APEC

[rossmum]

Ok, this is getting stupid.

Most of Syndey sounds like it'll be on some sort of lockdown, and they've put the AF up with orders to shoot down anything larger than a seagull that overflies a zone spanning from here to the southern fringes of the city, public transport is being disrupted, and all sorts of shit is being closed, all because a certain president is coming here.

Joy.

...At least I'll get to see more of our Hornets, since I live on a line drawn straight from Williamstown AFB to Sydney.

[n00b1n8R]

sydney sucks, who cares.

[SnaFuBAR]

are they going to shoot down airforce one? :-3

[rossmum]

With any luck, they will :p

@ n00b:

Me, since I live very close to it. :downs:

[CN3089]

all because a certain president is coming here.

As well as 20 other world leaders. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-colbert.gif


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gif INCLUDING STEPHEN HARPER http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gif

[Bodzilla]

it's lame.

u know whats funny, i heard on the radio that they've set up double demerit fines for ppl breaking the law on the road for that weekened.
and they also admited that there wont be any cops on the road cause there all at APEC lol.

hey ross up for a drag race :D!

[n00b1n8R]

@ n00b:

Me, since I live very close to it. :downs:

http://www.mondotees.com/ProductImages/MrT2.jpg

[Dr Nick]

As well as 20 other world leaders. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-colbert.gif


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gif INCLUDING STEPHEN HARPER http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gifSteven harper is the 3rd biggest dick in the world. Following George Bush and Dick Cheney.

[Agamemnon]

Steven harper is the 3rd biggest dick in the world. Following George Bush and Dick Cheney.
Met them all, have you?

[n00b1n8R]

Don't make me post mr T again aggy :saddowns:

[Agamemnon]

Sorry, didn't know kelig's extent on political knowledge automatically made him an expert on the subject, despite the fact that he's probably never even met a politician.

[n00b1n8R]

who said anything about kelig's opinion?

would you care to give us your totally excellent and amazingly well informed opinion?

[Dr Nick]

Since I can't personally meet them, I base my opinions on what I see being done, and what I know.

[Agamemnon]

who said anything about kelig's opinion?

would you care to give us your totally excellent and amazingly well informed opinion?
Do you see me claiming an opinion on information I know little of? No. That was the point. You don't see me band wagoning "Down with the government!" bullshit because I neither know the full extent of what's really going on behind closed doors and the purpose of why many politicians do what they do and who helps them do it.

And it was you who said, "Don't make me post Mr T" after I quoted Kelig, unless you didn't know DrNick is actually Kelig.

[CN3089]

Steven harper is the 3rd biggest dick in the world. Following George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Lieberal spotted http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-jerkbag.gif


Go back to France with your leader Dion, Canada-hater. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gif


and/or

Communist spotted http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-jerkbag.gif


Go back to the Soviet Union with your leader Lenin Layton, Canada-hater. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gif


and/or

Separatist spotted :fuckoff:










:v this thread is now about canadian politics

[thehoodedsmack]

:awesome: Well spoken, CN3089.

[n00b1n8R]

And it was you who said, "Don't make me post Mr T" after I quoted Kelig, unless you didn't know DrNick is actually Kelig.

shit really? I forgot that this was the internet and I can't have my opinion without being on somebody's bandwagon :rolleyes:

also no, I didn't (and how do you know btw?)

[Dr Nick]

Lieberal spotted http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-jerkbag.gif


Go back to France with your leader Dion, Canada-hater. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gif


and/or

Communist spotted http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-jerkbag.gif


Go back to the Soviet Union with your leader Lenin Layton, Canada-hater. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gif


and/or

Separatist spotted :fuckoff:










:v this thread is now about canadian politicsI'm Canadian, fucktard.

And I think Steven Harper was a bad idea.

[Agamemnon]

shit really? I forgot that this was the internet and I can't have my opinion without being on somebody's bandwagon :rolleyes:
Who's opinion is it really? When you get your source of information from the news media, which is already biased, and then your other sources of information are 40-year-old men with hygienic issues and their conspiracies and "facts," then which is more informative?

Did you ever think that maybe your government wanted you to think badly of it and it would purposely create banter for itself? After all, what better cover up then to give people information and then make them feel smart by them thinking on their own and coming up with their own ideas and then fooling themselves that they've developed an independent opinion?

I hold neither opinion of what each side of the majority thinks because, frankly, they're putting their trust in biased politically-motivated sources. Until then, and you truly develop your own opinion, anything that's "I hate Bush," or "I hate Liberals" is defunct and blindly patriotic towards what ever cause you follow, because both follow the word "hate." That alone should be an indicator for ignorance on some level.


also no, I didn't (and how do you know btw?)
He was catching hell when he first made the alt.

[Dr Nick]

Who's opinion is it really? When you get your source of information from the news media, which is already biased, and then your other sources of information are 40-year-old men with hygienic issues and their conspiracies and "facts," then which is more informative?

Did you ever think that maybe your government wanted you to think badly of it and it would purposely create banter for itself? After all, what better cover up then to give people information and then make them feel smart by them thinking on their own and coming up with their own ideas and then fooling themselves that they've developed an independent opinion?

I hold neither opinion of what each side of the majority thinks because, frankly, they're putting their trust in biased politically-motivated sources. Until then, and you truly develop your own opinion, anything that's "I hate Bush," or "I hate Liberals" is defunct and blindly patriotic towards what ever cause you follow, because both follow the word "hate." That alone should be an indicator for ignorance on some level.


He was catching hell when he first made the alt.Do I see a personal conspiracy theory?

[Agamemnon]

Yeah, you do. You don't see me saying it's a fact, do you? You don't see me taking a side, do you?

[Dr Nick]

No, I don't.
Don't worry, I'm not either. Just noticing the obvious.

[n00b1n8R]

Who's opinion is it really? When you get your source of information from the news media, which is already biased, and then your other sources of information are 40-year-old men with hygienic issues and their conspiracies and "facts," then which is more informative?

Did you ever think that maybe your government wanted you to think badly of it and it would purposely create banter for itself? After all, what better cover up then to give people information and then make them feel smart by them thinking on their own and coming up with their own ideas and then fooling themselves that they've developed an independent opinion?

I hold neither opinion of what each side of the majority thinks because, frankly, they're putting their trust in biased politically-motivated sources. Until then, and you truly develop your own opinion, anything that's "I hate Bush," or "I hate Liberals" is defunct and blindly patriotic towards what ever cause you follow, because both follow the word "hate." That alone should be an indicator for ignorance on some level.


