Should I buy it?

[Haloking365]

Well, I was at a gun store today, just browsing around, and I discovered this (http://www.nrapublications.org/tar/CenturyGPWASR10.asp) on the shelf. Being the 17 year old game freak I am, I needed to hold it. Thats when i discovered there was a small price tag hanging off it. Expecting some rediculous price up in the thousands, I nearly dropped the damn thing when i saw it was only $374.95!

Not only do I have enough cash for that, but I also have a license for it as well. The only thinh stopping me is why would I buy it? Its not like I can take it outback and "play" with it. Although there is a shooting range not far from my house. I honestly dont know. I want it, but the practical uses are quite limited.

What do you guys think? :confused:

[Digikid]

I think that you are insane.....but it will be great for scaring off burglars. :D

[Zeph]

It's cheaper than a .22 to shoot.

[Haloking365]

I know that im insane..... I thought we already had that established? but anyway, I think im gonna get it...

[Digikid]

Ask yourself this: WHY?

WHY would you want one of these things?
WHY would you pay that much for it?
What would be its purpose?
Would it be used against you in any way shape or form?

[Shard]

^ To Kill someone.

[Mr Buckshot]

If you really like ARs, then go for it. Personally I'd prefer handguns if I actually owned real firearms, but up in Canada guns are forbidden unless you are a hunter (and yet we have shootings going on thanks to you Americans and your gun laws below, though fortunately the shootings are always targeted at other criminals).

It is a nice gun though, especially the bayonet. See if you can fix a scope as well.

[Flyboy]

For home defense you want a smaller weapon. An AK has a 7.62 round which offers quite a lot of stopping power, but if you need to carry it around corners, your not going to be able to react to a thread quickly.

Now if you don't care about size, and just want a big fucking bullet, may I suggest an old fashion BAR. Lets say that your in a gun fight, and you opponent is hiding behind a fridge, with the BAR you don't need to wait for him to peek his head out, rather, just shoot through the fridge.

But seeing as you just want it just because it's cool, then get it. Great deal.

[Cortexian]

All you could use it for legally is target shooting at ranges, or home defense. Now ask yourself if your going to pay for a range fee, or if it's just going to sit in your house until a burglar shows up.

[SnaFuBAR]

I'm a marksman myself, and i see total crap accuracy on this thing. Either that, or the shooter was really crap, but i'm sure it's the gun's fault. The ak's and their clones are manufactured with loose tollerances, so they're not much use for target plinking or similar.

I'd much prefer a bushmaster rifle over this for target shooting, especially since this clone costs about 1.75x more than an authentic AK. Big waste of cash.

[ExAm]

Ask yourself this: WHY?

WHY would you want one of these things?
WHY would you pay that much for it?
What would be its purpose?
Would it be used against you in any way shape or form?It's a collector's item, and shooting is a hobby, you hippie douchebag!

[Texrat]

the practical uses are quite limited

Key reason *I* wouldn't get it.

Makes more sense to buy a decent rifle, pistol or shotgun IMO. This thing couldn't be used in practical applications, and would just be sitting there waiting to be stolen and misused.

[rossmum]

No. You could pick up a genuine Avtomat Kalashnikova cheaper, as Snaf said, or you could pick up a bolt-action (much better for target shooting, hunting, etc, though not so much for home defence) instead.

[Patrickssj6]

Well, I was at a gun store today,
I just read the few first words in this topic and I already voted "Hell No". Then I read the rest of his post.

Some boomboom and Decoration is not worth 350$ to me. Sorry. :D

[Haloking365]

Well, i thank you all for your opinions, and im leaning towards getting it. I'd like to pick up shooting as a sport, and the fact that they have an AK for so cheap is almost too good to pass up. But you guys said you could get a genuine AK for cheaper. Can someone steer me in the right direction? Also, someone said that that gun's 1.75x the price of a genuine AK. So AK's are only $200? Something dosent sound right with that.

[Texrat]

I'd like to pick up shooting as a sport

I wouldn't call shooting that thing a sport.

