]

No, you're a fucking moron.

Forcing people to choose between two clowns doesn't improve anything.
:stopposting:

[DarkHalo003]

i dont plan on voting, but if i had to, it would be for an independent. i was never crazy about obama, but romney is fucking nuts.
Please vote. Even if you void your ticket by writing-in someone, please vote.

I'm voting Romney for reasons that I can't honestly explain here, but so the Liberal-Nazis here don't pester me, I will say I am full-heartedly Independent and I think both sides are fucking stupid. I just simply do not think Obama and his cabinet are worth two shits, not saying Romney is much better. It's a Catch-22 really. I also hate these election threads because it turns into a shit storm of opinions and bigotry on both sides. I think our government is shitty anyways and frankly we have bigger issues than who is going to be the face of Americuh over the next 4 Years. Our Bureaucracy is fucking pile of shit and lawyers/banks/Congressman are running rampant. Romney will probably exacerbate them, but at least something productive might happen from it (like pulling out of this shitty economic situation). The point I'm making is that things are going to get worse before they can get better no matter which way you slice it. Obama and his cabinet are fucking idiots. The Republican party is a bunch of fucking idiots. The people of Americuh are a bunch of fucking idiots. Anyone who endorses either side IS a fucking idiot. So I hope you all catch my drift here.

And Sel, you don't have to vote between two guys. n00b is right.

[=sw=warlord]

Of the little I know about the republicans, voting for them would be akin to pulling teeth with pliers.

[TeeKup]

I'll be voting for the lesser of two evils. You know the one who won't set us back socially by 50 years.

[Kornman00]

I'm voting Romney for reasons that I can't honestly explain here, but so the Liberal-Nazis here don't pester me, I will say I am full-heartedly Independent and I think both sides are fucking stupid.
Then why not vote independent?

[Higuy]

All of them suck.

Pretty much this.

My personal theory:

Obama is a great social guy, he comes out 'nice', but he's not an amazing politican or economics type guy (at all)

Romney is great with economics and could probably help the country, but his social skills are terrible and can't relate to people what so ever.

Both of them are terrible though, and I can't vote anyway. I turn 18 in april :\

[=sw=warlord]

Pretty much this.

My personal theory:

Obama is a great social guy, he comes out 'nice', but he's not an amazing politican or economics type guy (at all)

Romney is great with economics and could probably help the country, but his social skills are terrible and can't relate to people what so ever.

Both of them are terrible though, and I can't vote anyway. I turn 18 in april :\

You know to be good at economics you need to have a basic grasp of fundamental mathematics right?
Romney does not have that.

[Tnnaas]

Both of them are terrible though, and I can't vote anyway. I turn 18 in april :\
No. Fucking. Way. Me too! :D

[DarkHalo003]

Then why not vote independent?
If you're referring to a Candidate backed by a party that is not one of the two major ones, or if you're referring to a candidate that's of the Independent Party, then I simply have to say that any candidate who proclaims he is Independent and yet is backed by a Political Party is no better than the rest. If you're referring to my being an independent and yet I am voting for Romney, it's simply not easy to explain why in a manner that you'd understand completely. However, as I stated, if I feel more and more it's just not righteous to vote for either two, then I will be writing in Chuck Norris in November.

@Warlord: Economics do not require as much mathematics if you were the President and could have more specialized individuals doing it for you. Economics requires a good grasp in fiscal and monetary matters, both I believe President Obama has little grasp of. Given Romney's history of economic accomplishments, I believe he is a better man for fixing a deteriorating Economy. He has the connections and strategies to make it possible. Obama does not.

As far as Romney degrading Domestic Policy, I think it's hoshposh. Not saying I don't care about a better Domestic situation in the U.S., I'm just saying that the concept is very overdramatic. I also simply do not think Domestic Policy will get worse after it has gotten better because it's not a matter of government in terms of prejudice or racial hatred, but a matter of people learning to be Tolerant. Even with Romney or any other traditionally conservative individual in office, the people will ultimately decide whether or not many of the social problems we face today will be resolved.

[=sw=warlord]

@Warlord: Economics do not require as much mathematics if you were the President and could have more specialized individuals doing it for you. Economics requires a good grasp in fiscal and monetary matters, both I believe President Obama has little grasp of. Given Romney's history of economic accomplishments, I believe he is a better man for fixing a deteriorating Economy. He has the connections and strategies to make it possible. Obama does not.


When I say basic maths I literally mean that.


In a speech in Lakeland, Florida, Romney said of the president, "He doubled the deficit." (http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/07/13731433-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxxiii?lite)
Maybe Romney doesn't know what "double" means. The deficit on Obama's first day was $1.3 trillion. Last year, it was also $1.3 trillion. This year, it's projected to be $1.1 trillion. (http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/07/13731433-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxxiii?lite)

No.16

[rossmum]

Pretty much this.

My personal theory:

Obama is a great social guy, he comes out 'nice', but he's not an amazing politican or economics type guy (at all)

Romney is great with economics and could probably help the country, but his social skills are terrible and can't relate to people what so ever.

Both of them are terrible though, and I can't vote anyway. I turn 18 in april :\
romney is not good with economics; paul ryan is even worse

[Tnnaas]

If Romney gets elected I'll bet it won't be three months before he's impeached and a tribunal takes place. He's such a compulsive liar!

Plus, Paul Ryan looks like is a weasel. :gonk:

EDIT: Mitt isn't even Romney's first name! It's Willard! That would be like me calling myself Mac Miles when my first name is David.
Middle name is McKenzie, don't give me shit for it.

[CN3089]

No, you're a fucking moron.

Forcing people to choose between two clowns doesn't improve anything.

selentic is wrong again!



e: also obama is the best thing to happen to america in a long time so if you don't vote for him you're probably really stupid ok well cya.

[DarkHalo003]

When I say basic maths I literally mean that.


No.16
And that information was given to him by the shitty ass Republican Tea Party. Most of the bullshit you hear about Obama or Romney is the result of a media or information bias twisted by the opposing side. It's really fucking sad. Mudslinging is always expected, but this year was probably the worst ever. Remember Herman Cain? All of those random shits thrown at him about affairs and what not? All of that has gone under and no more charges are being pressed. Why? He left the political scene. I can't blame him either: the American people are so gullible in regards to the media, especially when it's the opposing side, that there was literally no point in trying to pursue a political career when media frenzies occur.

Romney has a recorded Business Career and has been highly educated in Business. I believe in terms of Fiscal and Monetary Policy, Romney will do a lot better than Obama.

Regardless, the President also has little to no control over budgets. Most of that it allocated by Congress, which sucks right now no matter which side is in control.

And people, if Paul Ryan scares you then you're kind of acting stupid. The VP doesn't do shit and never really has unless the President takes his input, which we all know Romney is just using Ryan. The last effective VP we had was Cheney and that was because he was also our Secretary of Defense.

[Donut]

You're a fucking moron, wasting privileges people in other countries literally kill for.

#compulsoryvotingstrengthensdemocracy
so sorry if my decision on how i live my life offends you. i have the right to NOT vote too. i dont follow politics enough to really make an educated choice, therefore i will not add my opinion to the vote. if i were to vote without understanding why im choosing who im choosing... well, THEN id be a fucking moron.

[CN3089]

Romney has a recorded Business Career and has been highly educated in Business. I believe in terms of Fiscal and Monetary Policy, Romney will do a lot better than Obama.

Republican fiscal and economic policy has failed so many times it's farcical


do you not remember why the economy went into recession in the first place :ugh:

[Bodzilla]

never stop posting 58747CN

[DarkHalo003]

Republican fiscal and economic policy has failed so many times it's farcical


do you not remember why the economy went into recession in the first place :ugh:
You seem to be forgetting that I think the Republican party is fucking stupid. It's also apparent that Democratic policies of economic concerns have "failed" tremendously as well. You also don't seem to know how the Recession began and why it persists.

Fiscal and Monetary Policy has never caused a depression/recession because it cannot: it can only change the dynamics of a Recession/Depression already in place. Recessions/Depressions in an economy are caused by financial assets going under on the market. For example, what caused the current Recession in the U.S. was the Housing Market crashing as a result of people being foolish in how they spent their credit and how banks abused the fuck out of that. The Global Market has also stressed the U.S. Market more, persisting the effects of a reportedly fading Recession that's dissipating as they Banks realize they're running out of Obama-Bailout-Fund money and actually need their customers. Obama's persisted Bailout plan resulted in the Banks becoming even greater greedy fucks and that's why this shitfest of an economy has continued.

Also, if you're referring to the Republican Party economics being shitty historically, you better understand that both parties flip-flopped post-WW2. What I mean by that is that the Republican party became the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party became the Republican party. As far as recent republican economics being shitty, Bush's term's massive shit only began late 2006 into 2008 and it progressed from there with Obama. That means Bush had 1 and a half years of shitty economic standing out of 8. However, this is a generally mute point because the President nor affiliated Party can control the state of an economy unless the economy/Bureaucracy undergoes a tremendous change like it did in the 40s. I'm not saying this to support or defer any Party. The label is just a label.

Adding on, the economic policies of the U.S. need to take a conservative approach on this economic situation until we are assuredly in an expansion. Having a shitty "Obamacare" to tack on to the budget in 2014 is NOT helping a deteriorating economy. More Government jobs won't help either. It's reasons like these why I won't vote for Obama in November. He's not being careful enough with a fragile economy and is pursuing his party's ideals over the better strategies for repairing the country's flailing financial state. That decrease from 1.3 Trillion to 1.1 Trillion in debt is pigeon feed and isn't the result of Democratic or Liberal efforts. It's the result of an economy that's showing signs of healing, even it's still covered in 2nd Degree Burns.

[Rainbow Dash]

If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it

Sums it up nicely, very cute though how some of you actually believe that electing this politician or that politician actually matters for anything. You people are the reason our society has hardly progressed, and until you realize that we're still fucked regardless of who wins this election.

[Tnnaas]

I'd vote just to voice my opinion. The electoral college handles all that noise for choosing president. If it turns out I disagree with them, then fuck Kansas.

[CN3089]

Sums it up nicely, very cute though how some of you actually believe that electing this politician or that politician actually matters for anything. You people are the reason our society has hardly progressed, and until you realize that we're still fucked regardless of who wins this election.

selentic is wrong again!

[Warsaw]

Republican fiscal and economic policy has failed so many times it's farcical


do you not remember why the economy went into recession in the first place :ugh:

Because everybody and his dog thought economic growth could be sustained in perpetuity and sacrificed the future for the present.

:mech2:

[PopeAK49]

I don't vote for clowns.

In fact, it's annoying me when clowns tell me to vote for clownish acts or clownish people.

I mean, I'm at my college focused in my studies and you want to bother me with a meaningless petition?

/clown

PS. I'd rather vote for Jon Stewart only because he's entertaining in the way he exposes the media's ignorance and stupidity. It's how you say...A clown act.

//clown

[Kornman00]

However, as I stated, if I feel more and more it's just not righteous to vote for either two, then I will be writing in Chuck Norris in November.

Speaking of Chuck Norris: http://www.examiner.com/article/chuck-norris-accused-of-racism-after-warning-of-1-000-years-of-darkness

[n00b1n8R]

Complacency with being the apex predator has clearly affected Chuck's brain.


so sorry if my decision on how i live my life offends you. i have the right to NOT vote too. i dont follow politics enough to really make an educated choice, therefore i will not add my opinion to the vote. if i were to vote without understanding why im choosing who im choosing... well, THEN id be a fucking moron.
It's not that it offends me so much as it frightens me. To willfully refuse to educate yourself on and participate in important matters like this has become so common, that its being portrayed as a positive attribute with increasing frequency.

Even if you find that you believe no candidate is worthy of the position, you can at least vote to reduce the likelihood of the worse one being elected.

All votes are worth as much as anybody else's.

[rossmum]

selentic is wrong again!
depends how you look at it, policies change but the overall way shit goes doesn't. unless everyone is suddenly attacked by a bout of contagious idealism, the us, australia, and many other countries for that matter are stuck between two major parties, neither of which is able to genuinely improve things beyond a certain level

or worst case, everyone votes for ron paul and the us ends up with the worst person physically possible in charge of it

[DarkHalo003]

depends how you look at it, policies change but the overall way shit goes doesn't. unless everyone is suddenly attacked by a bout of contagious idealism, the us, australia, and many other countries for that matter are stuck between two major parties, neither of which is able to genuinely improve things beyond a certain level

or worst case, everyone votes for ron paul and the us ends up with the worst person physically possible in charge of it
Hey hey hey, Selentic IS wrong because voting can make a difference. It may not always be a good difference, but it can change somethings eh?

Mark Twain is awesome, but people also need to remember he was as big a drunk and as depressed as Hemingway (and vice versa). A lot of his stuff is going to sound ambiguous enough to be right a lot, but they can always be objected.

[rossmum]

the unfortunate truth about voting is that a large portion of the people either don't vote, or where it's compulsory like here, a large portion of the people who do vote are ignorant, poorly educated, and have little to no interest in politics beyond whatever soundbites were on the telly last week.

this is more a failure of our education system and culture as a whole, but it's still a problem regardless

[Donut]

my understanding has always been that the US election system works off of the electoral colleges, who are supposed to vote to represent the majority vote in their area. one person's vote wouldnt make a difference because the colleges ultimately decide, not the people. i dont remember what lead to me thinking that, but i remember it pissing me off in 2008 and leading me to say "fuck politics" even more than i already was.

that sounds stupid and wrong now that i actually think about it though.

E: i will say this though. that boring-as-fuck US history class i was in back in 2008 didnt even mention the voting process, despite being all about historical political figures and being an electoral year.

[rossmum]

i was just on the verge of posting 'the only good democracy is a direct democracy' but then i took two seconds to think about what that would do to the southern states and i immediately decided against saying it

democracy is fucking worthless without an educated, liberal-minded, and socially rich population

[DarkHalo003]

the unfortunate truth about voting is that a large portion of the people either don't vote, or where it's compulsory like here, a large portion of the people who do vote are ignorant, poorly educated, and have little to no interest in politics beyond whatever soundbites were on the telly last week.

this is more a failure of our education system and culture as a whole, but it's still a problem regardless
Yeah, no matter which way you look at it, people just bandwagon something or sit on their hands. It's really pathetic.

The Electoral College for each state is created by delegates that are elected to represent multiple regions of that state for the sake of making educated votes based on not only the feedback of the popular vote, but also the feedback from the needs of their regions. For example, in my state of Georgia there are 16 Delegate Votes for the Electoral College. Each vote is casted by a Delegate that represents a representative from different regions of the state. The Delegates receive information from their respective regions and representatives and base their decisions off of that. A Delegate connected to Atlanta's representative would probably go for a more liberal vote since it's a highly urbanized and less wealthy location where reform is often occurring. A Delegate connected to Savannah's representative would probably go for a more conservative vote since it's directly tied to an economic port and is in the lower of the state where conservative systems are working.

I accept the Electoral College on the notion that voters are relatively stupid half of the time and I'd rather have 16 intellectuals hopefully voting strategically for my interests than 10,000,000 blindly voting based off of bandwagons or ignorance. Simply put, I'd rather have 16 smart people having the important decisions based off of information they received than 10,000,000 stupid people vote their opinions.

I also just realized something. Rossmum, when you say "liberal-minded" you're referring to a different political meaning than the shitty one that our Democratic Party often contains. "Liberals" in our country are not by the same "liberal" term you probably know and respect. In short, a lot of liberals in our country are people who want big government, so they have to do less. I believe you are thinking that Liberals here correspond directly to the political philosophy of Liberalism. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

[PopeAK49]

i was just on the verge of posting 'the only good democracy is a direct democracy' but then i took two seconds to think about what that would do to the southern states and i immediately decided against saying it

democracy is fucking worthless without an educated, liberal-minded, and socially rich population

Laziness is also America's cancer.

[n00b1n8R]

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[rossmum]

I also just realized something. Rossmum, when you say "liberal-minded" you're referring to a different political meaning than the shitty one that our Democratic Party often contains. "Liberals" in our country are not by the same "liberal" term you probably know and respect. In short, a lot of liberals in our country are people who want big government, so they have to do less. I believe you are thinking that Liberals here correspond directly to the political philosophy of Liberalism. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
i am aware of the common meaning of the term 'liberal' in western and particularly american society, and i consider anyone who wants the government to vanish things they are scared of via ignorance to be simply a different flavour of conservative.

any time i say liberals in a non-disparaging way, i mean people who are willing to discuss things and try stuff out, not ban x because y.

