Common fallacies about H2V/Windows Vista

[Mr Buckshot]

In many forums, especially Gamespot, we have people thinking all kinds of dumb things about Vista and/or H2V...I feel bored so I'll clear 'em up.

Fucking Microsoft, they just wanna use H2V to boost Vista sales...
H2V is Vista exclusive, but I highly doubt Microsoft or Bungie expect the game to help sales of Windows Vista in any way. It's just marketing and business plans and stuff. Plus H2V more like a showcase of GFWL than a Vista "flagship." No one buys a new OS just to play a video game, and Microsoft knows that.

God damn it I need to spend $600+ on a new comp for Vista before I can play Halo 2...
First of all, Vista doesn't need a super computer. If you run it on a pre-DX9 video card, you just won't get Aero Glass, that's all.

Now if your main PC has Intel Extreme Graphics 2 or a video card from the 20th century, then you shouldn't even be playing PC games.

And to get all the bells and whistles in Aero, you don't need a super computer either. The Intel GMA 950 can run Aero. That's saying something considering Intel makes the world's shittiest graphics cards.

Bottom line: You can stick with whatever PC you're using right now if you want to run Vista. You should only upgrade if you need performance in GAMES. Of course, if you're using Intel video cards and less than 512 MB of RAM, don't even play modern PC games.

Why the hell should I upgrade my OS? It's stupid

How old are you? Have you not used Windows 98 and 2000 before switching to XP? Trust me, everyone's going to buy a new computer sometime from now, especially if they don't know how to maintain their own computers during breakdowns. And when they do, they get VISTA.

Now if you were born after 1999 and as a result, have never used an operating system older than Windows XP (people usually learn to use computers these days at 5 or 6), then you have a compelling argument.

Vista is terrible and sucks ass

I'm sure Windows XP was a piece of shit back in 2001. Windows ME/2000 was a piece of shit back in 1999/2000. And so on. There's something called a "service pack," which is the reason why XP runs so much more smoothly than Vista as of now. Once the first Vista service pack is out, we'll all be wishing we had Vista.

It costs so much to buy Vista in the first place!!!!

That's only true if you want to buy the Ultimate edition, which is not really that worthwhile. And the simple upgrade will only cost $100 for Home Premium, which is the best bang for the buck. Seriously, one Benjamin isn't that much these days - it'll barely fill up an SUV and it's the price of 2 brand new games. If you can lay off driving for a bit or not buy games for a while, you'll have $100.

And if you're buying a major brand computer, i.e. Dell, Vista is standard and doesn't really raise the price.

I'm so smart. I'll never, ever get Vista no matter what Microsoft does.
Yeah, maybe that's true if you're a non-gamer. If you're a gamer, you'll be crying a lot in a few years once more games become Vista exclusives or require DX10 for the good stuff.

WTF? Bungie sucks now for making H2V so crappy...

Bungie didn't port H2V. Blame Hired Gun for making this year's shittiest console-to-PC port (shitty describes the porting job, not the game). Yeah, they should have made it DX8.1 compatible since the game doesn't even use DX9 noticeably, but DX9 is recommended for all new games anyway.

I wanna play Halo 2 so much but I can't now...

Buy a pre-owned Xbox and a pre-played Halo 2 for Xbox. Costs less than $100.

I don't have Vista and my parents won't lemme get it but I do have an ok PC! No H2 for me!

Wowloader hack, anyone?

[Skyline]

Now if you were born after 1999 and as a result, have never used an operating system older than Windows XP (people usually learn to use computers these days at 5 or 6), then you have a compelling argument.

They shouldn't even be buying the game ;).

I bought a new computer cause my other one was getting old and slow. $160-250? isn't that much if you have a descent paying job and are planning on using vista for another 10 years like XP.

[Stealth]

and Microsoft isn't going to stop, and take the time to listen to any one under the age of 18, maybe 17, cause you can't legaly own shit until you to turn the magic age of 18, and most jobs need you to be 18+ years of age just to apply for a job. for M$, they can't legaly make money off of any one younger then 18, so they really don't care.


It costs so much to buy Vista in the first place!!!!

That's only true if you want to buy the Ultimate edition, which is not really that worthwhile. And the simple upgrade will only cost $100 for Home Premium, which is the best bang for the buck. Seriously, one Benjamin isn't that much these days - it'll barely fill up an SUV and it's the price of 2 brand new games. If you can lay off driving for a bit or not buy games for a while, you'll have $100.