He was catching hell when he first made the alt.

in which case I'm happy to fall into their conspiracy (if the world was really like the matrix and you were the only person in it, would you want to know?)

anyways, g'night lady's.

[rossmum]

Aga, keilg2 couldn't spell - nor construct a simple sentence - to save his life. Dr. Nick's not perfect, but there's no way Dr. Nick is keilg2... unless he became literate within the timespace of a few weeks, which I strongly doubt.

[Dr Nick]

Aga, keilg2 couldn't spell - nor construct a simple sentence - to save his life. Dr. Nick's not perfect, but there's no way Dr. Nick is keilg2... unless he became literate within the timespace of a few weeks, which I strongly doubt.
Thank you. I didn't see his post before.

If I were kielg, I would've probably acted the same way, except a little more mature to try and fool everyone. Failing as horribly as I did in the other thread where I forgot the meaning of allusion and made a total idiot of myself:lol:

Anyway, I'm not kielg.

But I suspect with the way you think about the 'reverse psychology' of the government, you'll continue to think I am.

[et_cg]

Conspiracy: I think there's something behind all this movement in Australia; I mean, 9 foot concrete and metal WALLS??? Dividing part of the city off? That's bullshit.

Then they deny permits for protests.

Then the horse patrol contracted a type of flu.

I mean, wtf's going on?

[Zeph]

Conspiracy: I think there's something behind all this movement in Australia; I mean, 9 foot concrete and metal WALLS??? Dividing part of the city off? That's bullshit.

Then they deny permits for protests.

Then the horse patrol contracted a type of flu.

I mean, wtf's going on?

Zombie attack.
NOM NOM NOM

[Bodzilla]

Conspiracy: I think there's something behind all this movement in Australia; I mean, 9 foot concrete and metal WALLS??? Dividing part of the city off? That's bullshit.

Then they deny permits for protests.

Then the horse patrol contracted a type of flu.

I mean, wtf's going on?
QFT

[n00b1n8R]

What's this about a wall?

[Dr Nick]

They're making another wall of China. Only this one's in Australia.

[n00b1n8R]

where?

[et_cg]

where?

Around the Opera house/city center. It's fucking sad.

[n00b1n8R]

>__>

How didn't I hear of this :S

also LOL

[rossmum]

Bastards...

[Limited]

Some weird stuff going on here, not 100% sure wtf is happening in Australian but its definitely messed up.

[Dr Nick]

Some weird stuff going on here, not 100% sure wtf is happening in Australian but its definitely messed up.
:)

[n00b1n8R]

?

no, he was right. wtf were you fixing?

[Dr Nick]

I didn't fix it.

[n00b1n8R]

/facepalm

:(

[DaneO'Roo]

Lul, wether they like it or not, something terrorist related is going to happen here in Australia. All this extra measure they're taking to protect THAT PARTICULAR PART of the city is taking attention away form somewhere else.

They're not going to stop shit. First it was the US, with 911, then it was the UK with the London bombings, now it's us. Our turn is destined to come around sooner or later. I'm not worried though. I really doubt they're going to bomb this remote little town I live in.

By putting up walls and disrupting the very way we live is EXACTLY what the terrorists wanted. They wanted to cause fear and we gave them the satisfaction. I bet they're all laughing their asses off about it right now.

[Dr Nick]

And here in Canada, nothing, absolutely nothing, happens!

It's awesome, and boring!

[DaneO'Roo]

I wanna go to Canada everybody :(

[Bodzilla]

Lul, wether they like it or not, something terrorist related is going to happen here in Australia. All this extra measure they're taking to protect THAT PARTICULAR PART of the city is taking attention away form somewhere else.

They're not going to stop shit. First it was the US, with 911, then it was the UK with the London bombings, now it's us. Our turn is destined to come around sooner or later. I'm not worried though. I really doubt they're going to bomb this remote little town I live in.

By putting up walls and disrupting the very way we live is EXACTLY what the terrorists wanted. They wanted to cause fear and we gave them the satisfaction. I bet they're all laughing their asses off about it right now.
dano how the hell did u forget about the bali bombings...... australia has allready been attacked by terrorists on foreign soil.

all these measure are nothing more then to prevent rioting. Protestors (sp, drunk k.) turn violent after hours of yelling, marching and drinking and we end up with another cronulla riot on our hands, down the middle of sydney.

this is nothign ot do with terrorists >_>

[rossmum]

The Air Force's standing patrols are. I've never known rioters to take to the skies...

[n00b1n8R]

these are super rioters ross, we must be equally superly careful :saddowns:

but what are the jets going to do? shoot them down before they get to the conference? over sydney?

<.<

[DaneO'Roo]

Bodie, if you think all this apec protection is just for rioters, your just as stupid as Howard wants you to be.

The Bali bombings were in Bali, Bodie. I mean an attack on Australian soil.


What the fuck do you think all the jets are for?

Even the fact that they said no aircrafts can fly near the vicinity and the other fact that rioters aren't nearly even worth considering when compared to a possible terrorist attack. Seems like the right time for one too.

They even flushed out all the sewers in Sydney for bombs. Rioters are the underlying motive, the main reason is to protect the worlds big wigs from an attack on Australian soil.

To say that this has nothing to do with terrorism is just showing how dumb and unprepared we australians are for an attack.


Oh it wont happen to us. All these police, jets, bomb squads, huge fucking walls and flight detours are to stop those dam rioters, with their dam fists and picket signs.

/hugesarcasm

[PenGuin1362]

Ok, this is getting stupid.

Most of Syndey sounds like it'll be on some sort of lockdown, and they've put the AF up with orders to shoot down anything larger than a seagull that overflies a zone spanning from here to the southern fringes of the city, public transport is being disrupted, and all sorts of shit is being closed, all because a certain president is coming here.

Joy.

...At least I'll get to see more of our Hornets, since I live on a line drawn straight from Williamstown AFB to Sydney.

fuck the hornet. F-35/F-22 FTW

[rossmum]

Hornets are all we have until we manage to order some F-35s.

[Con]

Lul, wether they like it or not, something terrorist related is going to happen here in Australia. All this extra measure they're taking to protect THAT PARTICULAR PART of the city is taking attention away form somewhere else.

They're not going to stop shit. First it was the US, with 911, then it was the UK with the London bombings, now it's us. Our turn is destined to come around sooner or later. I'm not worried though. I really doubt they're going to bomb this remote little town I live in.