[Tnnaas]

http://4.mshcdn.com/wp-content/gallery/clint-eastwood-chair-at-rnc/tumblr_m9lnbrobdp1qfrkf9o1_400.png

[Limited]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/09/article-2200754-14ED7D86000005DC-745_634x418.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/09/article-2200754-14ED9290000005DC-362_634x844.jpg

Thats your P and VP America.

[Tnnaas]

Biden looked creepy but I chuckled at the Obama picture.

[Limited]

Biden looked creepy but I chuckled at the Obama picture.
Yeah, sitting on his lap wtf? Two dudes by the sides didnt looked too pleased.

Picture of Obama is from a video heres a link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200754/Obama-gets-bear-hugged-day-reveals-Romneys-health-care-cost-retirees-60k-Medicare.html

P (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200754/Obama-gets-bear-hugged-day-reveals-Romneys-health-care-cost-retirees-60k-Medicare.html)robably planned but still, pretty crazy you see a citizen pick up the president.

[Amit]

Obama is strong.
Romney is wrong.

I'm not biased. That's just how it is.

[Kornman00]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/09/article-2200754-14ED7D86000005DC-745_634x418.jpg
:lmao:, his nickname is Troll

Also, she's not sitting on his lap you poof, she's in her own chair and he's leaning over

[Amit]

Another reason why voting for Romney would make you a moron: http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health.html

(http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health.html)He wants to be a good guy, but he's more greedy for power than greedy for a fair country.

[Kornman00]

Speaking of independent: http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-challenging-power-changing-politics/

[Tnnaas]

Another reason why voting for Romney would make you a moron: http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health.html

(http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health.html)He wants to be a good guy, but he's more greedy for power than greedy for a fair country.Maybe deep down he's morally correct (as an individual) but being surrounded by all his money and all these right-wings is getting him dizzy.

"This sounds like a good thing I can get in on. Oh no, wait. I love my money and my peers think it's a bad idea! I'm totally convinced that this is the wrong thing to do."

[Amit]

Jesus Christ. That's amazing.

[Kornman00]

Hey, he's gotta pay for his wife's horse ballarina bullshit somehow.

I wonder...if in whatever bizzaro world where he is elected, would said horse have protection via the Secret Service?

[DarkHalo003]

@Rossmum: That's what I thought. Thank you for confirming.

I hope you guys aren't voting for Obama just because he's doing some of these community things and is looking like a cool dude. Presidents have been doing that kind of stuff since the beginning. For you foreigners, he also has a media bias favoring him, so while he may not look like he has a lot of skeletons in his closet, digging can definitely help reveal them. Every candidate flip flops too, especially when you have multiple individuals interpreting and twisting phrases to fit that caption. I also want to state that the Democratic Party has been slandering Romney rather than mudslinging (this was proven a couple of weeks ago for some ads), so please double-check a lot of your references and make sure they are legit. Blogs do not count and are never formally accepted.

Honestly, I'm not voting for Obama because I dislike him. That'd be a retarded reason and even though I don't think he is qualified to succeed in pulling the nation out of this economic crisis, the President/Executive Branch does little to fix it anyways. No, the real reason I want a change in Incumbents is that the Democratic party is a shitstorm of bad eggs and shadiness.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/soft_on_wall_street_hLRbrpn9LH6QULzx47UcaI

Granted it is an editorial, but it does utilize historically accurate references to make its assertions. At least with the Republican party we're only dealing with legit idiots. Just given his circumstances, I just don't find Obama to be an effective enough President for this next term. Maybe if we had an expansion and the economy was good, I'd consider voting for him, but frankly the Dems are fucking up the scene and can't seem to get it through their skulls to work with their Republican rivals in Congress. God that sounds so fucked up just saying it.

[Cagerrin]

http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health.html
"But just as serious, this is all the more evidence that Mitt Romney simply believes in nothing."

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/veyveyr/MFW/romney_off_his_meds.jpg

[Bodzilla]

dark halo.

by any chance did you see bill clinton's speech?
you should because that was a 48 minute speech, where everything he said was proven to be true.

[Kornman00]

Both parties are a shitstorm of bad eggs and shadiness and both parties are to blame for not comprosing in Congress.

[Emmzee]

ron paul

[DarkHalo003]

dark halo.

by any chance did you see bill clinton's speech?
you should because that was a 48 minute speech, where everything he said was proven to be true.
That's cool, but Bill Clinton isn't the Democratic Candidate. Also, Democrats took office during expansions that began as Republican terms ended. Not to mention, as you seem to not grasp, the Economy is barely persuaded by the Executive and only a bit more by the Legislative since Congress has the capacity to edit budgets. That's it. Beyond takes on Fiscal and Monetary policy, both of which only change small percentages of the economy, the Government only influences the economy when they pump money into or directly affect the entities responsible for major financial assets (like the Automative Bailout or the Failout Funds for the Banks when the Housing Market crashed). Both sides can have true statements said over and over again regardless, but it still won't change the following:


Both parties are a shitstorm of bad eggs and shadiness and both parties are to blame for not comprosing in Congress.

My potential vote for Romney is a strategic one in which it's very apparent the current strategy is not working.

[Tnnaas]

Ron Paul 2012!

EDIT: Emmzee wins this round!

[Emmzee]

i think ron paul should get elected this year just to see what would happen

[rossmum]

Another reason why voting for Romney would make you a moron: http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health.html

(http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-flip-flops-4-times-on-health.html)He wants to be a good guy, but he's more greedy for power than greedy for a fair country.
thanks for reminding me of this. looks like he's not an inhuman automaton in a closed environment, but toeing the party line trumps all else (as it does here). it takes a very brave person to break ranks and tell their party to fuck off - the last guy who did it here lost his leadership of the liberals and got shoved into the most worthless position possible for it. now there's a fundamental catholic nutbar in charge, who is already proving to be both a clown and a pathological liar.


My potential vote for Romney is a strategic one in which it's very apparent the current strategy is not working.
your potential vote for romney is akin to shooting yourself in the balls and hoping for a ticket home.


i think ron paul should get elected this year just to see what would happen
please no, i couldn't stand it even from all the way over here

[Warsaw]

Vote Vermin Supreme.

In all seriousness, he's probably a better option than the current clowns we have a choice of. If I were forced at gunpoint (oh wai--) to pick one of the two big ones, I'd have to go with four more years of Obama just to see if he really does have a plan instead of wasting four years under Romney just trying to undo everything Obama tried.

[DarkHalo003]

^Vermin Supreme: Still a better candidate than the Two Part System could offer.



your potential vote for romney is akin to shooting yourself in the balls and hoping for a ticket home.



Drama queen. :mech:

In all seriousness, it's going to be another 4 years of stupidity regardless of who gets in office. Like I said, my singular vote is banking off of the hope that something will be done to help the economy. Also, Obama really didn't do much at all besides some better Domestic Policy (which obviously won't be reversed for civil reasons) and give us a large bill for the tax payers coming up in 2014 during a shitty economy. I hate the Democratic Party enough not to vote for Obama. However, if Obama from some miracle stated he would secede from the Democratic Party and be an Independent candidate, then I'd be inclined to vote for him a bit more or at least definitely write-in Chuck Norris.

[Warsaw]

It's ok, the political system in this country is headed toward a singularity. Everybody around from where I'm sitting is getting increasingly fed up with the two major parties, so it's only a matter of time before a new party shows up and cleans their clocks. At that point, I'd worry, because the potential for sweeping majorities in all departments of government will be relatively high.

Alternatively, you can attempt to be that new party and ride the waves of psycho-history.

[Amit]

I just don't find Obama to be an effective enough President for this next term. Maybe if we had an expansion and the economy was good, I'd consider voting for him

No matter who you guys put in, there sure as fuck won't be a noticeable expansion with just one term. Why fuck around like this? It solves nothing. Hell, if the Democrats didn't already run the current term, I'd say put the republicans in for another three and see how much shit gets done (or how quickly they run the country into the ground, which is probably what it needs to end this fuckery). Since Republiomey will undo everything the Obama admin has worked towards these past four years, it's retarded to vote republican. The republicans had their 8 years to fuck the economy up. Let the democrats have another 4 to try to fix it. Romney winning sends you guys back to square one and makes your country look like a bunch of idiots. I hate to generalize, but that's what the rest of the world is going to think. Hell, that's what many people in the world already think.

[Timo]

How I view any politician taking credit for what happens in an economy the size of America:

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20120228.gif

Watching the US elections has been pretty entertaining so far, i'll laugh my ass off if a Mormon becomes the next president.

[rossmum]

Drama queen. :mech:
not at all


In all seriousness, it's going to be another 4 years of stupidity regardless of who gets in office.
i can tell you immediately which will be the worse, more dangerous stupidity. hint: the same brand of stupidity that has consistently fucked america every time it was elected for the last fifty years.


Like I said, my singular vote is banking off of the hope that something will be done to help the economy.
if this is true, then i have no idea why you are throwing that vote at the party which has demonstrably been to blame for all the major fuckups the us economy has endured in recent history


Also, Obama really didn't do much at all besides some better Domestic Policy (which obviously won't be reversed for civil reasons) and give us a large bill for the tax payers coming up in 2014 during a shitty economy.
unfucking the mess the republicans left costs money which the government needs to raise taxes to pay for??? fuck, man, that's just criminal. those goddamn thieves.

also, doing 'not much' (patently false anyway) is a whole lot better than 'doing a lot of really fucking dumb things', which has long been a cornerstone of republican policy


I hate the Democratic Party enough not to vote for Obama. However, if Obama from some miracle stated he would secede from the Democratic Party and be an Independent candidate, then I'd be inclined to vote for him a bit more or at least definitely write-in Chuck Norris.
you hate the party the least bad option is a member of, so you're going to vote for the second worst option after ron paul? that makes sense :lolugh:

[Patrickssj6]

Am I right in thinking that most Americans decline Obama just because he did not ameliorated the economic situation as much as everyone expected and now they have a big tax bill which they would have had either way?

I don't know if everyone expected a Führer 4 years ago that got them out of the financial crisis but "not doing much" is a lot better than what Bush & Co did.

[neuro]

i would like romney to be president, and sarah palin to be vice.

because i want to see the world burn.

[Kornman00]

Meant to post this earlier
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It's funny because Romney had an adviser (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/richard-grenell-quits-mitt-romney_n_1471638.html) who was openly gay.

[Rainbow Dash]

If you care even one little bit about the state of the economy you should be looking at how it actually fucking works (and see how fixing it is never ever going to happen), instead of going with the candidate who repeats the word more than the other.

Also here if you actually have any faith remaining in this system, allow me to squash it.

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[Tnnaas]

I'm going to bring up the whole "We're a Republic, not a Democracy" thing in my Government class to see what sort of discussion it brings up.

I've been wanting to do it for quite a few years, but almost everyone in KANSAS is an ignorant moron who can't grasp anything beyond how corn grows. Lawrence is the only decent city here with people who aren't entirely brain-dead. :maddowns:


:smith:


So next summer I've got tickets to take a cargo ship to Frankfurt. If I like it, I think I'll stay.

[Kornman00]

I'm going to bring up the whole "We're a Republic, not a Democracy" thing in my Government class to see what sort of discussion it brings up.

...and to the Republic for which it stands...
hurrrr, pledges of allegiances pfffft

Also, one nation, under debt

[DarkHalo003]

^It's sad because it's true.

@Dark: Your class doesn't openly discuss the very valuable importance of our nation being a Republic? That's like, invaluable to understand the nation's infrstructure. Who the fuck is controlling the school board over there in Kansas? (Don't worry, College will open so many doors for you.)


not at all

i can tell you immediately which will be the worse, more dangerous stupidity. hint: the same brand of stupidity that has consistently fucked america every time it was elected for the last fifty years.

if this is true, then i have no idea why you are throwing that vote at the party which has demonstrably been to blame for all the major fuckups the us economy has endured in recent history

unfucking the mess the republicans left costs money which the government needs to raise taxes to pay for??? fuck, man, that's just criminal. those goddamn thieves.

also, doing 'not much' (patently false anyway) is a whole lot better than 'doing a lot of really fucking dumb things', which has long been a cornerstone of republican policy

you hate the party the least bad option is a member of, so you're going to vote for the second worst option after ron paul? that makes sense
Because voting for a President who's also going to continually run the country into the ground is better? More Government jobs! That'll fix the economy! Make all health public! That'll surely help the actually hard working medical experts like Physical Therapists that are so very fucking important to the physical recovery of the body which in case already have a fucking difficult time actually getting through the shitty government healthcare ALREADY in place. I just don't like what Obama is doing and his party is going no where. But wait, no, they're both fucking terrible, so I'm glad I've been having these conversations. It looks like I will be writing in Chuck Norris come November because I honestly can't pull it out of my ass to vote for Romney.

Obama's Administration is looking more and more like Jimmy Carter's in terms of Economics and we all know Obama is nothing compared to Carter in terms of Foreign Policy. That is why I won't vote for him this November, regardless of who I vote for.

As far as economics, neither party's is working:
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2010-08-10/commentary/30767246_1_gop-ideals-david-stockman-economy

Because the Republican Party is regrettably the only with a conservative economic approach, I was more inclined to vote for them. We don't need to spend, we need to save. Democrats want to keep spending and we don't have money to spend for them. At the same time, tax the wealthy and they'll take it out on those below them. The system is fucked up regardless and there is no WORSE President. They're both equally shitty in their own ways and frankly I was voting based on the concept that I want the situation to change. The problem with your methodology is that there will be a new President in the next 4 years and letting a President who isn't doing much stay for another 4 years is crazy. The Democrats are all talk. The Republicans at least act, even if it's stupid half of the time. These debts you keep talking about with the Republican party accumulating over the years aren't just on the hands of the Repubs. It's the GOP and the fucked up Bureaucracy as a whole for the past 30 years that's fucked us over.

@Patricks: No, that's not it, it's the fact that he made promises he couldn't keep and overpursued shit he shouldn't have tried to. You don't go for a healthcare reform in the middle of one of the worst recessions in Global history. That's like switching to Stargate Tech as Protoss after losing your entire army from mass Marine/Rax/Vikings. It just doesn't work. Yes I just made a StarCraft reference. Deal with it. I'm not saying he had to keep all those promises, but when you build your entire campaign on hope and change and you leave America with neither you're really showing you're nothing but silver-tongue.


i would like romney to be president, and sarah palin to be vice.

because i want to see the world burn.
Some men want to watch the world burn.

[neuro]

if youre voting for romney, you're the reason the whole world points and laughs and sais 'lol america, what a joke'

[DarkHalo003]

if youre voting for romney, you're the reason the whole world points and laughs and sais 'lol america, what a joke'
Fortunately I'm not.

[Rainbow Dash]

Because the Republican Party is regrettably the only with a conservative economic approach, I was more inclined to vote for them. We don't need to spend, we need to save. Democrats want to keep spending and we don't have money to spend for them.


GUYS WE HAVE TO SAVE THE FICTIONAL NUMBERS THAT HAVE NO REAL RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING OR ELSE WELL RUN OUT OF FICTIONAL NUMBERS BAWWW

yeah good luck, debt, by design can never be repaid as long as interest exists, regardless of how much you run social programs into the ground you will never save enough money to repay the debt. All you will have succeeded in doing is bringing social health even further down than it already is in the United States.

[Tnnaas]

@Dark: Your class doesn't openly discuss the very valuable importance of our nation being a Republic? That's like, invaluable to understand the nation's infrstructure. Who the fuck is controlling the school board over there in Kansas? (Don't worry, College will open so many doors for you.)
It doesn't at all. What my government class goes over is simply the history of how the nation was started (Declaration of Independece and whatnot, which is still very important) and touches base on some modern political events, like the race to the White House. I did bring the topic up and defended my points accordingly, but no more than two others understood what I was saying. I'm just glad one of them was the teacher himself.

About the school board: it was built by idiots for idiots. We're still using reprinted books from the 1980s, so we aren't learning more than what my parents knew when they left high school. State sanctioned budget cuts are really killing our education. I think I learn more about politics from these forums than from what they will ever have a chance to teach us. Last I checked, we're not far off from Kansas City which has one of the worst math and reading scores in the nation.

Also, seriously looking forward to College, but I think a year of planning, prepping, and budgeting will help me out better than those who simply jump in and fall into debt immediately. Plus, I hear Frankfurt is nice in the summer.

[Zeph]

I accept the Electoral College on the notion that voters are relatively stupid half of the time and I'd rather have 16 intellectuals hopefully voting strategically for my interests than 10,000,000 blindly voting based off of bandwagons or ignorance. Simply put, I'd rather have 16 smart people having the important decisions based off of information they received than 10,000,000 stupid people vote their opinions.

