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jcap
October 6th, 2007, 09:15 AM
First post!

Syuusuke
October 6th, 2007, 10:10 AM
First non-original post!

Or second! =(

Another league eh?

Patrickssj6
October 6th, 2007, 03:59 PM
New Forum? Needs more spam fest.

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 04:47 PM
Incase any of you have forgotten the rules and such, here they are. Feel free to ask any questions:



Welcome to another year of the HCE League! We ended the last league when KOD defeated CAF in the finals. Over the years there have been quite a bit of criticism of the league. Hopefully this year we can be much more organized than the other times. The rules have been revised and it is advised that you take a moment to read them.

And first things first to those who are new to the league: The weapon setup for this league is standard weapons. Things like modifications, all heavies, all vehicles are not in this league (Coldsnap and Hugeass are prime examples). If this isn't what you're looking for then do NOT join.

Submitting your rosters:

Deadline for submitting rosters is September 9th
Deadline for adding or removing players is when the first game of the league starts!

To register your roster, you must send your roster information to address hceleague@gmail.com.

What is required:

Team Name and Tags (please ensure that your name and tags do not copy another team)
Starters and backups
Time zone for the team (time zone for each player as well is recommended but not required)
Maps you would like to see (will go through the admins for approvable).

It is advised that you keep a copy of the email incase you wish to add or remove a player from the roster.

Example:

Name: Huge Itchy Virus -HiV-

Starters:

Player 1
Player 2
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5

Backs ups

Player 1
Player 2
Player 3
(and so on)

If you don't have your starters set up, you are more than welcome to do the following:

Players:
Player 1
Player 2
(and so on)


To remove or add a player:

To make things easier for the admins, we would require that you send us a format similar to the below.

Email Name: -HiV- Remove (or add)

(+ or -) So and So

Starters:
Player 1
So and So
Player 3
and so on

You pretty much get the point I would assume... If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at hceleague@gmail.com or PM STLRamsFan, Phil, or Shadow.


1. Setup - Matches:

a. Matches and times must be confirmed at least one day before the game is scheduled. On game day, if a team is missing people or something, teams must play with less people/forfeit/etc.
However, if both teams have an agreement to delay the game then you must give the time and day to the admins via PM or email. This is so it'll give us a chance to plan. However, please don't keep delaying the game to the point that it holds up the entire league. Admins have the power to overturn a delay if they feel that it is holding up the league.

b. Team leaders must present their contact information to officials. It'll make things easier for everyone. Teams should discuss times with their opponents, and present the information to the officials/admins.

c. When suggesting playtimes, teams MUST indicated their region (EST/GMT/etc.) for organization's sake.

d. Teams should have an even game as much as possible, 5 starters per team. Backups are welcome.

e. Free Agents- You are free to add other players before the games start. Once the games start you cannot add another player to your roster. Any player that is not on the roster will be kicked (excluding refs, specs, and admins).

f. Once the league starts you will not be allowed to add another player to the roster. This was a major problem last time. If you add another player before the first game of the league starts then the change will be accepted. Make sure you had your roster set incase the unexpected happens (ex: 2 starts leave your team).

g. Teams and team leaders must be cooperative in helping organize the matches.

h. Spectators - If you would like to watch the games then please contact an admin prior to the game. Remember there are limited spaces in the game so not everyone can join.

i. Filmers - Filmers would be greatly appreciated. We would like to have 2-3 filmers at the most. One editor is suggested but not required.

j: Series - The league will consist of 3 game series for the first few matches. In the semifinals it jumps to 5. In the finals it jumps to 7.

2. Setup - Maps:

a. The two opposing teams are to decide on the time for the 3/5/7 matches.

b. Maps are chosen by the officials. (Complete map list will be agreed upon beforehand, teams must be prepared). If an official is associated with a team then they will have no say in the choosing of the maps. This is to prevent bias accusions of the league. The only exceptions may be Rams, Phil, and Shadow if it's an emergency.

3. Games:

a. Hacks - If you are caught cheating of any sort, you and your team are banned on the spot. No questions asked, even if it's your friend, brother, whatever. It is your responsibly that your teammates are not cheaters and will play fair.

b. Anything goes in game, however no camping in secret places (i.e. top of maps, pushing out of barriers, etc.).

c. Please keep the game civil. No one, under any circumstances, may insult the opposing team purposefully (Unless it is known to be playful) - the offending player may be subject to a ban, if multiple players then the team may be DQ'ed. Swearing is fine as Halo can get frustrating. However, don't flood the chat swears as you will be warned and kicked from the game if you continue.

d. Keep the complaining to a minimal, if you have suggestions or concerns. Please contact an admin.

4. Game Setup:

Password: smar (rams backwards)

Servers will be reserved at least 30 minutes to an hour ahead of time. This is so admins can set up the server for the scheduled game.

CTF:
No assault
Multi Flag
Flag at home to score
3 Caps
30 minutes Time limit

Slayer:
50 Kills
TK Off
Killing specs, admins, and refs is prohibited.
Each game will include at least 1 Slayer game.

Breaks:
After each game we will go to c3ll for a team koth game. This game is merely to allow bathroom breaks, lunch breaks, whatever. If both teams insist on just going straight to the next game then we will do so. Regardless if you win or lose, this game has no effect on the series what so ever.

5. Overtime:

If for some reason the match is still tied after three games. There will be a sudden death match played on one of the original maps by bungie to keep everyone mostly happy. If both teams agree to which map should be played in overtime that would be great.


How Overtime will be setup is simple:

CTF
1 Capture
No Time limit
Standard Weapons

Slayer
50 kills
No Time limit
Standard Weapons

Game type Decision Process:

CTF in first overtime of the league
Slayer in the next

And so the cycle continues.

And whoever wins this game is considered the winner of the series.

Offenses:

The following offenses will result in a kick from the game (as in you can’t return to the match) and can result in a disqualification from the league depending on the offense.

Kickable Offense:
- Killing admins, refs, specs, basically anyone who isn’t on either team on purpose.
- Botting, wall hacking, any type of cheating will be an automatic disqualification.
- Switching teams to disrupt the game.
- Having more than five players playing (having one as a spec is fine if there is room).

Warnings (Three warnings will mean a kick from the match);
- Flooding chat
- Suggesting cheating (should be common sense)
- Picking a fight with another member (joking is fine)

This should be pretty much common sense.

Referees mainly, but League officials in general will keep track of these offenses.

If you feel that an official is being bias, unfair, ect. Please keep it up with one of the top league admins which include Rams, Phil, and Shadow.

Your League Admins Include:

STLRamsFan
Innergoat (Dr@home)
Boss
Mod

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 04:52 PM
Thanks a lot man :)

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 04:57 PM
I was thinking it might actually be pretty cool to have logos for the team. Now this is completely optional but I thought it would be pretty cool. Just post a logo for your team that is appropriate and I'll put it on the bracket. Just make sure the background is transparent and you'll be good to go.

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:21 PM
Updates will be posted here reguarding matches as they become announced:

East Conference:

First Round:

FBI vs. MFD- FBI advances due to forfit (Will face POW)

POW vs. KOD: POW advances due to forfit (Will face FBI)

CORG vs. HAF: HAF advances due to forfit (Will face D2T)

D2T vs. =DG=: D2T over DG (Will face HAF)

Second Round:

FBI vs. POW: CIA over FBI

HAF vs. D2T: D2T over HAF (Will face the winner of the FBI vs. POW game)

Semifinals:

CIA vs. D2T: D2T over CIA (D2T will face the winner of the EP vs. HIV game)

West Conference:

wtf vs. HIV: HIV Advances (Will face FNC)

>FNC< vs. -WD-: FNC Advances (Will face HIV)

{HR} vs. =EP: EP over HR (Will face PRP)

PRP vs. BB: PRP Advances (Will face EP)

Round 2

HIV vs. FNC: HIV over FNC- FNC quit, HIV will face EP.

