Coming for XP: Halo 2

[xExus]

I just had to post this..http://www.prleap.com/pr/77567/

According to this information, XP users will have the abillity to play Halo 2 on their PC!Sweet!

[Siliconmaster]

Damn- beat me to it by about 2 minutes. Lol. I'm very excited by this- I have a friend with Vista, and I have XP, so I can easily compare to make sure they work the same. Regardless, H2 on XP is awesome on a stick. :P

Yay for friendly companies. :)

[Sunray]

Hmm. I am inclined to agree with jcap (EDIT: but he deleted his post. Great. http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/confused1.gif). Not only that but I would like to see them try it with Microsoft's permission. I'm sure that they won't be happy and I would imagine that they will try to put an end to this.

[SnaFuBAR]

this is gonna get squashed so fast. h2 on the pc is their first gfwl launch. no way are they gonna let this happen.

[thehoodedsmack]

They should have kept it quiet until sometime after the launch.

[Amit]

I'm still wondering if this is bullshit.

[Chewy Gumball]

You also have no idea how good performance will be.

[PTS]

Won't believe it til I see it.

[Zeph]

And they plan to get Live working on XP how?

[someone]

No. I don't believe it. Because Bungie, Hired gun and MSG(H2V) said it'll be Vista only. Fasa studios and MSG said it for Shadowrun too, so it's FAKE information.

[MereCatfish]

Strange.

Read their forum, quite a few complaints about them.

[MissnL1nK]

I wouldn't get excited just yet.

My imo: Go buy Vista, you'll need it eventually anyway.

[Aklass]

You also have no idea how good performance will be.
xp is better because it has open gl and vista doesnt

[SuperSunny]

xp is better because it has open gl and vista doesnt

That's so wrong. Halo 2 doesn't even use OpenGL. And Vista has OpenGL.

[Aklass]

pc mag says gaming lag on vista vs xp due to lack of opengl or it just doet support it

[Amit]

Well PC gaming magazine is wrong. Gaming is probably better on Vista. Also has anyone checked out the Lost Planet PC demo? The camera movement sucks, the graphics are amazing though. I downloaded on my other pc too that has a Radeon x1600 pro, the graphics are nice but everything had to be on low settings and the game didnt run very smooth but it still ran decent for a next gen game using old tech

[MissnL1nK]

Gaming on Vista is really nice if you have over 1gb of ram, which most do. Vista is a really good OS imo.

And as far as Vista not having OpenGL, umm wtf are you talking about?

[p0lar_bear]

Dude, OpenGL sucks compared to DirectX.

For comparison, OpenGL graphics are Half-Life, Unreal Tournament, and Quake. DirectX graphics are Half-Life 2, Unreal Tournament 200x, and Halo/Halo 2.

[Terry]

And they plan to get Live working on XP how?

You're joking right?

[Hotrod]

I hope that this is real because, in my opinion, Microsoft/Bungie/Hired Gun made a really bad move in making Halo 2 for Vista only. This will get many more people to buy the game, therefore letting them make more money. Most people won't buy a new OS just for a game. And yes, I know that we will need Vista eventually, but not everybody has the money to buy Vista right now (or the permission).

[Aklass]

i dont need $$for vista i just need high internet speed

[Hotrod]

Wait, why wouldn't you need money for Vista? Are you planning to get it without paying? How bad :fail:.

[p0lar_bear]

By the way, you folks all do know that LIVE is self-contained within the program itself, right?

[AAA]

By the way, you folks all do know that LIVE is self-contained within the program itself, right?

The Vista Program?? or Halo 2 program??

I know it sounds stupid, but the question in my mind was of this Live stuff for the XP.

[Roostervier]

That is why they count on making sales a while after Vista isn't so new anymore. If I just got Vista (assuming I did not already have it) I know I would want something to do on it. What better than to buy a game? Granted, it won't be a huge release hit, but it will make continual sales (unless it really sucks that bad >_>).

[p0lar_bear]

The LIVE dashboard and stuff is self contained within the game, it seems. Unless, of course, the LIVE stuff is all actually DLLs that exist within the windows folder somewhere.

[Agamemnon]

And they plan to get Live working on XP how?
This is where the thread ended, tbh.

[someone]

The LIVE dashboard and stuff is self contained within the game, it seems. Unless, of course, the LIVE stuff is all actually DLLs that exist within the windows folder somewhere.
That's how the GFWL version 1 works. Within the game only. From what I've heard version 2 is going to be accessible outside the games on your desktop. And I think that v2 comes out at the end of this year(check the post from that HG member in the news forums).

[WolfenRage]

That's so wrong. Halo 2 doesn't even use OpenGL. And Vista has OpenGL.

I have Vista and my OpenGL games play like Doom3, Quake4 play like crap now (1-10fps) it has opengl emulation trough directx and it sucks

edit btw, I wish they would have said this early. It could have effected how many people have bought vista

[StankBacon]

its a scam.

[Phopojijo]

xp is better because it has open gl and vista doesntVista has OpenGL o.O Thats what Maya, for instance, uses for its viewport renderer.

[Limited]

In a way I hope its fake. Although it would be cool. If it is real, it will be totally useless in a way.

H2v uses Windows LIVE. Not compatible with XP, it isnt built in with XP, it is with vista. So basically it will be h2v with no working internet part of it which in my eyes is pointless.


By the way, you folks all do know that LIVE is self-contained within the program itself, right?Not the whole system works of LIVE is in the game. Yes the dashboard that VIEWS LIVE is. But the core system of live is incorperated in Vista. So basically games just have part of the LIVE system in them that allows them to connect/use the LIVE system. However it isnt FULL LIVE.