By putting up walls and disrupting the very way we live is EXACTLY what the terrorists wanted. They wanted to cause fear and we gave them the satisfaction. I bet they're all laughing their asses off about it right now.
Just what I was thinking :(

I wanna go to Canada everybody :(
You can stay at my place : D

[Xetsuei]

the hornet is awesome. F-35/F-22/F-18 FTW

ftfy

[Bodzilla]

Bodie, if you think all this apec protection is just for rioters, your just as stupid as Howard wants you to be.
now thats a bit much.
the concrete wall is there solely for the protection shops in downtown sydney. i mean seriously how else is a concrete wall going to stop terrorists........

The Bali bombings were in Bali, Bodie. I mean an attack on Australian soil.
and who do u think the attacks where aimed at idiot.
it is a well known fact that thousands of australians vist bali every year for a cheap affordable holiday.
not to mention that the nightclubs, and the times of the bombings where very specific so that there would be minimal balinese ppl caught in the blasts.
the bali bombings where an attack against australia.


What the fuck do you think all the jets are for?
Even the fact that they said no aircrafts can fly near the vicinity and the other fact that rioters aren't nearly even worth considering when compared to a possible terrorist attack. Seems like the right time for one too.
i have to admit i'm getting pretty annoyed at all this terrorist shit that everyone has been dribbling for years.
it is standard for a meeting of this magnitude to have added security.... and has been this way since before 9/11.
sure it may help preventing terrorists from reaching the meetings, but it is not the sole reason for the security.

They even flushed out all the sewers in Sydney for bombs. Rioters are the underlying motive, the main reason is to protect the worlds big wigs from an attack on Australian soil.

To say that this has nothing to do with terrorism is just showing how dumb and unprepared we australians are for an attack.
who said i said it had abosolutely nothign to do with the terrorism shit.... i was mianly refering to the concrete walls and the added security.

one thing that grinds my gears is how ppl react to these situations.
it is inevitable, it will happen so accept it. i have and i honestly dont give a fuck. if i happen to get blown up in a terrorist attack then thats just my fuckign bad luck and an assload of retarded political decisions.

Oh it wont happen to us. All these police, jets, bomb squads, huge fucking walls and flight detours are to stop those dam rioters, with their dam fists and picket signs.

/hugesarcasm
u need to go cool down.
change the fucking record because it's been skipping on the terrorist song for far too many years.

[Neuro Guro]

-

[Bodzilla]

np neuro

we'll just build a 9ft concrete wall...... cause we know if we do that where completely safe :downs:

[et_cg]

That's 2.8 Meters!

Anyways, I think all these "world powers" are meeting in Australia to evade our attention to something that's not worth paying much attention to. And then, when they have all they want in place, or when it's the right time. Something will happen that will be blamed on terrorists.

[DaneO'Roo]

Airforce 1 Just landed.


Teh Faggot is here.

[Tweek]

dum dum dummmmm..

[SnaFuBAR]

The Air Force's standing patrols are. I've never known rioters to take to the skies...
get on an american flight :saddowns:

[SnaFuBAR]

Airforce 1 Just landed.


Teh Faggot is here.
DEMOCRAZY 4 EVRY1!!! :downs:

also, your hornets failed to shoot down that terrorist aircraft they were patroling for.

[Classicthunder]

DEMOCRAZY 4 EVRY1!!! :downs:

also, your hornets failed to shoot down that terrorist aircraft they were patroling for.

lol You guys know nothing of politics and are too dense to realize Bush is leet.

Except when it come to the Mexicans running across our boarder. :mad:

[SnaFuBAR]

I hope that was sarcasm.

[Classicthunder]

lol No it wasn't.

[DaneO'Roo]

b& please :downs:

He's a faggot, period.

[Huero]

lol You guys know nothing of politics and are too dense to realize Bush is leet.

Except when it come to the Mexicans running across our boarder. :mad:
You mean illegal immigrants, you racist cock.
HEY GUYS BECAUSE SOME MEXICANS ILLEGALLY CROSS THE BORDER
MEXICANS ARE EVUL
DOWN WITH MEHIKO
I'm conservative as hell, but honestly... Wow, are you Christian?

[DrunkenSamus]

Bush is leet.



...Blasphemy :gtfo:

[Bodzilla]

lawl it's been all over the radio that he's here.

he brought like 10 000 ppl with him :WTC:

[Skiiran]

You mean illegal immigrants, you racist cock.
HEY GUYS BECAUSE SOME MEXICANS ILLEGALLY CROSS THE BORDER
MEXICANS ARE EVUL
DOWN WITH MEHIKO
I'm conservative as hell, but honestly... Wow, are you Christian?
Guys.

I'll bet Classicthunder says the same about Ayn Rand. That's how seriously we should take him.

Honestly, Bush is not the only powerful fucker that is going to be there. There are going to be other, possibly more powerful fuckers there, too. Like, say, China.

[rossmum]

Classicthunder is either a troll account or an idiot. I'm going with the latter, since there wasn't even a hint of sarcasm in that.

[Agamemnon]

Guys.

I'll bet Classicthunder says the same about Ayn Rand. That's how seriously we should take him.
There's something wrong with Ayn Rand?

[SnaFuBAR]

he brought like 10 000 ppl SOLDIERS with him :WTC:
the invasion has begun.

[Dole]

I'll bet Classicthunder says the same about Ayn Rand. That's how seriously we should take him.
What the hell did his post have to do with Ayn Rand? And what did your reply have to do with that quoted post?
And what do you even know about Ayn Rand? Have you even seen the Fountainhead, or read into anything about objectivism?

Edit: Oh, I get it. Because Ayn Rand was Russian you're insinuating that Classicthunder is an alt account of me, because it is well known that I am generally the only person on the forum who doesn't have an unrequited hatred of George Bush... and that naturally you felt like a big man to point out a connection that most people wouldn't even understand. Well, you're completely wrong in both cases, and your posts still has nothing to do with what Huerosam wrote.

[rossmum]

FLAWED ASSUMPTIONS
hi

[Dole]

It's not flawed, he was acting the same way about me in the "Russia is awesome" thread.
I guarantee he's implying that I'm Classicthunder.

[rossmum]

I highly doubt Skiiran would do such a thing. The two of you behave nothing alike, and having known Skiiran some time, I'm pretty sure he'd have realised that instantly - assuming the thought even crossed his head.