EP vs. PRP: EP over PRP (Will face HIV)

Semifinals:

HIV vs. EP: EP Advances (Will face Ð2T)


Finals:

=EP_ vs {Ð2T}: Pending

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:22 PM
FBI has advanced due to forfit:

>:UJ-----< : opeth did u remove mfd from teh league or are they still playing?
·¸ {HKÐ}Op3tH xiL'Schizm: i'm removing
·¸ {HKÐ}Op3tH xiL'Schizm: why?
>:UJ-----< = LOL: rams asked me to clarify just incase u didnt so we could scheudule matches etc
>:UJ-----< : ;s
·¸ {HKÐ}Op3tH xiL'Schizm: i haven't sent the email
>:UJ-----<: he wa slike let me know
·¸ {HKÐ}Op3tH xiL'Schizm: but you can give him chatlog
·¸ {HKÐ}Op3tH xiL'Schizm: i'm kinda lazy
·¸ {HKÐ}Op3tH xiL'Schizm: : )

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:25 PM
Discuss times, maps, ect for the match. Please post any updates and be sure to announce a time at least one day in advance!

POW and KOD Impostering incident: Both POW and KOD have agreed to a rematch.

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Discuss times, maps, ect for the match. Please post any updates and be sure to announce a time at least one day in advance!

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Discuss times, maps, ect for the match. Please post any updates and be sure to announce a time at least one day in advance!

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:28 PM
Discuss times, maps, ect for the match. Please post any updates and be sure to announce a time at least one day in advance!

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:29 PM
Discuss times, maps, ect for the match. Please post any updates and be sure to announce a time at least one day in advance!

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:30 PM
Discuss times, maps, ect for the match. Please post any updates and be sure to announce a time at least one day in advance!

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:30 PM
Discuss times, maps, ect for the match. Please post any updates and be sure to announce a time at least one day in advance!

Pooky
October 6th, 2007, 05:31 PM
Fifth.

STLRamsFan
October 6th, 2007, 05:32 PM
One thing Jcap, you think we could add a section called "Matches"? It'll make things nicer looking and all.

Roth
October 6th, 2007, 05:49 PM
We play - Sunday, 11 pm (GMT -5), 5 pm (GMT +1)

InnerGoat
October 6th, 2007, 05:49 PM
post

skogen
October 6th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Finally a forum for this league:)

skogen
October 6th, 2007, 05:52 PM
May the best win!:D

Trinx
October 6th, 2007, 10:45 PM
I have sent an email to them a couple weeks ago, but have yet to receive a reply.

Trinx
October 6th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Hey there people. And hi to Skogen.

STLRamsFan
October 7th, 2007, 01:05 AM
Sounds good, here is the maplist for you guys. Break is optional and you may opt to go straight to the next map if both teams agree:

Mudslide: CTF
C3LL (http://http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=629): Break
Mudslide: CTF
C3LL: (http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=629)Break
Hang em' High: Slayer

Red: D2T
Blue: =DG=

Best out of 3 match.

Overtime: BG: CTF 1 Cap and NO time limit. You lose other team wins!

Roth
October 7th, 2007, 05:16 AM
Uhm we agreed playing CTF twice on Mudslide and change bases

Jalpso
October 7th, 2007, 05:18 AM
As I promised, the match ups will be announced today. The maplist is still under discussion. If you guys have any suggestions, that would be great. You guys are even allowed to give us maps you want for your match (as long as both teams agree and it follows the league rules reguarding maps).

Both teams agreed on x2_mudslide and the time on D2T forums.

Time agreement (http://www.d2tclan.org/d2tclan/Jal/pics/time.jpg) with =DG=

Map agreement (http://www.d2tclan.org/d2tclan/Jal/pics/map.jpg) with =DG=

SFX
October 7th, 2007, 09:22 AM
D2T's Logo:

http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a233/MassimoX/th_d2tlogo.png


http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a233/MassimoX/th_d2tlogo.png

STLRamsFan
October 7th, 2007, 11:23 AM
Sounds good, thanks for giving me the heads up.

The server will be up real soon and remember that the server password will be "smar" as usual.

Roth
October 7th, 2007, 11:42 AM
GG admins without a ref we can't start.

STLRamsFan
October 7th, 2007, 11:49 AM
Sunday, 11 pm (GMT -5), 5 pm (GMT +1)

You made us believe it was starting at 11 at night....

http://www.h2vista.net/forums/h2vista_v2/misc/progress.gif

SFX
October 7th, 2007, 12:06 PM
The image that Jally posted about the Time Agreement says 11am and 5pm, with their respective timezones. :)

**edit** Oh, Nordic said 11pm instead of Am. I see where you got confused. Anyway, we agreed to play same time next Sunday, 11am (Gmt -5), 5pm (Gmt +1).

Roth
October 7th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Posting it 3 times in the cbox confuses me lol

InnerGoat
October 7th, 2007, 02:39 PM
The image that Jally posted about the Time Agreement says 11am and 5pm, with their respective timezones. :)

**edit** Oh, Nordic said 11pm instead of Am. I see where you got confused. Anyway, we agreed to play same time next Sunday, 11am (Gmt -5), 5pm (Gmt +1).
11am? Shit, I was just waking up lulz. Someone should have sent me a msg on AIM the day before about the final map choices and everything...

InnerGoat
October 7th, 2007, 02:43 PM
HIV's

http://www.h2vista.net/innergoat/stuff/dr/no%20u/OHRLY.png







:rolleyes:

InnerGoat
October 7th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Server is up for those of you who don't know yet. Its on mudslide right now.

Trezeguet
October 7th, 2007, 08:07 PM
=EP='s
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4718/ep224422wu9.png

Syuusuke
October 7th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Hmm...You know...

InnerGoat
October 7th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Hey I got tk banned again, lulz :smith:

STLRamsFan
October 7th, 2007, 10:58 PM
:(

Unbanned

InnerGoat
October 7th, 2007, 11:03 PM
Encoding the video of that face clan botter. Go get the hash. :)

Cortexian
October 8th, 2007, 02:22 AM
First Off I'd like to say that Mondays, Wednesdays, and Sundays are out for us (the {HR} clan). Now that that is settled, I think we should move on to map, game type, and times :awesome:.

Trezeguet
October 8th, 2007, 11:36 AM
It's most likely going to be on a Saturday after 3PM EST.
Most of our members are on Sunday. (Due to school and activities.)
It's going to be hard to get them on a Saturday, but I'll try to work something out.
I wouldn't be able to do it on a weekday, because of school. (And many of our members.)

As for the map and gametype, I would prefer to do them all on CTF.

Maps: Undecided.

STLRamsFan
October 8th, 2007, 01:45 PM
Alrighty, thanks for the update. And remember, we will be happy to pick out a maplist if you guys can't decide on one.

Roth
October 8th, 2007, 02:48 PM
So next Sunday, 11am (Gmt -5), 5pm (Gmt +1). Correct?

Ref plz be there and server is all right?

Morkon
October 8th, 2007, 03:05 PM
I think Saturdays work for me.

STLRamsFan
October 8th, 2007, 03:58 PM
Don't worry, you'll have someone there for ya...

Teh Ganon
October 8th, 2007, 04:23 PM
From what me and killer have agreed upon, these are to be the maps:

Lost Cove (http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=393)
Wartorn Cov3 (http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=414)
Casualty Isle (http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=1861)

And if it complies with the league rules, they will all be played on ctf.

And ill have to talk with the members again about times...

STLRamsFan
October 8th, 2007, 06:10 PM
From what me and killer have agreed upon, these are to be the maps:

Lost Cove (http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=393)
Wartorn Cov3 (http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=414)
Casualty Isle (http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=1861)

And if it complies with the league rules, they will all be played on ctf.

And ill have to talk with the members again about times...

Sounds good.

TheElf
October 8th, 2007, 07:21 PM
Saturdays should be good for me.....

Cortexian
October 8th, 2007, 08:20 PM
It may be possible on Sundays, but either early in the morning or after suppers. The main reason we can't do it on any of the days listed is because two of our best players aren't available on those days. Again, Sunday is a possibility.

Trezeguet
October 8th, 2007, 08:40 PM
One good member that we have is only available on Sundays.
But it's definitely going to be a weekend.
Let's worry about the maps first. Once we have those, I'll talk to some members on when they can come Saturdays/Sundays.

Cortexian
October 8th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Alright, I vote we decide on maps separately (each clan), then post the possibilities here.

MDK HappyCamper
October 8th, 2007, 10:08 PM
Saturdays are my preference, and I'm partial to Nightcamp.

