*WIP* H3 Last Resort

[Jay2645]

Well, I'm not sure which forum to put this in, so forgive me if this is the wrong forum.
OK, so this is the thread for my Halo 3 map, Last Resort. It wasn't in the internal beta, but it is the Halo 3 version of Zanzibar.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7821/lastresortad3.jpg

Let's take a look at the videos, shall we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUn45x6R4c8
NOTE: If you don't like hearing the same annoying whistle over and over, backed up by musical accompaniment, then turn off your sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WljegcnKrCs&eurl=
I'm using those two videos for reference.

OK, now that you know what it is, let's get down to business:


MAP FEATURES:
Everything in Zanzibar.
2 Halo 3 ATVs on the beachhead.
A secret room.
Updated Power Generator room.
Halo 3 Gadgets.
Halo 3 sounds ripped right from the beta.
Halo 3 MC.
Halo 3 Assault Rifle.
Halo 3 Icons for the weapons.
New Halo 3 armor Permutations.
Whatever else I can think of.


PICS:
Newest at top, oldest at bottom.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1760/hudur5.png
My new H3 HUD. It's a cross between the H3 Multiplayer and H3 Singleplayer HUD. I'll be using it for Last Resort.
It's based off of the HUD here:
http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2086
I used that as a source template, and severely modified it. I need to rotate the Assault Rifle and Grenades about 1 degree.

Well, I'm starting over on that building. This time, I have far less polys. However, I'm not too far, as I managed to get ten minutes of modeling in.
NOTE: I will not post any more screenies of the model until the model is finished.
Here's my progress:
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9155/lastresortbuilding1hl3.png
The building so far.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2641/lastresortbuilding1wireiy6.png
A Wireframe of it.

*OUTDATED*
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4752/lastresortbuilding1jy8.png
Yes, another pic of the building.

*OUTDATED*
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4766/lastresortbuilding1wiredq8.png
A wireframe. (I was editing the vertices at the time I took the pic)

*OUTDATED*
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/7176/lastresortbuilding1ut0.png
Yet another pic of the building.

*OUTDATED*
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1665/lastresortbuilding11yz8.png
An updated pic of the building below.

*OUTDATED*
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9436/lastresortbuilding1cj2.png
A building from Last Resort.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7978/lastresortarchzp7.png
One of the arches from Last Resort's beach.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7821/lastresortad3.jpg
The Last Resort Logo.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1562/loadingscreencp0.gif
The Loading Screen for Last Resort. I might change the text from "Halo 3 Beta" to "Halo 3 Last Resort".


DOWNLOADS:
Latest Stuff up top, not-so-latest stuff on the bottom.
http://files.filefront.com//;7912974;;/
Here you are, ladies and gentlemen. The H3 Warthogs. I:
Added an improved Warthog horn.
Made the passenger seat 3rd-person.
The changes have been made to the Rocket Hog, Multiplayer Hog, and the Singleplayer hog.

http://files.filefront.com//;7682608;;/
The latest version of the sounds from Halo 3, this time updated and made into .sound tags.
SOUNDS INCLUDE:
Assault Rifle Gunfire
Guy saying "Slayer"
Mongoose Engine
Battle Rifle Pickup
Battle Rifle Reload
Bubble Shield Deployed
Bubble Shield Ambient Noise
Assault Rifle Reload
Entering Water
Guy saying "Double Kill"
Guy Saying "Triple Kill"
Guy saying "Overkill"
Guy Saying "Killing Spree"
Guy Saying "Running Riot"
Loading Screen Animated .gif

http://files.filefront.com//;7519799;;/
The next latest version of the Halo 3 sounds, this one missing the kill names.
SOUNDS INCLUDE:
Assault Rifle Gunfire
Guy saying "Slayer"
Mongoose Engine
Battle Rifle Pickup
Battle Rifle Reload
Bubble Shield Deployed
Bubble Shield Ambient Noise
Assault Rifle Reload
Entering Water
Loading Screen Animated .gif

http://files.filefront.com//;7502809;;/
The earliest version of the sounds.
SOUNDS INCLUDE:
Assault Rifle Gunfire
Guy saying "Slayer"
Mongoose Engine


CURRENTLY WORKING ON:
Model-wise: The Beachhead
Sound-wise: Getting 15 or so more sounds ingame.
Biped-wise: Working on getting 3 H3 Master Chief Permutations modeled, each with backpack weapons.


Frequently Asked Questions:
Q. Why are you doing this map?
A. A: I want to, and B: I like Zanzibar.

Q. What does Zanzibar have to do with this?
A. Last Resort is the Halo 3 name of Zanzibar.

Q. Is there going to be dual wielding?
A. Yes, if someone can make a good script for it.

Q. What weapons do you plan to include?
A. Everything you can see in the video above.

Q. Are the Halo 3 Gadgets going to be in there?
A. Yes. You can use them with the flashlight.

Q. What vehicles will you have?
A. All the vehicles that you can see in the Youtube video.

Q. Are you going to make a custom pickup icon for each weapon?
A. Yes.

Q. Can I help you in any way?
A. Unless you have links to any good content, no.

Q. Are you going to make a Halo 3 HUD?
A. Yes.

Q. Are the different Spartan armor sets going to be in there?
A. Yes.

Q. How will it work?
A. I am going to be using something called a Permutation, which makes it so if you are red, you are the guy with the really big visor, if you're blue, then you are the Stormtrooper-looking guy, if you're green, you're the H3 Master Chief, etc.

Q. Do you have a list of what color equals what MC?
A. Not at this time.

Q. Are the vehicles going to be destructible?
A. Yes.

Q. How are you making the map?
A. I am assembling it in sections, meaning I model a building or something, then I move on to something else. When everything is modeled, I will combine them all in one model, which will be textured and then go ingame.