It's a system that makes sense based on the level of technology we had sixty years ago. Now, we're a technological society with each person able to instantly reach anyone within the world. I've been against the electoral college since I learned about it. We're a nation of individuals electing a single person. There's no reason why anyone's vote should be ignored on the national scale since more people in their county voted for the other person.


Also, a bit of irony. I've long laughed at how Romney and his running mate tell nothing but lies and misnomers (someone counted it as over 600 lies over the past 32 weeks on reddit. no idea if factually quantitative or not though). Today, he's telling the teachers on strike in Chicago to go back to work because it's important our kids have an education and this strike hurts them. They're striking because current policies on education hurt the students. It's stuff like this and Ryan not understanding how voting in Congress works that makes me wonder how they managed to get to be presidential nominees.

[Kornman00]

someone counted it as over 600 lies over the past 32 weeks on reddit. no idea if factually quantitative or not though
psssst, check the first post's last sentence. Hint: it's a URL

[DarkHalo003]

It's a system that makes sense based on the level of technology we had sixty years ago. Now, we're a technological society with each person able to instantly reach anyone within the world. I've been against the electoral college since I learned about it. We're a nation of individuals electing a single person. There's no reason why anyone's vote should be ignored on the national scale since more people in their county voted for the other person.


Also, a bit of irony. I've long laughed at how Romney and his running mate tell nothing but lies and misnomers (someone counted it as over 600 lies over the past 32 weeks on reddit. no idea if factually quantitative or not though). Today, he's telling the teachers on strike in Chicago to go back to work because it's important our kids have an education and this strike hurts them. They're striking because current policies on education hurt the students. It's stuff like this and Ryan not understanding how voting in Congress works that makes me wonder how they managed to get to be presidential nominees.
As right as you are about this being a new age, I'm okay with the Electoral College simply because the popular vote is astonishingly unreliable with most voters not being educated enough to make the best decisions with their vote. Most of it is bandwagoning and derp derp derp. Only a quarter of the population knows who they want to vote for based on accurate information, that information not being twisted by media bias or bandwagons. The Electoral College is designed for the best interest of that state and the intellectuals they have for it have adequate information to make the best decisions for their region while also keeping in mind the popular vote.

The second part doesn't surprise. It's one of the biggest reasons why I'm not voting for him. I only leaned towards him because of some issues I really can't explain well here without someone misunderstanding.

[rossmum]

Because voting for a President who's also going to continually run the country into the ground is better?
but... he isn't?

how hard is it for you to grasp that the economy isn't his fault in the first place? not only that, but he's actually done a considerably better job of fixing the mess than any possible republican alternative could?


More Government jobs! That'll fix the economy! Make all health public! That'll surely help the actually hard working medical experts like Physical Therapists that are so very fucking important to the physical recovery of the body which in case already have a fucking difficult time actually getting through the shitty government healthcare ALREADY in place.
i don't know what the fuck is wrong with you americans, but i have lived all my life in countries where healthcare is socialised, like it should be. i cannot imagine life without socialised healthcare. it is actually inconceivable for me, i think i would rather just fucking die.

when you live in a country where a woman is denied necessary surgery for breast cancer because her fucking insurance company turns her down twice for a pre-existing condition, and that condition is fucking teenage acne, there is clearly something very fucking wrong with your healthcare system. i cannot possibly imagine how broken a person many americans must be, and how broken a country it must be as a whole, to not look at the current situation and see something profoundly wrong with it. every argument against it is utter rubbish, including the "WE CAN'T AFFORD IT" one. want to afford it? stop invading other fucking nations just because they don't bend to your every whim and slash military funding down to what you actually need to defend your home, not maintain a little fucking world empire after supposedly being the champions of anti-imperialistic revolution.


I just don't like what Obama is doing and his party is going no where.
even if they were literally going nowhere (they aren't), they would still be an infinitely better option that romney and a gop more rabidly right-wing than any other i can remember


But wait, no, they're both fucking terrible, so I'm glad I've been having these conversations. It looks like I will be writing in Chuck Norris come November because I honestly can't pull it out of my ass to vote for Romney.
i'm glad you've decided to at least not actively sabotage america's economy, society, and general standing in the world, that is a good first step


Because the Republican Party is regrettably the only with a conservative economic approach, I was more inclined to vote for them. We don't need to spend, we need to save. Democrats want to keep spending and we don't have money to spend for them.
no, republicans will spend, they will just do it on the military-industrial complex and other worthless bullshit that only furthers the goals of the rich at the expense of the poor. while doing this they will also slash the social programs many people would struggle to live without, but loosen off taxes for their corporate buddies like they always do. try being poor for a while, you'll get a whole new fucking perspective on conservatives and their "economic genius".


At the same time, tax the wealthy and they'll take it out on those below them.
this is veering into some dangerous trickle-down bullshit right here. the wealthy are exactly the kind of people who should be fucking taxed, and if they want to be pricks and take it out on their employees by cutting jobs to save their bonus, find some other way to fuck them over. slap them with even more taxes, or regulate their ability to let people go like that. who fucking cares, just tax the fucking rich. or better still, seize their fucking assets and give them to more deserving causes.


The system is fucked up regardless and there is no WORSE President.
incorrect, romney is clearly a hell of a lot more dangerous and paul is straight up the worst


They're both equally shitty in their own ways
incorrect again, obama is not doing all the things i would have liked to see him do but he is far from a shitty fucking president and farther still from being comparable to romney on any fucking level

i mean how people can turn around and complain about obama after the colossal clusterfuck that was the bush administration is just beyond me, it really is


and frankly I was voting based on the concept that I want the situation to change.
you want the situation to change? get into politics yourself, start agitating, don't expect one vote out of 300 million in a two-party nation to be anything other than pissing into a sea of piss. take the least bad option for now, work on the best option while you wait. obama is clearly the least bad option by any given criteria.


The problem with your methodology is that there will be a new President in the next 4 years and letting a President who isn't doing much stay for another 4 years is crazy.
so you're telling me that it's better to have an incompetent, hyper-conservative asshole shitting all over the country than a president who's just kinda chilling and not really fucking anything up, but not really rocking the boat? that is totally unreasonable logic to me


The Democrats are all talk. The Republicans at least act, even if it's stupid half of the time.
see above; this is a recipe for disaster, and believe me when i say preserving the status quo is a lot better than fucking disaster


These debts you keep talking about with the Republican party accumulating over the years aren't just on the hands of the Repubs. It's the GOP and the fucked up Bureaucracy as a whole for the past 30 years that's fucked us over.
and those are part and parcel of bringing the republicans into power.

i'd also like to remind you that people you would identify as hardline liberals would quite likely be labelled borderline fascist in any other first world nation. the leftest of the left actively shun reasonable, likeable people with good policies because they are apparently too far left of america.

your country is fucked. it is politically and socially backwards. voting for conservatives will make this a thousand times worse, not fix it. give yourselves a chance to catch up with the rest of the world, for once.

[Amit]

Everything in Ross' post: yes, just yes. Was pretty funny, too.

[Warsaw]

The amount of stupid being lobbed around in this thread is enough to flatten a small country...

[TeeKup]

The amount of stupid being lobbed around in this thread is enough to flatten a small country...

Someone better warn Liechtenstein and Luxembourg, give em some shields and fortifications too.

Also I still wan to move to New Zealand. I stopped caring about this country.

[DarkHalo003]

but... he isn't?

how hard is it for you to grasp that the economy isn't his fault in the first place? not only that, but he's actually done a considerably better job of fixing the mess than any possible republican alternative could?

You obviously don't pay attention to half of my posts. I've been saying the President can't do shit to the economy, that he isn't responsible for it. That's why I refer to the administration which also means the circumstances surrounding it. The GOP/Congress is what makes the bigger Governmental impact and I've stated numerous times they're doing a fucking awful job. Also, you don't know if Republican alternatives would have done better, just like if McCain was President and Obama wasn't we wouldn't know if Democratic alternatives would be doing better if the situation was the same.

i don't know what the fuck is wrong with you americans, but i have lived all my life in countries where healthcare is socialised, like it should be. i cannot imagine life without socialised healthcare. it is actually inconceivable for me, i think i would rather just fucking die.

Firstly, we have socialized healthcare. It's called Medicare and Medicaid, both of which are a tremendous piles of dung and just lead to a lot of their users thinking they're entitled every visit to the pharmacy. Not all, but a lot. How do I know this? I have been in the business on the customer support end and so has most of my family and most of their associates across the country. Secondly, the Obamacare Reform is a load of shit that isn't revolutionary at all. People think it'll pay for their entire bill, but it won't pay for a 1/4. How do I know this? Read the above because we have to know this for business purposes. It isn't at all like the better healthcare other countries have. You think our shitty-ass bureaucracy could run a decent healthcare program? You're obviously delusional because you don't seem to understand that our Government fucking sucks at running anything like it. As the Obamacare Reform is looking, it will be worse and cause many in the health industry to lose half of their salary (meaning hard-working entities such as Physical Therapists that actually fix people will be payed only $10,000 a year more than Teachers, who work under government salaries). It's even better when it's beginning during a shitty economy where it just exerts even more taxes/expenses on the people to pay for it, even if they don't want it. That's right, everyone has to pay for it even if they're not using it. Sure, if you want specialized, dedicated healthcare from a business who can handle it immensely better then our government can, then you can pay for it, but you still have to pay the tax regardless.

when you live in a country where a woman is denied necessary surgery for breast cancer because her fucking insurance company turns her down twice for a pre-existing condition, and that condition is fucking teenage acne, there is clearly something very fucking wrong with your healthcare system. i cannot possibly imagine how broken a person many americans must be, and how broken a country it must be as a whole, to not look at the current situation and see something profoundly wrong with it. every argument against it is utter rubbish, including the "WE CAN'T AFFORD IT" one. want to afford it?

This is called underwriting. If this happens, it's illegal in 34 states. It is one of the legitimate enforcements our Government does right to make sure people aren't denied healthcare based on previous conditions. It's a very common misconception and companies/corporations that do this get in serious shit for doing it. Unfortunately, it's not in all states and it should be enforced in all 50. I agree, it's incredibly fucking ridiculous, but it's a state matter as is apparent and the next reform will do nothing to remedy it. However, if it actually does accomplish it, that will be the only good part of it unfortunately.

stop invading other fucking nations just because they don't bend to your every whim and slash military funding down to what you actually need to defend your home, not maintain a little fucking world empire after supposedly being the champions of anti-imperialistic revolution.

Wow. It's posts like this that make you look like a straight up prick who won't look at things from the other side of the fence. I really don't want to answer to this either because then you'd respond with more anti-American-because-it's-America-hurrrr bullshit that is so irritating from a lot of foreigners who haven't lived in the states recently. In fact, most of the exchange students I run into and am friends with say Americans are incredibly nice and that the country more positive then theirs. Ever tried study abroad Rossmum?

even if they were literally going nowhere (they aren't), they would still be an infinitely better option that romney and a gop more rabidly right-wing than any other i can remember

Not infinitely better as the nation would still have a gun put to its head. I'm also not a person to stand still and wait, so it goes against my nature to do what the Dems are doing. But whatever, there's little point to argue given that I'm not even voting for either during the election as I've recently stated. Like I said, I don't feel like you read half of my posts and instead like to post on rapid impulses of rage.

i'm glad you've decided to at least not actively sabotage america's economy, society, and general standing in the world, that is a good first step

So glad you acknowledged that. :)

no, republicans will spend, they will just do it on the military-industrial complex and other worthless bullshit that only furthers the goals of the rich at the expense of the poor. while doing this they will also slash the social programs many people would struggle to live without, but loosen off taxes for their corporate buddies like they always do. try being poor for a while, you'll get a whole new fucking perspective on conservatives and their "economic genius".

Considering all of the hate coming from an Australian of all nationalities, I can't even imagine the animosity other countries who hate us even more feel. Having a high defense budget does make me feel a bit safer at night. Maybe. I hope you read that as facetious.

On a serious note, stop acting like the Dems are made of saints and the Repubs are made of only devils. They're both shitfests in their own way and they're both equally terrible. One just happens to act out while the other one is totally passive aggressive. They screw the people over regardless because their greedy fucks who want to rule the country their way, not the people's way nor the best interest of the people. Why don't I want to vote for Obama? Because he's a tool. Why don't I want to vote for Romney? Because he's an ignorant buffoon. Why would I never vote for either? Because they're both in cahoots with Parties that are made of greedy, weasle-like Politicians. I can't stress this enough. The point of my arguments about Obama aren't just because I don't think he's effective enough, but because you need to understand that it's a complete Catch-22. America is fucked either way. Switching just changes the tempo is all, for good or worse, we won't know till after November.

this is veering into some dangerous trickle-down bullshit right here. the wealthy are exactly the kind of people who should be fucking taxed, and if they want to be pricks and take it out on their employees by cutting jobs to save their bonus, find some other way to fuck them over. slap them with even more taxes, or regulate their ability to let people go like that. who fucking cares, just tax the fucking rich. or better still, seize their fucking assets and give them to more deserving causes.

Yes, let's screw over our employers. That will solve absolutely everything. In fact, let's call the men with the guns pussies and shit on their front yard while jeering at their small penises. Nothing bad will happen! They won't gun us down at all! I hope to God you read that jokingly. I think there should be some way to balance out the rich, of course. They are incredibly overbearing and don't give a fuck about what happens to anyone lower to them. However, they WILL bring it out on us and then we're back to square one like we were in 2008. No, the way to deal with the rich and their corporations is subterfuge: wait until they are no longer paranoid and hit them where it hurts. Hit them at a time when they can't do anything to their employees and when so much isn't at stake. We attack them now and we're only giving them MORE power.

incorrect, romney is clearly a hell of a lot more dangerous and paul is straight up the worst

Individually, yes. The GOP is still the worst of the worst. And Paul is a fucking bigot who one could tell he was just silver-tonguing to attempt endorsement/election.

incorrect again, obama is not doing all the things i would have liked to see him do but he is far from a shitty fucking president and farther still from being comparable to romney on any fucking level

The U.S. is not Australia and never will be. It cannot go by the same rules that Australia does because it's a completely different melting pot. Besides ignorance, I can't fathom why you won't accept this. It's always easy to say it's possible, but in reality and in being real it is not. Too many demographics in the U.S. Too much diversity. Too much chaos for it to have what Australia does the way Australia has it. I hope that helps you understand a bit more, but you'll probably call me a "fucking idiot American for being ignorant and stubborn and a conservative fuck because I have a bad attitude because I'm American yadyadyadda." Not trying to make myself sound like a dick, but that's what I'm getting my impressions of you as in this argument.

i mean how people can turn around and complain about obama after the colossal clusterfuck that was the bush administration is just beyond me, it really is

I can't answer this statement because you'll refute anything I say about it. All I'll say is that the Bush Administration had 6 years of success and two years of shit. We've discussed that the economic issues are not a result of the Administration, but of the attitude and policies it presents to the GOP that ends up being the biggest fuckup of all. We went into a war that we didn't expect would be what it is today and we went into it with the best intentions. We encountered a terrorism that has shaken the world because of its animosity and eventually we understood how serious it could be. Intelligence suggested that there were WMDs in Iraq in the hands of one of the worst dictators in history. We didn't find any as we all know, but one needs to ponder what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq. Could there have been WMDs and they had just been dispersed before the Iraq War began? What would happen if the Iraq War never did and there were WMDs? It's questions like these that qualify, to me, the reasoning of going into a country with a malicious dictator in one of the most unstable regions on the planet.

you want the situation to change? get into politics yourself, start agitating, don't expect one vote out of 300 million in a two-party nation to be anything other than pissing into a sea of piss. take the least bad option for now, work on the best option while you wait. obama is clearly the least bad option by any given criteria.

Vote for the SECOND worst. To me, that's not good enough. I'm not voting for shitheads now that I can. My ticket is going to be a write-in.

so you're telling me that it's better to have an incompetent, hyper-conservative asshole shitting all over the country than a president who's just kinda chilling and not really fucking anything up, but not really rocking the boat? that is totally unreasonable logic to me

No, I'm trying to help you understand that Obama is a terrible candidate as well and that he's a tool his Party is using to keep power in all their greed. But don't worry, Romney is a total fuck too and the Republican party is just full of idiots. That you have right.

see above; this is a recipe for disaster, and believe me when i say preserving the status quo is a lot better than fucking disaster


and those are part and parcel of bringing the republicans into power.

Bringing either into power results the same. Just in different ways and to different people.

i'd also like to remind you that people you would identify as hardline liberals would quite likely be labelled borderline fascist in any other first world nation. the leftest of the left actively shun reasonable, likeable people with good policies because they are apparently too far left of america.