There are a handful of doctors and lawyers who might disagree with me though. But they got busted in Texas for shooting livestock from an aircraft using semiautomatic and automatic weapons. Many years ago.

[NullZero]

I wouldn't call shooting that thing a sport.

There are a handful of doctors and lawyers who might disagree with me though. But they got busted in Texas for shooting livestock from an aircraft using semiautomatic and automatic weapons. Many years ago.

I think he meant on the shooting range?

[hobojoe]

If you have no shooting expreiance before. Or if all you want to do is target shooting. This is not the rifle you want. I suggest a smaller calaiber such as a .22 long shot. less kick but much cheaper ammo. Kimber, Mosberg and a few other companys. Make very nice ones And are worth it. They last a very long time.

But thats my input. If you like the look of an AK and the kick. Then have fun buddy.

[Texrat]

I think he meant on the shooting range?

Well, yeah, duh, but I still can't see sport in that. As another poster said, not much in the way of precision/accuracy. You'd wind up just chewing up the targets. Yeah, I'm sure that's fun for a while.

Gimme a 30.06 or .357 and move the target back (WAY back for the rifle). I'll show you a pretty pattern. ;)

[Haloking365]

Ok, after reading what seems like endless reviews, I'm leaning towards getting it. The negative things I've heard are:

1. Trigger Slap: Newer models claim not to have this, but if it occurs, you could either mill away a small part of the piece, or just buy an after market piece for like $14.99.
2. Cantered(turned) front Sight: Easily fixable with the removal of a pin, and manually turning the sight.
3. Tight-fitted Mag's: A byproduct of Century Arms' milling to accept double-stack mags, easily fixable with some minor filing.
4. Wood is unfinished, so you can apply your own finish.

Positive are as follows:
1. Excellent reliability.
2. Almost impossible to jam.
3. Wood is unfinished, so you can apply your own finish.
4. TON of after market parts and upgrades.

[Offspring]

I'm all for vintage guns. i say "fuck it" and buy it.

[rossmum]

Just get a real AK. This thing is another one of the millions of reproductions with minor 'improvements' (I use the term very loosely here) and a bigger price tag. If you get the real thing, you probably won't have to worry about any of that crap - you can take it out and take it to war straight from the vendor. That's why the AK is such a popular weapon - it's so damn simple and reliable.

[Haloking365]

And where would i go about getting a real AK? I just dont see anywhere that sells them. Links?

[rossmum]

I don't live in the US and they're illegal here, so I wouldn't have a clue. Ask Warsaw or Snaf or something.

[Haloking365]

Ok, warsaw says that the real deal is illegal over here (US) because of the yeltson-clinton treaty, and that the lookalikes are hard as hell to find. He sayd im best off getting this. So im going with it.

[Zeph]

I suggest a smaller calaiber such as a .22 long shot. less kick but much cheaper ammo.

No, precious metal prices in America are going up ridiculously high. Domestic ammunition prices are soaring. The 7.62x39s can be imported and only cost a fraction of what you'd have to pay for a .22 round here. My campus' adv marksmanship class picked up 60k .22 rounds for about 4 cents a shot. Our supplier has told us the current prices are going to cause the price to go up when they get more in. They'll be at least six cents a shot now. My uncle gets his AK-47's ammo imported for about 1.5 cents a shot. While it might go up within a month, it's still cheaper.

My cousin hunts with a 30-30. It's enough to decapitate a buck (think hollow point hitting the vertebrae and how heavy the head is) and I love it. It went from being about 75 cents a shot to 2 bucks a shot over the past year.

[Zeph]

Ok, warsaw says that the real deal is illegal over here (US) because of the yeltson-clinton treaty, and that the lookalikes are hard as hell to find. He sayd im best off getting this. So im going with it.

wait, what? The yelstin-clinton treaty covers quite a lot and I very well might be missing a small detail, but how does it make an AK illegal? I thought it mainly dealt with the demilitarization of nuclear and conventional missile weapons and such. I mean, my uncle has one and a US marshal buddy of his has even shot it.

