Guess teaching abstinence only isn't the smartest thing to do...

[Emmzee]

http://www.al.com/news/press-register/index.ssf?/base/news/1189934476174290.xml&coll=3



Last year in Mobile County, 4,629 new cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis were reported -- enough instances of the sexually transmitted diseases to account for one out of every 87 people, according to a Press-Register review of state and federal statistics.
That was about three times the rate in New York City and more than twice as high as Washington, D.C.GG Mobile County, Alabama.

[Phopojijo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/Phopojijo/irony.jpg

Ahhhh irony.

[Emmzee]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/Phopojijo/irony.jpg

Ahhhh irony.
Because that totally wasn't a Dr. Tran reference.

[TeeKup]

Wow what the hell.

Wear a damned condom for christs sake.

[DrunkenSamus]

Wow what the hell.

Wear a damned condom for christs sake.

Everyone knows that condoms interfere with hot, dry sex. Just ask Neuro or Korn.

[Texrat]

Wow what the hell.

Wear a damned condom for christs sake.

OMG NO they encourage teh sex!!!

[DrunkenSamus]

Sooner or later, they'll want to sex you too. And your rep will be higher than Shaq.

[n00b1n8R]

well technically abstinence is the best way to avoid getting preginent or getting STD's, but not teaching anything else?

:fail:

[p0lar_bear]

It's also the best way to blue-ball yourself. :downs:

[DaneO'Roo]

Everyone knows that condoms interfere with hot, dry sex. Just ask Neuro or Korn.

what the fuck is this dry sex?

[n00b1n8R]

christ, youve peaked his interests :rolleyes:

[Bodzilla]

lmfao. way to go Catholics. Condoms are the devil.... just ignore all that evidence that they can significantly prevent various disease's and all kinds of nasty shit.
it's the lords will.

[n00b1n8R]

yer, god likes an over populated world.

[rossmum]

Isn't the point behind that to stop people from having sex unless it's to procreate?

(Fucking stupid if you ask me, where did God say sex was bad?)

[Dr Nick]

Isn't the point behind that to stop people from having sex unless it's to procreate?

(Fucking stupid if you ask me, where did God say sex was bad?)A lot of people would say it's in the Bible, but if it is, I think it's in Genesis, which nobody really cares about.

[Texrat]

No, Genesis said "get your ass out there and fornicate." Must be another book that said "ok! you can stop now!"

[rossmum]

No, Genesis said "get your ass out there and fornicate." Must be another book that said "ok! you can stop now!"
Must've been 'lost in translation' as per the request of some high power inside the Catholic Church. Beyond me as to why.

[Agamemnon]

Must've been 'lost in translation' as per the request of some high power inside the Catholic Church. Beyond me as to why.
Clergy =/= religion.

[nooBBooze]

as long as it wasnt gay sex they should be cool about it.

unless someone got pregnant.

or had prenuptial sex.

or had prenuptial sex without the intention to make babys.

or masturbated.

or had dirty thoughts.

or had prenuptial dirty thoughts about a hawt women with wich you mentally cheated your non existent non-wife and masturbated with a condom on while watching Will and Grace.

wtf..and i can avoid burning in hell, how?

[rossmum]

Clergy =/= religion.
Of course, though in some cases, the dividing line seems to have faded.

[Funions]

Dry sex is when ones sexual organs are dry, I guess. Also, that's pretty gross; probably between family members :|

[p0lar_bear]

The church is supposed to be against premarital sex, not sex in general.

They'd rather you blue-ball yourself by saying you're not allowed to do it unless you're married, and jerking it is a sin as well.

God wants you to get prostate diseases. :rolleyes:

[Bad Waffle]

well actually back when the bible was written people were getting married at age 13-16, etc so yeah i think it needs to be changed a bit

[Funions]

Hello, wetdreams anyone???

[Emmzee]

The church is supposed to be against premarital sex, not sex in general.

They'd rather you blue-ball yourself by saying you're not allowed to do it unless you're married, and jerking it is a sin as well.

God wants you to get prostate diseases. :rolleyes:
Actually, I read some time ago that the Catholic church condones masturbation as a way to keep abstinent.

[Terry]

Where in the bible does it say that masturbation is a sin? o.O

[Funions]

You've been sinning alot havent you :pervert:

[Texrat]

Where in the bible does it say that masturbation is a sin? o.O

Where does it say it isn't? :XD:

[p0lar_bear]

Meh. The rules of Catholicism change daily, so yeah. :downs:

[Dole]

1. way to go Catholics. 2. Condoms are the devil.... 3. just ignore all that evidence that they can significantly prevent various disease's and all kinds of nasty shit.
1. ...what the hell are you talking about? Where in that entire article were Catholics mentioned once? Or are you just jumping at anything you can grab so that you can once again tell us that "CATHOLICS ISS TUPID HURR!"
Besides, the southeastern U.S. is totally famous for its dense Catholic population, right?

2. There is no need for them within the confines of dedicated partners.

3. ...what? Have you been taking hits on a crackpipe? I'm not kidding... have you? :raise:


1. The church is supposed to be against premarital sex, 2. not sex in general.

3. They'd rather you blue-ball yourself by saying you're not allowed to do it unless you're married, and jerking it is a sin as well.
1. It is.
2. The church has nothing against sex.
3. First off, I don't think you understand how or when blue balls sets in. Second, there is no reason for sex before a committed relationship. Third, judging by your picture, I couldn't see you as a capable lover-boy anyway.


The rules of Catholicism change daily, so yeah. :downs:
No, they don't. :-\


1. Isn't the point behind that to stop people from having sex unless it's to procreate?

(2. Fucking stupid if you ask me, where did God say sex was bad?)
1. It is.
2. He didn't. Where the hell is everyone pulling this shit from, and for what ends? So that they can feel better about having a quickie behind the corner deli with the sophomore slut at 10:45 PM twice a week?


Must be another book that said "ok! you can stop now!"
Exodus 20:14, Matthew 5:27-32


Must've been 'lost in translation' as per the request of some high power inside the Catholic Church. Beyond me as to why.
?

See response to Tex.

[Phopojijo]

what the fuck is this dry sex?Dry humping...

Sex with the clothes on...

AKA -- "Foreplay" -- AKA -- "No fun". o.o

[p0lar_bear]

First off, I don't think you understand how or when blue balls sets in.While I'm exaggerating and playing around with that word a bit, I do know what causes blue balls and when it happens, k.


Second, there is no reason for sex before a committed relationship.All the traditional marriage is is a huge fucking expense that leads to a piece of paper that says "till death do you part." If two people truly are in love with each other, do they really need to spend thousands of dollars for a piece of paper to prove it?


Third, judging by your picture, I couldn't see you as a capable lover-boy anyway.If you're talking about my avatar, I'm sure a one-frame excerpt form a webcomic I read says EVERYTHING about my personality.

If you mean my actual picture, sure, I'll admit that I'm not exactly beautiful, you got me there. But I am very capable of making friends with people and I certainly don't scare people away. Anyone who won't associate themselves with me because they think I'm ugly is better off anyway, because I'd rather not associate myself with some shallow bitch.

As cliché as it may sound, looks aren't everything, it's what's in my head that counts. I could easily care for a lady, and possibly a family, down the line. Believe it or not, there's more to relationships than fucking, and anyone looking for just that in a person can go fuck off.