I thought I was trying to make this apparent? Glad you did if I didn't and I agree with you.

your country is fucked. it is politically and socially backwards. voting for conservatives will make this a thousand times worse, not fix it. give yourselves a chance to catch up with the rest of the world, for once.

Voting for any of the two-party fucks is going to lead us nowhere. You are right, our country is fucked. At least, it is until Americans are put into their place and realize what life is truly about outside of their proud bubble.


Responses in bold.

[TeeKup]

Once again, at least Obama won't revert us socially to the 1950's.

[Emmzee]

Romney wouldn't either if he stood a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. There's a thing called checks and balances that you might not be aware of.

[TeeKup]

I'm aware. I just really don't have any faith in the system. It's so broken as hell.

[DarkHalo003]

Emzee is right here and it's a slight nutshell of what I'm pointing out. Either, the system is very buggy and hiccuppy to say the least.


Once again, at least Obama won't revert us socially to the 1950's.
As I said before, and I definitely understand where you're coming from, the people ultimately decide what is tolerated and accepted. Romney can exacerbate the extremists or bystanders, but people won't give up their morals if they truly believe in them. Will there be any domestic progression though? It won't be easy to tell until the next re-elections for Congress when we've seen what a stocked Republican administration (oh dear) will do. Will they deny a lot of policies, especially from Democrats? Of course, just like Democrats would for Republicans (see how awful this is). However, as time goes by the President will align more towards the middle of both sides as it has been historically proven. A good president, which is something Clinton was in this aspect aside from his excellent timing to be in office given an expanding economy, would then stay in the middle and work with the GOP/Congress to successful address the problems leading the nation. Bush did this his first term for those who don't want to recall his presidency. Obama has failed to so far.

[Warsaw]

Here's a fun question:

Why do the lot of you keep running around focusing on Democrats and Republicans? "Romney will fix the country!" "NO, Obama knows what he's doing!" "RAWR RED vs. BLUE!"

There are other options. No, there are. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents anybody outside of the "primary" parties from actually participating and winning an election. It's all IN YOUR HEADS. If we ALL actually took the time to research the candidates and party platforms, we might decide "hey, Candidate C's platform looks much more appealing than platforms R and D."

It's a pure mind-share game. Snowball effect, self-fulfilling prophecy, etc. By only supporting one or the other, you eliminate the threat of competition for those two and they then goof off trading places every few years, holding a giant circle-jerk where no progress is made because they know that if they aren't in power now, they will be in 2-8 years. It's a political cartel.

[neuro]

darkhalo, you are seriously one of the insanest, dumbest fucking idiots i have the pleasure of reading posts of.

the level of your utter fucking blindness and rediculous ness is absolutely stunning.
honestly, i'm at a lack of words every time i read your posts, and i have to remind myself that 'yeah well, that's america for you'

you fucking mentalpatient

[rossmum]

gonna bomb the hell out of this thread in a minute, it may take more than one post, consider yourselves warned

[TVTyrant]

Im posting in here about nothing in particular because I'm pretty sure I disagree with all of you

Government interference in everyday life in the home is bad mmkay? So is The wealthyu exploiting the other classes, mmmkay? What we need os a balance between the two, where we give and take some so we are all equal, mmmkay?

[rossmum]

Responses in bold.
please don't do this, since the forum apparently doesn't handle nested quotes so well it makes it really fucking annoying to reply to you


You obviously don't pay attention to half of my posts. I've been saying the President can't do shit to the economy, that he isn't responsible for it. That's why I refer to the administration which also means the circumstances surrounding it. The GOP/Congress is what makes the bigger Governmental impact and I've stated numerous times they're doing a fucking awful job. Also, you don't know if Republican alternatives would have done better, just like if McCain was President and Obama wasn't we wouldn't know if Democratic alternatives would be doing better if the situation was the same.
the republicans have a long and proud history of criminally mismanaging the economy regardless what state it is in when it comes to them, so i would say we can extrapolate pretty confidently from that


Firstly, we have socialized healthcare. It's called Medicare and Medicaid, both of which are a tremendous piles of dung and just lead to a lot of their users thinking they're entitled every visit to the pharmacy. Not all, but a lot. How do I know this? I have been in the business on the customer support end and so has most of my family and most of their associates across the country.
is this the same as the 'man those goddamn dole bludgers are sucking our welfare system dry while they don't even try to look for work, i know this because i heard it on the radio/saw a memo/have a relative who works in the government/am telepathic'? it sounds a lot like it. maybe you should try sitting on the other end of the fucking system for a while to get some perspective. i used to complain about that shit along with everyone else, lo and behold i am now on the bare minimum $245/week payment, searching unsuccessfully for 5 jobs a week in a city where i am too old to be considered for even the lowliest mcslave fast food job and not qualified or experienced enough to be considered for anything else, i have no fucking idea what i am doing, the government tells me i need to try and find a job but gives me zero fucking guidance or assistance in doing so, i am living week to week with seldom more than pocket change left by the next payday (since it only goes into my account every second week), and i can't even afford basic parts to repair my goddamn pc, which is why i am typing this from my laptop right now.

even the people who are easily stereotyped as 'fucking dole bludging freeloaders' are, now i am actually in the same boat as them, quite clearly at a strong disadvantage because of the shitty way the system works. i don't think i have seen one legitimate bludger yet, just severely disadvantaged people being handed the bare minimum that is required to continue living with a roof over your head and food in your stomach, while the middle and upper classes in particular sit around bitching them out for "wasting our tax dollars".

fuck you.


Secondly, the Obamacare Reform is a load of shit that isn't revolutionary at all. People think it'll pay for their entire bill, but it won't pay for a 1/4. How do I know this? Read the above because we have to know this for business purposes. It isn't at all like the better healthcare other countries have.
hmmm it's almost like the dems had to fucking nerf the shit out of the bill just so it would pass all the fucking republicans and their shitty sociopathic fuck you got mine philosophy, how about that???


You think our shitty-ass bureaucracy could run a decent healthcare program? You're obviously delusional because you don't seem to understand that our Government fucking sucks at running anything like it. As the Obamacare Reform is looking, it will be worse and cause many in the health industry to lose half of their salary (meaning hard-working entities such as Physical Therapists that actually fix people will be payed only $10,000 a year more than Teachers, who work under government salaries). It's even better when it's beginning during a shitty economy where it just exerts even more taxes/expenses on the people to pay for it, even if they don't want it. That's right, everyone has to pay for it even if they're not using it. Sure, if you want specialized, dedicated healthcare from a business who can handle it immensely better then our government can, then you can pay for it, but you still have to pay the tax regardless.
you are the fucking delusional one here. the reason it is not all it should be has jack to do with your bureaucracy and jack to do with obama. it has everything to do with the fact that roughly half of your country are backwards morons with the conscience and morals of a fucking rock. 'even if they don't want it' is a fucking stupid excuse, because i cannot possibly imagine anyone who actively wants to worry about their health 24/7 and feel the looming shadow of impending financial ruin should an accident or other unforseeable health problem occur. oh wait, yes i can, that would be all those who are rich enough to afford private cover, the kind that won't shaft them for totally unrelated things as 'pre-existing conditions'. fuck them.

also, 'everyone has to pay for it even if they aren't using it'? what the fuck do you think taxes are, buddy? are you happy paying for your military even though you don't get to decide which country they invade next? are you happy paying for nasa even though you don't get to go to mars personally (you should be, side note, because nasa owns)? are you happy paying for schools you no longer attend, public works schemes that have no impact on you, and emergency services you may never need to call?

i think that is just about the dumbest argument i have ever seen in my life. oddly enough, it's one that keeps rearing its ugly head every time i ask someone why they hate obama's healthcare bill.


This is called underwriting. If this happens, it's illegal in 34 states. It is one of the legitimate enforcements our Government does right to make sure people aren't denied healthcare based on previous conditions. It's a very common misconception and companies/corporations that do this get in serious shit for doing it. Unfortunately, it's not in all states and it should be enforced in all 50. I agree, it's incredibly fucking ridiculous, but it's a state matter as is apparent and the next reform will do nothing to remedy it. However, if it actually does accomplish it, that will be the only good part of it unfortunately.
you know what'd be even fucking better? giving people a choice between being secure with national healthcare and jumping into the snake pit with private. funny how people are often quick to jump on the 'BUT IT TAKES AWAY ARE CHOICE' argument (not saying you are, but it happens often) without sparing a fucking thought for those too poor to have a goddamn choice.


Wow. It's posts like this that make you look like a straight up prick who won't look at things from the other side of the fence. I really don't want to answer to this either because then you'd respond with more anti-American-because-it's-America-hurrrr bullshit that is so irritating from a lot of foreigners who haven't lived in the states recently.
ah yes, all legitimate criticism directed at the united states is anti-american-because-it's-america-hurrrr bullshit. i see how this works. meanwhile it's okay for the united states, across its entire history of existing, to preach to the four corners of the fucking earth about how bad imperialism is and how great democracy is while invading countries and installing puppet governments in them, or taking posession of various pacific islands just because they're strategically convenient. look at a map bucko, you'll see a lot of places that have zero ethnic american population with '(us)' after their name.

consider dusting off your own fucking history books before you pretend like i said anything other than the damn truth. once your military gets the fuck out of japan, korea, germany, the pacific rim, and now australia - then we can fucking talk.


In fact, most of the exchange students I run into and am friends with say Americans are incredibly nice and that the country more positive then theirs. Ever tried study abroad Rossmum?
i've lived in three countries and visited more than i care to count, including most of western europe, parts of asia and the middle east, a pacific island, and the us itself. i don't recall saying americans are all terrible people, i recall saying that your country itself is an imperialistic hypocrite with no regards for anyone that isn't itself, proven again and again and again and fucking again ad nauseum by even a cursory examination of its past and present relations with other countries. your military is so fucking expensive because it is scattered quite literally across the globe in positions that have zero to do with defending america and everything to do with menacing potential enemies into compliance and keeping influence over allies.

if you don't agree that america is the single largest threat to world peace and has been so since the very beginning of the cold war, i honestly don't know what to say


Not infinitely better as the nation would still have a gun put to its head. I'm also not a person to stand still and wait, so it goes against my nature to do what the Dems are doing. But whatever, there's little point to argue given that I'm not even voting for either during the election as I've recently stated. Like I said, I don't feel like you read half of my posts and instead like to post on rapid impulses of rage.
i, too, am a man of action. i have a short temper and get really agitated when nothing happens, yet even i would sooner literally nothing changing ever again to things taking a drunken swing for the worst. i seriously cannot fathom what mockery of reason could bring someone to hope something objectively bad happens just because they're bored and frustrated at nothing bad happening.


Considering all of the hate coming from an Australian of all nationalities
get fucked. i am not an australian and will never be. if i have to give up one of my citizenships i will drop this one in a fucking heartbeat.


On a serious note, stop acting like the Dems are made of saints and the Repubs are made of only devils.
i am not, the dems are far from ideal, but they are clearly less bad than the raving right-wing fucking gop and its supporters, and especially a p/vp team with policies as bad as romney/ryan


They're both shitfests in their own way and they're both equally terrible.
not at all, one will slowly make at least some social progress, the other will do its damndest to revert to the fucking worst of the 1950s and rabble-rouse its way into power while also being a lot softer on the corporations that are the fucking root cause of the problems with the economy


One just happens to act out while the other one is totally passive aggressive. They screw the people over regardless because their greedy fucks who want to rule the country their way, not the people's way nor the best interest of the people. Why don't I want to vote for Obama? Because he's a tool. Why don't I want to vote for Romney? Because he's an ignorant buffoon. Why would I never vote for either? Because they're both in cahoots with Parties that are made of greedy, weasle-like Politicians. I can't stress this enough. The point of my arguments about Obama aren't just because I don't think he's effective enough, but because you need to understand that it's a complete Catch-22. America is fucked either way. Switching just changes the tempo is all, for good or worse, we won't know till after November.
obama is not comparable to romney, let alone equal to. i don't know how you still don't understand this. conservatives are terrible, bad people with really awful shitty opinions that liked your country better when it was okay to sexually harass women in the workplace, casually speak about lynching 'niggers', and throw homosexuals in jail and/or torture them with electro-shock 'therapy'. there is no such thing as a good conservative, period. they are living in the past and in the shadow of their own fearful ignorance.


Yes, let's screw over our employers. That will solve absolutely everything. In fact, let's call the men with the guns pussies and shit on their front yard while jeering at their small penises. Nothing bad will happen! They won't gun us down at all! I hope to God you read that jokingly. I think there should be some way to balance out the rich, of course. They are incredibly overbearing and don't give a fuck about what happens to anyone lower to them. However, they WILL bring it out on us and then we're back to square one like we were in 2008. No, the way to deal with the rich and their corporations is subterfuge: wait until they are no longer paranoid and hit them where it hurts. Hit them at a time when they can't do anything to their employees and when so much isn't at stake. We attack them now and we're only giving them MORE power.
alternately we could just destroy the hell out of their ability to make money, cutting off their power source and sending them into a blind panic so they destroy themselves. instead of sneaking in shitty fucking laws on the back of defence bills about banning guns or gay marriage or whatever the fuck your politicans are up to now, slip in sneaky little changes that severely hamper their abilities, so by the time you move against them they either realise they can't do anything, or they go right ahead and break the law and then you can seize all their assets and give them to the people while also throwing their sorry asses in jail.

all i know is that outside of america, it's not unheard of for the rich to ask to be taxed more. sadly that isn't the case here since australia wants to be america so hard.


The U.S. is not Australia and never will be. It cannot go by the same rules that Australia does because it's a completely different melting pot. Besides ignorance, I can't fathom why you won't accept this. It's always easy to say it's possible, but in reality and in being real it is not. Too many demographics in the U.S. Too much diversity.
hey yo i'm not sure if you noticed but we are kind of right below asia and also were a convenient dumping ground/workplace opportunity for refugees and migrants from the four corners of the fucking globe after world war 2. don't talk to me about 'too much diversity', you ain't got shit.


Too much chaos for it to have what Australia does the way Australia has it. I hope that helps you understand a bit more, but you'll probably call me a "fucking idiot American for being ignorant and stubborn and a conservative fuck because I have a bad attitude because I'm American yadyadyadda." Not trying to make myself sound like a dick, but that's what I'm getting my impressions of you as in this argument.
shitty cop-out argument. even if we assume for a moment that america is more diverse than australia, how does that affect anything? go on, tell me how that affects anything, other than the fact that fully half of your country are backwards idiots and the other half are too pussy to take a stand and drag those assholes kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

i have never, in my life, been shown a valid argument why america can't unfuck itself. never. your post isn't even a reasoned argument, it's just a bunch of copping out with no actual logic behind it. of course nothing will fucking change if your entire country just mopes around whining about it, you need to actually get up and fucking do something.


I can't answer this statement because you'll refute anything I say about it.
hmm, it's almost as if there's a reason for that


All I'll say is that the Bush Administration had 6 years of success and two years of shit.
hahahaah pleeeeeease tell me how you arrive at this conclusion. you got blown up by terrorists, started a war trying to get back at said terrorists and bit off more than you could chew (all while said terrorists were little more than a fucking bogeyman to scare idiots with), you started another war with the stated purpose of taking saddam from power because he was 'making wmds' and 'supporting al-qaeda and other terrorists', both of which are patently fucking false, a shit ton of people died, the economy got ruined because republicans are all for letting their corporate buddies do really stupidly risky shit, the rest of the world hated you, and a hurricane that should have been dealt with turned into world war fucking three and ended in a scene that would turn the stomachs of third world nations.

tell me where there was anything but an ever-worsening cavalcade of failure and shittiness during the bush administration's reign, please.


We've discussed that the economic issues are not a result of the Administration, but of the attitude and policies it presents to the GOP that ends up being the biggest fuckup of all. We went into a war that we didn't expect would be what it is today and we went into it with the best intentions. We encountered a terrorism that has shaken the world because of its animosity and eventually we understood how serious it could be.
because rousing a nation into war and bigoted fervor sure is the best way to deal with a single, albeit terrible, terrorist attack. not like you are actually doing exactly what the terrorists fucking want or anything, huh.


Intelligence suggested that there were WMDs in Iraq in the hands of one of the worst dictators in history.
lol people still believe this? how cute. america wanted more influence in the middle east, it is all powergames. forget wmds which never existed, forget the fact that the only people who still spin the 'IT WAS JUST BAD INTELLIGENCE OKAY' crew are either ignorant or people with a vested interest in maintaining that facade, ignore the fact that a retired us general came out and stated he had seen and heard talk of trying to increase us presence in the middle east before 9/11 even happened, ignore the blindingly obvious fact that saddam hussein, a power-mad dictator, was from an entirely different sect of islam to the terrorists he was purportedly giving shelter and training to (oh and those two sects are violently opposed might i add, especially in iraq where he was actively fucking having them rounded up and arrested), do i even need to continue?