Your guarantee fails. <:mad:>

[Dole]

If I were to make an alt account of course I would feign a stereotypical "noob" mannerism to hide my identity, wouldn't I?

[SnaFuBAR]

Who says you would be feigning stereotypical noob mannerisms?

[rossmum]

If I were to make an alt account of course I would feign a stereotypical "noob" mannerism to hide my identity, wouldn't I?
It wouldn't matter, there'd always be something there that'd give you away. Not everyone would notice, but I'm sure he would.

From what I gather, you took his statment entirely in the wrong context, anyway.

[Bodzilla]

the invasion has begun.
oh dear god.

soon we'll be Neck-deep in american tv shows, and we'll replicate there fassion and mannerisms :gonk:

oh wait. :downs:

[SnaFuBAR]

oh dear god.

soon we'll be Neck-deep in american tv shows dead civilians, and we'll replicate there fassion fascism and mannerisms lack of manners :gonk:

oh wait. :downs:
:conspiracy:

[n00b1n8R]

I wonder if our totaly awesome mates in the states would do all this for howard :downs:

[rossmum]

What are you on about? Our PM is obviously Colin Firth.

[n00b1n8R]

what?

that one went strait over my head >_>

[rossmum]

:gonk:

Nevermind.

[Skiiran]

I apologize for my post; it was ambiguous. What I meant was Classicthunder probably agrees with Ayn Rand, and was simply a simplistic way of degrading him. Once again, I am sorry.

Dole, what kind of asshole logic did you use to get that idea? I'm curious, really.

[Classicthunder]

I apologize for my post; it was ambiguous. What I meant was Classicthunder probably agrees with Ayn Rand, and was simply a simplistic way of degrading him. Once again, I am sorry.

No Objectivism complete opposite of what I believe, I believe in an absolute reality and we just translate it differently. And yes I'm a Cristian. And I prefer to think of myself as a radical not a conservative.

lol and here's a nice rhetorical question that people always have trouble answering. Why do you hate George Bush? And whats has he done to be a power hungry pig? Answers such as, "ClassicThunder you an idiot if you don't know!" do not count.



If I were to make an alt account of course I would feign a stereotypical "noob" mannerism to hide my identity, wouldn't I?

I'm too awesome to be confused with you Dole jk. ;)

Anyways I've been around awhile I have a Classicthunder account on Gearbox too where Timo, soccerBum, and others helped get me started with G-Max

[CN3089]

There's something wrong with Ayn Rand?

ahahahah you're kidding right


lol and here's a nice rhetorical question that people always have trouble answering. Why do you hate George Bush? And whats has he done to be a power hungry pig? Answers such as, "ClassicThunder you an idiot if you don't know!" do not count.

Classicthunder you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism) are (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election&#37;2C_2000) an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy) ignoramus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition) if (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp) you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act) don't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War) know (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22BUSH+DID+9%2F11%22)



:v


e: haha I didn't expect that last one to go to actual conspiracy sites http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-xd.gif

[Agamemnon]

ahahahah you're kidding right
No, a woman creating a philosophy of thought isn't something I would kid with, even if I don't agree with Objectivism.

[Classicthunder]

lol nice try. Glad to see someone will actually argue and raise points instead of asking me if I'm joking. I never joke.

You: Bush isn't very good at speeches. Point taken.
Are: Bush won fair and square after Al Gore had the ballets in Florida counted 3 times. Point Taken. Also have you ever seen Al Gore running up and down the stage yelling about global warming? Remind me of Hitler "The masses will more easily fall victim to a big lie than a small one".
An: lol every president in history has done this. Read some American history.
Ignoramus: I hope the terrorist get tortured. Better than Americans jumping out of buildings. We are at war people. We don't have to be nice to the enemy, and in addition if you don't like torture there is no evidence that the people are tortured. There just kept out of the American legal system as they are lawfully supposed to be.
If: Nice page to site. The below makes me a little suspicious. No wonder you've allowed you self to become so misguided. Anyways the short lived scandal that happened there is a bad spot in out Military's treatment of the people there. It is also an exception. In most camps Guards are respectful, only touch the Koran with gloves on, and do other silly things to prevent enraging the general populous.


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You: What exactly about the patriot don't you like about it?
Don't: I believe its a noble and worth thing we are doing in Iraq. I believe its working too. The area has an incredibly long history of violence and the progress the people have made is remarkable. I believe we should also defended ourselves from the Mexican running across the boarder who hill more people per day than the terrorists do.
Know: lol I hope i detect sarcasm. If Bush is such an Idiot do you think he could have thought that up? I've looked at some of those and there theories. No evidence at all. Also what would such a move bring him? More power for the next 2-3 years? A stringer presidency for his son?
Bush is leet CN3089

Also why wikipedia? Thats just a few. Everybody with any expertise says wikipedia is trash, and a majority of colleges will fail a paper if you cite wikipedia. Find some evidence written by someone with some credentials.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/18/wikipedia_quality_problem/
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/

Katie Couric just admitted that things are getting better Iraq. Glad more people are awaking to this fact.

[Huero]

And yes I'm a Cristian.

I made myself look like an idiot back on page 7, but my point still stands.
You are a racist pig, and a perfect sheep.
Let me guess, you think Bush is leet because your family does, right?
Ever try looking at the big picture and realizing that MAYBE, just MAYBE Bush isn't leet? He sent us into Iraq for Weapons of Mass Destruction, which weren't found. We aren't in there for any good reason. Personally though, I think that we have to stay there, because the moment the war ends, we get more terrorists. I like Bush, I just think he's kinda stupid.
At least he isn't Clinton.'



By the way, it's "Christian." I should know, it's my religion, why don't you?



And by votes, Al Gore did win, faggot.

[Boba]

lol nice try. Glad to see someone will actually argue and raise points instead of asking me if I'm joking. I never joke.

You: Bush isn't very good at speeches. Point taken.
Are: Bush won fair and square after Al Gore had the ballets in Florida counted 3 times. Point Taken. Also have you ever seen Al Gore running up and down the stage yelling about global warming? Remind me of Hitler "The masses will more easily fall victim to a big lie than a small one".
An: lol every president in history has done this. Read some American history.
Ignoramus: I hope the terrorist get tortured. Better than Americans jumping out of buildings. We are at war people. We don't have to be nice to the enemy, and in addition if you don't like torture there is no evidence that the people are tortured. There just kept out of the American legal system as they are lawfully supposed to be.
If: Nice page to site. The below makes me a little suspicious. No wonder you've allowed you self to become so misguided. Anyways the short lived scandal that happened there is a bad spot in out Military's treatment of the people there. It is also an exception. In most camps Guards are respectful, only touch the Koran with gloves on, and do other silly things to prevent enraging the general populous.