And if you're buying a major brand computer, i.e. Dell, Vista is standard and doesn't really raise the price.
if you're still in school, do a search for a web site, for Vista for Student discounts, you can get Vista prem (the one I have) for less then 100 USDs, all you need is your report card, and/or school ID, M$ and Adobe are welling to knock down the price for software if you're a student, and can prove it.

[Mr Buckshot]

They shouldn't even be buying the game ;).

I bought a new computer cause my other one was getting old and slow. $160-250? isn't that much if you have a descent paying job and are planning on using vista for another 10 years like XP.

Agreed, $100-$200 is not what it used to be, unless you work at McDonald's at minimum wage ($8/hour in Canada).

A job is a great way to spend your summer vacation unless you go on a nice trip. With a job, you have some freedom to buy what you want without parents interfering. And that stuff includes PC hardware.

[Zeph]

I don't have Vista and my parents won't lemme get it but I do have an ok PC! No H2 for me!

Wowloader hack, anyone?
And this is the point of conflict. People dont understand H2 is Vista only because of the live service. Why do you think those guys who were going to port the thing to XP gave up on it? Yeah, it can run on XP easily, but the networking and live aspects require Vista.


My main gripe is about the controls. I understand there were internal mandates requiring controller integration, but it was done terribly. I dont care if you include support for a controller in the game, but dont make it screw with the mouse and keyboard. There should not be acceleration when you press down on either w, a, s, or d. Mouse acceleration of the same manner just doesn't make sense.

[p0lar_bear]

God damn it I need to spend $600+ on a new comp for Vista before I can play Halo 2...
First of all, Vista doesn't need a super computer. If you run it on a pre-DX9 video card, you just won't get Aero Glass, that's all.FYI, Halo 2 Vista will not run on DirectX 8 or earlier hardware. Period. Sapien throws an exception containing something along the lines of "unknown directX command" if I attempt to run it with my Radeon 9200, which is an 8.1 card.


Why the hell should I upgrade my OS? It's stupid

How old are you? Have you not used Windows 98 and 2000 before switching to XP? Trust me, everyone's going to buy a new computer sometime from now, especially if they don't know how to maintain their own computers during breakdowns. And when they do, they get VISTA.Most people willingly migrated to XP. Microsoft wasn't forcing anyone over to XP until recently when support for 98 and 98SE was dropped. In fact, a lot of programs did NOT work with XP, and generally speaking, there was no such thing as an XP-exclusive program. Most games and programs I see have minimum requirements going back to even Windows 98.

In the case of Vista, it feels like Microsoft is forcing it onto us instead of letting it happen naturally. There are Vista-exclusive services and games/programs, and Microsoft is already trying to tell us that support will be dropped for XP soon, when it seemed that support for 98 was just kinda dropped long after a majority of the userbase migrated.


Windows ME/2000 was a piece of shit back in 1999/2000.For one, don't dare compare Windows ME to Windows 2000. Even if it had similar interfaces, ME was still in the 9x family, while 2000 is in the NT family. Also, ME is still a piece of shit. :haw:

[Patrickssj6]

Windows ME/2000 was the first operating system in he series that stepped off MS-DOS. Big failure.

Anyway, everyone get H2XP it's :awesome:

We are going to fix the Multiplayer thing :P

[Syuusuke]

Will they be able to play with Vista people? =D

BTW, has anyone tried using Hamachi in H2XP?

[jahrain]

Fucking Microsoft, they just wanna use H2V to boost Vista sales...
H2V is Vista exclusive, but I highly doubt Microsoft or Bungie expect the game to help sales of Windows Vista in any way. It's just marketing and business plans and stuff. Plus H2V more like a showcase of GFWL than a Vista "flagship." No one buys a new OS just to play a video game, and Microsoft knows that.

If they are using halo 2 vista exclusivity as a marketing deploy for vista to give it more value, that means they are using it to boost sales, or else it would not be worth the marketing efforts.


God damn it I need to spend $600+ on a new comp for Vista before I can play Halo 2...
First of all, Vista doesn't need a super computer. If you run it on a pre-DX9 video card, you just won't get Aero Glass, that's all.

Now if your main PC has Intel Extreme Graphics 2 or a video card from the 20th century, then you shouldn't even be playing PC games.

And to get all the bells and whistles in Aero, you don't need a super computer either. The Intel GMA 950 can run Aero. That's saying something considering Intel makes the world's shittiest graphics cards.

Bottom line: You can stick with whatever PC you're using right now if you want to run Vista. You should only upgrade if you need performance in GAMES. Of course, if you're using Intel video cards and less than 512 MB of RAM, don't even play modern PC games.