Q. How far are you on this map?
A. See below.

Q. Are these questions getting annoying?
A. Yes.

Q. I'll stop then.
A. All questions have to be in the form of a question.

Q. Can I stop?
A. Please do.

Q. I'll stop, OK?
A. Go away.


OVERALL MAP STATUS:
Very early modeling.


OVERALL PERCENT FINISHED:
2%

OTHER FORUM TOPICS FOR THIS MAP:
http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm?page=topic&topicID=8045
http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?p=1244007#post1244007
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=11297366&viewreplies=true
http://umtmapping.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?p=1934#1934

[KRZR]

Awesome, been waiting for a halo 3 map to be made. Good luck with it and hope it turns out great!

[LinkandKvel]

Why would you post this at only 1.5%? To inform us someone is working on it?

[ImSpartacus]

wow, ambitous goals. i would try to concentrate on making a solid map first, then adding everything else in, but your the modder, not me.

good luck. i would try to get some help though, it seems like a huge project right now.

[Hunter]

i aint the best modeler but 2 me the top pic of the building looks very very basic and looks like you have just selected faces and draged them up and then extruded out the stairs, im not nockin u but i dont like the look of these models.

But good luck.

[Darkness]

I wish I could help you with this to work on my modeling because it isn't good atm.

heres a preview of my h3 AR:(yes its crap atm)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4320/progresscq8.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=progresscq8.jpg)

I can't take pics of an updated version because when I prtsc it turns out black and white.
However if you prove me with resources I can help with HUD

[Jay2645]

That looks pretty good, for an early model. I might use it. Or I might make my own. I don't know.

The stairs are actually about 10 boxes with the exact same dimensions, which were attached together. The building was also just a bunch of boxes which I put together and wielded the vertices.

I posted this at 1.5 percent done because I want to have people voice their opinions on the map so far, so I can have the as close as I can to the real thing.

[SMASH]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9436/lastresortbuilding1cj2.png
A building from Last Resort.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7978/lastresortarchzp7.png
One of the arches from Last Resort's beach.


Those are LOL aweful. Sorry, but too ambitious for a beginning modeler. I've been modeling for years and I wouldn't take on a project this big yet.

GL, though, if you think you can do it.

[Jay2645]

I have a new pic of the building.
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1665/lastresortbuilding11yz8.png

[SMASH]

Still aweful, lots of chamfers, too high of poly for CE, too smooth, it pretty much isn't very good :3. Try smaller projects, you won't finish this one, and even if you do, it won't look anything like Zanzibar.

[Jay2645]

Like I said, it's a WIP.
Also, there really isn't too many polys in there. I'm still working on the models to mess them up and make them look more like ruins.

[KRZR]

Smash he can still edit it to be much better but he is going at his own pace.

[kenney001]

a couple of things i saw:

you cant have distructable vehicles in CE and have them sync.

Q. Is there going to be dual wielding?
A. Yes, if someone can make a good script for it.

-I have a dual-weilding script that works pretty well and would provide a pretty good basis for this, or I can re-write it to work with your weapon set. The only downfall is it will not sync online, and would require a small, external app that sends the player_add_equipment hsc command over the network. I just down know any programmming languages well enough for this.

[Jay2645]

Yeah, I have already downloaded your script, and I think it works very well. However, it doesn't sync online, so I'm not using it. If it did sync, I would have used it right away.

[kenney001]

its impossible to make one that syncs using the internal scripting due to the lack of commands. However, thats why i suggested someone make a small app to transfer that command.

[SMASH]

Smash he can still edit it to be much better but he is going at his own pace.

And who are you? Seriously, in the past week we've had this wave of noobs flood this section of the boards. Crap.

Also, it's MUCH harder to edit it than it is to model it RIGHT the first time around. Learn to model better before you take on such a big project.

[Elite Killa]

I'd wait until Halo 3 is released. Then use your 360 (if you have one) as a reference intead. Or just make this map for H2V. CE is pretty much outdated. But I think you're doing pretty well so far. ;) +rep for effort

[SMASH]

But I think you're doing pretty well so far. ;)

Why do people here have to give compliments on horribly modeled things? Buildings are not hard, they are boxes, yet somehow, this guy has seemed to mess them up. GJ.

[Jay2645]

Now, how exactly is this building messed up? If you would save that render, and use paint or Photoshop to show me what needs work, I would gladly do it.

In other news, I have (yet another) render:
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/7176/lastresortbuilding1ut0.png
I've been studying the videos, and I fixed up the model a little. I also added what looks like a power converter, I don't know, but it's there in the video.

[SMASH]

Everything has to be one model, you just can't attach stuff. That might be acceptable to look at or get image in H2V but HCE will spit back so many errors that it'll make you wet yourself.

Looks better though.

[Jay2645]

It is actually one model. 3DS Max 8 has a button that says "Attach" when you are working in Editable Mesh, so I use that and wield the vertices.

[SMASH]

Basically, use the STL Check for a rough guess to make sure your level is sealed as you go along. It's modifier.

I figured you'd just attach and not weld the verticies, but because you did, good job.

[Jay2645]

Thanks for the tip.

I just did it, and there is no errors so far.

[Elite Killa]

Why do people here have to give compliments on horribly modeled things? Buildings are not hard, they are boxes, yet somehow, this guy has seemed to mess them up. GJ.
Why do people like you have to worry about other people's opinions about things being modeled? I like it while you don't. Whoop-de-fucking-do. Besides, he's got a good spirit for actually doing a project this big all by himself. Just cut him some slack.

[Con]

It's nice to see someone who has their shit together when starting a project like this. Thank you. A lot of the time we've got someone with no pics, no plan, and they expect everyone else to do most of the work.

[DOMINATOR]

wireframe?

[Jay2645]

wireframe?

Here ya go:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8748/lastresortbuilding1wireyq7.png

[DOMINATOR]

uhh good luck... WAY too many polys

[Jay2645]

It is a WIP, and thus the Poly count will be drastically different when finished.