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You: What exactly about the patriot don't you like about it?
Don't: I believe its a noble and worth thing we are doing in Iraq. I believe its working too. The area has an incredibly long history of violence and the progress the people have made is remarkable. I believe we should also defended ourselves from the Mexican running across the boarder who hill more people per day than the terrorists do.
Know: lol I hope i detect sarcasm. If Bush is such an Idiot do you think he could have thought that up? I've looked at some of those and there theories. No evidence at all. Also what would such a move bring him? More power for the next 2-3 years? A stringer presidency for his son?
Bush is leet CN3089

Also why wikipedia? Thats just a few. Everybody with any expertise says wikipedia is trash, and a majority of colleges will fail a paper if you cite wikipedia. Find some evidence written by someone with some credentials.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/18/wikipedia_quality_problem/
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/

Katie Couric just admitted that things are getting better Iraq. Glad more people are awaking to this fact.
What.

Also, how the fuck can someone compare Al Gore and Adolf Hitler?

[SnaFuBAR]

:godwin:

[et_cg]

Also, how the fuck can someone compare Al Gore and Adolf Hitler?

Put him in GWB's shoes.

Even if it's Bush that's heading the white house and in "control," I still think there's someone controlling him.

[Classicthunder]

What.

Brilliant response I don't know how to counter that one. Anyways if I had to make a stab I would guess you didn't understand how I structured my post. After each word I am countering the point made by the link CN3089 anchored to it.


Also, how the fuck can someone compare Al Gore and Adolf Hitler?

By the fact that both of them lead people blindly be preaching big lies that cause the public to behave in an irrational fashion about things that are not true.


And by votes, Al Gore did win, faggot.

Unfortunately the publics' vote doesn't count. We are an Indirect Democracy or Republic meaning that only the party representative's votes count. Please understand the voting proses before calling me names.

Watch youtube videos of both of them. Its scary.


You are a racist pig, and a perfect sheep.

I'm amused how you attack me and can not counter my arguments. I personally have many Mexican friends. However, Mexicans are the one crossing the boarder illegally in mass. I said they need to be stopped from crossing legally. I enjoy the company of any hard working, cheerful person I don't care what color or race they are. Also I always look at both sides before making a decision. Making me a very poor sheep.


Let me guess, you think Bush is leet because your family does, right?

Nope me parents are Democrats. You should hear us argue at the table.


I like Bush, I just think he's kinda stupid.

I like Bush, I just think he's good at making himself look like an idiot.


He sent us into Iraq for Weapons of Mass Destruction, which weren't found.

I believe we need to go in whether or not there were WMD's. I believe that the USA could become like Israel with the daily thread of bombings without creating a battle ground in the Middle East. It's better for the terrorists to fight our soldiers then it is to fight our civilians. Our army is a volunteer army. Over half of the people I know decided to go back to Iraq for a second tour. One reason I think Bush is leet is he is about the only politician support them consistently in word and in actions. The terrorists declared war on us. Should we fight them in the USA or in Iraq?

And I'm disappointed you have resorted to attacking me as a person instead of countering my arguments and raising valid points. It shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.

[Dole]

Who says you would be feigning stereotypical noob mannerisms?
Apparently me?

What's your implication?


1. You are a racist pig, and a perfect sheep.

2. Ever try looking at the big picture and realizing that MAYBE, just MAYBE Bush isn't leet?

3. He sent us into Iraq for Weapons of Mass Destruction, which weren't found. We aren't in there for any good reason.
1. How is that racist? Mexicans are illegally flooding over the border in waves, and there's absolutely no way to claim otherwise, nevermind using it to accuse someone of being a mindless racist.

2. And what is the big picture? Are you above the mass illusion? Do you feel you're raging against the machine? Do you somehow have gnostic knowledge of the politics that are going on behind closed doors in Washington, and the statistics that our government has to sort through and the resources they have to waste in senseless fiascos right here at home?
Or are you just a tool that feels the need to bend to illogical ramblings and peer pressure of the unenlightened working class (thank you, Ms. Rand) and take a ride on the trendy, cancerous bandwagon of people who don't have sense enough to put together that Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Reagan were regarded in the exact same way by the public eye, and twenty years after their presidency were revered as some of the most distinguished and resolute leaders in history?

3. Because a totalitarian regime clinging for survival wouldn't clear out biological, chemical, and nuclear weapon caches when they get word that the most assertive imperialistic entity in the free world is en route from only a thousand miles away at the far corner of the Arabian Sea to seize control of armaments that if found in your possession would incite the direct aggression of the UN and rally the most powerful countries in the world to a massive allied excursion of your territory and the immediated dissolution of your government? :raise:
Or wouldn't they rather take the initiative to empty the stores of WMD's and therefore allow ridicule and dissention to ferment among those possible allies and even the greater populace of the invading nation itself, hopefully sparking repercussions that would be so drastic as to wane the enemy's patriotic spirit and morale, and shake the support of their campaign to the point of realistically denying them the oppotunity to exercise the full unbarred potential of their occupation?

[Skiiran]

Agamemnon:
My problem with Ayn Rand is that not only do I highly disagree with objectivism, she used simplistic arguments and flaunted the U.S. as the best country evarr. It has nothing to do with her being a woman, and how that was ever drawn from my statement is beyond me.

Something actually relevant to the topic:
My problem with Bush is that he is attempting to fight a war against a descriptive word. You cannot have a war against terrorism. You can have a war against modern terrorist groups, but not a war on a word. His lack of attention to the cries of the people and lack of good evidence for ever having entered Iraq also concern me; show me a massive stockpile of uranium, mustard gas, anthrax, et cetera, and I will repeal this statement.

How Al Gore could be compared reasonably to Hitler by anyone is beyond me. Al Gore's message is not a racist or hateful one, that blames his country's problems on innocent people because people always need scapegoats, Al Gore's message is an attempt to bring us together before we get frapped by UV rays.

[Classicthunder]

How Al Gore could be compared reasonably to Hitler by anyone is beyond me. Al Gore's message is not a racist or hateful one, that blames his country's problems on innocent people because people always need scapegoats, Al Gore's message is an attempt to bring us together before we get frapped by UV rays.

