New Motherboard (to get a new GFX card)

[bleach]

I need help finding a compatible motherboard for my Dell Dimension 1100. This is the link of all my computer's specs (when bought):
http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Dell-Dell-Dimension-1100-Desktop-Computer-for-Business-DIM11P4MIN
Can someone help me find at least a motherboard that is under 150 dollars and has 2 AGP 8x or PCI Express Slots?

Bleach

[Chronos]

I'm guessing you're going to take the RAM and all out of that Dell and stick it into your new motherboard?

[bleach]

ya...1.024 GB (2 x 512 MB). I just need a new mother board that can go with my memory, CPU, the case, and anything else important on my computer.

[Chronos]

I'll have a look for you.

Edit: What graphics card would you be getting?

[Xetsuei]

Do you happen to know what socket your cpu is and how many pins your ram is?

[Chronos]

Bad news.

Your processors is one of those Intel processors that require socket 478 to work. Most of those the newer Intel motherboards use socket 775..

So.. this means for SLI/CrossFire, none of the Intel motherboards/chipsets that support socket 478 support 2 PCI-E or 2 AGP slots, if I remember correctly. Sorry man.

[bleach]

184 Pins @ 400 MHz
I need to find out what my socket is.
I'm not really planning on SLI/Crossfire. A decent PCI-E or AGP graphics card (ATI X1550 or above; NVidia 7 series) designed for medium gaming, multimedia, and Windows Vista. By the way, what is a Intel Pentium 4 Prescott?

Update: I will be getting a PNY Verto Geforce 7800 AGP 8x 256 MB DDR3 if i get a motherboard that matches my computer specifications and supports the AGP 8x.
EDIT: I will post links to motherboards that I find that might be able to replace my current outdated motherboard from Dell.
Motherboards: (Note: Click on specifications tab if the information and little tidbits about the Motherboard doesn't appear when you click the link.)

-ASRock P4VM890 Socket 478 VIA P4M890 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - $44.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157106

-BIOSTAR P4M80-M4 Socket 478 VIA P4M800 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - $49.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138262

-PCChips M963GV SiS Socket 478 MicroATX Motheboard / Audio / AGP 8x / 10/100 Ethernet LAN / USB 2.0 / CNR - $39.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2203974&CatId=182#detailspecs

[Xetsuei]

Go with the ASRock P4M890 Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157106). Also, what's your budget for a graphics card? Don't get the 7800 AGP, AGP sucks and the ASRock uses PCI-E(much better).

[bleach]

any graphics card that supports DX9c - DX10, Shader Model 3.0 or above, less than 200 bucks, supports Windows Vista, and can play Halo 2 at medium at least. K thanks. +REP for anybody who posted anything. I just hope Pentium 4 Prescott is what i have.
I would prefer maybe a ATI X1600/NVIDIA 7300 or above.

[Xetsuei]

eVGA GeForce 8600GTS Superclocked (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130086)

[Mr Buckshot]

You don't need to have two AGP or PCI-e slots considering your limited budget. Two AGP slots is non-existent anyway. Two PCI-e slots are for SLI or Crossfire (linking two video cards to act as one powerful card), which you won't smell.

Socket 478 is a bit old, I think you'll have to find an AGP board instead. AGP isn't as good as PCI-e, but it isn't dead yet and is still sufficient. Mind you, there is only one AGP 8x slot per motherboard.

You also need to check the exact details of your RAM (pins, type, etc) otherwise it won't fit into your mobo. I believe your hard drive, optical drive, etc won't be a problem.

With this old desktop computer I once had, I switched the mobo to change a 3.2Ghz p4 to an Athlon X2 4200+ and I had to check carefully to make sure that everything still fit on it.

also, try selling your current PCI video card to up your budget a bit (I know the Intel Extreme Graphics 2 barely count as graphics, but you need to USE the computer to talk to us before getting a new board).

[bleach]

hey...so you think the last Motherboard i listed is the best?
This is my computer's tech, i'm not really good at this tech stuff:
http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Dell-Dell-Dimension-1100-Desktop-Computer-for-Business-DIM11P4MIN (http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Dell-Dell-Dimension-1100-Desktop-Computer-for-Business-DIM11P4MIN)

with:
The last MoBo on my list:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2203974&CatId=182#detailspecs (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2203974&CatId=182#detailspecs)

As for graphics cards: I only have a 250 Watt Power Supply. No more money to upgrade anything, says Dad.

