Tell jcap to post his desk, and post yours too! [JCAP POST YOUR DESK]

[ThePlague]

Any card with display ports can run massive amounts of displays.

[Amit]

Nope. With nVidia you need sli for more than two monitors, even with display port.

[ThePlague]

Oh lol.

[Cortexian]

Nope. With nVidia you need sli for more than two monitors, even with display port.
There are now (within the last few months) some custom made cards from certain manufacturers that support more than two outputs per card. There was a company advertising their new 580 that can do Nvidia Surround mode all on its own, it might of been one of those MDT card but I don't remember.

[Amit]

I was looking at it, yeah. Still, those are super high-end custom cards. The stock technology doesn't support it nor is it supposed to. It's not a bad thing if they can enable such things, though.

[Nero]

The HD 7970 card is doing wonders. :3

[Amit]

lol. Did you expect it to do any less?

[Nero]

Well, originally I was afraid it wouldn't hold up like the GTX 580, but instead it has surpassed it.

[Ki11a_FTW]

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9224/myroomu.jpg

[Amit]

lol, why?

[Ki11a_FTW]

I'd tell you why if you'd ask me in a form that made sense.

[Amit]

What I mean is why is there a sound mixer and a giant speaker on your desk. A giant speaker on a glass desk. Is that a good idea? Also, what looks like a sub is on your computer case. Is that a good idea, too?

[Ki11a_FTW]

Sound mixer is actually a big benefit to me. One channel is for my PC, another for my keyboard, another for my TV and another for my mic. I do a lot of recording so it comes in good use. The speaker has been on my desk countless times over time, its not 100 pounds and there is metal support beneath, lmao. So yeah, great sound and quality. Is it a good idea? Yeah it is. Also, that speaker isnt a sub. theres two more in the back of my room for surround sound.

[Amit]

That's what I thought about the speaker on the case. I was skeptical whether it was a speaker or a sub because it looks about the size of a sub from a 5.1 PC speaker set. But then it doesn't really make sense that you have such a small sub considering the other big audio stuff you're packing lol.

[king_nothing_]

esdf supremacy

who the hell use's esdf seriously.
Discussion necro, but w/e, I want to chime in on this. As someone who just recently switched to ESDF a couple weeks ago, I agree that it's superior, at least for RPGs. If you're playing a game which you need a lot of keybinds for, it's better. It gives you more keys to bind to the left of your hand; it's as simple as that. I recently started playing WoW again, and I switched to it to give myself more easily-reachable keybinds. I actually don't even use ESDF in WoW; I just use ESF, and use D for another keybind. There's no reason to backpedal in WoW unless you're a tank.


I don't get why you'd do it.
As someone who has played RPGs a lot, I figured you of all people would be able to figure it out. It's all about giving yourself more easily-reachable keybinds.


Between mouse buttons and keyboards with macro keys there's no point.
The macro keys on the far left of some gaming keyboards? They aren't as easily reachable as W, Q, A, Z, etc. are from the ESDF configuration. As for mouse buttons, yeah they help, but even with the Razer Naga I just got which has 17 buttons, I still need a dozen or so more binds on the keyboard. If you have a ton of abilities you need to use, and want to keybind them all (I imagine you would unless you're a bad who clicks your abilities with the cursor), then ESDF is superior.

Only thing is you'll be misclicking stuff for about a week until you get used to it.


in practice, muscle memory would repeatedly pull my hand back to wasd.
This. It took me several days (probably close to a week) before this stopped happening. Once your brain "unlearns" WASD though, it's great.

[Cortexian]

I use WASD + Mouse clicks for skills on buttons. I never really have more than 15 skills in RPG's that I use often, so 1-5 above WASD + Shift/Alt 1-5 combos are plenty.

[BobtheGreatII]

I finally set the shouts in Skyrim to one of my mouse buttons. My god, that makes life so much easier.

[Rook]

This. It took me several days (probably close to a week) before this stopped happening. Once your brain "unlearns" WASD though, it's great.

http://bacon.modacity.net/img/images/wowscrnshot050412040712.jpg

esdf would be nice, seeing as I have a keybind on caps lock and lots of things using shift or control. Takes some hell of dedication to not use wasd though, especially if you play other games as well.

[Amit]

I use WASD + Mouse clicks for skills on buttons. I never really have more than 15 skills in RPG's that I use often, so 1-5 above WASD + Shift/Alt 1-5 combos are plenty.

Basically what I do for LOTRO. I used to use each set of 4 macro keys on the G110 to seperate types of skills (ranged, special ranged, melee, etc.). However, since I installed windows on the SSD, I'm too lazy to spend 2 minutes to set all the macro keys back. It's not hard to use the regular shortcuts to begin with so I doubt I'll ever use the macro keys again.

[Amit]

Alright so I finally decided to go out and buy the Corsair H60 because the weather is very very warm around here and it's making my PC run extremely loud. Since my current case doesn't have enough fan mounts to complement the H60's intake fan I also bought the Antec One mid-tower case. The Case was $45 and the H60 was $55. I ported all my components over to the new case, but I don't have 70% or higher Isopropyl Alcohol to clean the thermal compound off the CPU from the stock cooler, so I'm going to put the H60 in later. Overall, the noise is about the same, probably because I'm right next to the case and sound from the CPU cooler comes through the top fan. The top fan spinning at 800RPM (rear fan 1200RPM) seems to have helped with dropping my CPU temperature 10 degrees down to 50 celsius. I can't wait to put that H60 in there and see to new results.

Crappy phone pics of the build so far:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9416/image278se.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/511/image285w.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4809/image275kl.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5166/275label.jpg
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6656/image284t.jpg

[Nero]

Love how clean your setup is! :D
Sweet CPU water cooler.