Hitler wanted people to bring people together so they didn't get frapped by the Jews. The also both say big lies to unite people. But I think Gore is a better hypocrite.


My problem with Bush is that he is attempting to fight a war against a descriptive word. You cannot have a war against terrorism. You can have a war against modern terrorist groups, but not a war on a word. His lack of attention to the cries of the people and lack of good evidence for ever having entered Iraq also concern me; show me a massive stockpile of uranium, mustard gas, anthrax, et cetera, and I will repeal this statement.

I believe the simple fact that Iraq was the major harbor of terrorism and was almost immune to sanctions, is enough reason to attack it. People die without WMDs. WMD's was the icing on the cake, we needed to go there anyways WMDs or no. And the CIA said there were WMDs not Bush.

I can show you a few mass graves of people killed with mustard gas though. Or you could google it.

Also did you think we were fighting a descriptive word? If we were I'd start burning dictionaries. We are fighting people who would enjoy killing American civilians. Anyways "Terrorists" and "Islamic Extremists" are nouns are not descriptive words and thats what we are fighting.


Anyways thank you for arguing the points. But I'm afraid you trace things back to Bush that don't belong to got there. Remember we have 3 branches of government. And the two that could vote decided decisively to go to Iraq. Almost every politician decided to go to Iraq.

Including:
Hilary Clinton
John Kerry
I'm to lazy to list the many, many other Democrats and Republicans who voted to go to Iraq.

Edit: Also see Dole's edit he raises some good points too. And anyways off to bed night all.

[Agamemnon]

Agamemnon:
My problem with Ayn Rand is that not only do I highly disagree with objectivism, she used simplistic arguments and flaunted the U.S. as the best country evarr. It has nothing to do with her being a woman, and how that was ever drawn from my statement is beyond me.
I was responding to CN. :/

[rossmum]

Classicthunder, the fact you even dared to compare Al Gore to Adolf Hitler denotes what an igorant shitbag you are. As a Christian from a largely Jewish family, you've managed to offend me by sharing my religion and comparing a deranged monster to an ordinary politican. Kindly shut up and take your ignorant bullshit somewhere else.

[n00b1n8R]

In related news. (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22372814-5006009,00.html)

oh lol :lmao:

[rossmum]

If it was anywhere else, they'd probably have been shot...

[n00b1n8R]

gota love australia <3

[Bodzilla]

i love those guys xD

[DaneO'Roo]

Lmfao, they did it for the lulz.

God bless Australia :D

[Bodzilla]

GclCE0cLA-o

[Huero]

Shitload of owned me
I suppose you're right.
>:
I retract my statement and have gained +5 respect for you.

[Classicthunder]

Classicthunder, the fact you even dared to compare Al Gore to Adolf Hitler denotes what an igorant shitbag you are. As a Christian from a largely Jewish family, you've managed to offend me by sharing my religion and comparing a deranged monster to an ordinary politican. Kindly shut up and take your ignorant bullshit somewhere else.

The fact that I dared to compare Al Gore to Adolf Hitler? I didn't just compare them I said they are very similar in terms of uniting people in the face of big lies. And that much is true regardless. Adolf Hitler was much more extreem than Al Gore is but there are many similarities in how they run politics that I find unnerving.


And if I've offended you be sharing your religion I apologize. Though I don't see how any of my posts indicated I was a bad Christian. And I don't see how I would have offended you if you're easly able to discount my arguments because I'm a "igorant shitbag". Surly a great Christian such as your self is above such petty concerns.

And also my "ignorant bullshit" goes every where I go, no exceptions. Though its not bullshit at all and not as ignorant as you seem to think. I think it also important to mention I'm very bad at shutting up.

Anyways you have done nothing to demonstrate that I'm wrong or incorrect other than call me names and claim that I offend you.

The fact that the only thing you use to counter my arguments is call me names and hide behind you personal feelings demonstrates that you have no rational defense to present.

Anyways what happened to CN3089 and huerosam they actually attempted to argue and gained my respect for that.

[Agamemnon]

The fact that I dared to compare Al Gore to Adolf Hitler? I didn't just compare them I said they are very similar in terms of uniting people in the face of big lies. And that much is true regardless. Adolf Hitler was much more extreem than Al Gore is but there are many similarities in how they run politics that I find unnerving.
A lot of politicians use political tactics to pull blankets over the masses. That's always been a concept in politics ever since the earliest governments were established. Hitler didn't invent it. You could virtually compare Hitler to any politician if that's your argument, yet it would get lost in translation for what you were really aiming for, thus causing more confusion then actually making sense out of something.

[Bodzilla]

why is it that in any thread, in any forum someone somehow manages to link adolf to there view.

i just dont understand it tbh. no one in the history of the world has ever been close to comparable to hitler yet millions of ppl everywhere seem to claim so.

thats wat is really unnerving to me.

[n00b1n8R]

why is it that in any thread, in any forum someone somehow manages to link adolf to there view.

i just dont understand it tbh. no one in the history of the world has ever been close to comparable to hitler yet millions of ppl everywhere seem to claim so.

I'm sure there were some medieval tyrants, but their names just didn't spread like hitlers (what with advancements in technology and what not)

[rossmum]

The fact that I dared to compare Al Gore to Adolf Hitler? I didn't just compare them I said they are very similar in terms of uniting people in the face of big lies.
Which makes it all the more offensive.


And that much is true regardless. Adolf Hitler was much more extreem than Al Gore is but there are many similarities in how they run politics that I find unnerving.
Excuse me? What the fuck are you, one of those kids who runs around preaching every conspiracy theory in existence because they read it on some website? Politicians lie, if you don't realise that then you probably shouldn't be talking about them; but if you can actually claim Adolf Hitler and Al Gore are similar in the slightest, you need to actually pay a visit to the real world once in a while.


And if I've offended you be sharing your religion I apologize. Though I don't see how any of my posts indicated I was a bad Christian.
Being an ignorant moron who makes extremely offensive statements makes you not just a bad Christian, but a bad human as far as I'm concerned.


And I don't see how I would have offended you if you're easly able to discount my arguments because I'm a "igorant shitbag". Surly a great Christian such as your self is above such petty concerns.
Did I ever say I was the perfect Christian? No, but at least I'm not an ignorant zealot uses religion as an excuse to take shots at others.


And also my "ignorant bullshit" goes every where I go, no exceptions.
Then perhaps you should remove yourself from this site.