[DOMINATOR]

It is a WIP, and thus the Poly count will be drastically different when finished.

that tower thing should be 40-50 triangles tops... why spend so much more time poly chopping when you could just model it low poly?
also your objects arent following the sealed world rules.

just telling you now before you waste too much time. look up some box and plane modeling tutorials.

[TeeKup]

Here ya go:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8748/lastresortbuilding1wireyq7.png

Snaf is going to have a fucking field day with you. :XD:

[Jay2645]

that tower thing should be 40-50 triangles tops... why spend so much more time poly chopping when you could just model it low poly?
also your objects arent following the sealed world rules.

just telling you now before you waste too much time. look up some box and plane modeling tutorials.
Yeah, I'm downloading them as I type.

And the object will be connected to the sky, so it would be a waste of polys to make a back for it.
Here's a little later pic:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4752/lastresortbuilding1jy8.png
Not too much has changed, as you can see, but I added an invisible wall to the stairway, so MC can climb up them.

[Hurrvish]

you have way too many verts on a flat plane

id recommend some serious re-working, but gl to you good sir :)

[Atty]

This looks terrible, GL with everything.

[SnaFuBAR]

Snaf is going to have a fucking field day with you. :XD:

indeed.

select all. DELETE. that's absolutely not acceptable in any terms, for any reason EVER. you are completely clueless on modeling techniques of any fashion, and it is blatantly obvious. just quit NOW. STOP modeling this map. LOOK for a lot of tutorials on modeling. try www.pixel2life.com (http://www.pixel2life.com), etc, and look up kurk's tutorials. you can't just dive in, you have to LEARN FIRST! this isn't learning, this is like accidentally tying your shoe laces together, attempting to walk and bashing your front teeth out and bloodying the cement before ever figuring out that you don't even know how to crawl yet.

this is just..... ignorance. pure and utter ignorance, and don't you dare ever post something like that here again. FUCKING EVER. wait i mean... that's INCREDIBLE http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/falconsfootball07/dodgy-1.gif

you have been polynazi'd.

[SMASH]

Here ya go:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8748/lastresortbuilding1wireyq7.png

WOW, WAY TOO MANY POLIES. That'll never go into a full CE level.

[Leiukemia]

I hadn't seen the wireframe on gbx. Now, I'm, I'm, just lost for words....

[Hurrvish]

i think the best way is to modify the real zanzibar. at least it wont be that time consuming or face burning

[AAA]

I"m a little lazy to look through pages of comments to see if anyone asked this...but, you say it's a halo 3 beta map.....and it's in the Halo CE section and I don't know if you made the mistake of forums or not but here's my question (looks good btw)

but, the high polys shouldn't be a problem if it's a halo 3 map so, Idk why some of you are talking pollies. Therefore it brings up is this for Halo CE??

[Choking Victim]

i think the best way is to modify the real zanzibar. at least it wont be that time consuming or face burning
thats what i did. http://www.putfile.com/chokinv/images i haven't worked on that for a long long time.

[SnaFuBAR]

I"m a little lazy to look through pages of comments to see if anyone asked this...but, you say it's a halo 3 beta map.....and it's in the Halo CE section and I don't know if you made the mistake of forums or not but here's my question (looks good btw)

but, the high polys shouldn't be a problem if it's a halo 3 map so, Idk why some of you are talking pollies. Therefore it brings up is this for Halo CE??
did you forget you're in the CE section?

[Lightning]

thats what i did. http://www.putfile.com/chokinv/images i haven't worked on that for a long long time.

Holy crap. That's amazing o__o

[Choking Victim]

Holy crap. That's amazing o__o
heh glad you like it. Although it may be the h2 zanzibar model much of what was shown in those pictures was modeled from scratch. I haven't worked on it since that leaked video was first released so maybe ill start again this summer. Thread hijackulation!

[Jay2645]

Anyway, like I said, I am wielding the polys together where they aren't needed. I'll post another wireframe soon, which will show the reduced poly count.

[Reaper Man]

*sigh* Here we go again...another one of those people who completely lacks imagination, and decides to imitate another of bit bungie's work (not to mention intellectual property too). The pattern seems to go like this:

Optimism
Over-estimation of modeling skills and/or game engine
Egotistic self-defence
Attempt at accepting criticism, constructive or otherwise
Insulting those who criticize their work
Continued, lousy progress on a project that will never work
Giving up


How about you just skip to step 7 and save everybody alot of trouble, especially on your part. This also includes wasted time.

[SMASH]

*sigh* Here we go again...another one of those people who completely lacks imagination, and decides to imitate another of bit bungie's work (not to mention intellectual property too). The pattern seems to go like this:
Optimism
Over-estimation of modeling skills and/or game engine
Egotistic self-defence
Attempt at accepting criticism, constructive or otherwise
Insulting those who criticize their work
Continued, lousy progress on a project that will never work
Giving up
How about you just skip to step 7 and save everybody alot of trouble, especially on your part. This also includes wasted time.

Sad but true, and people yelled at me when I put it lighter, earlier.

[bleach]

it doesn't look too bad or good. Consider that if that were to be rated, i would give it 6.5 out of 10. You need a team to help you. Good luck with Last Resort! Hope you can release it soon.

[sangheili]

that tower thing should be 40-50 triangles tops...

I thought Halo supported 0 triangles, or atleast has/had 0.

Btw it actually looks cool to me, but the poly...

[Reaper Man]

I thought Halo supported 0 triangles, or atleast has/had 0.

Btw it actually looks cool to me, but the poly...
What the hell are you on about? Clearly you don't understand much about modeling, or at least polygons. A polyon = a triangle. Simple as that. A map modeled with quads will be converted to triangles when it's exported. People use quads mainly because they're just easier to work with than triangles, when essentially it's just 2 triangles forming a quad, with the diagonal line hidden.