[Mr Buckshot]

Try www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com).

By the way, can that optical drive play DVDs? You'll need a DVD drive for H2V (since the game ships on a DVD, and many PC games are starting to adopt the DVD standard due to increasing size).

[bleach]

nope don't have a DVD drive, i'll get one, but when i go to system requirements lab, and click test Halo 2, it indicates that i have a DVD drive, i don't know about this, but i always have Daemon Tools running, i have Halo .mds and .mdf mounted everyday...
What do I do about the graphics card?
Graphics Card Solutions: (anything less than $200 dollars)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102085 - Sapphire Radeon X1650 256 MB GDDR2 AGP 4x/8x
------------------but i don't know about the power supply requirement for this graphics card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102086 - Sapphire Radeon X1650 512 MB GDDR2 AGP 4x/8x
------------------doubts clouding mind when thinking about power supply.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130076 - EVGA 256-A8-N542-T2 GeForce 7600GS 256MB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130274 - EVGA 256-A8-N506-AX GeForce 7800GS 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X CO Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150210 -XFX PVT73AUDE3 GeForce 7600 GT 256 MB GDDR3 AGP 4x/8x

[Mr Buckshot]

Geforce 7600 GS (whichever one is cheaper). The provider of the video card doesn't matter (still the same hardware) but eVGA is said to be a very good provider of Nvidia cards due to excellent warranty and so on.

yeah, I suppose you could buy H2V, then download an ISO from a torrent (it's legal if you own the full game) to install and run it.

[InnerGoat]

Can someone help me find at least a motherboard that is under 150 dollars and has 2 AGP 8x or PCI Express Slots?

BleachWith a budget of 150 dollars, you would be so much better off getting that cheap AMD dual core (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103052)for 80 bucks, and a cheap motherboard. You get to use your current RAM and everything, as its the older socket 939 that works with DDR. Plus, you have a PCIe slot then.

[ImSpartacus]

With a budget of 150 dollars, you would be so much better off getting that cheap AMD dual core (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103052)for 80 bucks, and a cheap motherboard. You get to use your current RAM and everything, as its the older socket 939 that works with DDR. Plus, you have a PCIe slot then.

dont waste your time with amd at the moment, if he went this far with that old p4, then he'll go just as far with this set up, dont pin him down with older hardware (current amd's). especially since amd loves to throw out new sockets every 6 months.

but for graphics, just get a 7600gt, or less. anything more than that will bottleneck the cpu, and i dont think he wants this if this is a long term build.

that will do what u need it to do, nothing more, nothing less.

[InnerGoat]

, dont pin him down with older hardware (current amd's). So throw more money into a dated system then http://www.h2vista.net/innergoat/stuff/dr/emot/hsugh.gif

[Amit]

Problem is that the 8600GTS and the 7800 may not fit in his case. I suggest u get a cheap midtower chassis for around $80US to make sure the card fits. Also i doubt you'll find a mother board with dual agp anymore. Also, find a good modern motherboard, don't get Crossfire, just get yourself a x1950PRO or something. You probably won't be able to use you processor though. LOL at futureshop in my town the 7800 GS AGP($399 CAD) is more expensive than the X1950PRO.($219 CAD).

It's kind of pointless at this time to try upgrading an older system, try to save up your money and beg your parents like crazy because you can't seriously expect to do even minimum gaming with repairing an old PC. Especially one that was designed only for business use. WE are on the verge of going into DirectX 10 gaming, there's already Lost Planet. When i got my new PC in November 2005, my older one was a slow piece of shit. Specs: P4 1.7GHz, 256mb ddr, 40gb HDD, intel extreme graphics, it was a plain piece of shit that took 10 minutes to open firefox. 4 people had to share this computer so my dad couldn't deny that we needed a new one. We went out and bought my current PC. I haven't changed anything since then except for adding in an X1600 PRO last april and an X1950PRO this May. I added a 40gb HDD too.