No, they don't. :-\One of the reasons I don't worship anymore is because of how self-contradictory the "Good Book" is, and the people who preach it. My own grandmother, who was a devout Roman Catholic who forced the family to Mass every Sunday, lied straight the fuck out her ass about drinking and actually whipped me when I found a stash of nippers hidden in a pantry in her house, while I was getting something for dinner as a child.

[Bodzilla]

1. ...what the hell are you talking about? Where in that entire article were Catholics mentioned once? Or are you just jumping at anything you can grab so that you can once again tell us that "CATHOLICS ISS TUPID HURR!"
Besides, the southeastern U.S. is totally famous for its dense Catholic population, right?

2. There is no need for them within the confines of dedicated partners.

3. ...what? Have you been taking hits on a crackpipe? I'm not kidding... have you? :raise:
1. the catholic Church for as long as i have known them has always had a negative, dangerous and Stupid way of handling condoms and sex in general.
American people in general are religous and the dominant religion is christianity. so it's fairly reasonable to assume that the Church has had some insight into how the children are taught and what they learn in school.
i never said catholic people. catholics was a broad term i used to signify the church.

2. be reasonable.
how many people do u know that have only ever had relations with one partner?
i have a friend who has a mother that is a Heavily religous seventh day adventist.
one of the obligations is no sex before mariage..... and there not allowed to even live which other before there married.
as a result she's on husband #4 or 5 (i've lost count) because she's married people before realisaing everything about them.
it's a stupid, illogical and unreasonable way to approach sex this way.

3. nah i'm fresh out. wanna lend me some of yours?



3. First off, I don't think you understand how or when blue balls sets in. Second, there is no reason for sex before a committed relationship. Third, judging by your picture, I couldn't see you as a capable lover-boy anyway.

That is terrible uncalled for. -rep



2. He didn't. Where the hell is everyone pulling this shit from, and for what ends? So that they can feel better about having a quickie behind the corner deli with the sophomore slut at 10:45 PM twice a week?

i dont know about you but she makes me feel dame fine already ;)
also
FLAWED ASSUMPTIONS

[rossmum]

Guys, by Dole's definition of how the world should be, it's impossible to have sex outside of wedlock unless it's with the local whore twice a week behind the corner deli. Is anyone else wondering where the logic behind that statement is? :rolleyes:

[Bodzilla]

i miss the times when doles posts where awesome.

come back to the light Brotha And you Shall be Healed'ah.

[n00b1n8R]

do you have to be married by a minister only or can anybody legally qualified do it :3

[Aerowyn]

I deleted my comment because, well--Dole isn't worth getting pissed over. Sorry all!

[Texrat]

do you have to be married by a minister only or can anybody legally qualified do it :3

No.

And, yes.

[Neuro Guro]

-

[TeeKup]

While I'm exaggerating and playing around with that word a bit, I do know what causes blue balls and when it happens, k.

All the traditional marriage is is a huge fucking expense that leads to a piece of paper that says "till death do you part." If two people truly are in love with each other, do they really need to spend thousands of dollars for a piece of paper to prove it?

If you're talking about my avatar, I'm sure a one-frame excerpt form a webcomic I read says EVERYTHING about my personality.

If you mean my actual picture, sure, I'll admit that I'm not exactly beautiful, you got me there. But I am very capable of making friends with people and I certainly don't scare people away. Anyone who won't associate themselves with me because they think I'm ugly is better off anyway, because I'd rather not associate myself with some shallow bitch.

As cliché as it may sound, looks aren't everything, it's what's in my head that counts. I could easily care for a lady, and possibly a family, down the line. Believe it or not, there's more to relationships than fucking, and anyone looking for just that in a person can go fuck off.

One of the reasons I don't worship anymore is because of how self-contradictory the "Good Book" is, and the people who preach it. My own grandmother, who was a devout Roman Catholic who forced the family to Mass every Sunday, lied straight the fuck out her ass about drinking and actually whipped me when I found a stash of nippers hidden in a pantry in her house, while I was getting something for dinner as a child.

I fucking love you p0lar.

[jahrain]

there is no reason for sex before a committed relationship.Of course there is! You would want to make sure you know what your getting before you invest a life long commitment to it.

Also, as a reality check, getting married before sex will not make you immune to STDs. You are just as likely to get an STD from someone who has one whether regardless of what a federal document on your relationship says.

[Emmzee]

I deleted my comment because, well--Dole isn't worth getting pissed over. Sorry all!
Damn. I was going to rip you a new one too. I had this whole thing planned.

Thanks, Aerowyn.

[Lightning]

and jerking it is a sin as well.

Not according to our priest. "It's just like blowing your nose."

XD, I'm serious. He's awesome.

[Agamemnon]

Not according to our priest. "It's just like blowing your nose."

XD, I'm serious. He's awesome.
Priests are like psychologists. They all interpret their religion differently and will rarely agree on something together.

[Dole]

1. While I'm exaggerating and playing around with that word a bit, I do know what causes blue balls and when it happens, k.

2. All the traditional marriage is is a huge fucking expense that leads to a piece of paper that says "till death do you part." If two people truly are in love with each other, do they really need to spend thousands of dollars for a piece of paper to prove it?

3. If you're talking about my avatar, I'm sure a one-frame excerpt form a webcomic I read says EVERYTHING about my personality.

If you mean my actual picture, sure, I'll admit that I'm not exactly beautiful, you got me there. But I am very capable of making friends with people and I certainly don't scare people away. 4. Anyone who won't associate themselves with me because they think I'm ugly is better off anyway, because I'd rather not associate myself with some shallow bitch.

5. As cliché as it may sound, looks aren't everything, it's what's in my head that counts. I could easily care for a lady, and possibly a family, down the line. Believe it or not, 6. there's more to relationships than fucking, and anyone looking for just that in a person can go fuck off.

One of the reasons I don't worship anymore is because of how self-contradictory the "Good Book" is, 7. and the people who preach it. My own grandmother, who was a devout Roman Catholic who forced the family to Mass every Sunday, lied straight the fuck out her ass about drinking and actually whipped me when I found a stash of nippers hidden in a pantry in her house, while I was getting something for dinner as a child.
1. Blue balls can only set in after the body has undergone a prolonged period of abnormally heigh sexual activity. Just going through puberty isn't enough to get the gears rolling, you have to instigate that on your own.

2. Marriage licenses are... between $5 and $50. The extravagant and extraneous ceremonies are where the money gets blown, and that's only because the bride and groom feel obligated to lavish each other or be lavished, or simply to flaunt to everyone they invited. I've been to enough to understand the motives and emotions.

3. What would've made you think I'm talking about that?

4. Of course you don't want a shallow bitch, neither do I. However, you do want someone who has standards, and won't subvert or suspend their own principles. That's why I choose to keep out of the rat race myself, until I can find someone with ethics.
Also, you shouldn't allow yourself to engage yourself on or with another person in a relationship of a sexual level until you yourself are worthy to yourself in body and maturity to get involved and handle it responsibly. The idea of beauty is not unnatural, nor is it unimportant, and by no means should it be shunned. (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=1257900&postcount=62)

5. They aren't everything. But they are something. See above link.

6. More or less, that's the gist of what I've been saying.

7. That's easy to say for someone who has abandoned such commitments that they were bound to adhere to, and were plagued to maintain. Of course she's going to do what she can to make sure that you don't stray as she does. She's your grandmother, not the cranky old woman down the block who wants six year olds sent to foster homes for falling on her flower garden. You were a kid and she was using (I hate this term) tough love to get a message across, the same concept as "young children have to learn that the stovetop hurts by actually touching the grill," except in this case the discipline had to be expedient; you cannot delay for twelve years so that the child ends up learning through firsthand experience, because at that point any punishment would've been too late to have made a necesary difference as a preventative measure.