[Cortexian]

Vista doesn't emulate OpenGL, it HAS OpenGL. I can play all my old OpenGL games fine, I can use OpenGL in 3ds max and everything, no lag whatsoever. I think your PC's just suck.

[HMReaper]

Its fake. Getting online to work on Xp would basically be like porting the game to another counsole. by the time they finish doing it they would have spent ALOT of unnessisary money and halo 3 would be out. Dont belive everything u see on the net. and also did u even look at that site...its crap. i wouldent belive it if everyone on the net was saying its true.

[Zeph]

The LIVE dashboard and stuff is self contained within the game, it seems. Unless, of course, the LIVE stuff is all actually DLLs that exist within the windows folder somewhere.

Yeah, there are Vista only DLLs and such for Live.

[bcrt2000]

Have you guys heard of a company called Transgaming? They have a program called Cedega which runs Windows games on Linux.

example: http://www.transgaming.com/images/transgaming/screenshots/cedega60/bf_01.jpg

Falling Leaf is working on something like that, but basically they are working on running Vista exclusive games on XP.


Its possible, the question is whether Falling Leaf has the resources to actually pull this off. They already have some tech demos running some DX10 stuff in Windows XP on their website.

[Knight]

And probaly Microsoft will sue the hell out of them..

I think its a bad idea to port it over to XP anyways...

[AAA]

its a scam.

for some reason, I kinda hope so........=/

[Agamemnon]

repeat of what has already been said
You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

[Edward Elrich]

Wait, they're trying to make you buy something that, for all purposes, is a Windows Vista emulator for XP. Microsoft allow someone to make an emulator for the games they're using to promote Vista (and LIVE)? And selling it for money? I think not. (oh, I can't wait to see what Microsoft does about this...)
This is also assuming that Windows XP can use the emulator. I thought emulators were used to let you use programs that worked on an OLDER version of software/hardware. What company in their right mind would actually let you legally use an emulator for a new piece of software. (I stress legally, because some people don't care what's legal and what's not. I'm not referring to anyone here, of course. What CMT is doing isn't illegal, they're using HCE for exactally the purpose it was intended. Kickass custom maps)

[bcrt2000]

Wait, they're trying to make you buy something that, for all purposes, is a Windows Vista emulator for XP. Microsoft allow someone to make an emulator for the games they're using to promote Vista (and LIVE)? And selling it for money? I think not. (oh, I can't wait to see what Microsoft does about this...)


Well, like I said before, Transgaming is already selling a windows compatibility layer for linux, and that project has been going on for years (and yes, MS knows about it), so I don't see why they'd start suing now.

[bcrt2000]

You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

Most people who are shooting down this idea in this thread are saying its not feasible. I was just reinforcing that it was (with some hard evidence).

[p0lar_bear]

Personally, I don't care what happens. If it does happen, hooray. If it doesn't happen, then oh well. If these guys get wtfpwned by Microsoft, then oh well + lol.

[WolfenRage]

Vista doesn't emulate OpenGL, it HAS OpenGL. I can play all my old OpenGL games fine, I can use OpenGL in 3ds max and everything, no lag whatsoever. I think your PC's just suck.

My Computer played OpenGL perfectly before my upgrade to Vista
its just ATI hasn't released any drivers for it yet

[bcrt2000]

My Computer played OpenGL perfectly before my upgrade to Vista
its just ATI hasn't released any drivers for it yet


Before I upgraded my video card I had the same problem with my GeForce 3. I think Nvidia stopped supporting all video cards that can't support Aero Glass in Vista. While I could run games in Vista (with the default driver), Open GL performance was terrible because Nvidia didn't release any drivers with Open GL support for older cards. Perhaps ATI is doing something similar.

[WolfenRage]

I wouldn't worry. Both ATI and Nvidia will release drivers for Vista. It just they are taking such a long time. I speculate that Nvidia will update first. It shouldn't be a future problem with newer games Im 99% sure all new games will be Directx except games that are developed by ID software

Ive turned my Aero effects off cause they just take up more resources (improved opengl games a little too, still sucks though)
I suggest reading The tweak guide companion for vista (http://www.tweakguides.com/TGTC.html)

[Agamemnon]

Most people who are shooting down this idea in this thread are saying its not feasible. I was just reinforcing that it was (with some hard evidence).
Yes, I bet Microsoft with its Vista-authentication Live system software wouldn't pick up if you weren't running Vista.

[demonmaster3k]

example: http://www.transgaming.com/images/transgaming/screenshots/cedega60/bf_01.jpg

ooohhhh BF2142 that game rox (i just don't have the hardware to play it)

[Patrickssj6]

korn hacks: *announcer voice* circumcised! Round over.

Short summary of what Korn told me:

Sapien & H2V both use various APIs (ie, Vista Game Explorer APIs) which are restricted to Vista only.They are part of the Vista DirectX system whose files don't run on Windows XP.He said unless you emulate DirectX for XP this won't be possible.

[ShadowCloud]

I think the Live is made within the game.

[Xegrot]

I think the Live is made within the game.

Off topic by a little, are we?

[Hotrod]

Not really, he was saying that Live was made withing Halo 2 Vista and Live is only compatible with Vista. Therefore he was saying that to make Halo 2 Vista MP compatible with XP, they would have to figure out a way to make Live work on XP as well.

[Xegrot]

Not really, he was saying that Live was made withing Halo 2 Vista and Live is only compatible with Vista. Therefore he was saying that to make Halo 2 Vista MP compatible with XP, they would have to figure out a way to make Live work on XP as well.

Ahhh, I had the feeling I was missing something...