[Amit]

Some of the other guys (Cortexian, Zeph, Jcap, etc. ) here put me to complete shame when it comes to cable management. My lack of a modular power supply leaves me with a sloppy job at best. I forgot to pull the front panel and pci-e cable more behind the motherboard so that's a bit of a mess there. The CPU power cable isn't long enough to go behind the motherboard, come back out at the top right cut out, and then reach across the top to the CPU power connector. So, I just deicded to run the cable under the gap at the front of the GPU. Ugly, but it works.

[Cortexian]

I was mainly going to ask about your motherboard auxilary power cable, is it to short to run behind the motherboard tray and snake in from the top? Everything else looks about right, it just needs to be wrangled up and tugged behind the motherboard tray a bit.

[Amit]

If the top of the case allowed for a slit running along the top, then I could just run it straight up the left side of the case behind the motherboard and do what you said. Unfortunately the case doesn't have one so the only other way for it to get up to the connector is by running it straight up to the connector on the front side of the motherboard. I don't like how close it is to the heatsink of the CPU cooler. That won't be an issue after I put in the H60, though. Actually, I could take the motherboard out, run the cable to the top and then place the motherboard directly over top of it. That would work, but it's definitely not an option since the standoff placement is a bit off in relation to my motherboard. They seem to be in the right places, but it took like 40 mins for me to get all those fuckin' screws in. That was probably the most difficult part of transferring all the components if you can believe it.

I checked online for any people who have trouble with the standoffs on this case but I saw nothing, so I'm just guessing my motherboard doesn't like to play nice with cases. Only 6 screws secure my motherboard to the chassis, yet there is this one random 7th one just to the top of the PCI-E cable plugged into the GPU. On the three cases that this MB has been in, not a single one has a hole to place a standoff where that mounting hole is on the motherboard.

I was going to take a picture of the right side of the case so you guys could see the nightmare of cables on the other side of the motherboard, but you'd probably cringe. I did a little less than my best to keep everything flat enough without using zip ties to get the right side panel back on. The Side panel is only dented outwards at a maximum of 20mm so there's not a lot of room to work with behind there, but there's just enough. My main gripe is with how long my SATA cables are. That's really the only thing that bothers me because they take up so much damn space. I'll fix it up a bit more once I put in the H60.

[Cortexian]

If the top of the case allowed for a slit running along the top, then I could just run it straight up the left side of the case behind the motherboard and do what you said. Unfortunately the case doesn't have one
Sounds like a good excuse to bust out a dremeland start case modding to me.


So the only other way for it to get up to the connector is by running it straight up to the connector on the front side of the motherboard. I don't like how close it is to the heatsink of the CPU cooler. That won't be an issue after I put in the H60, though. Actually, I could take the motherboard out, run the cable to the top and then place the motherboard directly over top of it. That would work, but it's definitely not an option since the standoff placement is a bit off in relation to my motherboard. They seem to be in the right places, but it took like 40 mins for me to get all those fuckin' screws in. That was probably the most difficult part of transferring all the components if you can believe it.
Unless Antec is really dumb there should be a gap between the very top of the case and the motherboard tray/panel. You could try feeding the cable behind there and up and over.

And yeah, standoff placement is always dumb and terrible.


I was going to take a picture of the right side of the case so you guys could see the nightmare of cables on the other side of the motherboard, but you'd probably cringe.
Probably not. I don't give any shits about that side of my case at all. If I can force the side-panel on it's good enough!


My main gripe is with how long my SATA cables are. That's really the only thing that bothers me because they take up so much damn space. I'll fix it up a bit more once I put in the H60.
Anything SATA related has ALWAYS been a pain for cable management. Worse if you're running an expansion card for RAID or just additional SATA ports. Lots of the expansion cards have retarded connector positions.


I decided to take a stroll down memory lane... Oh how far I've come:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3087/tehinnards.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1299/87363549.jpg

You can see what I mean about the SATA cables in that picture. Technically those are "mini-SAS SFF-8087 x4" cables but they're basically SATA for all intents and purposes.

[Amit]

Hahaha, oh jesus. Well I got some 99% Isopropyl Alcohol just now so I'm gonna grab some coffee filters and go to town on that thermal paste. Hopefully I'm not clumsy enough to let any damp area of the filter touch anything other than the top of the CPU. If everything goes to plan, I should have my Corsair H60 up and running in an hour or less. I'm always the super cautious type of person so It may take a bit more time than the average tinkerer.

[Donut]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5166/275label.jpg

you have a 2.5" HDD in a desktop? i wasnt aware those existed
E: i mean, i knew they were in laptops, but i figured that was a laptop thing and 2.5" drives in desktops would all be SSDs
E2: planning on doing some dusting today... i should get some pics for you gentlemen

[Amit]

you have a 2.5" HDD in a desktop? i wasnt aware those existed
E: i mean, i knew they were in laptops, but i figured that was a laptop thing and 2.5" drives in desktops would all be SSDs
E2: planning on doing some dusting today... i should get some pics for you gentlemen

Yeah, laptops get old and slow, but laptop HDDs never go out of style. They are slower of course, but hey, an extra 200GB drive is always welcome, is it not? In my previous case all three 2.5" drives (including the SSD) weren't actually mounted in the HDD cage because there wasn't space for all three (only held three 3.5" drives) and I didn't want to spend money on 3.5"-to-2.5" drive bay adapters. The Antec One case has two built-in 2.5" drive mounts. One way at the top and one on the bottom. The 2.5" HDD below the SSD is unsecured and sitting on top of an unused (but mostly filled) 3.5" HDD. I still don't want to buy a drive mount adapter so I figured sitting the 2.5" HDD on top of the unheated 3.5" drive is safe enough.