[DOMINATOR]

You need a team to help you.

No, just be patient and learn the tools first. if you want to be a good mapper learn how to model efficiently. do every modeling tutorial you can find.
Modding "Teams" are overrated and just a big cluster f*ck. well most of them, especially when the only way to communicate is with text.

[mR_r0b0to]

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4766/lastresortbuilding1wiredq8.png
A wireframe. (I was editing the vertices at the time I took the pic)

what what

look at all those vertices. shitloads of waste.

[Jay2645]

Well, I'm starting over on that building anyway. This time, I have far less polys. However, I'm not too far, as I managed to get ten minutes of modeling in.
Here's my progress:
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9155/lastresortbuilding1hl3.png

And here's a Wireframe:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2641/lastresortbuilding1wireiy6.png

[Teh Ganon]

why don't you surprise us, take a few weeks of modeling, and then post the pic here. because right now I think ur just embarrassed

[Jay2645]

Well, I got 10 minutes in of modeling before I had to go to sleep, so that explains the mass of boxes.
Today's the last day of school until September 4th, so I will be getting a lot more done soon.

[Roostervier]

I"m a little lazy to look through pages of comments to see if anyone asked this...but, you say it's a halo 3 beta map.....and it's in the Halo CE section and I don't know if you made the mistake of forums or not but here's my question (looks good btw)

but, the high polys shouldn't be a problem if it's a halo 3 map so, Idk why some of you are talking pollies. Therefore it brings up is this for Halo CE??
It is a Halo 3 Map for CE. CE can't render that many polys, are you kidding me? That's like 6000 triangles on one building! I suggest not using edit mesh and using editable poly. And if you are using poly, it looks like you are tessellating tons just to get small (Low Poly) effects in. If that is what you are doing, look up some plane modeling tuts and learn how to effectively duplicate edges and to cut edges as well. Triangulation isn't a bad thing to learn, either.

[edit] BAH! SHIT! I keep on responding to old posts D:

[Jay2645]

I'm actually making very low-poly boxes, deleting the ends, and then attaching them and wielding. That's the way I learned to model, so forgive me if I learned wrong.

[KRZR]

And who are you? Seriously, in the past week we've had this wave of noobs flood this section of the boards. Crap.

Also, it's MUCH harder to edit it than it is to model it RIGHT the first time around. Learn to model better before you take on such a big project.

I am just saying just give the guy a chance and some good feedback and maybe he can pull this off.

If you don't like to meet new people maybe you should just lock yourself in your house and stay there.

[Roostervier]

There's no 'wrong' way as such, but that is a very time-consuming, wasteful, and constrictive method. Get Snaf to help you get the hang of plane modelling and try that, it's not the answer to everything but it is very versatile.
Basically, plane modeling is win. It makes modeling a whole lot easier, too.


I am just saying just give the guy a chance and some good feedback and maybe he can pull this off.

If you don't like to meet new people maybe you should just lock yourself in your house and stay there.
What he is saying is that he refuses to give good feedback on something he does not see fit for such. If I see something badly modeled, I know I'd straight out say it. Good feedback belongs to something that is well modeled.

And tbqh, an uber high poly structure that should be uber low poly does not a good model make.

[Hunter]

you have got ultra high polys which arnt even needed on your new pictures.

if you carry on modeling like that u will get like 5 pfs ingame or less.

[Reaper Man]

Well, I got 10 minutes in of modeling before I had to go to sleep, so that explains the mass of boxes.
Today's the last day of school until September 4th, so I will be getting a lot more done soon.
10 minutes to do that? Dude, that shouldn't take more than 2. I think you're setting your sights too high, do something simpler first.

[KennyownsU]

That is cool that you want to make a H3 level. GL on it! :lol:

[Scott-PL]

not bad.

needs alot of work still

[SnaFuBAR]

Ban.
Der SnaFuhrer approves.

[Reaper Man]

Der SnaFuhrer approves.
Reichstag Man concurs.

[FRain]

Guys, lay off him, if he wants to do it he can. I'm not saying that it's any good ATM but, maybe it's just ONE part, maybe he can get better.

Anyway, I'll be willing to help if you get anywhere with this project.

[Reaper Man]

Guys, lay off him, if he wants to do it he can. I'm not saying that it's any good ATM but, maybe it's just ONE part, maybe he can get better.

Anyway, I'll be willing to help if you get anywhere with this project.
So sayeth the most gracious one at receiving criticism. Animator? BAHAHAHAHA.

[mR_r0b0to]

LOL

reaper i really like your avatar.

[Reaper Man]

LOL

reaper i really like your avatar.
So does everyone else. with the probable exception of Stealth.

[Pred1ator]

i dont, ive seen hotter..i got another one on my photobucket album. PM me if you want to see it.

anyway, something just tells me this project wont end up in CE...I bet he will have too many vertices for a low fps

[Roostervier]

i dont, ive seen hotter..i got another one on my photobucket album. PM me if you want to see it.

anyway, something just tells me this project wont end up in CE...I bet he will have too many pixels for a low fps
That doesn't mean you don't have to like them D: :hump: Don't to try to act like a tough guy.

And flaming rain, Reaper is totally right. I think it would be best if you stayed away from other people's criticisms.

[Jay2645]

Ich versuchte, zur Toilette zu gehen, aber ich fand eine Grube in der Toilettenpapierzufuhr. D:
Say what? Something about a toilet? I don't know, I don't speak German. Or French.
And here I thought the horror stories of being flamed all over and being banned because I'm on Cheatsman's Xfire list were false.
Oh, crap, you didn't read the last part of that sentence.

Anyway, in an attempt to get this hijacked thread back on topic, I have a little tool called the Polygon Cruncher which does what it's name implies: It reduces the number of Polygons in an object to as little as possible.

[Jay2645]

Why am I on your Xfire list? I don't usually send requests out to people, I just accept them.