1. the catholic Church for as long as i have known them has always had a negative, dangerous and Stupid way of handling condoms and sex in general.
2. American people in general are religous and the dominant religion is christianity. 3. so it's fairly reasonable to assume that the Church has had some insight into how the children are taught and what they learn in school.
4. i never said catholic people. 5. catholics was a broad term i used to signify the church.

6. be reasonable.
how many people do u know that have only ever had relations with one partner?

7. it's a stupid, illogical and unreasonable way to approach sex this way.

8. That is terrible uncalled for. -rep

9. FLAWED ASSUMPTIONS
1. The Catholic church does not hold sex in negative esteem, no matter how much you'd love to preach that. Nor does it have "a dangerous and stupid way of handling condoms."

2. In general they most certainly are not. One need look no farther than the popular culture that broods in American society influence has been encroaching onto almost every corner of the globe. If Americans truly were standing on the petrus pietae, that culture never would have generated the audience [and in turn, the revenue] necessary for its survival.
Americans for the most part are irreverent and a good many are openly sacriligious. Many are officially atheist. Many more have a religion only in designation (of these, some will describe themselves as agnostic, while the majority will just snub off the possiblity of divine existence entirely). Most of the few who remain will say that they believe in their god, but even so will never advance their worship past nominalism. All of this, so that they may be free to take part in the afforementioned cultural movement and live by its [lack of] principles.

3. Churches have no influence in public education (see: separation of Church & State).

4. "way to go Catholics"

5. Whose church? Divested sectarian protestant churches? They revoked the authority of the Catholic hierarchy a millenium ago, specifically so they could escape the obligations of its laws.

6. None. Like I said, a pious American is an outstanding rarity.

7. Oh really? Then why is it that the irritatingly stupid, illogical, and unreasonable people who lack the capacity for self-restraint are the people who are so quick to try and discredit abstinence? No, holding out on screwing your girlfriend for four months is not a herculean feat of "self-restraint" that requires you to "treat yourself to a little reward for holding out" or "let off some steam." Like little children, they got a taste of something, and they want more. It is they who have refused to refine their maturity. On occasion, they may be smart people with steady careers, but when it comes to sex all of those years of personal enrichment, all of those experiences that got them where they are are tossed right out the window for the time being, and they are no more adult than a horny thirteen year old.

It is the stupid, the illogical, and the unreasonable who have run themselves into a corner but to downplay and condemn the ability to exhibit composure because they either "are kids who have found their true love and it doesn't matter what anyone says so they'll 'stand against the whole wide world' to express their feelings" or "they are ripening themselves for their future lover" or one of the other five or so excuses they'll spit at you all in the pursuit of justifying their mere compulsion to quell a lusty urge.

In case you haven't yet caught on, you guys aren't the only people who I interact with about this. There is absolutely nothing that you can tell me that I have not heard. There is no reveille you can try and bring to me that I have not already conceived and considered of my own thought. You are above no illusions, you are only subservient to your own infatuations. If for some reason you seem to be convinced that religious institutions weave conspiracies and somehow contrive a final yet portentous gain from "imposing their lies on people who don't know any better" behind the facade of encouraging hygiene, then you are sadly mistaken.

8. "Truth should govern the whole affair of libel."

9. How so? Because "they're your best friend and you only do it on special occasions"? Good for you, I hope you're proud of yourself.


Guys, by Dole's definition of how the world should be, it's impossible to have sex outside of wedlock unless it's with the local whore twice a week behind the corner deli. Is anyone else wondering where the logic behind that statement is? :rolleyes:
Well golly, isn't that clever. All inquiries refer above.


I deleted my comment because, well--Dole isn't worth getting pissed over. Sorry all!
I knew you weren't to be trusted.


1. You would want to make sure you know what your getting before you invest a life long commitment to it.

2. Also, as a reality check, getting married before sex will not make you immune to STDs. 3. You are just as likely to get an STD from someone who has one whether regardless of what a federal document on your relationship says.
1. Excuse me? Are you really that shallow?
2. Well not if you're cheating, anyway.
3. Nooo... you most definitely are not. Unless one of you contracted a sexually transmitted disease prior to the marriage, in which case the condition of "premarital" sex would no longer apply.

[rossmum]

That's why I choose to keep out of the rat race myself, until I can find someone with ethics.
I find the irony overwhelming, given your recent posts.

[p0lar_bear]

Marriage licenses are... between $5 and $50.While I was focused more on the ceremony, case-in-point: you have to purchase something that says "I love you for ever and ever." Marriage is just a piece of paper, which, if you ask me, is optional. Best example: look at Gene Simmons.


The idea of beauty is not unnatural, nor is it unimportant, and by no means should it be shunned. (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=1257900&postcount=62)Looks can help a relationship, yes. I'm not denying the whole concept of beauty; if I need to look good, I will.


That's easy to say for someone who has abandoned such commitments that they were bound to adhere to, and were plagued to maintain.Perhaps I wasn't puttiong across the right impression here; I didn't mind going to Sunday Mass at all. Sure, as a child I found it boring, but I certainly didn't dread it. I was getting the point across that she woke everyone up early on Sundays to make sure we got to Church, even if everyones' pants weren't quite on yet.


Of course she's going to do what she can to make sure that you don't stray as she does. She's your grandmother, not the cranky old woman down the block who wants six year olds sent to foster homes for falling on her flower garden. You were a kid and she was using (I hate this term) tough love to get a message across...You completely missed the point. She had a drinking problem. Everyone in the family, besides me (at the time), knew about this. She denied it anytime someone said something. When I found her hidden stash of consumed nippers, she flew off the handle at me and gave me a spanking, because I had found her secret by accident. No tough love to be found there; just some drunk pissed off that someone found evidence against what she'd been saying about not drinking.

[Bodzilla]

1. The Catholic church does not hold sex in negative esteem, no matter how much you'd love to preach that. Nor does it have "a dangerous and stupid way of handling condoms."

2. :hur:

3. Churches have no influence in public education (see: separation of Church & State).

4. "way to go Catholics"

5. Whose church? Divested sectarian protestant churches? They revoked the authority of the Catholic hierarchy a millenium ago, specifically so they could escape the obligations of its laws.

6. None. Like I said, a pious American is an outstanding rarity.

7. Oh really? Then why is it that the irritatingly stupid, illogical, and unreasonable people who lack the capacity for self-restraint are the people who are so quick to try and discredit abstinence? No, holding out on screwing your girlfriend for four months is not a herculean feat of "self-restraint" that requires you to "treat yourself to a little reward for holding out" or "let off some steam." Like little children, they got a taste of something, and they want more. It is they who have refused to refine their maturity. On occasion, they may be smart people with steady careers, but when it comes to sex all of those years of personal enrichment, all of those experiences that got them where they are are tossed right out the window for the time being, and they are no more adult than a horny thirteen year old.