Though its not bullshit at all and not as ignorant as you seem to think.
Hey, find me some actual evidence and I might not scoff at that statement. Oh wait, you can't. http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-jerkbag.gif

What next? "OMG GUYZ THE JEWS DID 9/11!!!!! AND AL GORE PLANNED IT"

Get a grip, please.


I think it also important to mention I'm very bad at shutting up.
Oh, ok. I suppose I should also mention that I'm worse at shutting up, so you may as well do so and save yourself the humiliation.


Anyways you have done nothing to demonstrate that I'm wrong or incorrect other than call me names and claim that I offend you.
In other words, I've done about as much to prove you're incorrect as you have to prove you're correct. Wow, amazing.


The fact that the only thing you use to counter my arguments is call me names and hide behind you personal feelings demonstrates that you have no rational defense to present.
...Or it could even demonstrate that I'm so fed up with zealots like you trying to force your crap on everyone else that I do not wish to spend my time typing out 5,000-word essays on why you're wrong.

How about we make a deal here? You present some sort of tangible facts rather than conspiracy theory gibberish about Al Gore and how he gassed millions of people and started a world war, and I'll actually bother to state the obvious for your benefit.

[p0lar_bear]

Really, parading around conspiracy theories needs to be a bannable offense.

[Bodzilla]

it's not god i hate.
it's his fanclub i cant stand.



I'm sure there were some medieval tyrants, but their names just didn't spread like hitlers (what with advancements in technology and what not)
thats not what i ment about the hitler statement.

to me it just seems like "oh fuck i've ran outta ideas so i'll somhow manage to crudely link a deranged genocidal lunatic to my argument to spice it up a bit."

the hole things a big fucking load.

[rossmum]

I think Snaf pretty much summed it up a few pages ago:

:godwin:

[Huero]

oh yeah and to that guy that's all super republican and shit
I was referring to the electoral college and how it's retarded with that statement, if it wasn't clear enough

[Dole]

:UNCOMPRESSED POST:
PLEASE, use bullets and/or spoiler tags to organize these long posts instead of quoting pieces of the same post over and over again! :gonk:

[rossmum]

PLEASE, use bullets and/or spoiler tags to organize these long posts instead of quoting pieces of the same post over and over again! :gonk:
http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-effort.gif

[TeeKup]

The fact that I dared to compare Al Gore to Adolf Hitler? I didn't just compare them I said they are very similar in terms of uniting people in the face of big lies. And that much is true regardless. Adolf Hitler was much more extreem than Al Gore is but there are many similarities in how they run politics that I find unnerving. Last time I checked, most politicians do that


And if I've offended you be sharing your religion I apologize. Though I don't see how any of my posts indicated I was a bad Christian. And I don't see how I would have offended you if you're easly able to discount my arguments because I'm a "igorant shitbag". Surly a great Christian such as your self is above such petty concerns. Because you sound like a stupid bigot thats why

And also my "ignorant bullshit" goes every where I go, no exceptions. Though its not bullshit at all and not as ignorant as you seem to think. I think it also important to mention I'm very bad at shutting up. I really suggest you change that attitude of yours, you really sound like a stuck up prick, we generally don't like those people.

Anyways you have done nothing to demonstrate that I'm wrong or incorrect other than call me names and claim that I offend you. Actually he has

The fact that the only thing you use to counter my arguments is call me names and hide behind you personal feelings demonstrates that you have no rational defense to present. No, not really, from my stand point he has good reason to call you names, check his recent post

Anyways what happened to CN3089 and huerosam they actually attempted to argue and gained my respect for that.

Dear god you narcassisstic dumbass, you're totally fucking clueless.

[MNC]

Joy indeed.


I thought you mispelled Epic when I read the title there.

[Dr Nick]

President Bush
- APEC 2007 Business Summit -

Part 1 of 4
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lol, OPEC:lol:

Part 2 of 4
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Part 3 of 4
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Part 4 of 4
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[rossmum]

That was actually quite a good speech. Nice segue from business to Iraq, though. :p

[Pooky]

I'm sure there were some medieval tyrants, but their names just didn't spread like hitlers (what with advancements in technology and what not)

SOME?

I swear, people have no respect for history at all. And unlike most of the stupid shit people do, not bothering to learn shit about the past is new. There have been tyrants as long as there have been people to dominate, and there always will be.

[Teh Ganon]

That was actually quite a good speech. Nice segue from business to Iraq, though. :p

yes lets go to the OPEC meeting and listen to his next one :lol:

[Con]

That was actually quite a good speech.
I wonder who wrote it for him?

[ExAm]

That was actually quite a good speech. Nice segue from business to Iraq, though. :pWhoever he hired in place of Karl Rove is doing his job well.

[n00b1n8R]

SOME?

I swear, people have no respect for history at all. And unlike most of the stupid shit people do, not bothering to learn shit about the past is new. There have been tyrants as long as there have been people to dominate, and there always will be.

Did anybody do it on hitlers scale though?
I don't recall many empires taking over most of Europe >.>

[rossmum]

Plenty did. Now get back ontopic.

[n00b1n8R]

sorry, I thought opec ended :downs:

can we talk about the austrian troops now?

[kungpow]

Religion sucks.

;D

[Con]

;D

[Pooky]

Did anybody do it on hitlers scale though?
I don't recall many empires taking over most of Europe >.>
Read up on Alexander the Great and Genghis Kahn

[Dole]

Alexander the Great never even finished the conquest of Greece, goofy nugget, nevermind most of Europe. >_>
He held Macedonia, Thessaly, Attica, and the Isthmus and North of Pelopennesus, but that's it as far as Europe goes (he focused his resources on the East, instead of crossing into states on the periphery of Sparta). All of these lands would come under the rule of the Antigonid dynasty after Alexander's death.

In Asia he had Anatolia and the rest of the Near East (Phoenicia and Palestina), Assyria, Babylonia, greater Persia, Bactria, and then the Hindu Kush mountains at the far frontier of the empire (after the empire ruptured, the latter five territories would fall under the heirship of the Seleucid empire administrated by one of his former generals. Eventually, this too would crumble and give way to several independent principalities still ruled by Greek dynasties, which in turn would be swallowed by expanding native asian empires: the neo-Persian, or Parthian, in the central Middle East, and the smaller Kushan empire in the east. Later on, Iulius Caesar and Pompeius would be engaged in a chase across Mediterranean locales, and this trepidation would give way to the first incursion of imperial Rome into the Near East. From that point on Rome and Parthia would be having border disputes right up until the collapse of the former, although under Traianus, the Romans had wrested major territories from the control of western Parthia).