And what I like about the Polygon Cruncher is that it has a tool that will preserve all of your edges. :D

Anyway, some new goodies out for ya:
http://files.filefront.com//;7912974;;/
I made a H3 Warthog.
Changes:
Added an improved Warthog horn.
Made the passenger seat 3rd-person.
The changes have been made to the Rocket Hog, Multiplayer Hog, and the Singleplayer hog.

[QTip05]

im going to wait untill this is 100% finished to play it. sp it looks awesome man. i cant wait! +Rep

[SMASH]

Why am I on your Xfire list? I don't usually send requests out to people, I just accept them.

And what I like about the Polygon Cruncher is that it has a tool that will preserve all of your edges. :D

Anyway, some new goodies out for ya:
http://files.filefront.com//;7912974;;/
I made a H3 Warthog.
Changes:
Added an improved Warthog horn.
Made the passenger seat 3rd-person.
The changes have been made to the Rocket Hog, Multiplayer Hog, and the Singleplayer hog.

:picsorstfu:

[et_cg]

Okay, more than a couple things bothered me about this post.



MAP FEATURES:
Everything in Zanzibar.
2 Halo 3 ATVs on the beachhead.
A secret room.
Updated Power Generator room.
Halo 3 Gadgets.
Halo 3 sounds ripped right from the beta.
Halo 3 MC.
Halo 3 Assault Rifle.
Halo 3 Icons for the weapons.
New Halo 3 armor Permutations.
Whatever else I can think of.


<11 images removed for length>

Sounds not compatible with H2V.

More sounds not compatible with H2V

Even more sounds.


I know this was in the Halo CE section, and I looked over all the pages. Simply, you need to learn how to model, and if this is going to be in the Halo 2 Vista Section - the please look over our current limitations, and try to highlight what's realistic in this scenario.


CURRENTLY WORKING ON:
Model-wise: The Beachhead
Sound-wise: Getting 15 or so more sounds ingame.
Biped-wise: Working on getting 3 H3 Master Chief Permutations modeled, each with backpack weapons.

If you are only one person, why work on all of this at once? Prioritize. You need to take everything one step at a time. Not throw a whole whopin' 1.5% of work at us and then tell us you have all this being worked on. I have yet to meet one human being that can do all that at once.


OVERALL MAP STATUS:
Very early modeling.

OVERALL PERCENT FINISHED:
1.5%

'nuf said. :cool:


Jay, please understand - if you are new to the community, do what every other successful member has done, and work your way up the progress chain. Don't expect a masterpiece, and most importantly - learn what you are working with, and learn it well.

[calky360]

Wait is this for halo 2 vista or CE.

[calky360]

Good luck with this, I think it you should have done, one of the beta maps cause there is a lot more footage on the net on them, but if you see enough of the map in that vid than ok.

[Jay2645]

This is for Halo CE, not Halo 2 Vista.

[et_cg]

What's it doing here? Accidental bump?

Someone should toss it back over in the CE area...

[PenGuin1362]

oh hey where i have i been >_>

that wireframe makes me want to punch infants. levels can NOT be box/primitive modeled it just won't work. and even if you sealed it all to make it work, who ever uv maps those models will :suicide:before he even begins. and it is an extreme waste of resources.

[TeeKup]

oh hey where i have i been >_>

that wireframe makes me want to punch infants. levels can NOT be box/primitive modeled it just won't work. and even if you sealed it all to make it work, who ever uv maps those models will :suicide:before he even begins. and it is an extreme waste of resources.

Congratulations, I was reading that first line while drinking my Sierra Mist, now its on the monitor as well as my lap. Way to make me laugh pengy gosh. :haw:

[Jay2645]

I'm redoing the entire thing using editable poly. I'm going to see if I can get my mapping team to help me out on this one, Archive (Our current WIP) is looking great.

[Con]

ola kala

[Terin]

Why is this thread here? Wouldn't this be a Halo Custom Edition project?

[Bastinka]

I don't see much progression and also, if this is your first attempt at modelling try something easier. I don't remember you posting when you started 'experimenting' with Halo CE.

[Teh Ganon]

jay can model. hes not a noob. good enough to model this. who knows. my opinion? nope.

[SnaFuBAR]

based on the previous renders and wireframes, i'm inclined to say he is not skilled.

[Mass]

He's a fairly skilled mapper, not the best modeler, at this point in time I'm not very interested in doing this project with the team but we'll see. (for me working against a standard takes the fun out of modeling)

[Btd69]

Zzzzz.

[bleach]

wow, is he still stuck at 1.5% progress?

[DaneO'Roo]

meh

[Jay2645]

I have reached 2&#37; (lol). I do have a bit more finished, but I've learned not to post screenies until the model is completely finished.

[mistercheif]

yay! finaly you finaly got another .5&#37; done congrats :)

[Jay2645]

Lol, yeah. It's based on overall completion, so modeling the BSP is only about 25&#37; of the work, in my opinion. You might have a different opinion, I don't know.

[Elite Killa]

If that's the case, then you got a lot of work on your hands, buddy.

Who's on your map team anyways?

[Bastinka]

I have reached 2% (lol). I do have a bit more finished, but I've learned not to post screenies until the model is completely finished.
As SMASH said in this topic before..
:picsorstfu:


:)

[LinkandKvel]

Doesn't matter. Post pics during progress so you don't get too far ahead on an inaccuracy.

[Chizzle110]

cool a remake of Zanzibar for Halo 3 i wonder if u can make the loading screen for the map like the one on top for loading the map like the cmt ones

[Jay2645]

I can. It will probably say something to the effect of:
Loading...
H3 Last Resort...
Loading...
H3 Last Resort...
ect.
In other news:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1760/hudur5.png
That is my new H3 HUD. It's a cross between the H3 Multiplayer and H3 Singleplayer HUD. I'll be using it for Last Resort.
It's based off of the HUD here:
http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2086
I used that as a source template, and severely modified it. I need to rotate the Assault Rifle and Grenades about 1 degree.