Alright, here's the pics of the Corsair Hydro H60 installed:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6151/dsc3458j.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9517/dsc3457v.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5811/dsc3459g.jpg
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8810/dsc3460f.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4824/dsc3462a.jpg


CPU current idling at 40 Celsius (13 degrees below my stock cooler idle temp.). I haven't put it on load yet so I'm going to go play some BF3 and see how it goes. And Jesus Mary Joseph I love how quiet my case is now. Currently, the rear fan is an intake that blows cool air onto the radiator and the top fan is an exhaust that blows case heat up and out of the case. I'm thinking of using one of the side panel, bottom, or front fan mounts as an exhaust as well. I just can't decide which. I only have one more system_fan connector left on the motherboard, so I must choose wisely.

EDIT: BF3 Strike at Karkand Conquest with 64 players: hovers around 51 Celsius. That's way better than my 63 Celsius with the stock cooler. And it's still pretty quiet. I'll have to download a CPU benchmark to really stress test it. I'm only using the pre-applied thermal compound right now so I might replace it in the future with some Arctic Cooling MX-4 to see if it drops temps even more.

[Limited]

Turns out I forgot to post my pictures :D

Heres my rig, I think I need to get an extension on the CPU cable, as its too short to wrap it behind the backside of the case.

http://www.limited-development.net/images/pc/IMG_2292.jpg
http://www.limited-development.net/images/pc/IMG_2303.jpg
http://www.limited-development.net/images/pc/IMG_2307.jpg
http://www.limited-development.net/images/pc/IMG_2313.jpg
http://www.limited-development.net/images/pc/IMG_2318.jpg

[BobtheGreatII]

Going to be installing a new water cooling loop. I'll have pictures up hopefully tonight.

Edit: How's the 670 treating you? Any issues with the fan? I'm hearing that there are a lot of problems with it. I want one pretty bad... but will hold off until they get the faulty ones narrowed down.

[Limited]

Well I've had it 2 weeks, although the past week I was on holiday, so I've really only had 1 week of usage and so far no issues with the GPU fan that I can tell. Is this the noise you mean:

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The biggest noise of my pc is vibration, if I hold my hand on the case pretty firmly most of the noise goes away.

Edit:
I do have this card though...
http://www.techpowerup.com/166179/EVGA-Undertakes-Mini-Recall-Of-GeForce-GTX-670-SC-Owners-To-Get-FTW-as-Replacements.html

E (http://www.techpowerup.com/166179/EVGA-Undertakes-Mini-Recall-Of-GeForce-GTX-670-SC-Owners-To-Get-FTW-as-Replacements.html)dit 2:
Okay I have the P4 model so isnt mine.

[InnerGoat]

Going to be installing a new water cooling loop. I'll have pictures up hopefully tonight.

Edit: How's the 670 treating you? Any issues with the fan? I'm hearing that there are a lot of problems with it. I want one pretty bad... but will hold off until they get the faulty ones narrowed down.Get a 670 with a custom heatsink from Gigagyte or Asus if you're concerned about the stock fans :)

[InnerGoat]

Asus gtx670 DCUII TOP. This thing is small like a midrange should be :) big card is the gtx570

http://innergoat.modacity.net/computer/gtx670-may2012-8980.jpg

http://innergoat.modacity.net/computer/gtx670-may2012-8992.jpg

[Amit]

LOLHUGE 570

[Cortexian]

Asus y u go non-ref?!

[JackalStomper]

Asus y u go non-ref?!
Because they aren't EVGA

My comp is all go and no show unfortunately.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3128383/Pictures/Desktop/comp/whole.jpg

The case has no cable management whatsoever so I had to settle with stuffing it all behind the drive bays.

Case fan blows out, cool air comes in from the front.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3128383/Pictures/Desktop/comp/flow.jpg

Seems to work out, RAM gets no love but fuck them they have their heatsinks they can deal with it.

[Higuy]

Dont worry Jackal, my cable management is worse:

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4568/img0686gm.jpg

Installed all my stuff! works like a charm.

[DarkHalo003]

Good God Higuy. I have no idea what leads to where.

[Higuy]

Lmao. Most the of the wire mess is actually unplugged wires from my PSU. The thing has so many god damn wires and its nearly impossible to simply organize them with zip ties or anything. So I just threw them all into the drive bay.

[Tnnaas]

Better cable management than my piece-of-shit HP Compaq.

[Higuy]

Oh, btw, how the fuck do i install a hard drive properly? My hard drive that was in there before uses two things on the sides of it that allows it to simply slide in easily - my new 1tb drive came with nothing at all except the drive itself and some screws, nothing else. Is there some other way to properly install it? ATM its just kinda sitting in my case and it makes a little bit of noise as well because of that.

[Amit]

Better cable management than my piece-of-shit HP Compaq.

I would hardly call that a case. I popped open my friend's Compaq case the other day and it was just a shambles of wires everywhere. Those PC vendors think that the people who buy their computers are too stupid to open up the case and take a look at the shitty job they did building the PC. For the most part, they are right.


Oh, btw, how the fuck do i install a hard drive properly? My hard drive that was in there before uses two things on the sides of it that allows it to simply slide in easily - my new 1tb drive came with nothing at all except the drive itself and some screws, nothing else. Is there some other way to properly install it? ATM its just kinda sitting in my case and it makes a little bit of noise as well because of that.

Well from looking at your picture, your original HDD uses the same style of mounting brackets that my case does:

(black sticks)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Antec/ONE/images/contents.jpg

You need to look in the motherboard box or wherever you keep the stuff that came with your computer for another set of clips that look like it so you can install the 2nd drive safely and easily. If you don't find any, just screw the drive into the hard drive cage with the provided screws. I can't really tell from the gay lighting in your picture, but your HDD cage looks removable. If you can remove it, just screw the HDD in and put the cage back into the case. Problem solved.