It is the stupid, the illogical, and the unreasonable who have run themselves into a corner but to downplay and condemn the ability to exhibit composure because they either "are kids who have found their true love and it doesn't matter what anyone says so they'll 'stand against the whole wide world' to express their feelings" or "they are ripening themselves for their future lover" or one of the other five or so excuses they'll spit at you all in the pursuit of justifying their mere compulsion to quell a lusty urge.

In case you haven't yet caught on, you guys aren't the only people who I interact with about this. There is absolutely nothing that you can tell me that I have not heard. There is no reveille you can try and bring to me that I have not already conceived and considered of my own thought. You are above no illusions, you are only subservient to your own infatuations. If for some reason you seem to be convinced that religious institutions weave conspiracies and somehow contrive a final yet portentous gain from "imposing their lies on people who don't know any better" behind the facade of encouraging hygiene, then you are sadly mistaken.

8. "Truth should govern the whole affair of libel."

9. How so? Because "they're your best friend and you only do it on special occasions"? Good for you, I hope you're proud of yourself.

1.they hold sex before maraige in "negative esteem".

also
http://www.nomad4ever.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/Vatican_Condoms.gif

2. "place your hand on the bible please. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"
dont tell me the church has no influence on how things are run in america.

3. The church does have an influence in education and dont tell me otherwise.


HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON’T SAY — Orders to Cater to Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology.

“In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.’”

Bush administration: The Grand Canyon was created by Noah's Flood (http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801)
yeah i believe u Dole :rolleyes:

4. i Already explained my self. stop beating a half decayed horse.

5. Now isnt it obvious that i was referring to "the church" and saying Catholics that i would be implying that it's the catholic chuch?

A+ paying attention to the subject at hand Dole.
[/sarcasm]

6. Thats because there old enough to make there own choices.

7. Why should we wait? what does it prove? why do we need to prove anything to anybody?
Whats the point?
How does holding out make u a mature person?
and how does not holding out make u a child?

your argument is like the fucking chewbacca defense.
It Does Not Make Sense.

What you dont get Dole is that it doesnt matter how many people you talk to or how many times you've "heard anything we could possible say" (power phraseing) because your argument in this is about as useful as a submarine with a screen door.

8. Personally i believe that someone like polar bear would have a significantly higher chance of finding "a true love" just because he isnt an arragant ass that see's himself as above the majority. Pull ya fucking head in and come back to the real world dole.

9. http://hiv.h2vista.net/forums/images/smilies/th_JokeOver.gif

[Dal]

You know, it'd be laughably easier to strike down Dole and his strawmen, but this is requires less work and is definitely much more entertaining.

[jahrain]

1. Excuse me? Are you really that shallow?
2. Well not if you're cheating, anyway.
3. Nooo... you most definitely are not. Unless one of you contracted a sexually transmitted disease prior to the marriage, in which case the condition of "premarital" sex would no longer apply.

1) No, its just have common sense. Sex problems is one of the top cause of divorce and cheating in marriages. Its only logical to make sure thats not going to be a problem if one is going to make a serious commitment to a relationship.

2) No, you don't have to be cheating to find out that the person you married has HIV and kept it a secret from you until marriage.

3) Ok to prove your point, go get married to someone who has HIV. Have unprotected sex with them after the marriage, and if you get aids, you will have been proven wrong.

Marriage or not, the best solution is to use a condom (or 2 or 3 if its with someone your not too sure of) or don't have any sex at all, maybe after your in a committed relationship with someone, things might change. But its the kind of garbage that you try to promote (which is really none of your business what so ever) that ends up making things worse for everyone.

[rossmum]

Yeah guys, you should all totally follow some random's own set of 'morals'. What the fuck do you all think you are, individuals? http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-jerkbag.gif

[Tweek]

yes!

i am individuals!


also: dole fail, polar win.

[Skiiran]

Teens and young adults will stick their dicks or tits places if they want to, and there's not much we can do about it. All this argument about 'ethics' means absolutely jack shit if no one cares.

Now, SINCE no one cares, there's no point in arguing whose very large, business-or-robe-suited man is better, now is there?

[Emmzee]

:words:
You're still wrong. Give up while you're behind.

[Lightning]

Originally Posted by Aerowyn http://www.h2vista.net/forums/h2vista_v2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?p=162265#post162265)
I deleted my comment because, well--Dole isn't worth getting pissed over. Sorry all!
I knew you weren't to be trusted.


Excuse me, but what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[rossmum]

It means Dole thinks everyone should agree with his warped views on what's right and wrong.

[Dole]

I find the irony overwhelming, given your recent posts.My recent posts discuss ethics, are presented in an unobjectional manner, and are frequently rebuked by campy, outright scorn. Ironic, eh?


1. you have to purchase something that says "I love you for ever and ever." 2. Marriage is just a piece of paper, which, if you ask me, is optional.

Looks can help a relationship, yes. I'm not denying the whole concept of beauty; 3. if I need to look good, I will.

4. You completely missed the point. She had a drinking problem. Everyone in the family, besides me (at the time), knew about this. She denied it anytime someone said something. When I found her hidden stash of consumed nippers, she flew off the handle at me and gave me a spanking, because I had found her secret by accident. No tough love to be found there; just some drunk pissed off that someone found evidence against what she'd been saying about not drinking.
1. You speak as if you were buying a prostitute or a maidservant. No, you pay for the license because the state has to have a document that has you filed in a marriage so that you would be entitled to marriage benefits, and so that the state knows that you are in fact married; it's a part of census. As for the fact that you pay for it... well, someone's got to record it, stamp it, and organize it, and they've got to make a living somehow. ;)

2. Marriage is not "just a piece of paper." The paper is merely a legal document that accounts for what I already mentioned. Marriage in itself is a consummate relationship instituted in the mutual love of a man and a woman, but the formal status is officially invested by either the church or the state (even thought it will invariably come to the responsibility of the state).

3. You will, and I'd recommend the sooner you take a hands-on approach to improve your physical self, the better. It is good for your health, its effects are better felt sooner than later, and you will be able to think higher of yourself and your relation to the world and your comtemporaries. Trust me.

No matter how some outsider comes in and decides to perceive my tense, you will eventually find my intent to be benevolent. Maybe not soon, but if you follow through with it, eventually.

4. In that case, it seems she was trying to acknowledge and atone for her problem through religious ardor and ecouraging the sentiment and the habit in her progeny: she obviously felt guilty for something, and she was not thoroughly heartless.


1.they hold sex before maraige in "negative esteem".

also,
*pic*

2. "place your hand on the bible please. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"
dont tell me the church has no influence on how things are run in america.

3. The church does have an influence in education and dont tell me otherwise.
yeah i believe u Dole :rolleyes:

4. i Already explained my self. stop beating a half decayed horse.

5. Now isnt it obvious that i was referring to "the church" and saying Catholics that i would be implying that it's the catholic chuch?

A+ paying attention to the subject at hand Dole.
[/sarcasm]

6. Thats because there old enough to make there own choices.

7. Why should we wait? what does it prove? why do we need to prove anything to anybody?
Whats the point?
How does holding out make u a mature person?
and how does not holding out make u a child?