Trezeguet
October 8th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Alright, I vote we decide on maps separately (each clan), then post the possibilities here.
Agreed.
I will come back with a maplist later. (A possibilities list.)
But do you guys agree on CTF on all games?

Dr Nick
October 9th, 2007, 09:46 AM
Here's the times for all timezones, since people play everywhere.

4:00 AM GMT -12
5:00 AM GMT -11
6:00 AM GMT -10
7:00 AM GMT -9
8:00 AM GMT -8
9:00 AM GMT -7
10:00 AM GMT -6
11:00 AM GMT -5
12:00 PM GMT-4
1:00 PM GMT -3
2:00 PM GMT -2
3:00 PM GMT -1
4:00 PM GMT
5:00 PM GMT +1
6:00 PM GMT +2
7:00 PM GMT +3
8:00 PM GMT +4
9:00 PM GMT +5
10:00 PM GMT +6
11:00 PM GMT +7
12:00 AM GMT +8
1:00 AM GMT +9
2:00 AM GMT +10
3:00 AM GMT +11
4:00 AM GMT +12(Next day)
5:00 AM GMT +13(Next day)
6:00 AM GMT +14(Next day)

{PRP}Blast
October 9th, 2007, 09:53 PM
Sorry for getting to this so late. I suggest a three game series, with Blood Gulch, Ice Fields, and a custom map. {BB} leader. Do you have any suggestions?
My only free times are on weekends. Saturday afternoon, and all day Sunday. I will also check with my clan to see some active times where they can play.

Thanks,
Blast

STLRamsFan
October 9th, 2007, 11:19 PM
I'm curious, have you managed to gain any contact with the team?

Robz
October 10th, 2007, 01:05 AM
Hey King, "wtf" is ready to play the matches.

Derelict - team slayer
Hang 'Em High - team slayer
Blood Gulch - CTF

What time can you get ur guys on and play?

InnerGoat
October 10th, 2007, 11:22 AM
Team slayer? Guess I gotta play in this one after all. :D

king_nothing_
October 10th, 2007, 11:46 AM
I keep asking my players when they're available to play, but most aren't responding. I'll keep trying.

[HAF]Foxtrot
October 10th, 2007, 01:56 PM
http://haf.aowc.net/user/41146/haf.jpg

[HAF]Foxtrot
October 10th, 2007, 01:59 PM
I need to get the leaders X-Fire so I can set a date up with [CORG] to have the match.

Morkon
October 10th, 2007, 02:35 PM
I think we can throw a Teamslayer into the mix.

StankBacon
October 10th, 2007, 03:09 PM
you keep asking on the hiv forums... no hivers go there any more cept dr :p


(and me)

Rosco
October 10th, 2007, 03:58 PM
so team wtf are a bunch of players playing in other clans

this is quite

{PRP}Blast
October 10th, 2007, 08:10 PM
No I have not contacted the {BB} leader. Have you?

king_nothing_
October 11th, 2007, 08:01 AM
so team wtf are a bunch of players playing in other clans

this is quite
Huh?

Jalpso
October 11th, 2007, 10:48 AM
So wtf = face clan then?

connorjb
October 11th, 2007, 07:21 PM
it says in the rules that we have to play at least one teamslayer match. and btw this is zoltan, i am too lazy to put in that little nickname thingy

{PRP}Blast
October 11th, 2007, 08:08 PM
I manage to come in contact with him today. I posted a map choice.

Hang em High Team Slayer
Blood Gulch CTF
Wizard (or custom Map) Team Slayer or CTF

Thats what I though was a good choice of maps and game types.

Teh Ganon
October 11th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Halo CUSTOM edition league:cool:

{PRP}Blast
October 11th, 2007, 08:24 PM
That does not mean we HAVE to use custom maps does it.

Teh Ganon
October 11th, 2007, 09:15 PM
I think that it actually should be a rule. Majority of the maps chosen should be custom maps. Just my opinion though.

{PRP}Blast
October 11th, 2007, 10:05 PM
[HIV] is not choosing custom maps. I think it would be a silly rule. I never play on custom maps except for CMT Snow Grove.

Teh Ganon
October 11th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Oh like I said it was my opinion... And I thought it was the whole point of the game and league. To play custom maps. w/e though I'm not gong to argue :). What happens if you face a team that wants custom maps? Chaos might ensue. Then the maps might have to be chosen for you by the admins. Will you be mad if they were to be custom?

STLRamsFan
October 11th, 2007, 11:56 PM
As long as both teams agree I'm ok with it. If both teams disagree, we can always fix up something for you.

STLRamsFan
October 11th, 2007, 11:57 PM
His xfire is "tpblind".

STLRamsFan
October 11th, 2007, 11:58 PM
I'm really not enforcing that rule too much. I personally don't mind if you have a teamslayer game in there or not. Just want both teams to agree and have fun. Not that a big a deal to me.

Cortexian
October 12th, 2007, 12:20 AM
I'd like to have at least one game of Team Slayer, just to mix it up.

{PRP}Blast
October 12th, 2007, 07:14 AM
BB agreed with me. We are doing frost in the place of wizard.

Cojafoji
October 12th, 2007, 05:17 PM
Cause that was needed king? Your nose doesn't belong everywhere, so try and keep it the f*ck out. That didn't even apply to the topic. Not chastising you as a player, just as someone who's being an idiot spammer.

Umt~Wolf
October 12th, 2007, 05:21 PM
So when will we play?

Teh Ganon
October 12th, 2007, 06:06 PM
yet to talk to killer again, or figure out a time. im free this weekend. and tonight

Bossniak
October 13th, 2007, 02:45 AM
I'm trying to see when my players can play. Only me and Wraith are free, no one else is responding on kod forums.

Umt~Wolf
October 13th, 2007, 04:28 AM
Well im okay whit tonight:D

STLRamsFan
October 13th, 2007, 05:37 PM
You have until tommorrow by the 11 am (est) game to get your roster fixtures in! If get them in by then you'll be good to go. Please ensure the players are not on other teams (MFD is an exception due to pulling out)!

If you have sent an email reguarding additions or subtractions, we have your email. We just have not been able to update the site due to a ftp problem which I hope to get fixed up real soon!

Update: Rosters are all now final! Ignore the website at this point as we are experiencing some problems with the FTP. Thanks!

Trezeguet
October 13th, 2007, 07:33 PM
Hum, I have a suggestion.
How about 3 or 4pm Eastern Time (U.S.) Next Saturday (10/20/07) m/d/y
Some maps possible:
Anxiety
Lost Cove
Nightcamp CE
Casualty Isle
That's all I can think of for now. I'm still waiting on reply from some members.

king_nothing_
October 13th, 2007, 09:18 PM
rofl.

Yes, informing people that there are botters who are signed up for the league is such spam. The other league players don't have the right to know that...how silly of me.

Why are you really so flustered here? Because you think I'm spamming, or because I'm making your clan/friends/w/e look bad by exposing their screw-ups? Hmm...

If the only problems you have with my post is that it's off-topic and spammy, I guess you wouldn't mind me making a whole new thread dedicated to the subject, no? I can delete my post here and go make the thread right now if you'd like.

connorjb
October 13th, 2007, 10:35 PM
could we actually have it an hour or so later? I have to work next saturday and i am off at 3 (4 est)

STLRamsFan
October 13th, 2007, 11:09 PM
Are we still good for tommorrow? Just want to make sure as I'm currently setting up the server for guys. You guys are welcome to practice until gametime.

Edit: The folloing tags are required for non players (includes backups if they are not currently playing): Specs: [SPEC], Filmers: [FILM], Refs: [REF], and admins: [HCEL]. Thanks!

stankpot
October 14th, 2007, 02:11 AM
I can delete my post here and go make the thread right now if you'd like.
ok

Cojafoji
October 14th, 2007, 02:21 AM
Do it. I honestly signed up to say that you were being an idiot spammer. No joke. So get crackin' boy.

king_nothing_
October 14th, 2007, 10:23 AM
Hi. Two [FBI] members are verified botters. [FBI]Zodiac (http://hiv.h2vista.net/videos/FBI_ZoDiAc.wmv) and [FBI]Gumby (http://www.halonews.org/videos/foxaRius.wmv).

That is awesome.

http://hiv.h2vista.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=574

king_nothing_
October 14th, 2007, 10:24 AM
k.