Also, he had Egypt in Africa (which would be ruled by the Ptolemaic dynasty of his administrators; this state would outlive both the Asian and European kingships, and at last was directly assimilated by the expanding Roman Empire). The Ptolemies had originally controlled Palestina, but later lost control to the Seleucids.

It is a common misconception that Alexander and the Persians under Cyrus had captured territories in the Arabian Peninsula. Alexander for the most part usurped lands from the grasp of the Persian Empire, city by city, but Persia had never taken any large quantities of land in the Arabian deserts, and established the fringes of their empire at what could generally be regarded as the modern border of Saudi Arabia. Likewise, the Romans and Parthians would usurp territories that were formerly Alexandrian, and would keep the same borders as well.


As for Ganghiz Khan, his troops in Europe under the brilliant but aging general Sabotai would only take Russia, and northern parts of Eastern Europe to the east border of Hungary. They crossed into Byzantine lands, but never took dominion of them, instead forming a shaky truce with the native empire. The Byzantine Empire was still recovering from the sack of Constantinopolis during the Fourth Crusade, and was in no condition to resist the incoming Mongols. Therefore, it paid them a regular tribute and established compromises and trade exchanges with the Mongols to keep them appeased. Nevertheless, the incredible coordination of Mongol military campaigns may have ensured they would have been able to subdue the Byzantines regardless. That same military prowess and mind-boggling efficiency to organize strategies and mobilize large forces probably would have ensured the Mongols the aptitude to complete a European campaign.
However, the Mongols finally receded back into Asia to pay respects to the death of the emperor Ogodai, Ganghiz' third son (after Ganghiz' death, his firstborn and secondborn both acknowledged each other that there would be a civil war if either one of them would be successor to rule, and so they conceded and jointly coronated the thirdborn son), and eventually turned their interests on keeping the inhabitants of their aquisitions in China in check, ultimately disbanding the prospect of Europe for good.

[n00b1n8R]

I'd like to point out I said many, not any.
I know shit about europian history so I wasn't going to assume he was the only one.

[Shard]

Awesome Image! LOLZ!


That is so great.

[Texrat]

Steven harper is the 3rd biggest dick in the world.

That's what Mrs. Harper said.

[Bodzilla]

just watched the episode of the chasers last night. it showed all the Apec security breaches.

it showed everything.
the police not only let them in... they stopped traffic and closed roads for them.

they only stopped heading further into the "red zone" because they never expected to get that far. they stopped themselves and showed themselves.
funniest shit ever. if yas can get a tv link to the episode or see it on youtube..... do it.

god bless australia

[n00b1n8R]

or you could go to their site :3

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/war/

[Pooky]

:words:

I don't think you understand that in their respective times, the world was a much smaller place. Travel was a good deal slower by horse than with gasoline powered vehicles, and flying was still in the realm of fantasy. They didn't have any radios or complex intelligence networks, so as often as not they were going in blind. Their accomplishment easily equals the feat of Hitlers.

I should also mention that there were no pussy countries like Poland back then, with no standing armies. War was a very real and every day thing for these people, and they most likely had fight their way through every square inch of conquered lands.

[Dole]

1. I don't think you understand that in their respective times, the world was a much smaller place.

2. Their accomplishment easily equals the feat of Hitlers.

3. I should also mention that there were no pussy countries like Poland back then, with no standing armies. War was a very real and every day thing for these people, and they most likely had fight their way through every square inch of conquered lands.
For fuck's sake, is there anyone on this whole damn forum who can quote me using something more imaginative than :words:? :fail:

1. Of course I understood that. If even little Greece was that much bigger back then, saying something along the lines of "most of Europe" would've been even more off-key on your part than I had made it out to be.
A continent is a big place, and even though Europe is the smallest on earth, even just mainland Europe (as in... not including Scandia, Russia, and Caucasia) is a far cry from taking the tip of the Balkans.

Considering how much they did seize at that point, though, there's no doubt in my mind that either the Macedonians or the Mongols could've went further. However, the issue at hand was not if they could take most of Europe, but if they did.

2. No objection here. They're regarded as some of the most brilliant military minds in history, and for good reason.

3. The Macedonians were a small force that fought through thousands of square miles of lands that were densely populated by people who were just as technologically advanced yet even more intimidating than they were.
On the other hand, the Mongols had significantly large divisions that were capitalizing on military tactics that functioned as seamlessly as the organization of their ubiquitously mounted troops, martial strategism that has not since been matched on such a scale until modern times. Also, half of their land aquisitions they merely had to claim as their own as they rode through them. In such cases, they only encountered populations after traversing vast stretches of land. Even then, they most likely conquered by intimidation, without required bloodshed. When they did cross into populous regions of Europe they were still intimidating, and still more militarily organized than the inhabitants, even in Austrohungaria. Likewise in China and the Middle East.

Even though they do warrant fantastic commendations for being able to coordinate among themselves so perfectly, they still conquered with relative ease, ease akin to Sun Tzu's "perfect victory."

[Pooky]

For fuck's sake, is there anyone on this whole damn forum who can quote me using something more imaginative than :words:?
It wasn't an insult, I respect your opinions on the matter. Rather, the post was just a bit too long to quote in its entirety. Waste of page space.

[rossmum]

Poland is hardly a 'pussy nation'. It used to be part of one of the largest countries in Eastern Europe, and it's been sandwiched between Germany and Russia for centuries. The fact it's still in existence is a testament to its people.

The Poles were constantly giving the Germans shit, right through their occupation...

[Pooky]

Poland is hardly a 'pussy nation'. It used to be part of one of the largest countries in Eastern Europe, and it's been sandwiched between Germany and Russia for centuries. The fact it's still in existence is a testament to its people.

The Poles were constantly giving the Germans shit, right through their occupation...

Don't blow what I said out of proportion... I was only talking about how quickly they fell.

[rossmum]

Fair enough.

Still, they did put up quite a fight for a country with a largely obsolete military. They basically turned Warsaw into a fortress city and fought the Germans with tooth and nail, the Poles are pretty vicious fighters (their fanatical hatred of both the Germans and the Russians and the resulting ferocity of combat between Free Polish and German units was well-documented by those who served alongside them).

You have to remember, most countries were expecting static trench warfare like WWI, if it came. Blitzkrieg was an entirely new concept, and formed the basis of modern military operations the world over.