[bleach]

Well I don't need a new CPU (i don't really know the parts of the computer LMAO and how to take them apart), but I'm just looking for a motherboard with AGP and PCI-E. My budget is under $200 dollars. Plus, I'm already planning on getting a DVD/CD drive, Halo 2 and a graphics card for the motherboard. Please give me a link to the motherboard that you think is best for my system, computer and can help me with mediocre gaming and multimedia on Windows Vista. Does it matter if I buy like an ATI X1650 but have a 250 Watt Power Supply?

[InnerGoat]

ASRock makes boards with both AGP and PCIe on them. Newegg doesn't carry the one that works with your CPU anymore though.

[bleach]

so where should I look now? I just need that Motherboard...and then anything else is fine. For power supply doubts, i think i want the Visiontek ATI Radeon X1550 XGE (Xtreme Gaming Edition) 512 MB. Is it possible to rip my CPU and Motherboard off and replace it with another Motherboard CPU combo? I'm just sticking with my computer, only upgrading Motherboard, optical drive, graphics card, Memory RAM, and OS.

[Mr Buckshot]

Radeon X1550 sucks, get the X1600 or the Nvidia Geforce 7600. Either video card is good bang for the buck.

yes you can get a whole new mobo and CPU if you have the cash.

[Mr Buckshot]

Well I don't need a new CPU (i don't really know the parts of the computer LMAO and how to take them apart), but I'm just looking for a motherboard with AGP and PCI-E. My budget is under $200 dollars. Plus, I'm already planning on getting a DVD/CD drive, Halo 2 and a graphics card for the motherboard. Please give me a link to the motherboard that you think is best for my system, computer and can help me with mediocre gaming and multimedia on Windows Vista. Does it matter if I buy like an ATI X1650 but have a 250 Watt Power Supply?

sorry for double post, but:

you don't need both AGP and PCI-e. Such mobos that carry both slots tend to be quite slow.

[bleach]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but what I meant was a motherboard that has AGP 8x or PCI Express x16 and a PCI slot for my Netgear Wireless 108 MBPS network card. Wait, the power supply requirements for the ATI 1600 or NVIDIA 7600 or above is demands more than 300 watts from my power supply and my power supply says that it has 250 watts.:( What do i do?

EDIT: http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=3122115 ATI Radeon X1650 512 MB but needs 350 watt power supply
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203067403&SearchEngine=ya&SearchTerm=203067403&Type=PI&Category=Comp&dcaid=17194
-------that is the EVGA Geforce 7800 GS 256 MB but needs 400 watt power supply

Is it possible to rip my power supply out? I found a 350 Watt Power Supply that supports Pentium 4 for about 30 dollars. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7284985&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat107700050048&id=1118839979974
i don't know about this power supply, but its 400 watts, ATX ( i don't know if that supports pentium 4 or whatever), and for 30 dollars at Frys. http://shop4.outpost.com/%7BIwztdJJwTOOAVRCu3oSZtg**.node2%7D/product/4909961;jsessionid=IwztdJJwTOOAVRCu3oSZtg**.node2? site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
And of course, the graphics cards.
ATI X1650 512 MD DDR2 (S. M. 3.0, DX9 variant) http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5064665?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - for $159.99---------------------------------------------
EVGA e-Geforce 7600 GS 256 MB DDR2 http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5238037?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - for $109.99----------------------------------------------

[bleach]

What does anyone think about the motherboard with AGP 8x from Tigerdirect i'm getting? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2203974&CatId=182
And any solutions for the power supply (my dad won't let me get a new power supply; I'm 70% sure) 300 watts and above for the graphics card?
Which graphics card should i go with? Power Supply: 250 Watts

[InnerGoat]

sorry for double post, but:

you don't need both AGP and PCI-e. Such mobos that carry both slots tend to be quite slow.
This is true for most boards, but some of the ASRock line are just as good as the 200 dollar overclocking boards. :D


ATI X1650 512 MD DDR2 (S. M. 3.0, DX9 variant) http://shop4.outpost.com/product/506...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG - for $159.99---------------------------------------------Wtf? You can get a 7900GS for 100 bucks. :eyesroll: The price difference between AGP and PCIe cards is really aweful. With that said, You would enjoy the 7600GS more.