Syuusuke
October 14th, 2007, 10:38 AM
Hi and

awww.

Teh Ganon
October 14th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Any other forums your exploiting this on...

king_nothing_
October 14th, 2007, 12:26 PM
?

STLRamsFan
October 14th, 2007, 12:42 PM
Good game all, D2T wins the series 2-0. Screenshots and a video will be posted soon. The offical win is still pending as we do an offical review to ensure the game was rightfully won (impostering for example).

And feel free to vote reguarding how the league scored.

Cojafoji
October 14th, 2007, 12:58 PM
Whoopee.

Pooky
October 14th, 2007, 12:59 PM
Oh hi. Way to troll instead of resolving that privately. gg.

NullZero
October 14th, 2007, 01:01 PM
what

Morkon
October 14th, 2007, 01:05 PM
Saturday works for me, but Zoltan, your forgetting that you're backup.
Tsunami is also good for next Saturday, so that makes 2 out of 5.

Skye said he can make it too, thats 3 out of 5.

InnerGoat
October 14th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Sending a PM to rams for him to ban the hash for each of them would have worked fine, tbh.

connorjb
October 14th, 2007, 09:29 PM
i know that morkon, but i want to be online during the match. And i think i got my timezones mixed up... im off at 3cst, i have no idea what that is in eastern standard time. I also want to be there so i can be a substitute if someone has something come up at the last minute.

InnerGoat
October 14th, 2007, 10:05 PM
I'm trying to see when my players can play. Only me and Wraith are free, no one else is responding on kod forums.I'm here. :smith:

Trezeguet
October 14th, 2007, 10:33 PM
The five guys that I want to play are available at 4PM EST next Saturday.
Now, I guess post what maps you guys want and gametypes.
I probably won't be available until Friday, so please so don't push this to next next Saturday. (10/27/07) m/d/y

I believe Tomclancey mentioned that he could not connect to Ram's server.
I, myself have not tried to connect to the server yet, so I will check it out sometime.

stankpot
October 15th, 2007, 12:30 AM
LOLOLLOOLOLOLOL at king:pervert:

El Lobo
October 15th, 2007, 11:27 AM
you keep asking on the hiv forums... no hivers go there any more cept dr :p


(and me)Forgot we had forums. Also, we're facing the Faces? lol

stankpot
October 15th, 2007, 01:31 PM
if you guys loose it would be lols :lol:

STLRamsFan
October 15th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Have you guys tried to connect by Direct IP? I remember the HIV server doing the same thing.

66.55.131.184:2302

InnerGoat
October 15th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Video, right click save as (http://www.h2vista.net/innergoat/stuff/dr/HCELeague2007_D2T_vs_DG.wmv)

Its 415megs and probably won't play well on some systems.

El Lobo
October 15th, 2007, 07:26 PM
if you guys loose it would be lols :lol:

"loose" what? Are we loosening a rope or something?

Please, clarify. ;)

Cortexian
October 15th, 2007, 08:03 PM
We have come up with the following maps:
No Remorse
Portent
Helix Canyon
Gallowspole

I also like Nightcamp CE. Lets get out maps before we set gametypes, we might as well set games types per map.

Trezeguet
October 15th, 2007, 08:39 PM
I have a problem with No remorse. I get an average of 20 FPS, with less than 10 at the start.
Portent's flag shader issues might cause problems. Plus I also get low FPS on that with more than 5 people in the server.
Helix Canyon might be an option, depends if the other 4 guys like it.
Gallowspole? Um, I don't know.

Okay, what does {HR} think of our suggested maps?

stankpot
October 15th, 2007, 10:37 PM
"loose" what? Are we loosening a rope or something?

Please, clarify. ;)
im just saying, "if" you loose its not gonna look good :eyesroll:

StankBacon
October 16th, 2007, 01:38 AM
:o

so when is this happening?

MDK HappyCamper
October 16th, 2007, 10:47 AM
Helix Canyon is ok, just dont fall in the crevasse cuz then your hog flips and you get lost and confused and become nade-bait.

Gallowspole is fine by me, its a hilly, gulchy map with a river across the middle leading from a little fort to a big waterfall. Theres an underground giving an alternate path between bases.

Jalpso
October 16th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Thanks Dr those were some gg's. Too bad I cant download it because I've used up all my bandwith :(

btw Rams, how are you gonna check that we haven't impostered?

SFX
October 16th, 2007, 04:07 PM
I was thinking check different servers and match Hashes.

InnerGoat
October 16th, 2007, 05:18 PM
If I was really bored i'd check them against the HIV server...

connorjb
October 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM
k so thats 2 HR members, morkon and xero, we got anymore?

Morkon
October 16th, 2007, 10:38 PM
zoltan, read the posts...
Ask Xero about gametypes/Maps, I really dont know or care about it.

Robz
October 17th, 2007, 01:45 PM
When can u guys get enough guys on to play these matches?

InnerGoat
October 17th, 2007, 04:01 PM
I don't think we can get enough, and i'd rather record the match than play anyways.

king_nothing_
October 17th, 2007, 04:18 PM
Won't be this week. Maybe next.

Teh Ganon
October 17th, 2007, 08:47 PM
So I believe we agreed upon this Friday between 5-7 est. Hopefully KOD can round up some members.

STLRamsFan
October 17th, 2007, 10:17 PM
Shame I'll be in Dallas... :smith:

I'll be sure to have someone there for you.

STLRamsFan
October 17th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Any luck at this point?

STLRamsFan
October 17th, 2007, 10:39 PM
How's the progress going?

STLRamsFan
October 17th, 2007, 10:41 PM
Have you guys agreed to a time? Just want to make sure as I've updated the map status thread.

FluffyDucky™
October 18th, 2007, 02:34 AM
Oh my god. Like there was no way that we didn't know this? And yea Coja, wooopppieeeeee. :D
What the hell was the point of this? Seriously..

Edit: I just realized, Gumby wasn't even in [FBI] when he got caught. Your acting as if he is a newly found aimbotter. His name wasn't even the same. It was one year ago. Wow, move on much... No one even knew him till recently. So no. He is not an aimbotter. And no, the phrase once a botter, always a botter is not true at all. Rams i love you, pass gumby bye. :)

Tata.

king_nothing_
October 18th, 2007, 11:45 AM
Edit: I just realized, Gumby wasn't even in [FBI] when he got caught. Your acting as if he is a newly found aimbotter. His name wasn't even the same. It was one year ago. Wow, move on much... No one even knew him till recently. So no. He is not an aimbotter.
Right, because as we all know, changing your nickname makes you a completely different person and removes all responsibility for past wrongdoings.

lol...

sw

Morkon
October 18th, 2007, 02:51 PM
We have it narrowed down to an hour, but I think 4 works the best. Personally, I'm flexible, so if it really matters to anyone, they should post it.

Morkon
October 18th, 2007, 02:56 PM
Agreed. I think people should take responsibility for what they do. I have 0 respect for botters, and I hear way too much "I wont do it again, honest!"

Morkon
October 18th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Has a date been set for this match? I'd like to know when it takes place.

Teh Ganon
October 18th, 2007, 03:36 PM
I would also like to ask why the [BB] server has the same ip as the old fbi killtacular server. If you look at the roster names its rather obvious who the members of BB are. Hopefully hash's are going to be checked yes?

king_nothing_
October 18th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Oh, and:


Oh my god. Like there was no way that we didn't know this?
I doubt everybody in this league knows about it.


What the hell was the point of this? Seriously..
To let everybody in this league know about it.

Cortexian
October 18th, 2007, 07:39 PM
Angel can't make it that early, thats like 2pm here... Can you push it back to around 8:00pm EST?

STLRamsFan
October 18th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Alrighty guys we're going to have a little civil debate here. Anything uncivil will be reported.

Due to the amount of debate about the aimbottting bannings, I will let you all give your two cents.
For any key hash that is currently banned, should I not allow them on the league? Or should I allow them to compete for the match with slightjackers watching them very closely?

I'm personally in favor of not allowing them to compete as I find it stupid for whatever reason.

Vote and let the debate begin.

MALadjusted
October 18th, 2007, 09:17 PM
Botters should be banned ...end of story. Even though I'm not in it this year...I believe aimbotting should be punished..regardless.