We didn't find any as we all know, but one needs to ponder what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq.
well the world would be a hell of a lot less fucked up, what is left of al-qaeda would have significantly less propaganda material to recruit with, the us budget would look a lot healthier, thousands of american troops would be home safe with their families instead of dead, the rest of the world would have a far better view of america, and the arab spring would in all probability have overflowed across the border and maybe even got rid of saddam itself? yeah man, that sounds like an awful possibility, good thing we went and killed like a million dudes and plunged the middle east even further into the abyss


Could there have been WMDs and they had just been dispersed before the Iraq War began? What would happen if the Iraq War never did and there were WMDs? It's questions like these that qualify, to me, the reasoning of going into a country with a malicious dictator in one of the most unstable regions on the planet.
except everyone knew there were no wmds period and the government simply spun itself an excuse to go claim iraq in the name of Spreading US Influence Democracy

why the fuck do you think russia is backing iran and syria? i'll give you a hint: as far as the middle east is concerned the cold war may as well not have ended


Vote for the SECOND worst. To me, that's not good enough. I'm not voting for shitheads now that I can. My ticket is going to be a write-in.obama is one of the least shitty presidents america has had in quite some time, i don't know what the fuck is wrong with you

seriously, even a president who does nothing is better than a president who fucks everyt- oh fuck it here i'll make a graph

PRESIDENTAL SHITTINESS SCALE
SHIT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- OKAY ---------------------------------- GOOD
MAKES THINGS ALL FUCKED UP AND BAD ------------------------- DOES NOTHING ------------------------- MAKES THINGS BETTER

hope that helps


No, I'm trying to help you understand that Obama is a terrible candidate as well and that he's a tool his Party is using to keep power in all their greed. But don't worry, Romney is a total fuck too and the Republican party is just full of idiots. That you have right.
i dunno if you forgot who you're talking to but i am the person who thinks western society itself is fundamentally broken and needs radical reform that cannot be brought about with current systems in place

so, y'know, if i say someone is 'the least bad option', i genuinely mean it, that is the fucking best you are going to get short of a fucking revolution


Bringing either into power results the same. Just in different ways and to different people.
except that those different ways encompass social change, and social change for the better is always preferable no matter how otherwise similar they may be?

more to follow later in a separate post, it's gotten dark outside in the time it took me to post this. i know i get a bit personal and up in your face and i know this bugs most people so i shouldn't do it, but it is a bad habit picked up by many years of arguing with people who either do not or cannot fucking understand what i am trying to say, it is very frustrating and it makes me a bit angry

essentially; i don't hate you as a person, i just wish you'd stop posting

[Bodzilla]

essentially; i don't hate you as a person, i just wish you'd stop posting
Lol'd

[t3h m00kz]

lesser of two evils.

Obama may be a noob, but romney is a batshit bible thumper who probably eats shellfish soooooooo yeah.

[rossmum]

Second post delayed, I can't bring myself to write it.

What I can bring myself to write is that Romney is a fucking asshole for using the death of a US official in Libya, who happened to be a well-liked SA moderator and chill guy, to score political points. His name wasn't even released to the media and that prick was already using the tragedy to attack Obama.

[n00b1n8R]

http://i.imgur.com/H8qHj.png

[MXC]

there is no such thing as a good conservative, period. they are living in the past and in the shadow of their own fearful ignorance.




Not giving a damn about this worthless shouting matches you seem to love getting into, just caught that line of arrogance and it reminded me of someone.

Actually, Rossmum, there was a conservative on the Colbert Report recently. I think his name was Andrew or Albert or something, but he's actually hoping that Obama wins in an effort to knock some logic into his party. He feels that his entire party has gone nuts but still refers to himself as a conservative.


Ross, I am not going to argue over this. Don't EVER make 100% assumptions on ANYTHING. There is ALLWAYS an exception. I don't care how thick you have to dig through the weeds to find it, but they exist.

[rossmum]

by definition, conservatives would rather things either not change or actually regress, that is pretty much the point of being a conservative and it is not a good thing

some are less awful and obnoxious than others but it is still a bad thing to try and hold back progress for stupid reasons which more often than not have to do with pointless sentimentality or personal religious/moral beliefs which should never, ever, ever be forced upon others.

if you're a conservative in a liberal society, you're free to keep right on not using public healthcare, not being gay, not having children out of wedlock, going to church regularly, or whatever it is conservatives do. if you're a liberal in a conservative society you're basically fucked.

[=sw=warlord]

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/292/d/7/Vote_Saxon_by_icewormie.jpg

Vote for Saxon, so much could be done in a single year.

[Tnnaas]

I love you, Warlord.

When the time comes, I wish my extermination to be quick and painless.

[MXC]

by definition, conservatives would rather things either not change or actually regress, that is pretty much the point of being a conservative and it is not a good thing

some are less awful and obnoxious than others but it is still a bad thing to try and hold back progress for stupid reasons which more often than not have to do with pointless sentimentality or personal religious/moral beliefs which should never, ever, ever be forced upon others.

if you're a conservative in a liberal society, you're free to keep right on not using public healthcare, not being gay, not having children out of wedlock, going to church regularly, or whatever it is conservatives do. if you're a liberal in a conservative society you're basically fucked.

There are homosexual conservatives, dude. There is also economic conservatism that has nothing to do with social conservatism. Hell, my high school economic teacher was purely an economic conservative, he was in favor of civil rights, keeping your personal beliefs to yourself, etc.

As a matter of fact most of the people I know who call themselves conservative do it for purely economic reasons.

[Rainbow Dash]

Thank you ross for saving me the trouble of shitting on darkhalo.

[DarkHalo003]

@Rossmum in general: When I read your posts, most of the time anyways, all I see is rage. The reason why I posted what I did was because I wanted you to realize and attempt to understand the side of the United States that is the opposite of you. I want you to understand how pointless your stereotyping is, why a lot of Americans post what they do towards foreigners, and why I put time into making posts I know will illicit such a reaction. You think I honestly support an idiot who just blabbers what his party tells him and states conservative philosophy that is utterly insane/outdate? You think I don't know that having a President who does nothing versus a President who does a lot of shit wrong is theoretically better? Do you honestly believe that I could post such responses out of thickness and ignorance to the point where I still actively acknowledge that our country is fucked up and needs to be restructured as result of years of shitty bureaucracy and lack-luster representation of its people? I want you to read everything you just wrote to me as if you were receiving it as one of these extreme Conservative Americans you always keep talking about. You need to understand the dogma of the other side before you can offer a true solution for them.

Christ, Ross, the reason why I object to your reasons and why I say Obama isn't good enough is because I'm trying to utterly inform you that none of it is good enough. If our country's citizens and the world just thinks that one side is worst than the other, then everyone is wrong. None of it is good. It's all horrid. I don't want politicians running this country dammit. I want leaders and people who understand what is actually best for everyone. I don't want people or candidates telling promises they won't keep or revert to ideals that just put us in protective bubbles. I'm tired of the lying and slandering. I'm tired of the exploitation. I'm tired of the pedestals. The U.S. isn't made of its government dammit, it's made of its people.


darkhalo, you are seriously one of the insanest, dumbest fucking idiots i have the pleasure of reading posts of.

the level of your utter fucking blindness and rediculous ness is absolutely stunning.
honestly, i'm at a lack of words every time i read your posts, and i have to remind myself that 'yeah well, that's america for you'

you fucking mentalpatient
Please stop posting shit like this.


There are homosexual conservatives, dude. There is also economic conservatism that has nothing to do with social conservatism. Hell, my high school economic teacher was purely an economic conservative, he was in favor of civil rights, keeping your personal beliefs to yourself, etc.

As a matter of fact most of the people I know who call themselves conservative do it for purely economic reasons.
MXC, you are my hero. This is part of my actual political philosophy in a nutshell. I'm so glad you post.

[Amit]

Regardless of the rest of the bullshit, American citizens cannot put Romney into power after this:

"While American diplomats were dying in the field, Romney pops up with an egregious attempt to politicize the deaths with a flat out lie." (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/when_you_learn_theyre_not_ready.php)

And this...

http://i.imgur.com/VSjr6.jpg
...is Romney leaving the podium after his ridiculous speech. He's smiling? What could he possibly be smiling about? Surely not the death of US diplomat, Sean Smith (also known as a huge diplomatic figure in EvE Online). He's smiling because he's sure the media just ate up all his bullshit.

[DarkHalo003]

:smithfrog:


:cwazy:

That terrifies me. God help us all.

[Amit]

Yes, it is very disgusting. I'm glad you reversed your position on voting for Romney. You have done the world a service.

[DarkHalo003]

Yes, it is very disgusting. I'm glad you reversed your position on voting for Romney. You have done the world a service.
It's not that I really, truly wanted to. It's more like I was obliged to for reasons I honestly cannot explain without someone losing their shit as a result of misinterpretation. Regardless, I'm writing in because I want to practice the notion that no side nor this government is good enough.

But what gets me the most is the comparison between the faces of the press and then the face of Romney. It gives me shivers.

[TeeKup]

What the living fuck. What is wrong with that man?

[Bobblehob]

Tempest in a tea-pot

[=sw=warlord]

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n599/cobby87/timthumb.jpg

[Rainbow Dash]

DUKlhKG0leI

rachel maddow 4 president

[Bodzilla]

she's not a reliable news source.

As much as alot of the opinions i've seen her say over the year are true, she is biased.

[Rainbow Dash]

so what, she'd still be the best president.

[rossmum]

@Rossmum in general: When I read your posts, most of the time anyways, all I see is rage.
this is because i find it much quicker and easier to write angrily than to try and keep my cool. i also find it easier to work humour into my posts if i am being a mocking asshole than if i am trying to be polite. however, after several arguments and some deep thought last night, i have arrived at the conclusion that i am a Bad Person and i need to stop tearing strips off people so readily. i am not sure if this will last (probably not), but we will see.


The reason why I posted what I did was because I wanted you to realize and attempt to understand the side of the United States that is the opposite of you. I want you to understand how pointless your stereotyping is, why a lot of Americans post what they do towards foreigners, and why I put time into making posts I know will illicit such a reaction. You think I honestly support an idiot who just blabbers what his party tells him and states conservative philosophy that is utterly insane/outdate? You think I don't know that having a President who does nothing versus a President who does a lot of shit wrong is theoretically better? Do you honestly believe that I could post such responses out of thickness and ignorance to the point where I still actively acknowledge that our country is fucked up and needs to be restructured as result of years of shitty bureaucracy and lack-luster representation of its people? I want you to read everything you just wrote to me as if you were receiving it as one of these extreme Conservative Americans you always keep talking about. You need to understand the dogma of the other side before you can offer a true solution for them.
the other side can be divided into subgroups.

subgroup 1 is the best group, they are either very very moderate or they are personal friends who will be more willing to listen and consider points you put to them. these people can be reasoned with quite effectively and may well turn their opinions around as a result. typically they are the kinds of people mxc is talking about.

subgroup 2 is the kind who is more stubborn in their views, at best you might get part of the way to changing them to subgroup 1 but they will never cross the line, no matter how much you try and reason with them. they have been exposed to too many terrible opinions in their lives to think outside of red and blue.

subgroup 3 is basically beyond all hope of salvage and are so entrenched in their awful, terrible views really the best you can hope for is that they die out and their kids are less insane, but generally these same people are so goddamn entrenched they've brainwashed their kids into good little bigots before they're even out of diapers yet. anyone who considers fox news to be anything other than a horrible joke belongs in this group even before they open their mouth to say something stupid.


Christ, Ross, the reason why I object to your reasons and why I say Obama isn't good enough is because I'm trying to utterly inform you that none of it is good enough. If our country's citizens and the world just thinks that one side is worst than the other, then everyone is wrong. None of it is good. It's all horrid. I don't want politicians running this country dammit. I want leaders and people who understand what is actually best for everyone. I don't want people or candidates telling promises they won't keep or revert to ideals that just put us in protective bubbles. I'm tired of the lying and slandering. I'm tired of the exploitation. I'm tired of the pedestals. The U.S. isn't made of its government dammit, it's made of its people.
again, i think you're forgetting who you're talking to - but my point is that you will not get what you want through currently available channels. voting won't do shit, as the majority of the population only sees red and blue, and the few who don't are mostly going to be even worse and vote for ron paul to be The True Messiah And Saviour. you could form the best political party on earth, with the best platform, but the two-party system will continue to exist and to drown out all others with its incessant dichotomous bullshit. until such time as the majority are so fucking fed up they all abandon the major parties, or they get really mad and decide it's time to go remind capitol hill why direct democracy is the best democracy, all you can do is play along with their bullshit and vote for the least bad option. the day will eventually come where a good one presents itself, you just need to bide your time and make sure your country is still recognisable when it does.


Regardless of the rest of the bullshit, American citizens cannot put Romney into power after this:

"While American diplomats were dying in the field, Romney pops up with an egregious attempt to politicize the deaths with a flat out lie." (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/when_you_learn_theyre_not_ready.php)

And this...

http://i.imgur.com/VSjr6.jpg
...is Romney leaving the podium after his ridiculous speech. He's smiling? What could he possibly be smiling about? Surely not the death of US diplomat, Sean Smith (also known as a huge diplomatic figure in EvE Online). He's smiling because he's sure the media just ate up all his bullshit.
this infuriates me so much it is hard to put into words. it's personal now. i don't just hate romney as a politician, i hate him as a person.

vilerat was pretty much the opposite of what romney preaches about, as if it wasn't insulting enough already. fuck romney.

[Kornman00]

You ain't my bitch, nigga. Buy your own damn fries! (http://www.regretsy.com/2012/09/09/barack-obama-is-tired-of-your-shit/)

[TVTyrant]

subgroup 1 is the best group, they are either very very moderate or they are personal friends who will be more willing to listen and consider points you put to them. these people can be reasoned with quite effectively and may well turn their opinions around as a result. typically they are the kinds of people mxc is talking about.

subgroup 2 is the kind who is more stubborn in their views, at best you might get part of the way to changing them to subgroup 1 but they will never cross the line, no matter how much you try and reason with them. they have been exposed to too many terrible opinions in their lives to think outside of red and blue.
So basically, you are in group two then. No evidence I can suggest will change your opinions. You always think in terms of red and blue, as in the Reds and the oppressive Blues. You've been exposed or exposed yourself to anti-Western opinions to the point where you will never be able to think of the West as a good group of powers.

The moment you label people in these ways, is the moment you go down the road you hate so much Ross. I'd be careful if I were you. Grouping people that way is the same as what the Nazis and Bolsheviks did. It's dangerous thinking.

[TVTyrant]

You ain't my bitch, nigga. Buy your own damn fries! (http://www.regretsy.com/2012/09/09/barack-obama-is-tired-of-your-shit/)
The greatest thing I have ever heard. LOL.

[rossmum]

So basically, you are in group two then. No evidence I can suggest will change your opinions. You always think in terms of red and blue, as in the Reds and the oppressive Blues. You've been exposed or exposed yourself to anti-Western opinions to the point where you will never be able to think of the West as a good group of powers.

The moment you label people in these ways, is the moment you go down the road you hate so much Ross. I'd be careful if I were you. Grouping people that way is the same as what the Nazis and Bolsheviks did. It's dangerous thinking.
this applies to essentially any line of argument, it is impossible to avoid hypocrisy on some level regardless of what you do unless you sit in silence and never criticise or challenge anything. i think we can all agree that this is not the road to progress, you have to challenge and criticise to get anywhere.

if someone shows me some actually valid evidence of socialism being bad and terrible and the western nations being unblemished angels, i will shut up. oddly enough this has never happened. the reason i harp on about the west and generally nowhere else is because that is where i happen to have lived all my life (well, socio-economically west) and therefore it is relevant to me. it is also a case of trying to oppose the general concensus among other westerners that nothing is wrong, we lead the world in everything, we have the best system, etc. if i just sat back and accepted that i'd be lying to myself and contributing to the force that drags us down.

[TVTyrant]

this applies to essentially any line of argument, it is impossible to avoid hypocrisy on some level regardless of what you do unless you sit in silence and never criticise or challenge anything. i think we can all agree that this is not the road to progress, you have to challenge and criticise to get anywhere.

if someone shows me some actually valid evidence of socialism being bad and terrible and the western nations being unblemished angels, i will shut up. oddly enough this has never happened. the reason i harp on about the west and generally nowhere else is because that is where i happen to have lived all my life (well, socio-economically west) and therefore it is relevant to me. it is also a case of trying to oppose the general concensus among other westerners that nothing is wrong, we lead the world in everything, we have the best system, etc. if i just sat back and accepted that i'd be lying to myself and contributing to the force that drags us down.
I agree. I am just challenging your thoughts. Playing a little bit of devil's advocate in these threads is always fun.