[Cortexian]

My cousin hunts with a 30-30. It's enough to decapitate a buck (think hollow point hitting the vertebrae and how heavy the head is) and I love it. It went from being about 75 cents a shot to 2 bucks a shot over the past year.
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You hunt with hollow points? May I ask why? Oh wait, your American aren't you? :mysterysolved:. I use a 30-30 lever action (think wild west style) iron sight for hunting whitetails and Mule Deer when the forest is to thick to use one of our scoped rifles. When we have clear shots, we usually use a .270 or a .308 (.308 is the highest non-restricted caliber here I believe). Both use a Leupold VX-III 6.5-20x50mm Long Range scope (http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/vx-iii-riflescopes/vx-iii-6-5-20x50mm-long-range-target/).

[SnaFuBAR]

Well, i thank you all for your opinions, and im leaning towards getting it.
then you didn't take the opinions seriously and had your mind made up before you even posted the topic...:eyesroll:
I'd like to pick up shooting as a sport, so why are you looking at an AK clone? and the fact that they have an AK for so cheap no is almost too good to pass up. pass up this crap-pile. But you guys said you could get a genuine AK for cheaper. Can someone steer me in the right direction? they're so plentiful it's not even funny. Also, someone said that that gun's 1.75x the price of a genuine AK. So AK's are only $200? Something dosent sound right with that.no, the only thing that doesn't sound right is paying 2x as much for a FAKE AK. would you pay that much more for a kit car than the real thing?
truth in bold. the fact that you want to take up shooting as a sport with such an inaccurate weapon speaks volumes about your actual gun knowledge/familiarity/experience. Also, AK's aren't illegal in the entire US, only a few states. if you can buy a rifle at 17 with a high cap mag like that, i DOUBT an AK is illegal in that state.

[Agamemnon]

truth in bold. the fact that you want to take up shooting as a sport with such an inaccurate weapon speaks volumes about your actual gun knowledge/familiarity/experience. Also, AK's aren't illegal in the entire US, only a few states. if you can buy a rifle at 17 with a high cap mag like that, i DOUBT an AK is illegal in that state.
So what you're saying is is that he might be just trying to save face by buying a firearm and saying he's going to take up shooting as a "sport" when he might be buying it because he thinks it's cool and then asked us on the Internet to look cool? :awesome:

[SnaFuBAR]

possibly http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4808/dodgysi5.gif

[ExAm]

Also, it's no fake "AK clone". It's the real deal.


Once manufacturing difficulties had been overcome, a redesigned version designated the AKM (M for modernized or upgraded—in Russian: Автомат Калашникова Модернизированный) was introduced in 1959.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#_note-10) This new model used a stamped sheet metal receiver and featured a slanted muzzle brake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_brake) on the end of the barrel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_barrel) to compensate for muzzle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_%28firearm%29) rise under recoil. In addition, a hammer retarder was added to prevent the weapon from firing out of battery (without the bolt being fully closed), during rapid or automatic fire.

Not a piece of shit, either.

EDIT: Misrenemberinated. Disregard.

[SnaFuBAR]

Also, it's no fake "AK clone". It's the real deal.

OH? Apparently, you can't read.

"The Century Int’l Arms, Inc., GP WASR-10 is a semi-automatic-only rendition of the famous 7.62x39 mm AKM rifle configured with a fixed laminated stock and a laminated fore-end."

fake fake fake fake fake. If it's not Kalashnikov, it's a CLONE. You've not either shown it to be a good rifle for sport shooting, either, and you know it isn't.

[ExAm]

OH? Apparently, you can't read.

"The Century Int’l Arms, Inc., GP WASR-10 is a semi-automatic-only rendition of the famous 7.62x39 mm AKM rifle configured with a fixed laminated stock and a laminated fore-end."

fake fake fake fake fake. If it's not Kalashnikov, it's a CLONE. You've not either shown it to be a good rifle for sport shooting, either, and you know it isn't.*Commits seppuku in shame*

[Haloking365]

Ok, to be completely honest, I don't give a fuck what you guys think. Im not posting to "look cool". I asked here because there are some people who can give positive feedback from experience. I wanted to know, from experience, what this gun is like. I've been reading reviews and specs for the last few days. It looks like a solid-handling gun.