StankBacon
October 18th, 2007, 11:12 PM
leave the hash banned.

Syuusuke
October 18th, 2007, 11:13 PM
I'll just say something that I know I'll regret saying:

Just like the Button combos in Halo 2, Aimbotting in Halo 1 PC/CE is about to be the norm, but in the lesser sense.

Trezeguet
October 18th, 2007, 11:20 PM
No. If we play that late we will probably play with three players or less.

FluffyDucky™
October 19th, 2007, 08:57 AM
Why does everyone need to know about this? PM the league admins to ban their hash. I don't see the need to take this public. King, do you ever give people a chance? Whether it's in game or in real life? It's a game. Chill. He doesn't aimbot. He may have, but that doesn't mean that he continues to do so non-stop. I would see it fit that if you catch him under his current name [FBI]GuMby, then sure.. ban him. Just because he did, doesn't mean he still does. Thats like saying if someone tries it once which many good respected players have, that they will continue to do so. Whether been caught or not. It's bullshit.

Woot.

MDK HappyCamper
October 19th, 2007, 02:32 PM
I'm kind of indifferent, since having past botters under supervision wont hurt anyone's experience with the league, though I frown on botting as much as anyone else. Definitely exclude botters if we can't keep them sightjacked constantly.

What about wireframing? I've seen vids of it, and experimented with it on reco's sightjacker. Is there anything we can do to prevent framers from gaining unfair advantage?

Roth
October 19th, 2007, 02:43 PM
Dude wth uses wireframe? K you can see trough walls but everything gets too messy.

Roth
October 19th, 2007, 02:49 PM
The winner of this match will face d2t in the next round :D

Hurrr.

InnerGoat
October 19th, 2007, 04:17 PM
Wireframe is not a problem, as there are a few good ways to spot them. Not to mention maps being portaled making most of the map invisible to them anyways.
There is another hack out there that is quite a bitch to catch, though. :/

Pooky
October 19th, 2007, 04:21 PM
I'm for letting anyone who has botted in the past, but they confessed with some degree of dignity compete under watch. However, those people who botted then made a huge fucking dramabomb about it would probably try to cheat anyway, so leave them banned.

Pooky
October 19th, 2007, 04:27 PM
Why does everyone need to know about this? PM the league admins to ban their hash. I don't see the need to take this public. King, do you ever give people a chance? Whether it's in game or in real life? It's a really fucking old game. Chill. He doesn't aimbot. He may have, but that doesn't mean that he continues to do so non-stop. I would see it fit that if you catch him under his current name [FBI]GuMby, then sure.. ban him. Just because he did, doesn't mean he still does. Thats like saying if someone tries it once which many good respected players have, that they will continue to do so. Whether been caught or not. It's bullshit.

Woot.

Now I agree with this post

Bossniak
October 19th, 2007, 04:36 PM
If this was a PM I wouldn't have known. So thanks king for letting us know! :)

Bossniak
October 19th, 2007, 04:37 PM
Keep those bottas banned.

Cortexian
October 19th, 2007, 04:46 PM
That late? 8:00pm isn't late, w/e. One of our members is now having personal issues preventing him from playing, and if we can't play AT LEAST that late, then another one of our members wont' be able to make it.

Not this Saturday how bout'?

TeeKup
October 19th, 2007, 04:59 PM
Un-ban them? Are you kidding?

Most of the people who were banned for aimbotting were whiny children that denied the accusation in the first place. Don't be soft for those who fail to take responsibility for their actions and weak integrity.

However. SOME people have been able to show improvement from aimbotting. Some have stopped out right. If you can find those people they COULD be given a second chance, but with severe scrutiny.

TeeKup
October 19th, 2007, 05:05 PM
And no, the phrase once a botter, always a botter is not true at all.

Too true. I aimbotted once, guess what? I stopped. It's just a matter of coming to your senses.

This thread is going to accomplish nothing but spark a flame war, please lock it immediately. Also, grow up.

Trezeguet
October 19th, 2007, 06:00 PM
8 pm EST is late if you live in Europe.
So how about 2 am EST U.S Time?

Seeing as how one of our members is going to get a job, and probably wont make it any day after this weekend, we would have to wait until daj's season is over, which is like um, end of November?

Even, this Saturday, I'm not sure if anything has come up for the members that are planning to attend. This Saturday would be the best time for =EP=, if not we run the risk of playing with 3 members. (Any day after that. on Saturdays.)

This isn't just starters, this is the whole clan. Most of the members on our roster quit halo a long time ago, I just put them there, because they weren't sure if they'd make it.

Cortexian
October 19th, 2007, 06:26 PM
2am EST should work for us, unless your kidding, in which case, w/e It's still good for us. Seen as how it's the weekend, and most of our members aren't working. Our second best member can't make it until at least 8pm EST, and our third best is having personal problems right now which may prevent him from playing. That leaves me, our fourth and fifth best, and then backups. We could supply backups no problem, it's just that they would suck.

MALadjusted
October 19th, 2007, 07:32 PM
It sounds like a huge drain on the legit members of this community...to try to HAVE to watch these erm...individuals....constantley. cheat=ban I think a zero tolorance policy toward this is in order. Past botters who have stepped up and now are legit? mmmm theres a sore spot, it will always be in the back of your mind.

Trezeguet
October 19th, 2007, 07:37 PM
I was kidding about the time >.>
We are going to have low backups one or two.

I don't know, but hopefully we could work out something soon. Like before tomorrow.

Morkon
October 19th, 2007, 07:46 PM
2am EST should work for us, unless your kidding, in which case, w/e It's still good for us. Seen as how it's the weekend, and most of our members aren't working. Our second best member can't make it until at least 8pm EST, and our third best is having personal problems right now which may prevent him from playing. That leaves me, our fourth and fifth best, and then backups. We could supply backups no problem, it's just that they would suck.
Skyes good, Me and Death are training. tbh, at this point, I dont think we have a choice. I am fine with playing at 4PM EST.

FluffyDucky™
October 19th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Too true. I aimbotted once, guess what? I stopped. It's just a matter of coming to your senses.

This thread is going to accomplish nothing but spark a flame war, please lock it immediately. Also, grow up.

Love it. :D Love you teekup. :)

Syuusuke
October 19th, 2007, 10:55 PM
However. SOME people have been able to show improvement from aimbotting. Some have stopped out right. If you can find those people they COULD be given a second chance, but with severe scrutiny.

I happen to know one or a few...I think.

FluffyDucky™
October 19th, 2007, 11:39 PM
Rams, was this all about zodaic? If so, ban him. Gumby, leave him. I don't know of anyone else in the league that is under pressure by anyone because of aimbotting besides these two people.

Zodiac: Ban from league.
Gumby: Leave him alone.

Cortexian
October 20th, 2007, 12:40 AM
Anyone caught aimbotting is obviously irresponsible enough to be doing it in a private server. An aimbot is one of the worst ways to cheat in an FPS, and violates the EULA of pretty much any game.

If someone is caught cheating, it's because they were stupid enough to do so publicly, they are also not trust worthy enough to be given a second chance.

Cortexian
October 20th, 2007, 12:44 AM
Fine, we'll go with 4:00 PM EST (2:00 PM here, and like 8:00-ish PM in Europe?). I'll get a backup involved.

FluffyDucky™
October 20th, 2007, 01:39 AM
I don't agree with not giving a second chance. It's a game. Wow, cheat once and don't cheat again then what the fu#&#37; is so bad about that? I only say that for people who did bot along time ago, and haven't since. Like gumby. Other people who recently have, then no. They need to gain peoples trust back. Otherwise, why do you care so much? There is going to be HCEL spectators who can/will/should be sightjacking. There's nothing saying that someone who hasn't been caught will try to aimbot in the league. What about that? Too much fuss. Hush.

NullZero
October 20th, 2007, 08:03 AM
Zero Tolerance tbh. Too many botters around to be arsed to keep count of who's got a second chance etc.

Trezeguet
October 20th, 2007, 09:21 AM
Okay, now about the maps. Let me go talk to some people, if you or morkon are on xfire, I'll message you some info.

STLRamsFan
October 20th, 2007, 10:31 AM
Make sure you message Dr. and/or Terry to let them know. As I'm currently out of town for a wedding.