I don't think that the general consensus right now is that "Nothing is wrong". I think most of the population thinks something is wrong, but they don't know what to do about it. They don't want to ruin the comfortable lives their fathers built for them, but at the same time think that something big is coming. The spirit of expedition is done with in the world. We live on this mud ball all as one now, and I think that is a scary thought for the culture that razed the most buildings and blazed the most trails.

[rossmum]

that's the other thing. with the advent of not only ships, but then telephones, aircraft and now the internet, we can't really pretend we all have our own little areas and what happens in x won't affect us in y. look at - i feel kind of bad saying this, but it's the first example that comes to mind for obvious reasons - look at what happened this week. some asshole made a video and uploaded it, on the other side of the world more assholes decided to kill people for it. any one of us in any country or region can have an impact on the other side of the world. the sooner people come to term with this and abandon the caveman line of thought that we all 'belong' to a specific area and that is where our responsibility ends, the better off we will be.

[Warsaw]

Nono

by definition, conservatives would rather things either not change or actually regress, that is pretty much the point of being a conservative and it is not a good thing

some are less awful and obnoxious than others but it is still a bad thing to try and hold back progress for stupid reasons which more often than not have to do with pointless sentimentality or personal religious/moral beliefs which should never, ever, ever be forced upon others.

if you're a conservative in a liberal society, you're free to keep right on not using public healthcare, not being gay, not having children out of wedlock, going to church regularly, or whatever it is conservatives do. if you're a liberal in a conservative society you're basically fucked.


Nonononononononono. Conservative != Republican/Tea Party. I am a conservative. I don't like knee-jerk reactions to social and economic situations, which is what both Republicans and Democrats are doing.

I actually think Reservative is a better label for what most of us true conservative people are. We stop, look both ways, and make an educated decision. We don't vote a man in just because he says his predecessor sucks and he can do better. We don't say that guns should be totally deregulated and dispersed to the masses. We have a clear separation of church and state.

tl;dr: we don't make rash decisions.

To say that the liberals in this country, are any better than the conservatives is a gross display of ignorance. "Liberals" would just as happily prosecute and harass those opting out of health-care and choosing to abstain from sex until marriage as "conservatives" would do for the opposite.

Please refrain from such fanatical, extreme, and sweeping generalizations.

[TVTyrant]

that's the other thing. with the advent of not only ships, but then telephones, aircraft and now the internet, we can't really pretend we all have our own little areas and what happens in x won't affect us in y. look at - i feel kind of bad saying this, but it's the first example that comes to mind for obvious reasons - look at what happened this week. some asshole made a video and uploaded it, on the other side of the world more assholes decided to kill people for it. any one of us in any country or region can have an impact on the other side of the world. the sooner people come to term with this and abandon the caveman line of thought that we all 'belong' to a specific area and that is where our responsibility ends, the better off we will be.
The world is too big for that. The world is flattening, not shrinking. Your actions can be seen across the whole of the world, that's for sure. But at the same time, that doesn't make the vastness of the area it encompasses any smaller or larger. Believing in your roots is different from rejecting others. I get appalled at what happens across the world. But there isn't much I can do about it. I contribute to charities, I donate blood. I do my part. When I graduate from college, I plan on joining the peace corps. But don't tell me that the land of my fathers isn't important, or that it shouldn't be something to protect or cherish. This is where I love to live, and it comes before everything else in my mind. If that makes me some kind of nationalist, then so be it. I'd rather be that than some loser who knows nothing about who he is or what he comes from. My people are loggers, millwrights, and farmers. Men who broke their backs to put food on the table. That's something to be proud of.

[rossmum]

I actually think Reservative is a better label for what most of us true conservative people are. We stop, look both ways, and make an educated decision. We don't vote a man in just because he says his predecessor sucks and he can do better. We don't say that guns should be totally deregulated and dispersed to the masses. We have a clear separation of church and state.

tl;dr: we don't make rash decisions.

To say that the liberals in this country, are any better than the conservatives is a gross display of ignorance. "Liberals" would just as happily prosecute and harass those opting out of health-care and choosing to abstain from sex until marriage as "conservatives" would do for the opposite.

Please refrain from such fanatical, extreme, and sweeping generalizations.
when i use the word liberals, unless it is with various epithets and disclaimers attached, i am not referring to american 'liberals'; i am referring to progressive people who care more about improving the future than dwelling on the past.

you're right though, i do need to watch my generalisations. sorry.


The world is too big for that. The world is flattening, not shrinking. Your actions can be seen across the whole of the world, that's for sure. But at the same time, that doesn't make the vastness of the area it encompasses any smaller or larger. Believing in your roots is different from rejecting others. I get appalled at what happens across the world. But there isn't much I can do about it. I contribute to charities, I donate blood. I do my part. When I graduate from college, I plan on joining the peace corps. But don't tell me that the land of my fathers isn't important, or that it shouldn't be something to protect or cherish. This is where I love to live, and it comes before everything else in my mind. If that makes me some kind of nationalist, then so be it. I'd rather be that than some loser who knows nothing about who he is or what he comes from. My people are loggers, millwrights, and farmers. Men who broke their backs to put food on the table. That's something to be proud of.
that's not what i'm saying. it's fine to love where you're from and want to look after it. what i'm saying is that people cannot pretend that isolationism is an option any longer.

[TVTyrant]

that's not what i'm saying. it's fine to love where you're from and want to look after it. what i'm saying is that people cannot pretend that isolationism is an option any longer.
Well, not until the rest of the world burns to the ground anyways :tinfoil:

[TVTyrant]

I can't decide if I'm being serious in these threads or not lol

[rossmum]

should be, things are going to get worse before they get better

[DarkHalo003]

this is because i find it much quicker and easier to write angrily than to try and keep my cool. i also find it easier to work humour into my posts if i am being a mocking asshole than if i am trying to be polite. however, after several arguments and some deep thought last night, i have arrived at the conclusion that i am a Bad Person and i need to stop tearing strips off people so readily. i am not sure if this will last (probably not), but we will see.


the other side can be divided into subgroups.

subgroup 1 is the best group, they are either very very moderate or they are personal friends who will be more willing to listen and consider points you put to them. these people can be reasoned with quite effectively and may well turn their opinions around as a result. typically they are the kinds of people mxc is talking about.

subgroup 2 is the kind who is more stubborn in their views, at best you might get part of the way to changing them to subgroup 1 but they will never cross the line, no matter how much you try and reason with them. they have been exposed to too many terrible opinions in their lives to think outside of red and blue.

subgroup 3 is basically beyond all hope of salvage and are so entrenched in their awful, terrible views really the best you can hope for is that they die out and their kids are less insane, but generally these same people are so goddamn entrenched they've brainwashed their kids into good little bigots before they're even out of diapers yet. anyone who considers fox news to be anything other than a horrible joke belongs in this group even before they open their mouth to say something stupid.


again, i think you're forgetting who you're talking to - but my point is that you will not get what you want through currently available channels. voting won't do shit, as the majority of the population only sees red and blue, and the few who don't are mostly going to be even worse and vote for ron paul to be The True Messiah And Saviour. you could form the best political party on earth, with the best platform, but the two-party system will continue to exist and to drown out all others with its incessant dichotomous bullshit. until such time as the majority are so fucking fed up they all abandon the major parties, or they get really mad and decide it's time to go remind capitol hill why direct democracy is the best democracy, all you can do is play along with their bullshit and vote for the least bad option. the day will eventually come where a good one presents itself, you just need to bide your time and make sure your country is still recognisable when it does.


I'm glad you recognize this and that you didn't post in rage this time. But yeah, I don't like the Party system at all and frankly it makes me even more wary of the next candidate. It's all just so childish when you look at it. A president shouldn't be glossed up and served to the world by a Party of people who make him a tool for their ends/agenda. This is precisely what I've been seeing for most political leaders over the past decade and frankly I'm getting sick of it. The President should be analyzing the information he's given and command fixes to the biggest problems the nation is facing appropriately within budget. That hasn't happened in almost a decade now. Still too much money is being flushed into Social Services. Still too much budget is given to the Military. Not saying we dice those budgets, but they need to be optimized so we can give a lot more funding for truly important things like Education. The Bureaucracy needs a major rehaul as well as it's just not being cost/time effective. Corruption is still in several different locations that I can't even begin to pinpoint, some as recently discovered as 2012 with Attorney General Holder whom was pardoned by the President before trial. All of these issues cluttering, damaging the infrastructure are seriously messing with the decentness and even greatness of this country.

tl;dr

America needs to detox and reoptimize to fix a lot of their issues.

[rossmum]

what is needed is for councils to be formed in each community, each school, each workplace, and have these decide on local issues and then feed it back up the chain so it gets acted upon.

hmmm, this sounds mighty familiar

[Warsaw]

Sounds highly inefficient. Small communities work better when you have a single strong leader or a small group of figureheads; it's hard for that to get out of hand when you can literally be mobbed and thrown out of office if you screw up.

[rossmum]

ps here's a fun fact most people don't realise

george orwell was a socialist. animal farm isn't about communism being evil, it is about stalin's personality cult being evil and capitalism corrupting shit too

(i bring this up because it came up in discussion earlier with a friend and is not something many people seem able to grasp)

[Emmzee]

yeah right ross next you'll tell us that we arent supposed to empathize with holden caulfield!!!

[Tnnaas]

So Kansas wants to take Barack Obama off the ballot (http://www.enquirerherald.com/2012/09/13/2073265/kan-board-delays-decision-on-obama.html). What the literal flying fuck? The fact that this is even being considered is pissing me off! I've fucking had it with this backwards-ass state.

:smithicide:

[TeeKup]

...They can't do that.

[Rainbow Dash]

Birthers :3

[Tnnaas]

...They can't do that.
The point is that they're considering it.

Where the hell do they get off saying that they need more proof now while he's actually been our president for almost four years?

[Warsaw]

Inbred swine :3

ftfy. :3

[Rainbow Dash]

ftfy. :3

both apply :3

[Kornman00]

So Kansas wants to take Barack Obama off the ballot (http://www.enquirerherald.com/2012/09/13/2073265/kan-board-delays-decision-on-obama.html). What the literal flying fuck? The fact that this is even being considered is pissing me off! I've fucking had it with this backwards-ass state.

:smithicide:
I'm afraid you're not in Kan- oh wait, yes you are :downsrim:

A state should do this with Romney then. Except because he's Mormon. And his father was mexican. And he's a Moron.

[Tnnaas]

A state should do this with Romney then. Except because he's Mormon. And his father was mexican. And he's a Moron.
You have no idea how much I wish this would happen. Not only would it be a swift kick in the Ov Glove's Mitt's groin, but it'll make Kansas feel stupid when they realize they were wrong for doing the same thing.

Still, the law says that if someone is born in the States they are counted as a US citizen, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Basically, the whole "Obama's dad is Kenyan" can't hold any more water than a straining basket.

[Bodzilla]

hey guys, just asking this question please respond.
how does the country he was born in, affect in any way at all whether he can run the country?

[thehoodedsmack]

hey guys, just asking this question please respond.
how does the country he was born in, affect in any way at all whether he can run the country?

They're under the impression that a child born in the USA will be more socialized to the national culture than a child who moved to the USA at the age of 1. And that there exists a serious threat that foreign intelligence agencies will rear children from birth as agents to infiltrate the presidency.

[rossmum]

also a serious danger of a competent, worldly, compassionate human being gaining control of the united states HEYOOOOOO

[DarkHalo003]

also a serious danger of a competent, worldly, compassionate human being gaining control of the united states HEYOOOOOO
I know you'll probably blow-up on this forum for me saying this, but you actually remind me of the extremists who were calling Obama the Anti-Christ. Except now you're calling Romney the Anti-Christ (metaphorically) and you act like Obama is Jesus. I don't know, for someone who agrees that Obama is the only better option because Romney is the worst option, you really act like a die-hard Obama supporter. You know, the kind that denies he has done anything wrong and that he's an utter saint.

Although, if you simply didn't have the words "worldly and compassionate" I probably would have seen your post and been like "Okay, if that's how he feels about Obama versus Romney." The media really does make Obama look like he's Santa Claus to you foreigners, eh?

[=sw=warlord]

There's that condescending attitude again Dark, Obama is not made to look like Santa but when the alternative would happy burn people at the stake because they choose to live lives different to him then Obama does seem a better choice.

Obama may seem like a few of his promises were never kept to but congress has had some word in that.

In reality a lot of the republicans are rotten to the core, some of them even have their core rot out as well.

[DarkHalo003]

There's that condescending attitude again Dark, Obama is not made to look like Santa but when the alternative would happy burn people at the stake because they choose to live lives different to him then Obama does seem a better choice.

Obama may seem like a few of his promises were never kept to but congress has had some word in that.

In reality a lot of the republicans are rotten to the core, some of them even have their core rot out as well.
oh I know, but both aren't really that good to begin with considering what we need right now, so statements that praise him when he doesn't deserve much praise often garner my attention. It also doesn't help when a conniving, liberally-bias media is preaching that exact sentiment and foreign countries tune into the media for this kind of info.

Congress is horrid and is an example of why the two-party system fails. For instance, you might think that diverse groups coming together to resolve a problem is the way to go in a fair representation, but when neither group does anything because of political rivalries it defeats the purpose. It's all about political superiority rather than accomplishing good results. That's one reason why one of the biggest criticisms of Congress is that they do "nothing."

There is also an inverse to your last statement. In reality, there are also a lot of republicans that are not rotten to the core, some of which have a very healthy core. The same can be said of Democrats. Regardless, people and the media focus too much on the Parties' reactions to issues rather than the issues themselves.

[=sw=warlord]

Considering Obama did your nation a bit of justice by ordering gitmo closed [despite congress then blocking such action] I wouldn't be as hasty as you are.
For the most part it was the republicans who got you into the shit you're in now, saying the current leadership isn't doing much is far better than choosing another who would likely try to do something and screw you guys up even further.

[DarkHalo003]

Considering Obama did your nation a bit of justice by ordering gitmo closed [despite congress then blocking such action] I wouldn't be as hasty as you are.
For the most part it was the republicans who got you into the shit you're in now, saying the current leadership isn't doing much is far better than choosing another who would likely try to do something and screw you guys up even further.
Beyond Gitmo and several other major actions like leaving Iraq, he doesn't deserve a whole lot of praise, not nearly as much as Ross is giving him. Things like that should be expected of a President, especially when it involves foreign policy. It's not that he doesn't deserve a pat on the back, it's just that's his job and people don't need to act like he's a Saint for doing what he's been elected to do. As far as I'm concerned, he has not gone beyond the call of his assigned position, thus he does not warrant a lot of praise.

[=sw=warlord]

You realize it was the former president who put those provisions for such shit storms in place?

[DarkHalo003]

You realize it was the former president who put those provisions for such shit storms in place?
I never said he didn't. I was just stating that if something was so serious as there to be a call for its change than it should be considered a job of the President, not an action deserving praise.

[PopeAK49]

I lol'd when I saw ross's big ass post.

[Warsaw]

There's that condescending attitude again Dark, Obama is not made to look like Santa but when the alternative would happy burn people at the stake because they choose to live lives different to him then Obama does seem a better choice.

Obama may seem like a few of his promises were never kept to but congress has had some word in that.

In reality a lot of the republicans are rotten to the core, some of them even have their core rot out as well.

I'm glad you said Republicans and not Conservatives.

:mech2:

[rossmum]

I know you'll probably blow-up on this forum for me saying this, but you actually remind me of the extremists who were calling Obama the Anti-Christ. Except now you're calling Romney the Anti-Christ (metaphorically) and you act like Obama is Jesus. I don't know, for someone who agrees that Obama is the only better option because Romney is the worst option, you really act like a die-hard Obama supporter. You know, the kind that denies he has done anything wrong and that he's an utter saint.
for a joke about why americans don't allow foreign-born citizens to become president, you sure missed the point of that one by several miles. especially since, you know, obama was born in the united states.

i think romney is (metaphorically) the anti-christ because he may as well be. he is a sociopath who will smirk smugly while using the deaths of american citizens as a political weapon - without even checking the facts first. he will utterly destroy what social and economical progress the united states has made. he is completely out of touch and will govern for the benefit of the rich (like, oh i don't know, himself).

obama is not perfect, but he is neither incompetent nor is he out of touch. he actually worked to get where he is, and he's about improving the country for americans, not rich white people. he is not perfect, he is not a saint, and i am not a die-hard supporter in the sense you probably mean, but against any given republican presidential candidate from the past two or three decades? yeah, i guess i am given the competition.