[Tnnaas]

I would hardly call that a case. I popped open my friend's Compaq case the other day and it was just a shambles of wires everywhere. Those PC vendors think that the people who buy their computers are too stupid to open up the case and take a look at the shitty job they did building the PC. For the most part, they are right.
I always crack open my case, first thing. Usually I like to know what's what before I boot up or add on.

Unfortunately, the usual A or B brand cases don't have any sort of cable management system. The one I'm stuck with can't do much anyways. They riveted the other side closed. The most I could do with it is swap out the mobo with another Micro-ATX, replace the PSU, or add another drive.

[Amit]

Good thing mid-range motherboards are cheap for both Intel and AMD.

[Tnnaas]

I know, right? I actually ordered a new ASUS mobo and 4GB of memory all for around $85. They aren't high-end, but they're better than the default stuff.

[Higuy]

One other question - in task manager, under 'performance' and under the section physical memory, it says I only have 3554MB of Physical memory, however, I have 8gb of memory in terms of RAM, and windows notices this (like in the windows welcome screen it says the 8gb of ram). Whats up with that?

[EagerYoungSpaceCadet]

32 bit OS.

[Higuy]

So a 32 bit OS will only support 4gb of memory? da fuq?

[=sw=warlord]

So a 32 bit OS will only support 4gb of memory? da fuq?
You didn't know this?
32 bit has long been known to be limited to 4GB's physical memory ever since XP.
you need 64 bit to take advantage of more.

[Higuy]

You didn't know this?
32 bit has long been known to be limited to 4GB's physical memory ever since XP.
you need 64 bit to take advantage of more.
I'm not a computer expert, so no.

e: found my moms x64 bit windows 7 installer disk... going to be reinstalling everything for a second time, yay!

[Jelly]

kum

[Futzy]

http://i.imgur.com/oQl9J.jpg

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[Higuy]

What language is that? Looks... interesting.

[InnerGoat]

I think that's his bitcoin address or something

[Amit]

:ehhh:

[Higuy]

Windows 7 x64 is installed and now my RAM is showing up. Thanks for letting me know that... now time to move all my files again.... :saddowns:

[Cortexian]

Should only be using x64 now anyways. Game developers and such are starting to REQUIRE x64 to play games. The 4GB limitation on x86 (32 bit) really restricts what developers can do.

[Higuy]

Yeah, it's pretty dumb that you need a differen version of the OS just to support more RAM. I do have to say though, Windows 7 is looking pretty nice. Never really payed much attention to it until now.

[Nero]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/403514_186516624809227_195463764_n.jpg

[InnerGoat]

nice thing you have there nero

[TeeKup]

Joshua you cunt. What I wouldn't give for that rig.

[Nero]

Joshua you cunt. What I wouldn't give for that rig.

That is the downstairs. I wonder what you would do about my bedroom then. Haha...
*Bad pic is bad, but it will do. It's actually HD, just shitty pic*
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/550775_186767741450782_1496367550_n.jpg
:)

[Cortexian]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/403514_186516624809227_195463764_n.jpg
Sucks that you can't put UI elements were you want or resize them.

[Futzy]

i got a thing

http://i.imgur.com/5T3Dq.jpg

[ThePlague]

Very nice case. And which Windows 8 you running?

[Cortexian]

They're all bad, does it matter?

[Futzy]

Very nice case. And which Windows 8 you running?
Case is a Fractal R3. The monitor I just got is a Crossover 27Q. W8 RP.

Very nice case. And which Windows 8 you running?
I'm sorry for your bad.

[Amit]

Ouch, Windows 8.

[Futzy]

Ouch, Windows 8.

I'm sorry for your bad.

[Amit]

I think you fucked up. Twice. Three times considering W8 is running on your PC :mech2:

[Futzy]

I think you fucked up. Twice. Three times considering W8 is running on your PC :mech2:

I'm sorry for your mad

[Amit]

Alright, you win. There's something about that phrase that just spooks me.

[Futzy]

ok just dont come back it hurts when i cant shinomero

[Cortexian]

You're sorry for our bad.

Our bad on what? Is that not Windows 8? Are you trying to defend Windows 8 as actually being worth any kind of money? I really don't understand what you're going on about.

[BobtheGreatII]

Not everyone here hates Windows 8. Deal with it.

[MXC]

Not everyone here hates Windows 8. Deal with it.

This.

[Amit]

Has anyone else used W8? It's a mess.

[Futzy]

opinions are cool, but i cant allow anyone to just go over aweeR

[Hotrod]

Windows 8 is pretty cool, though I believe I will be sticking with Windows 7 for now.

[Cortexian]

If you actually like/don't mind Windows 8, what exactly do you like about it?

I actually sat down for about a week trying to use Windows 8 ONLY. The shit was so useless and unfriendly, everything I wanted to do took longer than it should of. The entire thing is a convoluted mess IMO.

[Futzy]

i almost care enough to reply

[Amit]

Why defend if you don't tell us what's so good about it to make you switch from W7 to W8. There has to be a reason other than pretty tile shifting.

[JackalStomper]

its NEW and supports ARMS. I have two arms so this is great news!

[arbiter901]

If you actually like/don't mind Windows 8, what exactly do you like about it?

I actually sat down for about a week trying to use Windows 8 ONLY. The shit was so useless and unfriendly, everything I wanted to do took longer than it should of. The entire thing is a convoluted mess IMO.
^
Its suppose to be more user friendly not for me though.
It turned out to be the entire opposite from user friendly for me. The ARM version is kinda useless if they're gonna cripple it the way its heading.

[Futzy]

its NEW and supports ARMS. I have two arms so this is great news!

same

[Cortexian]

Let me re-phrase: Why would you want it on a desktop PC? What benefits does it provide over Windows 7?