Trezeguet
October 20th, 2007, 10:52 AM
Okay.
Maps: (Includes {HR} suggestions)
Helix canyon CTF
Gallowspole CTF
Nightcamp CE CTF

If you want to do a slayer, I would remove nighcamp.

FluffyDucky™
October 20th, 2007, 11:07 AM
Zero this is for the league. Not for any random botter. And i would say it has become a "problem" now because of zodiac and for gumby, who has stopped botting, A YEAR AGO. It's so childish. Grow up people. You might as well have called this thread should we let zodiac and gumby play. I say it was pointless. Unles you can all give me names of people entered in this league, that are proven aimbotters. If not, over two people.. why make a thread like this? Seriously..

Syuusuke
October 20th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Because this thread was for also any potential future aimbotters and currently in the league?

InnerGoat
October 20th, 2007, 01:38 PM
So, decided on a date or what?

Trezeguet
October 20th, 2007, 02:33 PM
It was suppose to be today at 4PM EST.
About the maps, still waiting reply from {HR}.

Cortexian
October 20th, 2007, 02:55 PM
I like this:
Helix canyon CTF
Gallowspole CTF
Nightcamp CE CTF

If you guys will go with it, but like I said before, can we throw in one slayer game? Say the middle game?

Trezeguet
October 20th, 2007, 03:07 PM
We are fine in this order. About the slayer, is it a real problem if we don't do it?
I like CTF more.

InnerGoat
October 20th, 2007, 03:36 PM
As long as you all are happy with CTF only, then sure. Also, find a few people who want to sightjack and/or spectate if you want...




And use hogs a lot to look cool :awesome:

Trezeguet
October 20th, 2007, 03:49 PM
Those maps and gametypes should be final.
I'm rounding up members, should be in server soon.

Cortexian
October 20th, 2007, 06:25 PM
{HR} is fail this year, but it was REALLY close.

Congratulations =EP.

Trezeguet
October 20th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Yeah, close match. Both games were just by 1 CAP margin.

InnerGoat
October 20th, 2007, 06:36 PM
Yeah, EP won by like, 10 inches?

A shot from the raw clips. They be big :awesome:
http://www.h2vista.net/innergoat/stuff/dr/wmplayer%202007-10-20%2018-33-05-65.jpg

First map, helix canyon-

http://www.h2vista.net/innergoat/stuff/dr/haloce%202007-10-20%2017-30-38-46.jpg

And someone else can post the second game's screen. I need to go eat. :)

STLRamsFan
October 20th, 2007, 08:40 PM
Rams, was this all about zodaic? If so, ban him. Gumby, leave him. I don't know of anyone else in the league that is under pressure by anyone because of aimbotting besides these two people.

Zodiac: Ban from league.
Gumby: Leave him alone.

It actually has to do with the issue of Gumby, personally I don't believe he bots currently but I wanted to see what the overall opinion of the community before I make a decision. Zod is gone but Gumby is still up for debate.

FluffyDucky™
October 20th, 2007, 09:04 PM
There you go. Rams, a lot of the people in the league would have DEFIANTLY tried or used an aimbot, whether for a short period of time.. one game or two, or for say a week or w/e. So in that case, you should be looking at everyone. Now if you see it that way, over Gumby, which was a year ago.. is pretty pointless now. If your so fussed, and you don't even think he does, wheich he doesn't then just have someone watch him. Love you Rams. :D

Trezeguet
October 20th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Here is the second one.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4295/haloce2007102017214603ep2.png

MALadjusted
October 20th, 2007, 11:15 PM
There you go. Rams, a lot of the people in the league would have DEFIANTLY tried or used an aimbot, whether for a short period of time.. one game or two, or for say a week or w/e. So in that case, you should be looking at everyone. Now if you see it that way, over Gumby, which was a year ago.. is pretty pointless now. If your so fussed, and you don't even think he does, wheich he doesn't then just have someone watch him. Love you Rams. :D

Duck.....I don't think any member would use a bot out of defiance, defiance of what BTW. And there are members who have never botted, and never will..they go with the skill they have..somtimes it isn't much. Like in my case. If you feel you need an advantage over other players who are better then you , well you don't need to be here. I get my ass kicked on a regular basis by alot off people.......but I have fun, and so do they. I find that anybody who says I pwn u or some other asinine shit usually bots. And as for Gumby, I am watching him. oh and King got banned off the FBI server today, I think that was well, a little kindergartnerish. I really thought FBI was above that kind of bullshit ...really.

Syuusuke
October 20th, 2007, 11:24 PM
Well they banned king because they thought he was fake...didn't they? He didn't have that retarded looking ™ next to his name

NullZero
October 21st, 2007, 03:30 AM
Oh the excuses. Anyone can put the TM sign next to their name nowadays so if someone really wanted to impersonate him...

The poll looks quite decisive.

FluffyDucky™
October 21st, 2007, 04:01 AM
Duck.....I don't think any member would use a bot out of defiance, defiance of what BTW. And there are members who have never botted, and never will..they go with the skill they have..somtimes it isn't much. Like in my case. If you feel you need an advantage over other players who are better then you , well you don't need to be here. I get my ass kicked on a regular basis by alot off people.......but I have fun, and so do they. I find that anybody who says I pwn u or some other asinine shit usually bots. And as for Gumby, I am watching him. oh and King got banned off the FBI server today, I think that was well, a little kindergartnerish. I really thought FBI was above that kind of bullshit ...really.

Mal, there is also people that have used one. Im sure a bunch of people you respect highly have used one. Mal just chill.. people don't only try becasue they want to be better. People might want to know how it works, or what it does exactly, for themselves to understand. I know a lot of respected players that have tried it with those intentions. Now as i said.. Gumby doesn't.. and he hasn't for a long time. And you know that people who have used an aimbot can become good.. and i know you know that mal. And also, everyone takes different amounts of time to become skilled. Not everyone is the same. Just because one person may have taken a long time, doesn't mean that everyone else will too. ( Mal knows what i'm saying here. )

Just keep an eye out on him if anything. Otherwise i could say a few more that have used aimbots that are in the league that you should watch too. Ones that never got caught. But i won't because all that will do is cause more shit cause you all care too much about this. There's a sightjacker, if you think someone is aimbotting, watch him niggahz. Simple as that. Otherwise, shutup?

Lattaaaaaaaaaa :)

Masterz1337
October 21st, 2007, 07:59 PM
0 tollerance.

STLRamsFan
October 21st, 2007, 11:27 PM
I've made a decision reguarding Zod and Gumby:

Gumby:

He'll be allowed to compete. While he did bot, it was a year ago and I do believe he has proven himself. Plus, if he does bot he'll be caught and punished reguardless. While I do believe in 0 tolerance, I do believe in one thing. If you get a new hash and prove yourself then you'll partly forgiven. But as like the Scarlet Letter, you'll have a mark on you. I would have never known that Gumby had botted had it not been for Mal.
Therefor, Gumby will be allowed to compete. Unless you all believe we should put this up for a vote as I'm allowing Zod.

As I say, if you agree then it's all good.

[FBI]ZoDiAc
October 21st, 2007, 11:44 PM
WEll i was talking to Rams about me getting banned from the tourment and i ask him y am i kicked he says b/c i botted well ino i botted but i never bot, im a skill players and he told me to post a vote. he says its up to the Community if i should ban or unban its up to the Community.

STLRamsFan
October 21st, 2007, 11:46 PM
I figured this was the right thing to do. I'm allowing this poll to go on until the noon of Friday (eastern).

Xetsuei
October 22nd, 2007, 12:09 AM
No, you should not be allowed to stay in the tournament.

Pooky
October 22nd, 2007, 12:28 AM
eh... i cant really decide so I voted yes. I mean, I believe you that botting in that game was a very distasteful prank, but you did bot... and recently.