[Ki11a_FTW]

How will you get an animated image to work in the loading screen?

[Jay2645]

Cheatsman (I know his name is mud here, but he's pretty good at bitmaps) taught me how to make an animated .TIF a little while back. It's complex.

[CtrlAltDestroy]

A loading screen cannot be animated; it has no shader.

[Bastinka]

That is true, it is basically impossible to animate a loading screen.. Also, why would you wanna waste the time to make an animated loading screen? People aren't going to stare at it for more that 5 seconds :(

Anyway, if you can pull off the HUD that would be amazing. I doubt you could though. The perspective in Halo 3 is basically part of a new game engine.. sort of. Halo 3 HUD perspective actually sort of looks like the MC's helmet, I don't think thats possible in Halo 1.

[Huero]

That is true, it is basically impossible to animate a loading screen.. Also, why would you wanna waste the time to make an animated loading screen? People aren't going to stare at it for more that 5 seconds :(
I'm guessing for the same reason CMT made their pretty ones.

[Jay2645]

Ah, OK. I spent 3 hours making that stupid .TIF. Oh well. I'll just have to use a pretty screenie of LR.

[Scooby Doo]

in all honesty...i fail to see the point in this. really. i mean, for those who don't have a 360 and who won't get halo 3, they'll surely find a way to get their hands on the models from it - one way or another. and once they do, they're just going to make it for halo2 vista or whatever game they please. and it'll be exact, perfect, and beautiful compared to what any rookie modeler could do(no offense).

plus, i've been modeling for quite some time now, and i wouldn't take on this project, not alone at least. and i sure as hell wouldn't make it public this early in. but, if this is how u want waste your time, tha's up to you. i wish you the best of luck and God have mercy on your poor little soul. LOL...


~Scooby

[SMASH]

in all honesty...i fail to see the point in this. really. i mean, for those who don't have a 360 and who won't get halo 3, they'll surely find a way to get their hands on the models from it - one way or another. and once they do, they're just going to make it for halo2 vista or whatever game they please. and it'll be exact, perfect, and beautiful compared to what any rookie modeler could do(no offense).

plus, i've been modeling for quite some time now, and i wouldn't take on this project, not alone at least. and i sure as hell wouldn't make it public this early in. but, if this is how u want waste your time, tha's up to you. i wish you the best of luck and God have mercy on your poor little soul. LOL...




~Scooby

Yea, this is what I've been saying since the beggining... but Scooby is a MUCh better source to hear it from than me.

EDIT: Though the animated TIF sounds interesting...

[Huero]

Well, he wants to do it, so let him do it. It's not like it affects you.

[Jay2645]

And if you think it sucks, don't download it. I don't think it will be done by Halo 3's release, and if it isn't, I'll scrap what I have in favor of the actual models. I know someone who has a working H3 model converter (They tested it during the beta), and is willing to give it to me on the day H3 is released, which is good for me, since I pre-ordered the Legendary edition.

[Scooby Doo]

i'm not here to stop you, i'm merely pointing out that you may have little chance of success. although, if you make this a 1-2 year project...i've seen some amazing things happen in a year. but seriously, i do wish you luck. you r going to need it, no doubt. and who knows, mb you'll prove me wrong...but rookies comming out with great stuff doesn't happen in this community very often. it takes experiance, not that i have much, but it's just the nature of the business. practice = perfection(almost).

anyways, i suggest getting a few followers to help you model it all. once u have a decent model, people will come to you and ask to skin it for you...people who r good too. but u have to have that initial model that looks very good. if you have nothing to show, no one will follow or help. so take your time and try to learn some stuff from the experiance...hopefully you'll make some new friends who can teach you stuff to help you later. HAVE FUN!!!


~Scooby

[Ki11a_FTW]

+rep

[CabooseJr]

heh, nice job using my HUD, did you even ask me to use my HUD? cause thats a low res pic. I got the High Res on my comp.

[SnaFuBAR]

These younger members tend not to ask permission.

[CabooseJr]

I give him permission, but he should use my better quality HUD,that I have on my comp and not on the interwebs.

[Jay2645]

Yeah, I thought I did ask permission, I guess I may have flaked out and thought I did. I tend to do that a lot. ;)
But thanks for letting me use your HUD.

[UrKungFuSux]

=] H3 last resort + a great hud= kewl! But i gotta ask, do you have any tests ready? Did you start weapons and equip? or are you still working on landscape and buildings?

[Jay2645]

Let's see here, what I have done or almost done:
H3 ATV-Nearing Completion.
H3 Hog-Needs Custom model, but otherwise done.
H3 Assault Rifle-Set up in Guerrilla, works ingame, no new model yet.
H3 Spartan Laser-Works, currently uses the Plasma Pistol model.
H3 Pistol-Done!
Chuck Norris-Wait, he's not in here. Meh, I might put him in a secret room anyway.
Anti-Aimbot script: Done!
H3 HUD-Low-res bitmap done.

That's all I can think of at the moment, I'm working on the tags only, for now.

Also, I will leave the map unprotected. I will also release every tag I have on this thread as they get finished. All I ask in return is some credit if any of my tags goes into use in your map.

EDIT: Oh, and maybe some +rep, too.

[mistercheif]

:picsorstfu: ( I don` mean too be rude :( )

[UrKungFuSux]

thats cool. Can we see some of the modelings and results? I think we are all anxious to see your progress =].

[Xetsuei]

Anti-Aimbot script: Done!

Not possible unless your talking about auto-aim, which would plain suck ass without it. And for those of you who think there isn't auto-aim in maps, it's the reason it's so much harder to kill team than enemy.

[Tarzan]

Xetsuei™;105542']Not possible unless your talking about auto-aim, which would plain suck ass without it. And for those of you who think there isn't auto-aim in maps, it's the reason it's so much harder to kill team than enemy.