8. Personally i believe that someone like polar bear would have a significantly higher chance of finding "a true love" just because he isnt an arragant ass that see's himself as above the majority.
1. Key phrase: "before marriage." :downsgun:
The Catholic church does not regard sex as evil, and by their doctrines it would be folly to do so.

:rolleyes: at the "I CAN USE ANONYMOUS, HYPERBOLICALLY BIASED POLITICAL CARTOONS TO PROVE MY POINT." How could you expect the same institution that exorts that sex is a strictly postmarital practice to simultaneously go ahead and advocate the use of an item purposed for situational fornication between two unattached libertines? You people fling enough unbased accusations of hypocrisy at them, and yet you would expect them to actually go through with something like that?

2. That is a remnant from a time when Americans did have a sense of piety (or at least wanted to polarize themselves as a nation from Communism by putting some half-hearted emphasis on the Freedom of Worship). Now it is merely a formality.

The American government (and generally the American public, as well) is for the most part composed of WASPs who have no ties or commitments to the Catholic church whatsoever. Do you have any idea how much Kennedy had to work to convince the population and the government that his allegiances were with the Presidency and not the Pope, and how well he had to maintain this image in the public eye and the regard of his colleagues for as long as he was the president? Nevermind how little priority the Protestant men who preceded and followed him had to the Catholic church.

3. Inherit the Wind is not fictional. What happened seventy or so years ago has snowballed tremendously, not burned out.

4. I already explained why you were wrong. You didn't read it, and that is proven in your next line:

5. Yes it is obvious that you were referring to the Catholic church. Which is why I already specified that the southeastern U.S. is not populated by Catholics. When I asked if you were talking about the "divested sectarian protestant churches" I was quite obviously being sardonic.
Taking into consideration the fact that you're recanting its identity as the *Catholic* church one minute, and then confirming it the next, I'd say you're hedging this.

A+ for being attentive, Bodie.[/sarcasm]

6. Obviously not. Somewhere along the line, parenting took a nosedive and as such, the children were not yet adequately prepared to participate independently in society, and they went on to raise children the same way.

7. Because they aren't ready to handle children or each other.
It proves you are the master of your domain (another Seinfeld reference).
Because in this world you need to prove yourself to your own conscience and the discretion of others to earn your keep.
It gives you time to become a mentally and physically mature adult, and cease to be a gawky, rowdy, half-developed kid or impetuous and titular "adult".
Because it shows you have the good sense to know when you are worthy of it and when you will be ready to manage the consequences.
Because it means you lack the afforementioned good sense, and you are subject to your own desires and not your better judgment.

8. Polar only has a higher chance of ending up settling for someone who is not his ideal match. Also, I do not view myself as enriched and refined; I view the majority as unkempt.


You know, it'd be laughably easier to strike down Dole and his strawmen
Of course it's easy to try and tear at the concept of a disciplined society when you know there are throngs of rabid, perturbed, sex-starved teenagers just voraciously waiting at the sidelines to run in and start tag-teaming for you at the push of a button. But really didn't need them, do you?

Between you and me, I have strawmen. That's priceless. :lmao:


1) No, its just have common sense. Sex problems is one of the top cause of divorce and cheating in marriages. Its only logical to make sure thats not going to be a problem if one is going to make a serious commitment to a relationship.

2) No, you don't have to be cheating to find out that the person you married has HIV and kept it a secret from you until marriage.

3) Ok to prove your point, go get married to someone who has HIV. Have unprotected sex with them after the marriage, and if you get aids, you will have been proven wrong.

Marriage or not, the best solution is to use a condom (or 2 or 3 if its with someone your not too sure of) or don't have any sex at all, 4. maybe after your in a committed relationship with someone, things might change. But its 5. the kind of garbage that you try to promote (which is really none of your business what so ever) that ends up making things worse for everyone.
1. Human beings are not dildos, Jahrain. They do not need to be discarded or replaced to become more pleasurable sexually. A novice is not a novice forever if he accumulates experience, and theoretically both spouses will be novices from the start and will grow on each other at the same rate. It is the imbalance in experience prior to the marriage that would have caused them to fall apart, and thus we have come full circle right back to the topic at hand and you haven't proven a thing. Besides... a strictly physical and hedon relationship founded in lust is no reason to start [or end] a marriage. If there actually is a love, they will not dissolve their union over that.
2. First, there is no reason for them to have contracted HIV if they were chaste. Second, if you haven't found out until after you married, the engagement was slapdash and the marriage was invariably bound to be pockmarked with delinquencies and prone to shattering.
3. How exactly did they get HIV in the first place? Whoops, looks like the answer is "sex before marriage!" Either that or it'll be from shooting narcotics (which is no more acceptable than the former) with a shared syringe.
Nonetheless, you have already been proven wrong.
4. There is no reason for sexual activity until a committed and formal relationship.
5. I'm promoting sex strictly after and within a marriage. I'm promoting garbage? Is that a joke?


Yeah guys, you should all totally follow 1. some random's own set of 2. 'morals'. What the fuck do you all think you are, 3. individuals? http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-jerkbag.gif
1. An established member well-known for discretion is a random who must be disregarded at all costs because he is the only person who is thinking sensibly and is suggesting conduct that threatens the security of your childish kicks, but if someone decided to jump into the circle-jerking to post two sentences of "biting wit", they'd immediately get a pat on the back from everyone on the bandwagon, right?

Well either way, it is not an etiquette exclusive to poor little alienated me. It is a paragon of civil relations appreciated by anyone who is prepared to acknowledge the compromise necessary for harmonious living.

2. So what I propose is "morals", but what is being condoned here is reasonable and proper?

3. Individiuality is no more of an excuse here than it would be to commit zoophilia. You are all humans, and are all bound by your ability to discern right and wrong. Don't try to delude me, but more importantly, don't intentionally delude yourself.


also: dole fail, polar win.
How? Where? When? ...what?


Teens and young adults will stick their dicks or tits places if they want to, and there's not much we can do about it.
Of course there is. It's called raising your children.


You're still wrong. Give up while you're behind.
How am I wrong? And why would I give up? I've already hit rock-bottom, so there's nowhere to go but up.


It means Dole thinks everyone should agree with his warped views on what's right and wrong.
No, it means this. (http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=aerowyn)

Now: advocating rampant hedonism is healthy for harmonious society... and my views are warped? What is this, opposite month?

[Bad Waffle]

Jesus fucking christ, dole. Way to be an asswipe. Do you think you have something to prove, by bulletin pointing and numbering out your long winded diatribes against anybody who has an opposite opinion? havent you ever heard of TOLERANCE? Most people have it along with common sense, and it allows them to live life pleasantly without arguing with and subsequently losing every friend they have. Of course, if you're one of those barnacles who has OTHER friends like you, who have no other friends and only have the option to stick to one another--than yeah, i can see why you're still like this after 16 or so years of your life.

Have you ever been in a relationship lasting longer than 3 months? 2 months, even? I'm asking this as a rhetorical question, because you obviously are too numb-nuts to tolerate women (COUGH AEROWYN), who are obviously below you. Fuck off. What kind of dickweed are you, making fights with all the forumers, commencing personal attacks? Do you have no other way to vent your anger, so you choose to take it out on people? Go outside and run, work off those hormones controlling your thoughts. Play a game, do something relaxing, call a friend if you have any. This is not the place to release your damn anger, this is a DISCUSSION BOARD. Get a shrink for all i care.