Although, if you simply didn't have the words "worldly and compassionate" I probably would have seen your post and been like "Okay, if that's how he feels about Obama versus Romney." The media really does make Obama look like he's Santa Claus to you foreigners, eh?
did you somehow miss the part where my post was pretty explicitly a joke referring to foreign-born people and why they are not allowed to us presidents? please tell me you are not one of those unsalvageably stupid idiots who actually believes obama was not born in the united states. please.

also, it has nothing to do with the media. it has everything to do with the obvious truth that the republicans, now more than ever, are incompetent, out of touch, and so backwards they are actually a serious danger to any kind of progress towards bringing america into the 21st century along with the rest of the world.


Beyond Gitmo and several other major actions like leaving Iraq, he doesn't deserve a whole lot of praise, not nearly as much as Ross is giving him. Things like that should be expected of a President, especially when it involves foreign policy. It's not that he doesn't deserve a pat on the back, it's just that's his job and people don't need to act like he's a Saint for doing what he's been elected to do. As far as I'm concerned, he has not gone beyond the call of his assigned position, thus he does not warrant a lot of praise.
please point out where i am praising obama blindly. in fact, i don't think i have praised him at all; i have only countered your constant (and constantly baseless) comments about how ineffective and impotent his presidency has been (of which every single case can be blamed on congress, and therefore comes back on the vile pit of ignorance and intolerance that is the republican party). i have also pointed out the plain truth that romney is the second worst thing that could happen to america right now, hot on the heels of ron paul.

read my posts a little more before you respond to them.

[Bobblehob]

The amount of hyperbole thrown around in this thread is astounding...

[Warsaw]

I don't know, the whole world still seems kind of stuck in the late 19th century...

[rossmum]

The amount of hyperbole thrown around in this thread is astounding...
a rather interesting observation, given your posting history

[DarkHalo003]

for a joke about why americans don't allow foreign-born citizens to become president, you sure missed the point of that one by several miles. especially since, you know, obama was born in the united states.

i think romney is (metaphorically) the anti-christ because he may as well be. he is a sociopath who will smirk smugly while using the deaths of american citizens as a political weapon - without even checking the facts first. he will utterly destroy what social and economical progress the united states has made. he is completely out of touch and will govern for the benefit of the rich (like, oh i don't know, himself).

obama is not perfect, but he is neither incompetent nor is he out of touch. he actually worked to get where he is, and he's about improving the country for americans, not rich white people. he is not perfect, he is not a saint, and i am not a die-hard supporter in the sense you probably mean, but against any given republican presidential candidate from the past two or three decades? yeah, i guess i am given the competition.


did you somehow miss the part where my post was pretty explicitly a joke referring to foreign-born people and why they are not allowed to us presidents? please tell me you are not one of those unsalvageably stupid idiots who actually believes obama was not born in the united states. please.

also, it has nothing to do with the media. it has everything to do with the obvious truth that the republicans, now more than ever, are incompetent, out of touch, and so backwards they are actually a serious danger to any kind of progress towards bringing america into the 21st century along with the rest of the world.


please point out where i am praising obama blindly. in fact, i don't think i have praised him at all; i have only countered your constant (and constantly baseless) comments about how ineffective and impotent his presidency has been (of which every single case can be blamed on congress, and therefore comes back on the vile pit of ignorance and intolerance that is the republican party). i have also pointed out the plain truth that romney is the second worst thing that could happen to america right now, hot on the heels of ron paul.

read my posts a little more before you respond to them.
:dramabomb:

I made a joke about why foreigners can't be U.S. Presidents? Where?

You made a joke about why foreigners can't be U.S. Presidents? Where?

Your obvious truth is created based on what the media presents to you because it's the only source you have for finding out information. By media, I mean all sources of information you can readily obtain. It's all biased in some direction and the American mainstream media is either completely Liberally-Biased or Conservatively-Biased. It's not that I'm defending or opposing either candidate in this statement, it's just that you can't proclaim factual evidence based off of opinionated news coverage. The media caught a small smirk on Romney's face, which for all we know could have been a twitch or unknowing smile that happens out of naturally letting go of your muscles (because it does take more muscles to frown then smile), and ran with it after he made that speech. Now are his speeches currently a load of shit using a situation to his advantage? Yes. However, in a different angle, Obama is doing the same because that's what both political parties are doing. It's just a stupid boxing match.

Romney won't run shit into the ground, just like Obama won't. It's all hype and dramatics. He really has no more power than the Queen of England does. You know why? Because Congress has all of the true power like both you and I and everyone else here recognizes. You keep saying the ladder while asserting Romney will someone destroy everything. In reality, the President is just a figure head and a blaming decoy for Congress.

And you should do the same with my posts. You seem to like to dismiss them in favor of your claims which are as "baseless" as mine.

[Warsaw]

Technically, the Queen of England controls the military...

[PopeAK49]

a rather interesting observation, given your posting history

Probably your shortest post in this entire thread.

:allears:

[Rainbow Dash]

try 14th century, dark ages bro, 800 years of nothing!

[DarkHalo003]

Technically, the Queen of England controls the military...
Oh God, the irony.

[TeeKup]

Technically, the Queen of England controls the military...

So does the president. He's just not supposed to use military force until Congress authorizes a state of war.

*looks back ten years*

Yeah no one followed that now did they?

[Warsaw]

It's different with the UK. The military actually swears allegiance to the royalty, not the government, and is technically answerable only to the monarch, who doesn't have to answer to Parliament for her use of troops (did I get this right, Warlord?). In the USA, the President is head commander but he is [supposedly] held accountable for his actions by Congress.

Of course, Congress is broken, so...:v:

[Kornman00]

In the USA, the President is head commander but he is [supposedly] held accountable for his actions by Congress.


*looks back ten years*

Yeah no one followed that now did they?
.

[=sw=warlord]

It's different with the UK. The military actually swears allegiance to the royalty, not the government, and is technically answerable only to the monarch, who doesn't have to answer to Parliament for her use of troops (did I get this right, Warlord?). In the USA, the President is head commander but he is [supposedly] held accountable for his actions by Congress.

Of course, Congress is broken, so...:v:

Correct, There's a reason our military is called the ROYAL armed forces, Royal Navy, Royal Army, Royal Airforce.
Where as the US Naval ships have the prefix USS, all of our warships have HMS [her/his majesty's ship].


All members of the Army swear (or affirm) allegiance to the monarch as commander-in-chief. However the Bill of Rights of 1689 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689) requires Parliamentary consent for the Crown to maintain a standing army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_army) in peacetime.

[Emmzee]

So does the president. He's just not supposed to use military force until Congress authorizes a state of war.
Wrong. The President can't send the country to war unless Congress authorizes it. Military actions are not necessarily war.

[=sw=warlord]

So does the president. He's just not supposed to use military force until Congress authorizes a state of war.

*looks back ten years*

Yeah no one followed that now did they?
But Afghan and Iraq weren't military actions, they're Police actions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_action) :downs:

[Tnnaas]

I'm still wondering where politicians get off that we need to police the entire fucking world.

Pull back all forces to protect the States, lend help to those who need it, and bide your time 'till another country declares war on us.

EDIT: Maybe then we won't have to spend so much money on shooting brown people. Hey, NASA, you wanna send people to Mars now? Here's a few billions for the advancement of the human race. We aren't using many bullets these days. :v:

[TVTyrant]

I'm still wondering where politicians get off that we need to police the entire fucking world.
Because we're the heroes the world deserves, but not the ones it needs. 9/10 people won't recognize this as a joke

[=sw=warlord]

Ah ha ah ha, funny.

[Warsaw]

I'm still wondering where politicians get off that we need to police the entire fucking world.

That would be the whining done by the Allies post-war about how us not getting involved sooner caused shit, and about how they can't clean up their former colonial territories so they need somebody to do it in their stead.

Really, we got ripped off on that deal and then we started believing in the bullshit we were told about it.

[rossmum]

:dramabomb:

I made a joke about why foreigners can't be U.S. Presidents? Where?
nowhere, and i don't recall saying you did?


You made a joke about why foreigners can't be U.S. Presidents? Where?
you are seriously trying my patience now. i am trying to do this 'argue without being a giant cunt' thing but holy hell it is hard when you ask questions like this after quoting THIS post:



also a serious danger of a competent, worldly, compassionate human being gaining control of the united states HEYOOOOOO

...and then posting up some big spergy argument, quoting the above. i mean, if you couldn't tell that was just me being facetious, i have no idea.


Your obvious truth is created based on what the media presents to you because it's the only source you have for finding out information. By media, I mean all sources of information you can readily obtain. It's all biased in some direction and the American mainstream media is either completely Liberally-Biased or Conservatively-Biased.
except, get this, i don't live in america and most of my sources are not american, so your entire argument collapses right there. further to that, my claims that the republicans (and social conservatives in general, economic conservatives are not particularly endearing to me but i actively dislike social conservatives) will fuck america up very badly are based not on what the media tells me, but the shit that comes flowing out of their own mouths and my own world experience and knowledge of history. i don't need the media to tell me how to think, i'm perfectly capable of doing so for myself.

if you cannot take the policies and statements of romney, ryan, and the republicans in general and extrapolate from there that they are horrible people with really bad opinions, then maybe you are someone who needs someone else to tell them how to think.


It's not that I'm defending or opposing either candidate in this statement, it's just that you can't proclaim factual evidence based off of opinionated news coverage.
i can proclaim factual evidence based off of actual words and actions of those involved, regardless of who reports them (if anyone at all). i can't technically call my opinions on what will happen based on which party wins 'fact', but i can very strongly suggest that it doesn't take an expert to figure romney for a serious threat to progress and stability.


The media caught a small smirk on Romney's face, which for all we know could have been a twitch or unknowing smile that happens out of naturally letting go of your muscles (because it does take more muscles to frown then smile), and ran with it after he made that speech.
don't. just don't. you're insulting my intelligence. before, during and after the speech, he was smirking. it wasn't a small smirk and it sure as hell was not a muscle spasm. it was a smirk, unmistakeably so. even if it was a spasm (it wasn't), the fact he was delivering a speech in which he used the deaths of four people to attack obama without even trying to make sure he had some basis to stand on is more than enough. that's not LIEBRUL MEDIA distorting the truth, that is the truth from the man's own mouth.


Now are his speeches currently a load of shit using a situation to his advantage? Yes. However, in a different angle, Obama is doing the same because that's what both political parties are doing. It's just a stupid boxing match.
i don't recall obama personally accusing romney of sympathising with extremists who murdered four people, before their names were even released. there is a world of difference between what romney did, and what obama has done (condemn romney's appalling behaviour, which is what any sane person would do, politician or not).


Romney won't run shit into the ground, just like Obama won't. It's all hype and dramatics.
if that's the case, please explain how reagan did a very good job of running the us into the ground


He really has no more power than the Queen of England does.
the queen has an ungodly amount of power, the difference being that she just doesn't bother to use it


You know why? Because Congress has all of the true power like both you and I and everyone else here recognizes. You keep saying the ladder while asserting Romney will someone destroy everything. In reality, the President is just a figure head and a blaming decoy for Congress.
okay, then:

"the republicans will destroy everything, because the republicans are inherently bad people, and their awful policies and terrible worldview are summarised nicely in mitt romney"

better?


And you should do the same with my posts. You seem to like to dismiss them in favor of your claims which are as "baseless" as mine.
i'm not the one who quoted a joke, made a serious reply, then couldn't work out there was a joke post made in the thread. just saying.


It's different with the UK. The military actually swears allegiance to the royalty, not the government, and is technically answerable only to the monarch, who doesn't have to answer to Parliament for her use of troops (did I get this right, Warlord?).
this is the case in all commonwealth nations as far as i am aware, it's certainly the case here. the government wasn't mentioned even in passing.

[=sw=warlord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA&feature=player_detailpage

Can you say political suicide?


"They will vote for this President no matter what,These are people who pay no income tax... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

[Rainbow Dash]

The only people who are going to vote for him are retards, and retards won't care.

[DarkHalo003]

@Warlord: I hope to God that's out of context by the maker of the video....because if it isn't that really is political suicide.


nowhere, and i don't recall saying you did?

you are seriously trying my patience now. i am trying to do this 'argue without being a giant cunt' thing but holy hell it is hard when you ask questions like this after quoting THIS post:

...and then posting up some big spergy argument, quoting the above. i mean, if you couldn't tell that was just me being facetious, i have no idea.

except, get this, i don't live in america and most of my sources are not american, so your entire argument collapses right there. further to that, my claims that the republicans (and social conservatives in general, economic conservatives are not particularly endearing to me but i actively dislike social conservatives) will fuck america up very badly are based not on what the media tells me, but the shit that comes flowing out of their own mouths and my own world experience and knowledge of history. i don't need the media to tell me how to think, i'm perfectly capable of doing so for myself.

if you cannot take the policies and statements of romney, ryan, and the republicans in general and extrapolate from there that they are horrible people with really bad opinions, then maybe you are someone who needs someone else to tell them how to think.

i can proclaim factual evidence based off of actual words and actions of those involved, regardless of who reports them (if anyone at all). i can't technically call my opinions on what will happen based on which party wins 'fact', but i can very strongly suggest that it doesn't take an expert to figure romney for a serious threat to progress and stability.

don't. just don't. you're insulting my intelligence. before, during and after the speech, he was smirking. it wasn't a small smirk and it sure as hell was not a muscle spasm. it was a smirk, unmistakeably so. even if it was a spasm (it wasn't), the fact he was delivering a speech in which he used the deaths of four people to attack obama without even trying to make sure he had some basis to stand on is more than enough. that's not LIEBRUL MEDIA distorting the truth, that is the truth from the man's own mouth.

i don't recall obama personally accusing romney of sympathising with extremists who murdered four people, before their names were even released. there is a world of difference between what romney did, and what obama has done (condemn romney's appalling behaviour, which is what any sane person would do, politician or not).

if that's the case, please explain how reagan did a very good job of running the us into the ground

the queen has an ungodly amount of power, the difference being that she just doesn't bother to use it

okay, then:

"the republicans will destroy everything, because the republicans are inherently bad people, and their awful policies and terrible worldview are summarised nicely in mitt romney"

better?

i'm not the one who quoted a joke, made a serious reply, then couldn't work out there was a joke post made in the thread. just saying.

this is the case in all commonwealth nations as far as i am aware, it's certainly the case here. the government wasn't mentioned even in passing.
Well I'm finally being able to understand you that much better. Thank you for replying to my post. You also took that reply too seriously if it has you this worked up. I thought it was just casual talk. :(

And maybe you should work on your jokes because I got nothing you were joking about....and it's pretty easy to make me laugh. :downs:

[=sw=warlord]

Take a guess whether it's out of context, you have over a minutes worth to decide.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAIDfwrghHw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3vwuXMw7ac

[Cagerrin]

And maybe you should work on your jokes. :downs:
Hey, he is working on you~

[DarkHalo003]

Hey, he is working on you~
:nom:

Still a better speaker than Romney:
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We -- we own it. It is not you owning it, and not politicians owning it. Politicians are employees of ours.




And -- so -- they are just going to come around and beg for votes every few years. It is the same old deal. But I just think it is important that you realize , that you're the best in the world. Whether you are a Democrat or Republican or whether you're libertarian or whatever, you are the best. And we should not ever forget that. And when somebody does not do the job, we got to let them go.




We don't have to be -- what I'm saying, we do not have to be metal (ph) masochists and vote for somebody that we don't really even want in office just because they seem to be nice guys or maybe not so nice guys, if you look at some of the recent ads going out there, I don't know.

[rossmum]

the reason i got 'worked up' is because i had to spend like three posts explaining a simple gimmickpost everyone else got just fine. how often do i make a realpost ending in "HEYOOO"?

[=sw=warlord]

you just did :downs:

[TVTyrant]

you just did :downs:
:iamafag:

[Emmzee]

this thread is fyad

[DarkHalo003]

the reason i got 'worked up' is because i had to spend like three posts explaining a simple gimmickpost everyone else got just fine. how often do i make a realpost ending in "HEYOOO"?
:dramabomb:

[Emmzee]

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[PopeAK49]

Man. Most of the energy you guys use to post with your fingers on this website could have been used with your mouths instead. You know, used for that thing called society.

So much potential, yet another lost purpose. Humanity is fascinating.

[Warsaw]

The problem with that is when you head out the door and try to start up such conversations with people, they get disinterested and/or don't know enough to actually formulate an opinion.