[Mr Buckshot]

Dude, use www.newegg.com for ANY kind of computer hardware. These outpost and whatnot sites are rip-offs.

You do have the means to buy online, right? (i.e. credit card, paypal)

[InnerGoat]

FRYS isin't a ripoff. They had the Q6600 for 299 afew days ago for the 4th. :p

[Amit]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but what I meant was a motherboard that has AGP 8x or PCI Express x16 and a PCI slot for my Netgear Wireless 108 MBPS network card. Wait, the power supply requirements for the ATI 1600 or NVIDIA 7600 or above is demands more than 300 watts from my power supply and my power supply says that it has 250 watts.:( What do i do?

EDIT: http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=3122115 ATI Radeon X1650 512 MB but needs 350 watt power supply
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203067403&SearchEngine=ya&SearchTerm=203067403&Type=PI&Category=Comp&dcaid=17194
-------that is the EVGA Geforce 7800 GS 256 MB but needs 400 watt power supply

Is it possible to rip my power supply out? I found a 350 Watt Power Supply that supports Pentium 4 for about 30 dollars. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7284985&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat107700050048&id=1118839979974
i don't know about this power supply, but its 400 watts, ATX ( i don't know if that supports pentium 4 or whatever), and for 30 dollars at Frys. http://shop4.outpost.com/%7BIwztdJJwTOOAVRCu3oSZtg**.node2%7D/product/4909961;jsessionid=IwztdJJwTOOAVRCu3oSZtg**.node2? site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
And of course, the graphics cards.
ATI X1650 512 MD DDR2 (S. M. 3.0, DX9 variant) http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5064665?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - for $159.99---------------------------------------------
EVGA e-Geforce 7600 GS 256 MB DDR2 http://shop4.outpost.com/product/5238037?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG - for $109.99----------------------------------------------

Bleach, if it's possible to put the computer together, it's possible to take it apart. The power supply WILL have to go. You need at least 380 Watt to run an X1600PRO. I'm running a 420W Raidmax KY-520. Also don't get cheap noname crap PSUs they'll crap out on you after a little power outtage. Get one that is brandname and is over $40. I would say to get at least a 410W powersupply. An X1600PRO will get you good performance in most of your games. FEAR plays awsome, Halo 2 works good on medium settings at 1280x1024 with no AA.

[Xetsuei]

Problem is that the 8600GTS and the 7800 may not fit in his case. I suggest u get a cheap midtower chassis for around $80US to make sure the card fits. Also i doubt you'll find a mother board with dual agp anymore. Also, find a good modern motherboard, don't get Crossfire, just get yourself a x1950PRO or something. You probably won't be able to use you processor though. LOL at futureshop in my town the 7800 GS AGP($399 CAD) is more expensive than the X1950PRO.($219 CAD).

The 8600GTS and the 7800 would probably fit in his case, but the PSU isn't powerful enough. You're also comparing prices of an AGP card vs PCI-E. Also instead of getting an X1950PRO, he could get a GeForce 8600GTS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130086) which is cheaper, better, and DX10.

[Mr Buckshot]

last note:

about H2V, it isn't worth running on high settings since it looks just as good as the Xbox version on low, and on high the differences are not great. I myself run on low settings nowadays when I play H2V because the minimal visual upgrades aren't worth the performance downgrade.

H2V isn't the kind of game you want to use to test the true power of these awesome video cards.

[Amit]

Xetsuei™;97072']The 8600GTS and the 7800 would probably fit in his case, but the PSU isn't powerful enough. You're also comparing prices of an AGP card vs PCI-E. Also instead of getting an X1950PRO, he could get a GeForce 8600GTS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130086) which is cheaper, better, and DX10.

Yes I'm comparing how outrageous the price is for an AGP card over the PCI-E one. Doesn't it seem pretty retarded to have such a crappy card, an AGP one at that, outprice a PCI-E card that is better by today's standards? Also the GeForce 8600GTS is NOT better than an X1950PRO. Where did you get that false information from? The 8600GTS may have DirectX 10 but have you seen the benchmarks for some DirectX 10 games? Check out Call of Juarez, Lost Planet, and Company of Heroes with DirectX 10. The framerates are brutal! In DirectX 9 versions of these games the X1950PRO beats the 8600GTS. One more thing, some higher end overclocked versions of the 8600GTS are more expensive than the X1950PRO.