If i was a mod, i would warn half of these damned posts for trolling and flaming. You would be banned right now if it werent for EVERY MOD BEING ABSENT DUE TO WORK.

Oh, and by the way: nobody is going to waste their time reading that long assed retaliation--maybe ross, because thats how he gets his kicks, but seriously, i'm guessing nobody really cares if you're an ass anymore. You've proven that you are one, through and through. Good job, you win the internets. Now fuck off and go get some friends. Or maybe say 'i love you' to your mum. Whatever.

[Rob Oplawar]

Most people have it along with common sense, and it allows them to live life pleasantly without arguing with and subsequently losing every friend they have.

I love how people retaliate to stupidity/flaming/arguing with more of the same. /Irony, WoL.

Also, your avatar is giving me a seizure.

[Bodzilla]

2. First, there is no reason for them to have contracted HIV if they were chaste.

3. How exactly did they get HIV in the first place? Whoops, looks like the answer is "sex before marriage!" Either that or it'll be from shooting narcotics (which is no more acceptable than the former) with a shared syringe.

LMFAO.
how bout contracted it at birth :downs:

you have no idea what your talking about dole. just... walk away whistling and try and salvage some of your composure.
this is one of those topics u feel so incredibly strong about yet Lack alot of the important details... or have been told otherwise.

just let it go.

[rossmum]

GUYS RUSSIANS ARE SCUM AND NEED TO DIE ALSO GAYS OK GOOD http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-hitler.gif

Sorry Dole, what was that exactly?

It's a shame you turned out to be such a bigot. You used to be a cool guy before you decided to vomit anti-everything shit all over the forums.

e:

In addition to Zilla's post: Or they could, you know, get another's blood in an open wound. Then again, I'm sure working in the field of medicine or nursing or simply looking out for injured people while waiting for the former to arrive on-scene is just as unacceptable as being gay/Russian/insert over-victimised group here, right?

[legionaire45]

Don't you know Ross? Only gay people and chimpanzees make HIV. THEREFORE YOUR ENTIRE POST IS WRONG, YOU ARE WRONG, YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER AND MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME IS WRONG AND YOUR ENTIRE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT IS COMPLETELY FALSE. VOID! YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR.
<3 <3 <3

:v

[rossmum]

oh no not my mother's maiden name :smith:

[n00b1n8R]

Australian's don't have "social security numbers" http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-downsowned.gif

also I noticed that dole said "between a man and a woman" :3

[legionaire45]

Australian's don't have "social security numbers" http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-downsowned.gif

also I noticed that dole said "between a man and a woman" :3
That was actually intentional :smithicide:.

I found a nice image that aptly describes the current situation:
http://www.fukung.net/images/6295/internetdickwad.jpg
Now I go to sleep since it's 2 AM D=/.

[n00b1n8R]

I've been looking for that pic :awesome:
also oh :suicide:

[rossmum]

I found a nice image that aptly describes the current situation:

[pic]
'Normal person'? Hell no. 'Normal' people don't hold such extreme views on anything and everything that differs from what they're used to.

[n00b1n8R]

You must have missed the last part of the pic ross.

[Archon23]

You sure this applies to Dole? He seems to be a Total Dickwad all around now :downs:

Specially with those views of his.

[n00b1n8R]

Have you seen him off the internet?

sad thing is he used to be awesome.

[jahrain]

1. Human beings are not dildos, Jahrain. They do not need to be discarded or replaced to become more pleasurable sexually. A novice is not a novice forever if he accumulates experience, and theoretically both spouses will be novices from the start and will grow on each other at the same rate. It is the imbalance in experience prior to the marriage that would have caused them to fall apart, and thus we have come full circle right back to the topic at hand and you haven't proven a thing. Besides... a strictly physical and hedon relationship founded in lust is no reason to start [or end] a marriage. If there actually is a love, they will not dissolve their union over that.
Well i many cases, as you have proven your self, some humans are just dicks.

If you actually sat down and thought logically and critically of what ever this BS ideology is your trying to pass, you will realize how your fantasy world of what relationships are and should be is full of irony. In reality, (no not your ideal perfect fantasy world you refer to where everyone is what you say they should be) if no one was able to have sex before they got married guess what! People would be getting married just to have sex! Oh what a perfect society that would be.



2. First, there is no reason for them to have contracted HIV if they were chaste.

...

3. How exactly did they get HIV in the first place? Whoops, looks like the answer is "sex before marriage!"
Well that shot your credibility of knowledge on this subject through the window.

The four major routes of transmission are unprotected sexual intercourse, contaminated needles, and transmission from an infected mother to her baby at birth, or through breast milk. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV)
If you had contracted HIV from your mother would I laugh so hard at the irony. What would you do if that happened to you? Strap a bomb to yourself and blow up a teen clinic that gives out condoms and birth control pills? You sure sound like the kind of extremist who would.

The fact is, it highly possible for someone to contract HIV, and still be a virgin. Like I said before, marriage will not cure you of your HIV. If you take every one of your arguments about premarital sex being the cause of STDs and replace it with unprotected sex, you would have an argument that would make some bit of sense.




4. There is no reason for sexual activity until a committed and formal relationship.
Your using Circular logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question) :downs:


5. I'm promoting sex strictly after and within a marriage. I'm promoting garbage? Is that a joke?
Your promoting that premarital sex, as apposed to unprotected sex is the cause of STDs which garbage. Also, promoting that marriage should be the only condition for sex is a joke just by implication of human nature and you have no facts or logical arguments to support it. Reread the first part of this post if you don't understand. In fact reread this whole post over and over and over until some bit of logic and reason penetrates your thick absentminded head.

[Emmzee]

Dole, you are the stupidest human being on earth.

[Bad Waffle]

emmzee, lock this topic.

[Emmzee]

emmzee, lock this topic.
And miss out on all this sparkling conversation?

[Bodzilla]

i'm with WOL on this one.

[rossmum]

Thread is fine, it's Dole who needs to be sorted out.

[Dole]

I need no conditioning.


1. Do you think you have something to prove, by bulletin pointing and numbering out your 2. long winded diatribes against anybody who has an opposite opinion? 3. havent you ever heard of TOLERANCE? Most people have it along with common sense, and it allows them to live life pleasantly without arguing with and subsequently losing every friend they have. 4. Of course, if you're one of those barnacles who has OTHER friends like you, who have no other friends and only have the option to stick to one another--than yeah, i can see why you're still like this after 16 or so years of your life.

Have you ever been in a relationship lasting longer than 3 months? 2 months, even? 5. I'm asking this as a rhetorical question, because you obviously are too numb-nuts to tolerate women (COUGH AEROWYN), who are obviously below you. Fuck off. 6. What kind of dickweed are you, making fights with all the forumers, commencing personal attacks? 7. Do you have no other way to vent your anger, so you choose to take it out on people? 8. Go outside and run, work off those hormones controlling your thoughts. Play a game, do something relaxing, call a friend if you have any. This is not the place to release your damn anger, 9. this is a DISCUSSION BOARD. Get a shrink for all i care.

10. If i was a mod, i would warn half of these damned posts for trolling and flaming. You would be banned right now if it werent for EVERY MOD BEING ABSENT DUE TO WORK.