[Futzy]

The desktop exists exactly as it does in W7, with the enhancements that you would expect from upgrading an OS. eg a long needed improvement on the task manager, storage spaces, a damn nice improvement to the file copy utility with a performance graph and the ability to pause transfers, as well as better time calculations, the system performance footprint has been reduced to use less RAM and services, marginally better multi monitor support, boot time is much better, native ISO mounting, quick access to advanced OS tools by right clicking the bottom left corner (stuff that was listed on the right of the W7 start menu and much more) and generally better optimizations over W7.

If you're getting held up on Metro: "you're holding it wrong." Use it as you did the start menu. Nothing in my workflow is hampered by it and I feel that it making use of my 2560x1440 screen is better than the hugely outdated start menu style lists.

[Amit]

It just takes so fucking long to find anything using metro. It's a goddamn mess! The rest of the OS I have no issue with besides the gay colour schemes.

[Warsaw]

The desktop exists exactly as it does in W7, with the enhancements that you would expect from upgrading an OS. eg a long needed improvement on the task manager, storage spaces, a damn nice improvement to the file copy utility with a performance graph and the ability to pause transfers, as well as better time calculations, the system performance footprint has been reduced to use less RAM and services, marginally better multi monitor support, boot time is much better, native ISO mounting, quick access to advanced OS tools by right clicking the bottom left corner (stuff that was listed on the right of the W7 start menu and much more) and generally better optimizations over W7.

If you're getting held up on Metro: "you're holding it wrong." Use it as you did the start menu. Nothing in my workflow is hampered by it and I feel that it making use of my 2560x1440 screen is better than the hugely outdated start menu style lists.

Well and good, but is it worth the price they are charging? Has Windows ever been worth the price they charge for an upgrade? I would say arguably no, and I would say even less so with this iteration. I would, at most, shell out $75 for an upgrade to Windows 8 and it has to be the Pro version. And I'm being optimistic.

That said, while WP7 is very intuitive, I do not find that to be the case with Windows 8.

[Futzy]

I payed $20 for Vista. I payed $10 for W7. I payed nothing for the W8 beta. If I wanted W7 on my computer I would have had to buy another W7 license. Why would I do that when I can use W8 for free now and pay as little as $20 in a year or so? Who is stupid enough to walk in to best buy and buy a boxed copy of Windows?

[Amit]

:realsmug: there are other ways that work just as well....

[Limited]

I payed $20 for Vista. I payed $10 for W7. I payed nothing for the W8 beta. If I wanted W7 on my computer I would have had to buy another W7 license. Why would I do that when I can use W8 for free now and pay as little as $20 in a year or so? Who is stupid enough to walk in to best buy and buy a boxed copy of Windows?

Free != Good.

[Futzy]

Opinion != Reality.

I'm sorry. I guess I should just stop liking things.

[Limited]

Opinion != Reality.

I'm sorry. I guess I should just stop liking things.
I bought a copy of Windows 7 3 weeks ago, does that make me an idiot?

[Futzy]

Why should I care what you use? I would never recommend anyone to use a beta OS their primary. I use the W8 RP because why the fuck should I not. I don't care what kind of opinion has been impressed upon you of W8, it in no way impairs my productivity and it enhances old functions. Get over whatever prejudices you have and think for yourself, stop caring what other people think or do. Damn this is the reason I stopped going to this miserable forum.

[Futzy]

And there I go again. Caring. I gotta stop that.

[Limited]

You are entitled to your opinion, likewise I am entitled to mine and shouldnt have my head bitten off if you disagree.

My productivity would be crippled if I was to use W8, and I think a lot of people here also would.

It has already been commonly established that it will slow down power users and creates more barriers that it fixes. That is not an opinion, its a fact.

[Amit]

What ever happened to constructive arguments? No need for anger. If he can somehow use W8 without getting tangled up, that's one hell of a feat.

[Cortexian]

I'm looking for honest answers and testimonials for Windows 8. I'd like to upgrade to it for a few of the things it offers, but the bad seems to highly outweigh the good.

[Bobblehob]

You are entitled to your opinion, likewise I am entitled to mine and shouldnt have my head bitten off if you disagree.

My productivity would be crippled if I was to use W8, and I think a lot of people here also would.

It has already been commonly established that it will slow down power users and creates more barriers that it fixes. That is not an opinion, its a fact.

Part of his point is that a bunch of the hate seems to stem from a pre-concieved prejudice towards Microsoft OS's not necessarily because the OS is actually good or bad :P

[Timo]

I installed the preview the other day, not a really big fan. Once more metro apps are available i'll probably enjoy it more. I don't really understand why people are so gutted about the loss of the start menu though, I hardly ever use it. If I do, I just use the search feature (which i'm guessing is still there in 8).

[Warsaw]

I just don't think it's efficient at mouse and keyboard input. Absolutely fantastic for touch-screens though I wonder if we need such huge elements on larger screens with higher resolutions.

I also don't think OSX is efficient at it, either. I'm rather picky with my UIs. I prefer the traditional GNOME layout over KDE, but I don't like how GNOME does some things and I like some of the features KDE has. I think Android is a pile of garbage with its UI, it can't decide what to do with itself...and I'm not even talking about the skinned versions used by manufacturers, either.

So yeah. UX is a big thing for me.

[Amit]

Part of his point is that a bunch of the hate seems to stem from a pre-concieved prejudice towards Microsoft OS's not necessarily because the OS is actually good or bad :P

Most of us have used Windows 8 Release Preview or an earlier version, so it's not like we're just pulling this out of our asses. In any case, it's a stupid thing to get mad over.

[Patrickssj6]

fak u dolan cable management
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/e8os3tlf/P1030243_small.jpg

time for a full tower xD

[Amit]

Holy Christ. Even my old case didn't look that bad and my old case is a piece of shit.