[Xetsuei]

Show me.

[Amit]

Xetsuei™;97553']Show me.

Right Here:

X1950PRO($219)- http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10081500&catid=10524&logon=&langid=EN

7800GS AGP($429)- http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10072450&catid=

8600GTS($249)-
http://www.businessvision.net/edge/Main.asp?D=%7B64C7CB88%2D9783%2D41DB%2D82DC%2DB800 223BD46B%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=876758001336&CategoryID=788669&DisplayMode=Category&PageNumber=1 (http://www.businessvision.net/edge/Main.asp?D=%7B64C7CB88%2D9783%2D41DB%2D82DC%2DB800 223BD46B%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=876758001336&CategoryID=788669&DisplayMode=Category&PageNumber=1)

Benchmarks:

Call of Juarez DirectX10

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/16/0,1425,sz=1&i=163906,00.gif

Company of Heroes DirectX10

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/16/0,1425,sz=1&i=163908,00.gif

As you can see the HD 2600 XT beats the 8600GTS in DirectX 10, but it doesn't matter since those games are unplayable at those framerates. X1950PRO in Directx 9 would pwn those cards. Your answer is somewhere in here: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=433312

[bleach]

damn. My dad doesn't have the time to do that. I might as well as ask him to trade computers with me, my Dell Dimension 1100 for his self-assembled computer with 2 PCI-E X16, 2 PCI, AMD processor, SLI-Capable, DVD drive 330 Watt PSU, 4 GB DDR RAM computer, but the problem is, one PCI-E slot is fixed with the ATI X300 SE, i might have to take that out. If I get his computer, what graphics card should I get?

[Amit]

Yes at the moment the HD 2400, 2600, and the 2900 are failures. Since the HD 2600 line isn't out yet, we should wait until there are actually consumer products out there. It is said that they are already out but i can't find a single place that sells them.

Also bleach, why haven't you told us that you could switch you PC with your Dad's PC before? If he is only doing business why the hell does he need such a good and fast PC? Ya those graphics are pretty crap too.

[TheGhost]

I'd recommend a Intel core 2 duo with an 8600 - this should last you for a while. You need a mobo with LGA 775 and PCI-E x16 to get by these days.

[bleach]

He says its for the church and his entertainment or multimedia. But, I don't know about switching with my dad, my dad gets angry if I force him to do stuff, really angry. I might have to win 1st place at a competition to "soften" his heart. Well, either way, I have planned a graphics card if I get my dad to switch computers with me, the Visiontek Radeon X1600 Pro 512 MB DDR2 PCI Express.

[Amit]

Decent Card. However, I don't think you should be playing violent games on a PC with Church related things.

[Xetsuei]

Right Here:

X1950PRO($219)- http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10081500&catid=10524&logon=&langid=EN

7800GS AGP($429)- http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10072450&catid=

8600GTS($249)-
http://www.businessvision.net/edge/Main.asp?D=%7B64C7CB88%2D9783%2D41DB%2D82DC%2DB800 223BD46B%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=876758001336&CategoryID=788669&DisplayMode=Category&PageNumber=1 (http://www.businessvision.net/edge/Main.asp?D=%7B64C7CB88%2D9783%2D41DB%2D82DC%2DB800 223BD46B%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=876758001336&CategoryID=788669&DisplayMode=Category&PageNumber=1)

Benchmarks:

Call of Juarez DirectX10

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/16/0,1425,sz=1&i=163906,00.gif

Company of Heroes DirectX10

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/16/0,1425,sz=1&i=163908,00.gif

As you can see the HD 2600 XT beats the 8600GTS in DirectX 10, but it doesn't matter since those games are unplayable at those framerates. X1950PRO in Directx 9 would pwn those cards. Your answer is somewhere in here: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=433312

You are the most fucking stupid person in the world. You shouldn't compare AGP vs PCI-E prices, two different interfaces. Also, you must have tried so hard to find the most expensive 8600GTS out there. Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130084) is a standardly clocked 8600GTS, for $150. And even that you found that 8600GTS, you could get this 8800GTS, (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082) for $10 more. And I didn't ask you to compare the 8600GTS with the completely shitty ATI low end DX10 cards, I asked you to compare it with X1950PRO. And I bet the 2600's will be priced farely closely to the 8800GTS, which completely blows them out of the water.