I came here to ask for respectable opinions. Not fucking n00bs who say "OmG!!111!1 its Laiek a Reel Ak!1!@!2 Buy its look cool!!2!1!!11". So if your one: Get. The. Fuck. Out. Good day.

Also, im pretty sure all imported Russian weapons were banned in the Yelstin-Clinton treaty, correct me if im wrong.

[SnaFuBAR]

*Commits seppuku in shame*

[/hug] oh man that was freaking hillarious. :lmao: we're still cool, buddeh. /hf

[SnaFuBAR]

Also, im pretty sure all imported Russian weapons were banned in the Yelstin-Clinton treaty, correct me if im wrong.
wrong.

[Haloking365]

Ok, thank you.

[rossmum]

Just get a Mosin-Nagant 91/30. Fuck, you could buy three for the same price in some places, you could not only hit the side of a barn but also hit it from over a hundred metres away (even out to a kilometre or more, which is much more than I can say for the AK), and it has a lot more power behind it. I'd rather have a 91/30 because as much as I love the AK (genuine ones, mind you), it's just more suitable for almost every application. It can be used to shoot targets competitively, hunt, plink stuff... the AK is good for mowing people down at close range. It's an assault rifle, that's the only purpose it was or ever will be intended for.

[SnaFuBAR]

haha, hey ross, they're gonna be on sale again here for 75 bucks each.

[rossmum]

Fuck you, find a way to legally send me one. :|

[ExAm]

If you're an american citizen, you can join the NRA and get a free Springfield :D

[rossmum]

Are you serious?

You BASTARDS.

[Bodzilla]

lmfao ross xD

[ExAm]

Are you serious?

You BASTARDS.:awesome:

[DrunkenSamus]

One of the few good things about living in the U.S.

[Agamemnon]

Yeah, they give you free guns to kill people with. Great stuff. :downs:

[Neuro Guro]

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[ExAm]

Yeah, they give you free guns to kill people hunt and compete with. Great stuff. :downs:Do you have to see the terrible side of everything?

[Patrickssj6]

Do you have to see the terrible side of everything?
The negative side of it overweights the positive one.Sadly but it's true.

Sure smoking brings people together...if they suffer from lung cancer after that and endanger all the people around them is another thing.

[SnaFuBAR]

o hey forget the notion that armed civilians save 2 million lives/year in the US. o ok. no, shut up.

[Patrickssj6]

In the US? Cool.

I wonder what happens in the rest of the world every year.

[SnaFuBAR]

last i remember, we were talking about the NRA handing out guns. what the hell does the rest of the world have to do with it? point null, pat.

[Haloking365]

o hey forget the notion that armed civilians save 2 million lives/year in the US. o ok. no, shut up.
Lol, i can see the headlines now: "Bank robbery thwarted by Klashnikov weilding civilian". :XD:

[Patrickssj6]

I don't know which discussion you joined then. I'm talking about negative effects of guns and how they overweight the positive ones and not whether NRA handing out guns has a positive effect for the society in the US;only for your reference.

I guess this is a 1-man-discussion then. Discussion closed.

[Texrat]

I know you didn't mean to, Haloking, but you just made the case for opponents of assault rifles. ;)

[Haloking365]

I know you didn't mean to, Haloking, but you just made the case for opponents of assault rifles. ;)
I obviously wouldnt carry this in my car or anything. I may seem like a goofball here, but believe me, im not stupid. And i believe fully in the 2nd amendment (for those of you who dont know, thats the right to bear arms).

[Agamemnon]

Do you have to see the terrible side of everything?
Yes. And I do the same for the things everyone commonly sees as the negative and finding the positive in it. It's called investigation. Instead of blatantly hearing about it on the news and having it "confirmed" to me, I'm still going to be skeptical about it and conduct my own personal research.