Funny story about that... this specific anti-aimbot scripting and technique was developed as a result (I think... I'm pretty sure) of a conversation between me and Kirby where we were trying to figure out how to make it impossible for botting n00bs to play CE maps. One method was to hide AI behind the walls. Another was to attach a biped to the player.

I think that's what Jay did. With a biped and some scripting... we figured out that you could attach something to a player and the aimbot would lock onto that, and make the player spin like a top.

Am I right with most of that Jay?

[Jay2645]

Funny story about that... this specific anti-aimbot scripting and technique was developed as a result (I think... I'm pretty sure) of a conversation between me and Kirby where we were trying to figure out how to make it impossible for botting n00bs to play CE maps. One method was to hide AI behind the walls. Another was to attach a biped to the player.

I think that's what Jay did. With a biped and some scripting... we figured out that you could attach something to a player and the aimbot would lock onto that, and make the player spin like a top.

Am I right with most of that Jay?
100% right.
I'm still working out the bugs, it only targets approximately 85% of the time, and that's with no people in the server.
When it does work, the result (As seen from devcam) is both hilarious, and sad because going through their head about then is a number of swear words I'm not at liberty to say.

But I may as well show you the buggy version:

(script continuous antiaimbot
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 0)) "head" biped1 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 1)) "head" biped2 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 2)) "head" biped3 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 3)) "head" biped4 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 4)) "head" biped5 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 5)) "head" biped6 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 6)) "head" biped7 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 7)) "head" biped8 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 8)) "head" biped9 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 9)) "head" biped10 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 10)) "head" biped11 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 11)) "head" biped12 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 12)) "head" biped13 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 13)) "head" biped14 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 14)) "head" biped15 "right hand")
(objects_attach (unit (list_get (players) 15)) "head" biped16 "right hand")
)

[UrKungFuSux]

So, how far are we from a test? Are you going to have a beta? What's the weapon and equip. list, will there be dual wielding, or is all this still under development? And are you sure that CE will be able to run it with the level of detail required?

[Con]

CE can run it, the question is: can you?

[Jay2645]

CE can run it, the question is: can you?
Exactly.
I am getting closer to a beta, but it won't be out for a while.

[Bodzilla]

hey this is interesting :D

taht anti-Aimbot idea seems pretty good :)

keep the work up.

also :picsorstfu:

need pics D:

[Apoc4lypse]

well.. i definately agree with the aimbot idea... nice idea, how will it turn on tho when the aimbots on? If thats on all the time on everyone couldnt it potentialy mess with gameplay? Specifically halos already built in magnetism and auto aim stuff that it comes with, and cross-air locking, that and needlers locking onto it...?

Idk seems like the best approach to it though, very kool idea. :cool:

As for the rest... its been said before...
lol
:picsorstfu:

I want to see if you made any progress in your modeling techniques, the way you were going about it before wasn't very good at all, time consuming, and pointless, because you could model the same stuff like 5 times as fast using different methods. Have you learned how to plane model? Its a very useful technique, not hard to understand really either, course ive been doing it for a while lol.

[Huero]

I would think not; if someone's behind a wall, auto-aim doesn't kick in, but aimbot does.

[Apoc4lypse]

I would think not; if someone's behind a wall, auto-aim doesn't kick in, but aimbot does.

no u didnt get what I said...

if hes attaching bipeds to the player that will mess with the aim bot, wont that affect auto aim also, because halo wont know that whats infront of it was intended to only be used by the aim bot, unless he attaches the bipeds on command when a player starts using the aimbot... so idk... might not do anything to the autoaim at all, or it could throw off your aiming idk. Other than that id imagine it would work amazingly if done right.

[Archon23]

This mod is for Halo CE right?

Last time I checked Halo CE didn't have auto aim. Though I'm not sure about playing with a controller haven't done that yet......

[paladin]

Ich versuchte, zur Toilette zu gehen, aber ich fand eine Grube in der Toilettenpapierzufuhr. D:


HAHAHAHAHA i think I am the only one who can read that besides you.:lol:

[Hotrod]

Are you still 2&#37; done like it says in the first post, or are you further? I hope you do well in this and I can't wait to see this done.

[Jay2645]

Yeah, pretty much. I'm trying to work on a H3 ATV ATM, pics soon.

[Huero]

well.. i definately agree with the aimbot idea... nice idea, how will it turn on tho when the aimbots on? If thats on all the time on everyone couldnt it potentialy mess with gameplay? Specifically halos already built in magnetism and auto aim stuff that it comes with, and cross-air locking, that and needlers locking onto it...?

Idk seems like the best approach to it though, very kool idea. :cool:

As for the rest... its been said before...
lol
:picsorstfu:

I want to see if you made any progress in your modeling techniques, the way you were going about it before wasn't very good at all, time consuming, and pointless, because you could model the same stuff like 5 times as fast using different methods. Have you learned how to plane model? Its a very useful technique, not hard to understand really either, course ive been doing it for a while lol.
Oh. Well uh. Yeah, that would screw with it.

[Tweek]

no lol xD

[Shadow5561]

Jay just posted an update on his Halo Maps topic




http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5607/topzo5.png
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9937/bottomtz9.png
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1408/frontjy9.png
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4969/backpf8.png

You could say I go between the h2vista topic and the halomaps one.

[Hotrod]

That looks good, but if this is a Halo 3 mod, why isn't it going to be a Halo 3 Mongoose?

[Skyline]

I believe this is for yoyorast island, he posted this in the other forums.

[Shadow5561]

I believe this is for yoyorast island, he posted this in the other forums.

Yes he is also useing them for yoyarast but I guess he's using them in this map too instead of the mongoose.