Oh, and by the way: 11. nobody is going to waste their time reading that long assed retaliation--maybe ross, because thats how he gets his kicks, but seriously, 12. i'm guessing nobody really cares if you're an ass anymore. You've proven that you are one, through and through. Good job, you win the internets. Now fuck off and go get some friends. Or maybe say 'i love you' to your mum. Whatever.
1. Quite obviously?
2. I'm only condensing many responses into a single post and making sure I don't leave anyone unacknowledged, lest something like this (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showpost.php?p=158205&postcount=83) happen again.
3. You don't understand what tolerance is and when it applies. You view it simply as an completely unconditional live-and-let-live sentiment to nullify the effects of social darwinsim, and you wish it to be distributed pro gratiae by those who have merited their resilience, all because those are the people who can slowly inch toward your own subcutaneous insecurities.
4. Tell me, barnacle-- who are your friends?
5. That is no rhetorical question. That is apprehension speaking through unconscious sanctimony.

As it is not a rhetorical question, so shall it be answered: the Aerowyn business was noticeably a few weeks of friendly banter that settled as quickly and smoothly as it began. Besides, are you going to condemn Emmzee for continuing to do the same thing?

Also, why would you base your judgment on interaction with one female? Conclusive judgments are based on thorough analysis, and thorough analysis is achieved through averaging the consistency of repeating measures contrasting a control against a variable.
6. That is a brash maneuver on the part of one of the people who actually seems to be trying to instigate animosity here.
7. What anger have I vented? Who was the butt of any such anger? Upon whom have I tried to incite hostility? What have I gotten out of this for relieving stress?
8. Ha-HA-hah-haaa! I guarantee I run more than any three people on this forum combined.
9. By its very definition, discussion cannot exist without debate of some capacity, and a debate cannot exist if there is only a bunch of people with theoretically self-personalized views applauding each other on their ultimate and ubiquitous predisposition.
10. I have made no flames whatsoever, and the only trolling that I could be accounted for is repercussion of your own equally-poenable trolling, and the trolling and baiting that every single person after you is responsible for. The very own principle of our very own Berkut at its epitome.
11. I never really intended for people to read it. Essentially it was just a precaution and a disclaimer against people trying to claim I had precluded an answer to one of their oh-so-vigorously-wrought keypoints, such as the Teek incident I linked in #2, or against people believing they have bested me in wit. Most of all, I did this to exercise my astuteness and to give the public fat to chew.
12. I'm not an ass, you're just naive in choosing to believe that legitimized cynicism is caustic commentary.


I love how people retaliate to stupidity/flaming/arguing with more of the same. /Irony, WoL.
Please elaborate. You've lost me, here.


1. how bout contracted it at birth


you have no idea what your talking about dole. 2. just... walk away whistling and try and salvage some of your composure.
3. this is one of those topics u feel so incredibly strong about yet Lack alot of the important details... or have been told otherwise.
1. People who contract HIV at birth have atrophied significantly by the time they're eight, nevermind an age at which they're going to marry: it's not even applicable.

So tell me... if I don't know what I'm talking about, then who among you does?

2. "Well that's an easy choice for us, Arcadian. Spartans never retreat. Spartans never surrender. Go now-- let every Greek assembled know what happened here. Let each among them search his own soul and while you're at it, search your own."

3. I do not lack any details; if a case has not been presented I'd rather not be obliged to be the one to produce it, because as you have already seen, my posts get long enough as is. Quite frankly, I have no time to implement such preemptive counters. I get home at 10:30 and am up for roughly two hours organizing my thoughts based on the latest page-and-a-half of unilateral flaming that has accumulated over the past 24 hours and considering how best to approach my retort.

I struggle to stay awake and not succumb to sleep until I have finished my self-allotted task for want of not having to do twice as much ruminating and twice as much typing the next day or three times as much on the third day. In my entire life I have never gotten less than six hours of sleep for more than two consecutive days, and even then it never happens more than once every four years or so. Every chance I could get, I eat as much as a can down. For the past two weeks I have not had a single day in which I have gotten more than five hours of sleep or more than one [half] meal, which is in the evening.

I am 6'+ and have four good years of growth ahead of me being deprived of imperative sleep and food, I am expending copious energy in the day either running one of four pre-set daily courses or being predisposed with the itinerary of my father and my friends, and I am deteriorating at night. I can barely see the monitor through my flashing eyelids and my tear-hazed cornea. I am straddling my limit, and am anxious to supercede it. Nonetheless, my functionability is a long way off from any breaking point and my thinking remains acute


GUYS RUSSIANS ARE SCUM AND 1. NEED TO DIE ALSO GAYS OK GOOD


2. It's a shame you turned out to be such a bigot. You used to be a cool guy before you decided to vomit anti-everything shit all over the forums.

3. In addition to Zilla's post: Or they could, you know, get another's blood in an open wound. Then again, I'm sure working in the field of medicine or nursing or simply looking out for injured people while waiting for the former to arrive on-scene is just as unacceptable as being 4. gay/Russian/insert over-victimised group here, right?
1. When the hell did I say that? I said Russians who live in America should be speaking the native tongue, especially when among the colloquial public, and very especially in a world where English is the langue de guerre.
2. I never changed. I always said the same things about the same topics as the came into question. When people decided to go piss-ant over it is their affair, but not my knowledge. I never "vomited anti-everything shit all over the forums," I only disdained of that which was worthy of disdain, and have done so when it was appropriated by a thread or an updredged topic. I have always done the same, and have never done different. I did as I saw fit, people reacted accordingly.
Things were invariably overturned when someone made that troll 'home-oh-sex-you-all' thread and specifically decided to put "homosexuals are bad" instead of "homosexuality is bad" knowing it would draw attention, start controversy, and cause trouble. I am bound by its necessity to go into the thread and counter the deadweight; no screwing around with "being the bigger man and walking away" or compromising, rescinding, and abandoning principle (negligent incubation). It was there that people got pharisaically sympathetic and decided to "come to the prompt aid of their poor, persecuted comrades" and felt like setting me as a scapegoat. That same mentality was dragged into this thread.
I adhere to my principles because they are right; I do not see them as right because they are adhered by me.
3. There's a reason I left that out and decided not to count my chickens before they hatched. Hospitals take specialized precautions spefically to prevent cross-contaminations between patient and doctor. On chance other circumstances, should fate permit such a transaction of blood, the subjects will be brought medical attention and senior medical patrons will make sure that the blood is tested for diseases. Persons who recently contracted the disease can be treated for it and eventually purged. More often than not, the one who was just diseased will already be married, given the age ratio between people who would be be called upon to assist in a situation that would bring them into such harm. Those in whom it has matured to AIDS will marry other people already afflicted, as there are tighter personality relations, and they are conscious of the risk of infecting an unailed person within a marriage.
4. Homosexuals and foreigners are not victimized, at least not in America. Welcome to the 21st century; political correctness has been ruling for well over a decade now. In fact, they are coddled more than any other groups and are more successful because PC mentality views them as being "forcibly handicapped by the pressures of society".


I found a nice image that aptly describes the current situation:*pic*
hi tool.