[bleach]

well, actually, I just found out that, the church computer is the really crappy one with 1.86 GHZ and Pentium III, the one that I'm using right now (I found out the secret password.) Its actually just full of videos, some old documents, and pictures of vacations and stuff.
EDIT: Are you talking to me?

[Amit]

Xetsuei™;97741']You are the most fucking stupid person in the world. You shouldn't compare AGP vs PCI-E prices, two different interfaces. Also, you must have tried so hard to find the most expensive 8600GTS out there. Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130084) is a standardly clocked 8600GTS, for $150. And even that you found that 8600GTS, you could get this 8800GTS, (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082) for $10 more. And I didn't ask you to compare the 8600GTS with the completely shitty ATI low end DX10 cards, I asked you to compare it with X1950PRO. And I bet the 2600's will be priced farely closely to the 8800GTS, which completely blows them out of the water.

There are a few things I would like to correct and clarify. I'm sorry, I should have told you those prices are in Canadian. Also the links to those items are in stores that are in my town if you take a look at the address of the Best Byte Computer store.


Xetsuei™;97741']You shouldn't compare AGP vs PCI-E prices, two different interfaces.

I know that you cannot fairly compare two different interfaces, I was just stating how outrageous the price for an inferior AGP card was over a PCI-E one that is better, that's all!


Xetsuei™;97741']Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130084) is a standardly clocked 8600GTS, for $150. And even that you found that 8600GTS, you could get this 8800GTS, (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082) for $10 more.

Also I stated here:

"Some higher end overclocked versions of the 8600GTS are more expensive than the X1950PRO."

If you take a look at some of the other GeForce 8600GTS ones even at the stock clock speeds are almost the same price.


Xetsuei™;97741']And I didn't ask you to compare the 8600GTS with the completely shitty ATI low end DX10 cards, I asked you to compare it with X1950PRO.

Well the HD 2600XT is not a shitty, low-end DirectX 10 card. If you say that about the ATi ones running DirectX10 games, what can you possibly say about your beloved GeForce ones? The 128-bit memory interface is severely holding back the HD 2600XT. If geforce and radeon cards were set on a 256-bit interface, the HD 2600XT would beat the GeForce cards due to it's high clock speeds. There may be places here and there where the GeForce card would do better because the game does not require a lot of shader processing since the ATi cards do a lot better with shaders...so they say. However, I will not deny the fact that they suck compared to the GeForce cards in DirectX 9 gaming. I gave you a link to a thread that was as close to a comparison of the X1950PRO and the GeForce 8600GTS as I could. I couldn't find any benchmarks so If you still want me to see if there are any, I'll look.

Ok I found a FEAR benchmark with some GeForce Cards.

http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/modules/FCKeditor/Upload/Image/Galaxy-8600GTS/fear.jpg


This comparison table could help you too: http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=466&card2=512


Xetsuei™;97741']And I bet the 2600's will be priced farely closely to the 8800GTS, which completely blows them out of the water.

You may want to take that bet back. If you read any of the reviews on the HD 2600XT, you would know that the GDDR3 version is set at a retail price of $150US.

Also I may seem like an ATi fanboy, but these are simply the facts and I still am considering upgrading to an 8800GTS in the near future with Crysis and all. I am fairly bias towards ATi though. The main reason? I've had more success out of the ATi cards than nVidia's in the past. Who knows what the future holds?


Xetsuei™;97741']You are the most fucking stupid person in the world.

I find this quite offensive when I just corrected everything you said. I used to respect you but when you asked me to show you the proof, and I did, you just threw it back in my face saying it was completely wrong, which it wasn't.

[Xetsuei]

Yes I understand that both nVidia and ATI suck for making their low end DX10 cards 128bit, which was a horrible mistake. Clock speeds do not matter. I'm sure both low end series would do much better with a 256bit interface. Also, what reviews? Show me again.