[Con]

I thought Yoyo was going to use madworkz' mongoose. I find it funny how Jay calls it HIS model, "severely modified" version of Killa's ATV. All I can see is it's larger, has bigger wheels, and some little handlebar...

[Jay2645]

Trust me, there has been a lot of stuff done to that thing.
Also, about the model, it's just a little force of habit. I'm used to making my own stuff. I will be getting rid of the only thing that is still KiLLa's in there (The main hull) in favor of a more H3-ish one soon, after Yoyorast Island and Archive are released.

[Bastinka]

Trust me, there has been a lot of stuff done to that thing.
Also, about the model, it's just a little force of habit. I'm used to making my own stuff. I will be getting rid of the only thing that is still KiLLa's in there (The main hull) in favor of a more H3-ish one soon, after Yoyorast Island and Archive are released.
Thats a bunch of bologna.™ :fail:

I agree with conscars, there is minor changes from the original. Make your own vehicle, also I think someone at gearbox made a thread about a very nice looking halo 3 ATV...

Aha. http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=1215144&postcount=1

Thats a very good model of the Halo 3 Mongoose, and seriously stop trying to convince us there has been a lot of changes.. Really you're acting like we're blind.

[Shadow5561]

*post deleted by Shadow5561*

[Jay2645]

Thats a bunch of bologna.™ :fail:

I agree with conscars, there is minor changes from the original. Make your own vehicle, also I think someone at gearbox made a thread about a very nice looking halo 3 ATV...

Aha. http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=1215144&postcount=1

Thats a very good model of the Halo 3 Mongoose, and seriously stop trying to convince us there has been a lot of changes.. Really you're acting like we're blind.
There has been. The only thing that is KiLLa's is the hull itself. No, I am not acting like you guys are blind, you just aren't listening. I'm telling you I made a lot of changes to that thing, I've gotten error after error, I've had to reskin the thing twice, I had to make custom animations for everything from the ground up, I took out the entire suspension and redid it. I'll take a video of it in action for you guys to see.

[Roostervier]

Ok... tbqh, it looks like you are getting those parts of the model from this:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6606/slamgo6.jpg

Which is the ATV from that Desolate beta ver1 map, or something like that. Not accusing you yet, but it looks an awful lot like the stuff from that >_>.

[Bastinka]

Lol @ Skinning. Why is the seat that ugly color :fail:

Anyway, you used the hog skin for the tires.. But you did it wrong.

Now that FR mentions it, it does look a heck of a lot like the ATV from Desolate ver1 beta map... :confused:

[Jay2645]

It does... Doesn't it? Weird coincidence. At least I skinned my hog tires and handlebars better, lol.

[Bastinka]

I don't really see a skin on the handlebars :fail:

[Teh Ganon]

I dont see a skin for em either. its all so sad silent...:fail::fail::fail: so sad... :fail: :fail: :fail:

[Jay2645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quog-dP9PgY
Now look at the handlebars in that video. They've gotten a new skin, as has the tires. I've also finally gotten biped animations to work.

[Archon23]

Wheels don't turn nearly enough. Also whats keeping the guy on the back from falling off when the thing is actually moving? Cause hes definitely not holding on to something.

[Roostervier]

I don't see a new skin on those tires...

[edit] Archon is right, make him using a scorpion seat animation.

[edit x2] Oh, the skinning. I was just trying to get used to UVing in max, which I will never be doing now that I use Maya (mostly). And... I just made random stuffs in photoshop D:

[Jay2645]

I don't see a new skin on those tires...

[edit] Archon is right, make him using a scorpion seat animation.
Ah, thanks, I would have never thought of that.
The new skin is there, I took the warthog tire skin and I added a silver-ish shader to the middle, and I re-UVWed the tires for that to show up.

[Teh Ganon]

Its a good start.

[Chizzle110]

This is pretty cool! I wonder when this map will be finished.

[mistercheif]

when its finished.

[Jay2645]

when its finished.
Thank you.

[Bastinka]

Question here..

If everythings by killa why is it called the UMT ATV? :|
Kthxbi.

[Teh Ganon]

polar bear pretty much ended that point on the umt thread

[Bastinka]

polar bear pretty much ended that point on the umt thread
Kay,
Anyway if you keep working on your stuff it might turn out likeable.

:pervert:

[Phalanx_Master]

hopefully the poly count goes down

[Reaper Man]

Your sig is WAAAAY too big Phalanx_Master.

[Agamemnon]

Why wasn't this thread closed as well?

[Amit]

Your sig is WAAAAY too big Phalanx_Master.

LOL yeah. Go to google and type in image resizer. See if you can make it viewable at 500x150 pixels, I highly doubt it though.

[SonicMaster326]

I remember when that picture was released. It turned out to be a screenshot of the SMG in FP overlaid onto the environment of another game.

[Bastinka]

Your sig is WAAAAY too big Phalanx_Master.
Yeah, either change the resolution or an admin will :p

[spartan463]

I have a friend that knows how to get the poly count down but keep the map

[Skyline]

I have a friend that knows how to get the poly count down but keep the map
It's not that hard to do.

Btw your sig is still too big. 400 by 200 - max is 150.

[jahrain]

Ich versuchte, zur Toilette zu gehen, aber ich fand eine Grube in der Toilettenpapierzufuhr. D:
Eine Minute warten. Was fandest du im Toilettenpapier?

[Jay2645]

I made out one minute, then toilet paper.
But anyway, I'll probably be using your lightmap thingy, Jahrain.

[spartan463]

I havent heard anything so you must be working hard keep up the good work and this could be one of the best maps in ce

[Archon23]

...........Stop. Bumping. Old. Threads.

[Jay2645]

I havent heard anything so you must be working hard keep up the good work and this could be one of the best maps in ce
Let this thread die. Please.
I'm in waaay over my head with this one, it probably will never be made in the near future. If someone makes something that rips stuff from H3 Maps, maybe. But until then, no.
Locking now to keep this from being bumped again.