[itszutak]

Is that an antec 300? You know you can reroute the cables through the back, right?

[Patrickssj6]

Throughout the years I did many modifications and couldn't be bothered to put everything properly back in.

That's an Antec 300 but without cable extensions it still wouldn't be enough to rerouter everything through the back...but in the end it doesn't matter anyway. Still never overheated and the temperature idles perfectly fine.

I don't like the case (the LEDs in the front fans I have form the shape of the swastika...my fault though on buying the wrong ones xD) and after I get my new one , I will make sure everything will look properly.

[Amit]

If temps and performance are fine, then fuck cable management. It's just a pain in the ass. However, it does prevent loose cable from moving around and hitting an open fan.

[Patrickssj6]

True true...and in case of an upgrade, easier management.

[Ganon]

Jcap post you're desk

be gentle
http://e621.net/data/sample/68/a8/68a84e9705e156cd072b1fc5d8505feb.jpg

[Ki11a_FTW]

uhm

[picnicbasket]

http://i.imgur.com/ofYpT.jpg

jcap POST YOUR DESK

[Donut]

i dont know why, but i find how barren that shelf is absolutely fucking hysterical. like, the one bowl taking up the entirety of the shelf. :lol:

E: ganon i stared at that picture for a solid minute or so before i even noticed all the dildos.
E2: wait what the fuck, GANON?

[picnicbasket]

The desk is as barren as my personality.

[Amit]

Snip

What in the fuck....?



E: ganon i stared at that picture for a solid minute or so before i even noticed all the dildos.


How in the fuck....? They are literally all over the pic, how did you not see them? The first thing I saw was the trip monitors because they are bright, and then the Ar-15 is just sticking its dick up with the bipod, and then I was instantly eyeraped by the rest of it. That was all within the first two seconds.

[Donut]

thats exactly what i did, minus the eye rape. i was too busy looking at the monitors and the rifle. im honestly shocked there wasnt a joke about me being desensitized to dildos or something, because fuck, im starting to doubt myself here :ohdear:

[Bobblehob]

Ganon spends a lot of money on BD...

[InnerGoat]

replaced the stacked 22" and 24" with a higher quality display

http://innergoat.modacity.net/computer/u3011-dec2012-9509.jpg


JCAP POST DESK

[Futzy]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-2l6rmq.jpg

[Rainbow Dash]

nice bad dragons ganon

[itszutak]

I'm jealous

[InnerGoat]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-2l6rmq.jpgYeah this.

We're getting reports that jcap has finished his elementary school paper and may possibly post desk within the next few days??? how exciting!

[Futzy]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-2l6rmq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/E6iSr.jpg

fuck?

[InnerGoat]

wideface

[§partan 8]

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae185/johnipt8/20130120_104333.jpg

[DarkHalo003]

You got a lot of crack on your desk brah.

[Patrickssj6]

http://i.imagebanana.com/img/o1bzsug4/DSC_0002.jpg

[Amit]

Useful stuff pasted to the side of PC chassis. :Mind blown:

[Timo]

Moved places, this is my room for the next month:

http://i.imgur.com/7nReOz0.jpg

[Patrickssj6]

at least that chair won't absorb your farts

[Timo]

They linger since it's such a small room which isn't so good.

[DarkHalo003]

Enough alcohol and energy drinks there Timo?

[Timo]

lol, you should have seen my desk before I moved

[Amit]

What the fuck happened to that chair?! :ugh: And why are you still using it?

[InnerGoat]

too many farts tore it apart

[Timo]

It was a 40 chair that I got 3 years ago

[Cortexian]

http://i.imgur.com/JlUPw0j.jpg

[Amit]

More desk, less monitors.

[InnerGoat]

your zr30w looks crooked and it's making me upset

[Bodzilla]

timo, high five for worn out chair bro'z

[Timo]

Yeah buddy!

[Cortexian]

your zr30w looks crooked and it's making me upset
Nah the whole image is just weird.

[ThePlague]

What I did today:
http://i.minus.com/idPw4tu0OQsYw.JPG
http://i.minus.com/ivS478VqJadjU.JPG

I like it.

[Amit]

What I did today:

I like it.

Looks nice.

I ordered a SteelSeries Sensei RAW -Rubberized last Tuesday. I got it yesterday:

http://techgage.com/reviews/steelseries/sensei_raw/sensei_raw_01_thumb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QlbtYHj.jpg

I'm not much for SteelSeries, but when I saw the features of this mouse (rubberized surface, white LED lighting, plug and play, symmetrical design looks better to me, and low price point), I stopped waiting for DeathAdder 2013's to restock and bought this instead for $50. Sure it has no fancy LCD display on the bottom or 6 DPI settings I'll never use, on-board memory I'll never use, and fancy LED lighting that I'll never use, but it shines as purely a gaming mouse. No bullshit involved. The brilliant white LED lighting can be turned off completely or separately for the mouse wheel or logo and has a slow pulsing effect:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGBgdh90A3A

[ThePlague]

Yeah I almost got one of those things, they seemed really great.

A long time ago I ordered one of these (http://www.woot.com/offers/medal-of-honor-gaming-keyboard-8) too, but it got lost in the mail. So I got a Rosewill keyboard with mx reds instead :3

One day i'll get that keyboard :\

[Amit]

Jesus. The more I use this mouse, the more I appreciate how sexy-feeling the rubberized surface is :D I thought this same type of coating was applied to my G110 keyboard when I saw it in pictures prior to buying it, but that was not true, unfortunately. Plain old plastic on these keys :(

[DarkHalo003]

If i ever have the money for a new mouse or something expensive as a dedicated mouse, I'll probably get this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826254077

It's going down in price too! $40! I may have to get it the next time my current mouse decides to quit.

[Amit]

What the hell is a dedicated mouse?