[Amit]

Xetsuei™;97901']Yes I understand that both nVidia and ATI suck for making their low end DX10 cards 128bit, which was a horrible mistake. Clock speeds do not matter. I'm sure both low end series would do much better with a 256bit interface. Also, what reviews? Show me again.

Ya, the clock speeds very with performance but it's still important to have high one. I mean, you don't really want a GeForce 7600GS with 700MHz core and 1000MHz memory and then a 7600GT with 560Mhz core and 800 Mhz memory.

BCC Hardware: http://www.bcchardware.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=4221&Itemid=40

Extreme Tech: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2151671,00.asp (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2151671,00.asp)

Go back to the first page of the Extreme Tech review, i bookmarked it at the second page.

[bleach]

My dad said NO to my request to switch motherboards(SLI capable)/(AMD64) CPU. Well, my computer Dell Dimension 1100 case is a Micro ATX and the mobo wouldn't fit anyways.
Ok, will a Biostar Geforce 6100-M9 NVIDIA Socket 939 Micro ATX Motherboard + already installed AMD Athlon 64 4000+ 2.40 GHz OEM, Athena Power AP-MP4ATX40 Micro ATX Ver 2.2 400 Watt Power Supply, 2.048 GB (400 MHz, PC 3200) DDR RAM, 28.8 GB out of 80 GB Hard Drive Free Space be enough to add a NVIDIA Geforce 8500 GPU?:) I hope I can transfer data from my old Hard Drive :( to maybe a new one, can someone try to find me a Hard Drive that is 7200 RPM, low priced, and has 160 GB - 250 GB at least? I think you can rip HDs out. Nah, What do I know about computer stuff?
External Is the ANSWER: EDITTED: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3094185&CatId=2422#detailspecs 250 GB good price. 7200 RPM. USB 2.0

[Amit]

Wait, what? What do you currently have and what do you have yet to get? Don't switch the motherboards since they wouldn't fit anyways, switch PCs altogether. If you're dad gets the entertainment PC, shouldn't gaming be apart of that entertainment experience? Also he's a prat for not sharing, lol jks. I don't know how it works in your family but I will make my dad switch with me. Crap he knows how to build a computer so you can't trick him into thinking his needs are better suited for the Dell. Well if he's only using his PC for his own entertainment, doesn't that sound pretty bad that you won't let your child play games? If it's in reasonable limits, you should make your child's life more enjoyable, even if it sacrifices your own happiness.

Now Bleach I'm not saying your dad is a bad guy or anything.

[bleach]

He says "Using the computer will make you less closer to getting the PHd degree." (He is insufficient in the English language, so he doesn't do jury duty.)

[Amit]

LOL, who wants to do jury duty? He's not entirely correct, computers don't completely lesson your chances of getting a PH.D. Also if he gets a little entertainment, why not you?

[Mr Buckshot]

Well, if parents are in the way, it may be better to forget the whole upgrade thing. My friend has a PC similar to Bleach's except that it still has the Intel Extreme Graphics 2, since he's not allowed to make any modifications to the computer, and therefore when he got $200 for his birthday he bought a PS2 and some games.

[Amit]

Ouch, what a waste of money, how long ago was that?

[Mr Buckshot]

That was in late 2004 I think. As for me, my parents are cool with hardware but they control when I can buy new stuff, which means I won't be getting Halo 3 until my birthday (dec 3) or the winter break although I have a 360.

back on topic:

so, bleach, are you going to just grab a PCI card if worst comes to worst?

[Amit]

Oh, 2004 was a while back when it still made sense to buy a PS2. Cool your BDAY is in December too. My parents are very strict with the stuff. I had to beg my dad to get me that X1950PRO, it's only $219, I can't pass that up, the regular price is $349 for the X1950PRO in Canada.

[bleach]

ya. i guess i'll have to grab the Visiontek X1550 then, unless there is another PCI card that miraculously has Shader Model 4.0, DirectX 10 and at least 256 MB DDR2 RAM or more, and replacing my 1.024 GB (512 x 2) RAM with 2 Gigabytes, if my motherboard will support it. I can cope with playing H2V at low settings, no anti-aliasing, at 800 x 600 resolution.