GuMby™
October 22nd, 2007, 12:33 AM
I think he should be allowed in the tournament. The reasoning for his botting was stupid. He dosent bot though and did it for pure lol's and to make some people mad which was wrong and he knows that now. But he has came a long ways from the old days when I played with him and hes a good legit player. Just a little immature at times. Thx Rams for letting him do this poll to :D laters

MALadjusted
October 22nd, 2007, 01:11 AM
you are allowing zodiac to compete....even if it was a horribly unintelligent joke...and in bad form as he is a member of FBI......he used a bot....its on video......he admitted to it. cmon. >:(

king_nothing_
October 22nd, 2007, 01:26 AM
I've made a decision reguarding Zod and Gumby:

Gumby:

He'll be allowed to compete. While he did bot, it was a year ago and I do believe he has proven himself. Plus, if he does bot he'll be caught and punished reguardless. While I do believe in 0 tolerance, I do believe in one thing. If you get a new hash and prove yourself then you'll partly forgiven. But as like the Scarlet Letter, you'll have a mark on you. I would have never known that Gumby had botted had it not been for Mal.
Therefor, Gumby will be allowed to compete. Unless you all believe we should put this up for a vote as I'm allowing Zod.

As I say, if you agree then it's all good.
Just for the record, it wasn't a year ago when he was caught botting, it was this past February.

And honestly, I don't get why someone should get a second chance simply because they went and got a new CD key (two new ones in Gumby's case). I really just don't see the logic in that. If you're going to allow him to play you might as well allow every person on our list of botters to play...

FluffyDucky™
October 22nd, 2007, 01:44 AM
No King you are wrong. Gumby is not a diclhead like the whole bunch of others on that list. He did not have a huge cry about it on the hiv forums either like all those other noobs, and he has never done anything to anyone in the community. He may have a bad past with you, but that is personal. If you can't handle one ex botter who is great guy, and is not a dickhead/noob or whatever then shame on you. I'm sure you will get over it. There's a lot of people known to have botted who no one really cared about and now are good players. King, relax.. you really need to open your eyes and see it in the way i see it, because this situation is not the same as it would be for all the other idiots on the aimbotters list. Also, February, it has almost been 9 months, 3 off a year.. thats enough time for him to have stopped and become good without an aimbot. And Rams is not letting him play just because he got a new hash, are you stupid? Rams clearly stated that he himself does not think gumby aimbots anymore, he also thinks he is a fairly good guy, and that he has proven himself to most of the community. I would say the ones that aren't stubborn. And i agree with him. Leave gumby alone, as i have said for the one millionth time. :beating:

Edit:


you are allowing zodiac to compete....even if it was a horribly unintelligent joke...and in bad form as he is a member of FBI......he used a bot....its on video......he admitted to it. cmon. >:(

He isn't letting him. He is putting it all up to us, as a vote.

FluffyDucky™
October 22nd, 2007, 01:49 AM
Zod, sorry i love you and all.. but it was a stupid thing to do. I know i did stick up for you, but this is what comes from doing stupid things like this, whatever your reason may be. You must now learn from this mistake. Therefor sorry but i think you should be out of the league this time round, because if you are let in then it will be like you have cheated not only using aimbot, but cheated your way out of what so many others had to put up with because they used it too. It just would not be fair. Sorry bro, gotta deal with it, work your way back up. :)

InnerGoat
October 22nd, 2007, 10:46 AM
Uh, no.

stankpot
October 22nd, 2007, 12:51 PM
I've made a decision reguarding Zod and Gumby:

Gumby:

He'll be allowed to compete. While he did bot, it was a year ago and I do believe he has proven himself. Plus, if he does bot he'll be caught and punished reguardless. While I do believe in 0 tolerance, I do believe in one thing. If you get a new hash and prove yourself then you'll partly forgiven. But as like the Scarlet Letter, you'll have a mark on you. I would have never known that Gumby had botted had it not been for Mal.
Therefor, Gumby will be allowed to compete. Unless you all believe we should put this up for a vote as I'm allowing Zod.

As I say, if you agree then it's all good.
what about a non botter :U

stankpot
October 22nd, 2007, 12:54 PM
Hopefully KOD can round up some members.
LLOLOLOLLOLOLLLLL


I'll be sure to have someone there for you
:confused:

stankpot
October 22nd, 2007, 12:55 PM
Won't be this week. Maybe next.
thats what they always say :(

stankpot
October 22nd, 2007, 12:58 PM
i thought it was only 5v5 not 4v4 :O

sexy kid
October 22nd, 2007, 02:18 PM
ban, he still has a bot on his pc... gg?

sexy kid
October 22nd, 2007, 02:20 PM
Why does everyone need to know about this? PM the league admins to ban their hash. I don't see the need to take this public. King, do you ever give people a chance? Whether it's in game or in real life? It's a game. Chill. He doesn't aimbot. He may have, but that doesn't mean that he continues to do so non-stop. I would see it fit that if you catch him under his current name [FBI]GuMby, then sure.. ban him. Just because he did, doesn't mean he still does. Thats like saying if someone tries it once which many good respected players have, that they will continue to do so. Whether been caught or not. It's bullshit.

Woot.

wow he aimbotted, now i have proof of when he says he 'doesnt bot'

sexy kid
October 22nd, 2007, 02:22 PM
LOL AT AIMBOTTING WITH FRG

Teh Ganon
October 22nd, 2007, 02:54 PM
I believe its up to his team whether or not he plays, seeing as he has not botted in an official match. If he plays and bots, well then it was his teams fault for choosing to allow him on the roster. Honesty you really think that this league will be 100&#37; fullproof? I don't support it, but its possible for him to just play under a different name on the fbi roster. Or in fact, WHO DO YOU THINK [BB] is. In the end, there will be nothing stopping him. The only things would be his team, or choosing just not to play.

STLRamsFan
October 22nd, 2007, 03:32 PM
Gumby is in as I feel he has proven himself enough. While he does have a mark (think the Scarlet Letter), he hasn't been caught botting for a long time. Plus, we'll catch him botting reguardless if he does.

In Zod's case, he botted during the time of the league. While I would ban him, I figured allowing him to put up a poll would be fair enough.

This thread has served its purpose, locked.

Pooky
October 22nd, 2007, 04:24 PM
If you're going to allow him to play you might as well allow every person on our list of botters to play...

You know, I checked out your list of botters pretty extensively and most of the video links are broken and don't work anymore... I'll bet you can't even prove half the people on that list botted. And really, why do you care so much? It's a game, not Nazi Germany. Instead of making these huge ego soaked botter lists... you could go live your life or something crazy like that. :eyesroll:

Bossniak
October 22nd, 2007, 04:26 PM
LLOLOLOLLOLOLLLLL


:confused:

Was your post needed?


Anyway. I contacted some members. Most said, they are fine on Saturdays. I'll just need to tell them in advance.

Terry
October 22nd, 2007, 05:53 PM
You really shouldn't, to be fair. You should not have botted as most people will completely doubt your legitimacy from now on, even if you do play legitimately now.
I hope you do understand, and no hard feelings and all. But if we were to let you play, alot of the people who also botted before might try to use it as an excuse to try to play in the league. To avoid confusion, you really should not be allowed to play.
It also doesn't help that you botted fairly recently which makes it hard for some to believe that you wouldn't do it again. Remember, that not everyone knows you and your character and what your intentions (whatever they were...) may have been by using the aimbot.

Just my 2 cents.
Sorry Zodiac, but you do not have my vote.

Tweek
October 22nd, 2007, 06:01 PM
i have no idea who you are, but the way you wrote your post made me vote yes.

Syuusuke
October 22nd, 2007, 06:18 PM
ZoDiAc;177662']well ino i botted but i never bot.

Something's wrong with that...

Robz
October 22nd, 2007, 06:19 PM
HIV, What time can u guys play this week?

Cortexian
October 22nd, 2007, 06:53 PM
Ban.

If you get caught botting, it means that you were doing it a public server. Which is cheating and most certainly against the terms of the EULA.

Cortexian
October 22nd, 2007, 06:56 PM
I'd like to know if any of the footage from the match is going to be complied into a movie? I'd like to have a nice video to reflect on, and check what we did wrong.

Bossniak
October 22nd, 2007, 07:09 PM
I'm sure dr. recorded some. :P

[FBI]ZoDiAc
October 22nd, 2007, 07:22 PM
Something's wrong with that...
it means like i botted king for fun i was on teamspeak with gumby and addict i told them i was going to bot king just to piss him off but im not a botter i dont cheat in scrims or Pups i just did for 2 min to piss king off.

