TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY! GEEZE

[Dwood]

http://www.ted.com/talks/tan_le_a_headset_that_reads_your_brainwaves.html

Kickstarter:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tanttle/emotiv-insight-optimize-your-brain-fitness-and-per

First, the Oculus Rift, now the Emotiv insight. I'm gonna DIE lol.


An early version in real use:
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[neuro]

HAHAHAH 'it takes an experienced 3d artist five days to make this fucking blob'

couldnt watch it past there.


looks like SPORE with a shit headset interface.
i tried one of these things a year or 2 back, and they dont work for shit.

[Donut]

Funny, you'd think with a name like neuro you'd be more open to the idea of a neural interface device. It's not like the application is limited to 3D modeling.

[neuro]

no, it's just that i've tried like 5 different version of these back in france, because the company wanted to make a game for this type of shit.

problem is, they don't work for shit.
they just DON'T.

you have to individually calibrate them for every single person, and that took like a day of 'practice' and even then it was a stupid interface for doing anything.
sure it's 'neat and cool' but aside from that, in their current form, these interfaces are shit, and there's nothing more to say about it.

the Emotiv was one of the devices we tested.
they also don't work for anyone who has hair, because the pads wont make a connection to your head.

trust me, it looks cool and shit, but it's garbage.

[Patrickssj6]

lol some neuro seems butthurt. dude, this stuff is in its early stage, someone has to start somewhere.


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but imo this has some other far better uses than drawing monsters

[Donut]

lol some neuro seems butthurt. dude, this stuff is in its early stage, someone has to start somewhere.

but imo this has some other far better uses than drawing monsters
My thoughts exactly

[Dwood]

I did some studying of the products, and I have decided that yes, I am going to pledge to the kickstarter... increasing the amount of time until I get a new computer. :sigh:

That being said, however, i have a theory that as neuro said, the product is at an infant stage- only capable of a few basic functions besides reading face muscle tension, etc (you can now have ai, for ex. in Fallout/TES 'read' your face, which is, imo, cool enough on its own). I also think the Emotiv company is trying to propel its products as much as possible without discussing past attempts and limitations of other companies etc, as opposed to the Oculus, which discusses openly about the strides made there.

On the other hand, it is obvious that such devices are the future of computer-human interaction. How far future until I can give up my mouse/keyboard? idk, I'll tell you when I get my dev kit.

The EPOC battery, according to the site, lasts for 12 hours. On the other hand, however, the Insight lasts a mere 4 hours- if you pledge 429, you get the insight, as well as the battery extender. I am interested in getting a heart rate monitor that links with my phone to record my brainwaves, linked to my heart rate to examine and find the correlation there. I look forward to future strides in this department!

I am choosing the Research (and dev combo) kit in order to have access to the raw data. No plans of shipping, sadly, until April 2014. Note, that only 3,000 people or so have pledged to the kickstarter, so the base of users will be extremely small. Also, that ted video, the guy demo-ing it, has: no hair. Which isn't a problem for me b/c i'm balding very fast. :(

I've done some basic research on this, so let's ask some questions. What kinds of questions should we be asking with this kind of tech as it develops?

[Donut]

That really depends on if you want to take an altruistic or utlitarian approach. Depending on which, I'd be asking "How can this help people" or "How can this make me money". For the first question, I'd be looking into medical applications. Possibly seeing what people in a coma are thinking, or something like that. For the second question, I'd be looking into government benefits. Might this be able to replace truth serums and questioning? Alternately, a less "evil" approach might be seeing how it can further simplify the use of mobile devices. Can we make calls with them? Can we control the lights in our house or choose a TV channel with them?

[neuro]

sigh.

look i'll explain how these things work.

it takes input, and then it takes that input and turns it into an action.one of the calibration programs made you move a cube by thinking 'up' if you kept trying, it would detect a pattern when you would be thinking 'up' and then you bind the input of 'thinking up' to the cube moving up.

same for up/down/rotate CW anc CCW etc.

it's an input device, not a "think of something and the computer does it"-device.
i'm not butthurt, i'm just educated on this specific subject.

just because i'm negative about a product because it's in pre-embryo-stage and barely functional, doesn't mean i'm fucking butthurt.
get a grip yo.

edit:
and patty, i'm pretty sure the one in the ted-video is the exact one i tested as well, it's pretty much the same calibration program now that i look at it.

protip: the guy has no hair, it doesn't work if you've got hair.
now that's all fine, like the example of the guy in the wheelchair, but don't make it more than it is. it's not a mind-reader it's just an input-device.

[Patrickssj6]

now that's all fine, like the example of the guy in the wheelchair, but don't make it more than it is. it's not a mind-reader it's just an input-device.
...and don't make yourself more knowledgeable than you are.

I don't want to start any quarrel (:eng101:) but you explained us very well how the device worked in my video but did not explain how the one in your case worked? It's quite simple, because they work the exact same way. (Did not saw your edit at this point)

We could agree upon that pattern recognition in this early stage is too primitive to recognize patterns to draw visual objects. But you know very well that in the end, drawing a monster on a screen is just a pattern in your brain as well or do you neglect that transistors who can only switch between 1 and 0 will not do much more on a computer than simple math?

The path between a transistor switching its state and resulting in a visual representation like Crysis is too complex for our brain to understand at once, but in the end it all reduces itself to patterns.

Oh and your hair problem, yeah, every time I go to a hospital they refuse to give me an EEG because I have hair.

[Donut]

We didn't get to 4Ghz quad core processors and 1080p screens with 16 millions colors in a day. That shit took time, and everything needs to start somewhere. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with one of these things neuro. I'm sure somebody out there a few decades ago had an awful experience with the first computers and swore those off altogether too. That person would be a fool to say what that first computer evolved into didn't revolutionize the world.

[Dwood]

sigh.
it's an input device, not a "think of something and the computer does it"-device.
i'm not butthurt, i'm just educated on this specific subject.


Yeah, I understand that much. Luckily I'm balding so maybe i'll just stuff it and shave all my hair away to use the device for the first while?

If you look at the comments section, I posted a question regarding neuro's statement (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tanttle/emotiv-insight-optimize-your-brain-fitness-and-per/comments), which makes a lot of sense. I'm not expecting to be super-impressed with the device, I don't think, but I do look forward to toying around with it.

-If I don't like it, i'll sell it to someone for a cheaper price than I pledged depending on how much I could sell it for on ebay.

[Dwood]

Only a couple of days left for the Kickstarter. They're close to hitting their 1.5 million stretch goal.

[t3h m00kz]

this tech will eventually be used as weapons to kill people.

[Warsaw]

All tech is eventually used as weapons to kill people or came from weapns to kill people.