[DarkHalo003]

What the hell is a dedicated mouse?
Slang for a mouse dedicated to gaming. In other words, not a cheap-ass mouse.

[ThePlague]

:\ I guess I wasted $50 then on my G400

[Amit]

Slang for a mouse dedicated to gaming. In other words, not a cheap-ass mouse.

Well, this time I wanted something that would a. have a better cable than the Dell premium mouse I replaced and b. be comfortable. I don't know how I lived without this rubber coating before. Still, I feel like I could have used those extra rubbery sidings of the Deathadder 2013 on this mouse.

[Pooky]

:\ I guess I wasted $50 then on my G400

Why? The G400 is amazing. Easily my favorite mouse, and I've used many far more expensive ones. The grip is absolutely perfect for the right-handed and the sensor is excellent. My MX-518 lasted me through 8+ years of hardcore gaming and the G400 is just an improved version of that.

[Amit]

He's retarded if he thinks he wasted his money on the best made mouse of all time.

[ThePlague]

Was sarcasm :\

[Timo]

Logitech G5 is the bomb, had it for the past 6 years

[Amit]

Setpoint is a Piece of shit. Therefore, G500 is a piece of Shit. The ergonomics are great, though.

[Timo]

eh, i've never really used the software as it is crap. Windows' mouse settings are more than enough.

[BobtheGreatII]

I have the G500. Yeah I use default windows drivers, never messed with the other software.

[Amit]

My bad, I meant the G500, not the G5.

[Invader Veex]

3143

Last of the parts for this came in earlier today. My first build. I'm very pleased to actually have a computer that I can play a game on more than lowest of the low settings now! (location is temporary, need another desk)

Oh and the G400 is pretty nice.

PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AMYe) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AMYe/by_merchant/) / Benchmarks (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AMYe/benchmarks/)


CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox) ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-970extreme3) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbrl) ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st31000524as) ($73.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr787oc2gd) ($239.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-rc912kkn1) ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-hive550) ($67.04 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-optical-drive-sh224bb) ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Monitor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vs238hp) ($157.69 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc02050) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-keyboard-jqd00001) ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Logitech G400 Wired Optical Mouse (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/logitech-mouse-910002277) ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1034.59
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-01 06:38 EST-0500)

[Amit]

Great build. It's been a long while since I last saw someone do a true complete build with a monitor. Then again, I don't see any speakers in that build :P

Could have saved the $23 if you skipped on the optical drive unless you really need it. I've been optical drive free for 2 years :D Although, I'm contemplating getting a Blu-Ray reader since it's not always ideal to convince someone else that I need the TV to watch a movie I've already seen lol

[Invader Veex]

Yeah I didn't get any speakers...I was just thinking of getting a decent headset. If nothing else, I'll hook it up to the stereo in my room. Optical drive was a must for me. I burn (and rip) things every so often. And I used it for the Windows installation.

[=sw=warlord]

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n599/cobby87/100_0368.jpg
That dell monitor was the best single £8 purchase made for this set up.

[TVTyrant]

Windows 8 sucks because of its oversimplified interface.

It was designed for retards who dont know how to do more complicated things on their computer and don’t want customization. They just need really big buttons to slam their heads against so they can tard off to facebook. Also microsoft is trying to force you to use the cloud where all your personal data is now easy for the goverment to sift through and where you dont really have any controll over your games and programs because you have to pay to use. Think about all the times you have used your programs. Lets say you payed 50 for a game in the past and play it alot. Now you only have to pay per use with no initial fee. Think about it. You will end up having to pay 50c for every use and if you use it 1000 times you will pay them 500 $ VS when you payed 50 dollers and got to play it as much as you wanted after. You are really stupid if you think that is a good idea. Also not everyone wants a computer that is always online, this means that most of those giant button apps for retards are useless.

I know it was designed for a tablet. My other points are valid. On that note I think people who dont realize that upright touch screens are a bad idea are morons. I mean think about it. With the mouse you can just leave your hand at rest on the desk and keybord. Whereas If you are using an upright touch screen you are always having your arms elevated. Over a normal period of time this will make your arms tired. Play a game or do some work with a touch screen for a few hours and you will see the issue.

Just because its newer does not mean its better.

[Warsaw]

Actually, Metro was designed to be a touch-friendly interface for devices that are inherently limited in capability, i.e. PMPs phones and consumer tablets (it was actually designed first for WP7 using ideas started with Zune). The only reason they are incapable, though, is because they use ARM-based processors and there is no real productivity software for systems using that architecture outside of office applications and even with that software, displays are either too low of a resolution or too small.

It's a fine idea, however they seem to think it can be a one-size-fits-all approach and that's not true, because the desktop OS is a mature platform while tablet-focused OS is not. And worse for them is that tablets are getting more and more capable every day, making those UI designs that were supposed to help circumvent shortcomings become increasingly obstructive. For some reason, everybody thinks tablets are incapable of having applications running simultaneously and/or in a windowed format. Metro's inability to do either of those things kills it as a serious contender.

Microsoft needs to go back to the drawing board and engineer a UI that is flexible enough to be implemented without much change across their entire size-spectrum of devices that also maintains the flexibility demanded by consumers and power users. Stitching Old and New together with a few lines of code is not the answer.

[Amit]

Yeah I didn't get any speakers...I was just thinking of getting a decent headset. If nothing else, I'll hook it up to the stereo in my room. Optical drive was a must for me. I burn (and rip) things every so often. And I used it for the Windows installation.

USB installation is still, faster :P

[Cortexian]

Not desk pictures, but I dusked out the PC today and took some outdoor shots...

http://i.imgur.com/2uq5fMq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sUT0Jji.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hMlSzNV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zlAjbSg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xr2QVAQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6bjRj0B.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lTEDPLJ.jpg

Lots of smudges because I gave up trying to keep it clean after my 5th or 6th LAN with it.