Why are you assuming everyone who complains about having to upgrade their hardware for vista is using a non-dx9 card? Vista is a memory, cpu, and disk space hog to say the least. Not to mention it requires far more memory if you do happen to use a high end gaming graphics card. Its more likely that the people complaining about this already have descent computers that can play games well on xp, but when running vista, it becomes a shit box because 512 mb of ram is just barely enough ram to even run vista by itself, let alone any other games. Its about the equivalent of running xp on its minimum 64mb ram requirement.


Why the hell should I upgrade my OS? It's stupid

How old are you? Have you not used Windows 98 and 2000 before switching to XP? Trust me, everyone's going to buy a new computer sometime from now, especially if they don't know how to maintain their own computers during breakdowns. And when they do, they get VISTA.

Now if you were born after 1999 and as a result, have never used an operating system older than Windows XP (people usually learn to use computers these days at 5 or 6), then you have a compelling argument.
So your saying we should get vista because we are computer noobs who don't know any better? The problem is, Vista tries to fix what isn't broke with XP. Due to extremely high demand from consumers and OEMs, microsoft's deploy to choke off the OEM market with XP licenses at the end of this year was wreaked because of the unexpected mainstream dislike for vista. Now OEMs will continue to provide XP to people who buy new computers all the way into summer 2008, and most likely that will be extended as well.



Vista is terrible and sucks ass

I'm sure Windows XP was a piece of shit back in 2001. Windows ME/2000 was a piece of shit back in 1999/2000. And so on. There's something called a "service pack," which is the reason why XP runs so much more smoothly than Vista as of now. Once the first Vista service pack is out, we'll all be wishing we had Vista.
And if you were being forced to upgrade to windows xp back in 2001 just to play some new game that you highly anticipated and you were using windows 2000, would you not complain about having being forced to be an early adopter of XP in its infancy?


It costs so much to buy Vista in the first place!!!!

That's only true if you want to buy the Ultimate edition, which is not really that worthwhile. And the simple upgrade will only cost $100 for Home Premium, which is the best bang for the buck. Seriously, one Benjamin isn't that much these days - it'll barely fill up an SUV and it's the price of 2 brand new games. If you can lay off driving for a bit or not buy games for a while, you'll have $100.

And if you're buying a major brand computer, i.e. Dell, Vista is standard and doesn't really raise the price.
Its $100 for an upgrade from windows xp pro or mce, and in home premium, you get cut out of features that you once had in windows xp pro that you can only get in ultimate or business, and if you upgrade to vista business, you get cut out from features you once had in windows xp mce. Besides, if anyone didn't want to pay for vista, they would probably just pirate it and save themselves the hassles that legitimate users need to go through for activation and so on, but its not even desirable enough for some people to even want it for free.



I'm so smart. I'll never, ever get Vista no matter what Microsoft does.
Yeah, maybe that's true if you're a non-gamer. If you're a gamer, you'll be crying a lot in a few years once more games become Vista exclusives or require DX10 for the good stuff.
Too bad many game developers who haven't been bribed enough by microsoft has that same attitude towards developing exclusively for vista. If game developers wanted dx10 features, but don't want to limit their sales to only 2% of the market, they could just go with OpenGL 2.x, and also for OpenGL 3.0 when the hardware is available in the future. DX10 doesn't offer enough benefits over dx9 to make it worth choking off 98% of the market from purchasing their game. Also, if your a high end gamer (like an SLI or crossfire user) Vista is worst selection for an operating system to game on.


WTF? Bungie sucks now for making H2V so crappy...

Bungie didn't port H2V. Blame Hired Gun for making this year's shittiest console-to-PC port (shitty describes the porting job, not the game). Yeah, they should have made it DX8.1 compatible since the game doesn't even use DX9 noticeably, but DX9 is recommended for all new games anyway.No blame microsoft for making all the decisions on how it was to be ported. Hired Gun simpled just did as microsoft instructed them, nothing more, nothing less.




I don't have Vista and my parents won't lemme get it but I do have an ok PC! No H2 for me!

Wowloader hack, anyone?

Wow, first smart thing you said. This is the best answer to all those whining and crying about having to upgrade to vista to play h2v.

[p0lar_bear]

Windows ME was the first operating system in he series that stepped off MS-DOS. Big failure.

What did I say about comparing Winblows ME to Windows 2000? ME is in the 9x family, while Windows 2000 is in the NT family.

[Mr Buckshot]

jahrain wins :O