Although it may not always look like it, Modacity actually comprises a group of very intelligent and perceptive minds that share common interests; that's why this forum exists in the first place. Modacity has gone from being primarily a mod site into an intellectual sounding board. That's why we can have conversations like this.

[PopeAK49]

The problem with that is when you head out the door and try to start up such conversations with people, they get disinterested and/or don't know enough to actually formulate an opinion.

Although it may not always look like it, Modacity actually comprises a group of very intelligent and perceptive minds that share common interests; that's why this forum exists in the first place. Modacity has gone from being primarily a mod site into an intellectual sounding board. That's why we can have conversations like this.

You just don't talk to "people" about stuff like that. You have to start out slow and join groups or clubs, those groups/clubs then interact with people about concerning issues. A great example can be the fellow students at my university whom joined a "Stop the Pebble Mine" group and created petitions for people to sign. You bet that they racked up over 200 signatures in two hours.

It's also about the environment your doing it in. If you can do it in a virtual environment, it's not as difficult to do it in real life. To my opinion, most people seem much more open minded when speaking to someone in person as opposed to a profile with a string of text.

[Timo]

Man. Most of the energy you guys use to post with your fingers on this website could have been used with your mouths instead. You know, used for that thing called society.

So much potential, yet another lost purpose. Humanity is fascinating.

That's deep bro. Real deep.

[Warsaw]

You just don't talk to "people" about stuff like that. You have to start out slow and join groups or clubs, those groups/clubs then interact with people about concerning issues. A great example can be the fellow students at my university whom joined a "Stop the Pebble Mine" group and created petitions for people to sign. You bet that they racked up over 200 signatures in two hours.

It's also about the environment your doing it in. If you can do it in a virtual environment, it's not as difficult to do it in real life. To my opinion, most people seem much more open minded when speaking to someone in person as opposed to a profile with a string of text.

Oh I don't just walk up to random people and ask them how they feel about politics. But I'm not going to go out of my way to join political interest groups either just so I have a group of people do bounce my political ideas off of--debating within a group about the semantics of a topic we fundamentally agree on is a sure recipe for zero progress.

No, I use this forum to get a sense of where more enlightened minds are heading, not so that I can get work done. I'm in no position to make a major change; I don't have any support mechanisms in place.

[PopeAK49]

Oh I understand that the internet in general is a great resource for information and maybe another catalyst for entrepreneurship. And I no doubt respect your opinion at looking at others posts and questioning them, but I mean for some of the others on here whom have potential to bring all of this stuff to the next level.

I shouldn't of stated that they don't share their ideas with others in the real world, when they probably do (or I'm hoping so).

I just admire those folks who perform real world debates and are true activists. I just think you have a better chance of making a change by social interaction to the outside world as opposed to the internet.

To put it together, I think the internet should be a source of finding the information you want to use and question (sadly it's extremely abused). But stating and using that information can be even more beneficial to the outside world because you are expressing those words with your voice instead of symbols (those symbols being words).

[rossmum]

something like a third to a half of my state doesn't even know who our premier is

as in, they literally do not know it is him, they have no idea who is premier or who barry o'farrell is

so yeah

[=sw=warlord]

Personally I find web forums to be one of the best mediums to make comments on actually important topics because there's such a vast range of locations people come from.
If you had only 30 people on a forum and all of them were from different sections of the world, your message has then passed barriers and has become much more widespread even if it is low volume.

On a day to day basis most people won't have the time to sit down and discuss important subjects because they're either busy with their own business or they are focusing on something else that's in the news, for instance in the UK two police officers have just been killed in a grenade attack, I severely doubt too many here will know of that because the news on the event is likely to be broadcast only locally.
How ever everyone here knows of PIPA, SOPA and ACTA whilst the majority of the populations may not even know what they entail nor what their purpose is.

[Patrickssj6]

I lurk just to get my daily dosis of oversea information and some political views. I keep discussions to RL though.

[Warsaw]

I just admire those folks who perform real world debates and are true activists. I just think you have a better chance of making a change by social interaction to the outside world as opposed to the internet.


I admire them for putting themselves at such great risk, but I believe that real change is affected behind the scenes, quietly. The activist is the figurehead that grabs the attention of the hostile powers so that somebody with the means can slip in and destroy them.

I'm the type who likes to work behind the scenes. As such, observation and extrapolation are my tools, where as the activist's tools are charisma and sensation.

My question to the more vocal people on here is this: are you this vocal in the physical world or are you so vocal here because you know the people here and you know your message will be received?

[Rainbow Dash]

xwIr_dsuyCs

[=sw=warlord]

Romney Threatened To Cancel Univision Forum If Organizers Didn’t Allow Him To Bus In Supporters
Mitt Romney packed the audience for a Univision forum earlier this week, BuzzFeed’s McKay Coppins reports (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/22/893531/romney-threatened-to-cancel-univision-forum-if-organizers-didnt-allow-him-to-bus-in-supporters/), busing in local supporters “after exhausting the few conservative groups on campus.” The campaign threatened to “reschedule” the event if organizers did not allow the “rowdy activists from around southern Florida in order to fill the extra seats at their town hall.”


Friend of mine had a interesting solution:

As a christian. I believe Romney is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. As such, lets crucify him and get it over with already.

[TVTyrant]

Is this even an election anymore? Like seriously, this is a joke at this point.

[Rainbow Dash]

Is this even an election anymore? Like seriously, this is a joke at this point.

*implying that it ever wasn't a joke*

[TVTyrant]

*implying that it ever wasn't a joke*
>implying

[Tnnaas]

http://bacon.modacity.net/img/images/1345967379720.gif

Am I cool now?

[TVTyrant]

http://bacon.modacity.net/img/images/1345967379720.gif

Am I cool now?
yes

[t3h m00kz]

xwIr_dsuyCs

lol, biggest crock of shit I've ever heard. "There is no lesser of two evils."

I'd rather be lead under some guy who had the balls to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell and come out in support of gay marriage than some guy who scoffs at the legalization of marijuana, mocks 47% of the country, and avoids taxes like the plague.

Do I think Obama is a perfect president who will live up to every promise he makes and will lead us all to a golden age of prosperity? fuck no. do I think the government isn't fundamentally corrupt? absolutely not. but voting Obama is a closer step than Romney, small of a step as it might be.

Boycotting is pointless, because the election will not stop in it's tracks. Actually throwing voice in and saying which one of these assholes gets to lead us is still pretty useless, but at least it helps carve the way for our inevitable future.

Also loved the whole "If you don't 100% agree with me you're an idiot" part.

[Rainbow Dash]

I'd rather be lead under some guy who had the balls to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell and come out in support of gay marriage than some guy who scoffs at the legalization of marijuana, mocks 47% of the country, and avoids taxes like the plague.

And the guy who put up no resistance to NDAA, continued instituting failed policies of his predecessor, etc etc.



Also loved the whole "If you don't 100% agree with me you're an idiot" part.

Well that's because you are, oops! If you really believe that gays in the military, and gay marriage is more important than the NDAA, Patriot act, and the endless bloody wars (and so on) that have been going on longer than most of us have been alive, which have killed countless people and are supported by both sides, then you are nothing more than an unbelievably self centered little piece of shit.

It's obvious at this point that it has barely accomplished anything in moving the human race forward, and until everyone realizes that, and takes real action, we are all just as fucked as we are now.

[rossmum]

Boycotts are going to be ineffective as long as there are two people left who will vote.

All you can do is vote for the least terrible option while trying to figure out how to get something better to take its place. Here's a start: persuade other people to get involved in said figuring out.

[Rainbow Dash]

Everyone knows the action that needs to be taken already, there isn't much figuring out to be done in that regard.

[TVTyrant]

War is a good thing, and so is denying people their freedoms for security. I don't see how you can think otherwise.

[t3h m00kz]

Well that's because you are, oops!

fuck man guess mitt was right about me



If you really believe that gays in the military, and gay marriage is more important than the NDAA, Patriot act, and the endless bloody wars (and so on) that have been going on longer than most of us have been alive, which have killed countless people and are supported by both sides, then you are nothing more than an unbelievably self centered little piece of shit.

yeah man, because the government killing people is totally something we as citizens of a corrupt nation filled with christian fundamentalist voters run by wealthy juggernaut industries can put an end to. how dare the citizens try to change what we can with the cards we're dealt, we're a bunch of useless, self-centered sheep giving into the system.


It's obvious at this point that it has barely accomplished anything in moving the human race forward, and until everyone realizes that, and takes real action, we are all just as fucked as we are now.

that's deep bro. yeah man we need to overthrow the government.

http://www.welovetheherb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Stoner-Kitty.jpg

[Emmzee]

cats love weed

[Tnnaas]

Don legulize mariwanna, Obama. Grass killed my frend cuz he got canser.

[t3h m00kz]

I'm not a cat you big silly goose

http://s14.postimage.org/4jaojm1dd/H8q_Hj.png

[Emmzee]

it seems unironically enjoying a show made for 8 year old girls has turned him into a retard (not big surprise)

[PopeAK49]

Sel should just assemble an army of ponies and attack the white house.

[Rainbow Dash]

yeah man, because the government killing people is totally something we as citizens of a corrupt nation run by wealthy juggernaut industries can put an end to. how dare the citizens try to change what we can with the cards we're dealt, we're a bunch of self-centered sheep giving into the system.

Yeah man, it's not like the people give all those entities power or something, it's not like without their support they would have no power over anything or something xddd



that's deep bro. yeah man we need to overthrow the government.

http://www.welovetheherb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Stoner-Kitty.jpg


Oh stop being so fucking childish. It's hardly some radical new concept, that hasn't ever happened before. If you're content with you and everyone you know being fucked by a horrible social system then by all means continue to vote and convince yourself that that's your only option for action. Let's just see how bad you let things get before you figure it out.

[Emmzee]

shut up bitch

[TVTyrant]

Sel should just assemble an army of ponies and attack the Illuminati headquarters.
ftfy taking the piss here, not being serious

[TVTyrant]

If you're content with you and everyone you know being fucked by a horrible social system then by all means continue to vote and convince yourself that that's your only option for action.
Except, I'm not? I'm going to college off the shoulders of my loving parents, who's parents paid for them to go to college, who's parents were steelworkers and mechanics and farmers, who's parents were Norwegian/Irish/Danish/Scottish immigrants who busted their asses to get their kids a chance at life. A chance they could only get in America (circa 1920 anyways). The social system did pretty well for them, and I'm not saying it is perfect, but as long as you put in your guts it will work out for you too. Gotta sweat and bleed to earn the right to feed and read.

E: Due to my bad writing as of current, I made it sound like I am only a third generation American. I am a fourth. My bad.

[Emmzee]

his ancestors didnt immigrate until the 20th century lmfao!!!!!!

[TVTyrant]

his ancestors didnt immigrate until the 20th century lmfao!!!!!!
:'( don't make fun of my refugee from WWI ancestry plz it's very hurtful.

[Emmzee]

my family were victims of the northern oppression of the civil war and i can trace my ancestry to 16th century colonial america. owned noob

[Rainbow Dash]

A chance they could only get in America (circa 1920 anyways). The social system did pretty well for them,


Except for WW1, the crash of 1930, WW2, Cold War, Vietnam, Nixon, should I go on?



and I'm not saying it is perfect, but as long as you put in your guts it will work out for you too. Gotta sweat and bleed to earn the right to feed and read.


As can be evidenced by everyone now working longer hours, for less pay, and the skyrocketing poverty levels in almost every developed country...?

What. Not to mention that in the case of academics, it makes literally no sense to force the people who are taking part in high level education, to go and work some dumb, unnecessary job that doesn't even use the knowledge they have.

[TVTyrant]

my family were victims of the northern oppression of the civil war and i can trace my ancestry to 16th century colonial america. owned noob
British immigrant trash

[t3h m00kz]

I don't know who my parents were :-3

[TVTyrant]

What. Not to mention that in the case of academics, it makes literally no sense to force the people who are taking part in high level education, to go and work some dumb, unnecessary job that doesn't even use the knowledge they have.
Uh my parents are teachers my and my grandmother is a social worker. Totes unnecessary dawg!

[TVTyrant]

I don't know who my parents were :-3
Thread winner

[PopeAK49]

What. Not to mention that in the case of academics, it makes literally no sense to force the people who are taking part in high level education, to go and work some dumb, unnecessary job that doesn't even use the knowledge they have.

I'm guessing you mean some of the GER classes at college, otherwise what you said is pure bullshit.

I went to a vocational school for IT and got a job that year working as a Desktop technician for a native corporation. I was able to do almost everything I learned from PC hardware and software, to OS distribution, Server/Active Directory, and Networking.

I'm going to college not only to earn promotions but to also develop leadership/project/workplace skills. I do find some of the GERs to be pointless if that is what you mean.

I'm sure the same can be said about other majors and not just IT.

[t3h m00kz]

Oh stop being so fucking childish.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/customavatars/avatar4656_4.gif

[PopeAK49]

^LOL

[TVTyrant]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/customavatars/avatar4656_4.gif
Once again, t3h m00kz wins the internets.

[t3h m00kz]

naw bro I'm a dick

I'm gonna get b& ;{

[itszutak]

m00kz 2012

[t3h m00kz]

the oval office will look like a hippy van when I'm done with it.

[Kornman00]

War is a good thing, and so is denying people their freedoms for security.
:gtfo: of America with that shit

[PopeAK49]

Yo mookz, your avatar looks badass.

[t3h m00kz]

HAH

FURFAG
tylol<3

[PopeAK49]

HAH

FURFAG
tylol<3

:mech:

[neuro]

you know, to all you fuckwits 'but you like ponies LOOL' is an argument a 5-year old would use, and on top of that, it's not even an argument.

you're just being fucking retards.

also i vote re-ban emzee.

[Donut]

this thread stopped being serious a while ago dude. whatever shred of seriousness was dissipated when a pony avatar got shot tagged across the screen
im with you on points 2 and 3 though

[t3h m00kz]

this thread stopped being serious a while ago dude. whatever shred of seriousness was dissipated when someone labled anybody who disagreed with him as an idiot

Ftfy :-3

[=sw=warlord]

Holy crap, I post a news article about mitt being a retard and a bunch of mini Romneys show up.

[rossmum]

i was about to ask what the fuck happened to this thread, but then i saw emmzee had been posting and my question answered itself


Everyone knows the action that needs to be taken already, there isn't much figuring out to be done in that regard.
good luck persuading even impoverished minorities to take up arms, let alone the fucking white middle class. they will readily admit the system is fucked, but get this: they care more about living in a reasonably stable, 'secure', and passably comfortable society than they are willing to actually weather a little harshness to build a better one.

the only way you will push people over the edge is to prove that security and comfort no longer actually exists, as history has proven time and time again. we either wait for the government to eventually overstep that invisible threshold, or we start looking for either another way, or some means of speeding up the process.


:gtfo: of America with that shit
hahahaha america has absolutely never been any more protective of its citizens' rights and freedoms than any other given nation, i cannot believe people still think it is somehow different

[Emmzee]

also i vote re-ban emzee.
What? WHAT WAS THAT? Sorry I must have misheard, I thought I heard a giant faggot mouthing off at me with something he sure as fuck could never back up, but it must have just been my imagination. Because after I imagined hearing that, I proceeded to imagine how good it would feel to break that persons fucking spinal cord over my knee. I imagined how my next step is usually to rip out one of the persons fucking ribs and jab it straight through their nose into their brain cavity. I imagined pulling that rib back out, and then brainfucking that dead faggot through the new massive hole in his face I created.

But I didn't really hear anything, right? no one would be fucking dumb enough to talk to me like that on here.

[Spartan094]

lolwut

[t3h m00kz]

What? WHAT WAS THAT? Sorry I must have misheard, I thought I heard a giant faggot mouthing off at me with something he sure as fuck could never back up, but it must have just been my imagination. Because after I imagined hearing that, I proceeded to imagine how good it would feel to break that persons fucking spinal cord over my knee. I imagined how my next step is usually to rip out one of the persons fucking ribs and jab it straight through their nose into their brain cavity. I imagined pulling that rib back out, and then brainfucking that dead faggot through the new massive hole in his face I created.

But I didn't really hear anything, right? no one would be fucking dumb enough to talk to me like that on here.

Block, move on. Works wonders.

[t3h m00kz]

RELAX

[PopeAK49]

you know, to all you fuckwits 'but you like ponies LOOL' is an argument a 5-year old would use, and on top of that, it's not even an argument.

you're just being fucking retards.

also i vote re-ban emzee.

Typical.

[=sw=warlord]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Scan-of-original-poster-1939-300px.jpg

[itszutak]

lol political threads