'Normal' people don't hold such 1. extreme views on anything and 2. everything that differs from what they're used to.
1. How was anything I said even remotely extreme? It's the spectral opposite; it is traditional values that were honed for millenia by popularity and acceptance in a plethora of civilly-centered cultures. Are you so wrapped up in yourself that you would bluntly ignore this major detail from your considerations?
2. Extremely ironic based on how you're reacting to this. "OMGWTF SOMEONE ***dramatic pause*** DOESN'T AGREE WITH US?! ROUND HIM UP BOYS!"


You sure this applies to Dole? He seems to be a Total Dickwad all around now


Specially with those views of his.
I can't tell whether or not this is a satire aimed at the crowd. Can you confirm this for me?


1. Have you seen him off the internet?


2. sad thing is he used to be awesome.
1. Have you?
2. Enough of your whimsy. Stop scrounging for rep.


Well i many cases, 1. as you have proven your self, some humans are just dicks.


2. If you actually sat down and thought logically and critically of what ever this BS ideology is your trying to pass, you will realize how your fantasy world of what relationships are and should be is full of irony. In reality, (no not your ideal perfect fantasy world you refer to where everyone is what you say they should be) if no one was able to have sex before they got married guess what! People would be getting married just to have sex! Oh what a perfect society that would be.

3. If you had contracted HIV from your mother would I laugh so hard at the irony. What would you do if that happened to you? Strap a bomb to yourself and blow up a teen clinic that gives out condoms and birth control pills? You sure sound like the kind of extremist who would.

4. If you take every one of your arguments about premarital sex being the cause of STDs and replace it with unprotected sex, you would have an argument that would make some bit of sense.

5. Your promoting that premarital sex, as apposed to unprotected sex is the cause of STDs which garbage. Also, promoting that marriage should be the only condition for sex is a joke just by implication of human nature and you have no facts or logical arguments to support it. Reread the first part of this post if you don't understand. In fact reread this whole post over and over and over until some bit of logic and reason penetrates your thick absentminded head.
1. Reflexive is inappropriate.
2. You are so completely and unquestionably wrong in so many aspects, I just feel really damn smart right now. Thank you.
3. What the hell is all of this 'extremist' talk? Reality check: you are a juvenile, sybaritic college student in pursuit of the extreme of unrestricted sex in a Pacific paradise. When you finally get in touch with the real world and your real self, I will not be here to console you.
4. I'm so sure. Because when two people are using each other to masturbate furiously in blind vigor, they're immensely concerned with whether or not they handle protection properly, right?
5. This is so obnoxiously packed full of crap it amazes me. Who do you think is dumb enough to fall for this? Oh, who am I kidding; right off the bat I could name about twenty kids around the corner from me who would eat this up and come back for seconds.


Dole, you are the stupidest human being on earth.
You really do have a lot of difficulty with answering a question as simple as "how", don't you?

[rossmum]

I fail to see the irony. I'm not the one claiming that homosexuality is wrong and/or some sort of serious threat, am I?

Face it, Dole. Nobody here appreciates your bullshit, and no amount of neatly-numbered bullet points which are followed by conveniently-worded rubbish will change that. You came in to that thread about the Russian holiday for procreation, insulted all Russians in a manner that made me wonder exactly how much of a bigoted fuckwad you were with no provocation whatsoever, and continued to claim that they're all scum and shouldn't be reproducing. You constantly spewed out crap about how much of a problem homosexuality is in that thread, and between you and Digi, it got locked.

Don't you try and fob me off with that rubbish, Dole. I know what I saw.

[Dole]

*FLAWED ASSUMPTIONS*
Yay, now I get to use it! :giggle:

[rossmum]

Flawed assumptions? All those posts in which you clearly lashed out at Russians- wait, let me guess, I took them the wrong way? http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-jerkbag.gif

[Bad Waffle]

Hey ross, do what i do when they respond to posts with some utter crap retaliations, just smile, nod your head, and act like you're paying attention to them talking back to you :)

[rossmum]

Smile? That would imply I could actually tolerate such ignorant scum.

[Bad Waffle]

no its something i learned from dating a bitch. She will just smile, say something, go mmhmm a few times, and the arguement will be over. You'll be left out the last word, and what she says has a fifty fifty chance of coming back into your mind later and fucking with you. if it worked on me, it'll work on anybody :D

Oh btw, ontopic--i was playing h2 today, and my first game of H2 Challenge was with this guy named chlamydia, we battled ferociously for the lead but i eventually pulled ahead by going rambo and getting a triple kill, sealing my victory. Chlamydia was not pleased.

[jahrain]

1. People who contract HIV at birth have atrophied significantly by the time they're eight, nevermind an age at which they're going to marry: it's not even applicable.
Your thinking about AIDS (the disease). Some people can live for many many years without even having or noticing any of the symptoms caused by the infection of HIV hence why people opt for getting HIV tested. You should really start to acquire some knowledge on the subject and get your facts straight before you try arguing anything about it.



2. You are so completely and unquestionably wrong in so many aspects, I just feel really damn smart right now. Thank you.
Instead of just using circular logic to support your claim, why don't you elaborate your idiotic reasoning. As of know, your only defense against this wave of testimony against your rediculous views and opinions have been "1. DURR YER JUST WRONG!!!
2. IM RITE
3. ?????
4. YOUR JUST SO WRONG LOL"

The problem with everything you claim, and why you are getting your ass flamed worse than SVC is because you are spitting out line after line of pure garbage with no logic, reason, facts, or testimony to them and passing it off as absolute truth.


3. What the hell is all of this 'extremist' talk? Reality check: you are a juvenile, sybaritic college student in pursuit of the extreme of unrestricted sex in a Pacific paradise. When you finally get in touch with the real world and your real self, I will not be here to console you. Lol, you make that lifestyle sound almost tempting none the less, but like every one of your posts, it is far from the realm of facts. For the past 2 years almost, I have been in a steady loyal relationship. Something you will probably never experience due to your extremist and sexist views on sex and relationships. What are you like 14, 15 yrs old? It would explain allot, since you would be going through the stage in your life when you think that you are always right.



4. I'm so sure. Because when two people are using each other to masturbate furiously in blind vigor, they're immensely concerned with whether or not they handle protection properly, right? You obviously have no experience on the subject and have no clue what your talking about. Maybe you never been taught how to use protection or even what the hell it is or how it works, and with the sort of bullshit you try to promote, its what usually leads to that kind of ignorance on the subject.


5. This is so obnoxiously packed full of crap it amazes me. Who do you think is dumb enough to fall for this? Oh, who am I kidding; right off the bat I could name about twenty kids around the corner from me who would eat this up and come back for seconds.

So your the claim that protected sex does not help prevent STDs from being spead and that EVERYONE should wait until they get married before they start fucking their brains out with total disregard for protection will cure all forms of STDs is not full of crap? Wait... Your saying what is full of crap now?

[n00b1n8R]

People are still bothering to read through his posts? :raise:

I stopped before he started using spoiler's >.>

[Agamemnon]

*FLAWED ASSUMPTIONS*Yay, now I get to use it! :giggle:
lol, irony

[rossmum]

lol, irony
lol, indeed

[n00b1n8R]

lol, indeed
lol, bandwagons.
/thread.

[rossmum]

Except not, since that wasn't even close to a bandwagon.

l2internet

[Con]

lol, bandwagons.
/thread.
no
l2 /thread