[Btcc22]

That is one dirty computer you've got there.

[Cortexian]

It's all just scuffs and shit that won't even come out anymore.

Edit: However the reason I took the pictures was two-fold. 1: Because I had everything apart and outside anway, and 2: 'Cause I plan to get some 6-pin PCI-E cable sleeve in the next couple of weeks and I wanted before/after pictures.

I guess I'll try and clean the case when I do my teardown and cable management when those come back in.

[InnerGoat]

why not get the nvidia edition of the CM690? that sticker is ugly lol

[Donut]

because he blew all his cash on sli'ed titans :v:

[Cortexian]

Have had this case since before the Nvidia editions were announced, got that sticker in a swag bag from some place. I thought it looked pretty awesome. :saddowns:

Just noticed that all the stuff that looks dirty on the back of the case isn't actually dirty. That's just me not caring about what the rear paint job looked like. I pained the case flat black since this was from back before that was standard in gaming/enthusiast cases.

[Cortexian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwynkqvIO58

[Warsaw]

Ew, bezels.

[Cortexian]

What bezels, I don't see them.

[Cortexian]

Pretty much finished with the hardware side of things now, water-coling loop up next and then cosmetic stuff...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0KKTPp4go4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OuYw2XFCrY

[Dwood]

"PRO-Cessor"

[Cortexian]

Yeah?

[InnerGoat]

looks so ​fast

[Cortexian]

no racing stipes tho

[TVTyrant]

Bumping for fun

Also, Jcrap post desk plz

[Cortexian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1K2FvmeECo

[TVTyrant]

I love that he's watching the Big Bang Theory

[InnerGoat]

that's freelancer for ya

[Cortexian]

i'm a canadian that watches canadas most popular television show.

welp

[JackalStomper]

Derp here's my desk

http://i.imgur.com/sSe8hB6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WfKV1bJ.jpg

[Cortexian]

nice cock

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

I need a new desk, for music studio & gaming, any suggestions would be great

Until then, here's my rig
3375

Specs:
Intel Core I7-5820k
20gb DDR4 2800mhz
Nvidia GTX 970 OC
6tb HDD Space/500GB 840 EVO SSD
Gigabyte Gaming G1 X99 Motherboard
Thermaltake Core V71 Case
Liquid cooled at 28*c

[Amit]

Can afford all that, but not a good camera to take a picture of it? XD

[InnerGoat]

when someone gives him a good camera he'll get better pictures lmao

[Cortexian]

Can afford all that, but not a good camera to take a picture of it? XD
You need to remember that Pyong doesn't buy things, he begs for things. :)

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

I don't beg for things.
I obtain things, sell them, and buy things.

[Zeph]

I don't beg for things.
I obtain things, sell them, and buy things.
you also rape oculus rifts with a knife instead of giving them to people who could use them.

[Dwood]

you also rape oculus rifts with a knife instead of giving them to people who could use them.

that one was already broke i think unless he raped it after that one.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Yeah it was already broken.

[t3h m00kz]

nerds



https://i.imgur.com/1CVZR7H.png
https://i.imgur.com/ImRy1nJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rPWMnkG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nl1ScqG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Bp2bPzB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gnuJUMD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VxXrECJ.jpg

[Lateksi]

Oh wow, that's almost some kinds of a studio. We have the same 3DS XL!

[t3h m00kz]

yeah it's too bad I don't really have the skills to get paid for doing anything productive with it lmao

also (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCJBI0BCIoc)

[Bodzilla]

nerds



https://i.imgur.com/1CVZR7H.png
https://i.imgur.com/ImRy1nJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rPWMnkG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nl1ScqG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Bp2bPzB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gnuJUMD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VxXrECJ.jpg


Howdy baby mookz, you got a skype?

[t3h m00kz]

ye

[InnerGoat]

put the xbone on the sub it will last longer trust me :realsmug:

[Amit]

:mech:

[Cortexian]

http://i.imgur.com/yEyml7F.jpg

[Bodzilla]

razer gear? Laff

[InnerGoat]

proof that advertising really works :^)

[Dwood]

At least he has a full-size keyboard. :/ I'm running on this cramped one that's way too small, despite being a mechanical keyboard. Rember kids, buy yourself a full-size keyboard.

[Cortexian]

DeathAdder and BlackWidow are still flawless products IMO. Mine have worked significantly better than anything else I've used or seen other people use in person. No regretz.

[Bodzilla]

laff

[Btcc22]

DeathAdder and BlackWidow are still flawless products IMO.



My BlackWidow Ultimate 2013 is unusable after the first login because subsequent logins cause the keyboard to start repeating the enter/return key forever until you quit the software. The firmware update was supposed to fix that specifically, and yet it's still happening... Razer support can't help me either, hence switching to Corsair instead of waiting for the Chroma!

TBH, I'd cancel pre-order until you know if they've fixed the problems in the firmware or not.

Flawless.

The 2013 edition only exists because the original was prone to breaking, like most Razer products.

[Bodzilla]

LOL

[Cortexian]

That was a software issue, was fixed after I posted that. Therefore, obviously not the fault of the hardware. Hardware has been solid, I still don't like their software as much as others.

welp.

[n00b1n8R]

I agree with Freelancer, my Razer Deathadder™ hasn't bothered me at all since I chucked it in the bin. Before that though, the left click was totally fucked and one of the side buttons had caved in. It was really frustrating back then, but now it's all better!

[Bodzilla]

it's great to see that firmwear update really helped you n00b with your razer product problem!

Hopefully you wont have problems from razer gear in the future!

[n00b1n8R]

Oh I'm sure I won't, Bodie-Senpai~

[Patrickssj6]

my keyboard is much bigger than yours