MALadjusted
October 22nd, 2007, 08:12 PM
well metroid, ive never met you in CE that I recall, but you quite possibly if you post alot here on these forums must have spent some time modeling maps and what not yes? for the people like well me and king to play on....do you see what I'm saying here?
And really, why do you care so much? It's a game, not Nazi Germany. Apparently you care enough to sit there and point and say "you have no life" on a forum pretty much dedicated to the halo community. most if not all those people on that list have moved on to other names as CE is not that big of a community. I bust botters becouse like this fellow thanked me for it...becouse he didn't like being botted...and he knew it.

http://www.hiv.h2vista.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&p=12664#p12664


Instead of making these huge ego soaked botter lists... you could go live your life or something crazy like that. :eyesroll:

ego soaked ? no sir.

A life? yes sir I have a good one....But I spend alot of time gaming becouse its fun...and relaxing....god I need a spell check.....and I have chosen FPS, and halo as my main game . for now.....till they come up with somthing better...which they havent. thank you.

Pooky
October 22nd, 2007, 08:20 PM
well metroid, ive never met you in CE that I recall

am Pooky.

InnerGoat
October 22nd, 2007, 11:00 PM
I just finished uploading a quarter resolution version so shitboxes can play it smoothly. The full 1920x1080 version would make them blow up. :D

Enjoy. (right click, save as, etc) (http://www.h2vista.net/innergoat/stuff/dr/HCEL2007_EP_vs_HR_low.wmv)


The full resolution one is like 380mb and i'll get around to that later. I won't be uploading the nearly lossless version though. Its 1GB. :awesome:

king_nothing_
October 23rd, 2007, 12:11 AM
You know, I checked out your list of botters pretty extensively and most of the video links are broken and don't work anymore... I'll bet you can't even prove half the people on that list botted. And really, why do you care so much? It's a game, not Nazi Germany. Instead of making these huge ego soaked botter lists... you could go live your life or something crazy like that. :eyesroll:
You're talking entirely out of your ass, buddy. Most of the links are broken? I can't prove half the people in the list botted? You're ridiculous. I just checked over the entire list. Out of 126 links to proof in that list, nine of them are broken, and many of those which are broken I still have on my hdd (so I'll be able to fix some of the links). So much for your "extensive" checking.

And I care because these people ruin the game for the legit players by cheating them. Oh, and nice reference to Nazi Germany...so original and relevant. Ever heard of Godwin's Law? Yeah, I didn't think so.

"Ego soaked botter list?" What the fuck does catching cheaters have to do with my ego? Jesus Christ. I do it because I don't want them playing...simple as that.

I can tell by your posts in this section that you know next to nothing about the issues you are making posts about, yet time and time again you feel the need to throw your two cents in...despite how unknowledgeable and worthless they have been thus far. If you care (and know) so little about the issues at hand, stop replying to the threads about them.

MALadjusted
October 23rd, 2007, 12:17 AM
doesn't change anything.....but that I know you now.......and I really don't understand why you posted what you did. Oh ya your FBI now....I understand fully why you posted what you did. Apparently FBI likes botters. And to keep with the post this is a debate so a rebuttle is in order ..yes?

Pooky
October 23rd, 2007, 12:28 AM
You're talking entirely out of your ass, buddy. Most of the links are broken? I can't prove half the people in the list botted? You're ridiculous. I just checked over the entire list. Out of 126 links to proof in that list, nine of them are broken, and many of those which are broken I still have on my hdd (so I'll be able to fix some of the links). So much for your "extensive" checking.

And I care because these people ruin the game for the legit players by cheating them. Oh, and nice reference to Nazi Germany...so original and relevant. Ever heard of Godwin's Law? Yeah, I didn't think so.

"Ego soaked botter list?" What the fuck does catching cheaters have to do with my ego? Jesus Christ. I do it because I don't want them playing...simple as that.

I can tell by your posts in this section that you know next to nothing about the issues you are making posts about, yet time and time again you feel the need to throw your two cents in...despite how unknowledgeable and worthless they have been thus far. If you care (and know) so little about the issues at hand, stop replying to the threads about them.

You've definitely got a penchant for arguing, but given that you've only posted a few times in these forums, you're hardly qualified to call everything I've ever said misinformed and worthless. I did check that list quite some time ago, and it's very possible most of the broken links were fixed since then... there's not really any way for me to prove or disprove that. And I'm sorry if you don't find my reference original or relevant but I'm still not really sure where you get off thinking you need to police a game.

It's not so much that I care little about the issue at hand, as I happen to like Zodiac and don't want him to get shut out of everything over a stupid mistake. Rather, I find your attitude about an old computer game... excessive, at best.

king_nothing_
October 23rd, 2007, 12:31 AM
You've definitely got a penchant for arguing, but given that you've only posted a few times in these forums, you're hardly qualified to call everything I've ever said misinformed and worthless.
That's not what I said. I was talking about your posts in this section (Halo CE League Discussion).

Pooky
October 23rd, 2007, 12:33 AM
Okay, I stand corrected on that point.

MALadjusted
October 23rd, 2007, 12:46 AM
but I'm still not really sure where you get off thinking you need to police a game.


No......keepin it real son.


You've definitely got a penchant for arguing,

why yes I do...shall we continue?


It's not so much that I care little about the issue at hand, as I happen to like Zodiac

well your an idiot....open your eyes.


don't want him to get shut out of everything over a stupid mistake.

Stupid mistake? cmon that was outright retardation...... "ooooo ima bot king in a public server, that will fix his dumb ass." are you kidding pooky?


I find your attitude about an old computer game... excessive, at best.

Fine. then get out of the stupid year 2000, old computer Halo game.
thank you Maladjusted

Pooky
October 23rd, 2007, 12:49 AM
No......keepin it real son.



why yes I do...shall we continue?



well your an idiot....open your eyes.



Stupid mistake? cmon that was outright retardation...... "ooooo ima bot king in a public server, that will fix his dumb ass." are you kidding pooky?



Fine. then get out of the stupid year 2000, old computer Halo game.
thank you Maladjusted

...what?

I didn't say a word to you, I was talking to King.

Also, how does saying someone has an excessive attitude about a game mean I now have to hate it too? :I

MALadjusted
October 23rd, 2007, 01:29 AM
ok...you posted on a public forum...in a debate......and ...your on the other side of the debate....your fair game.

FluffyDucky™
October 23rd, 2007, 02:01 AM
OMFG, shutup. Stop turning this shit into arguments. This is not going to go anywhere. Vote and end it. And Zodiac is prepared to not play so stop arguing when it's over.

MALadjusted
October 23rd, 2007, 03:27 AM
did you actually read what you just posted? just wondering.

MALadjusted
October 23rd, 2007, 03:28 AM
oh...and ducky SHUT THE FUCK UP! k now vote.

MALadjusted
October 23rd, 2007, 03:32 AM
The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 1 characters.
boy i really fucked this one up......meh.Okay (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?p=178047#)

NullZero
October 23rd, 2007, 04:40 AM
ZoDiAc;177882']it means like i botted king for fun i was on teamspeak with gumby and addict i told them i was going to bot king just to piss him off but im not a botter i dont cheat in scrims or Pups i just did for 2 min to piss king off.

18 votes to 7.

Reading
October 23rd, 2007, 01:06 PM
Ban. :cop:

king_nothing_
October 23rd, 2007, 01:31 PM
ZoDiAc;177882']i botted king for fun

ZoDiAc;177882']i told them i was going to bot king

ZoDiAc;177882']but im not a botter
orly.

Syphur
October 23rd, 2007, 06:03 PM
Hey Zodiac whats up? I would just like to say something coming from playing with Zodiac for nearly 9 months now. It started as enemies and then friends and then clanmates and out of all those months I have never once seen Zodiac bot. SO it only makes since to me that he did only bot to piss king off and that was it not to cheat just to piss someone off. If you ever catch him botting in a scrim or a clan war or anything in that nature then that is concern for banning but just to piss someone off??? You can sightjack him all you want I can guarantee that you won't ever see him bot again. That is just from my 9 month experience so I voted NO.

Syphur
October 23rd, 2007, 06:10 PM
You know Rams this has just turned into a huge flamming war now and from my personal opinion was a stupid idea for just 2 people. You got people insulting other people here and that sure as hell ain't right. Well now everybody knows that Gumby botted so long ago but if your going to banner botters then he needs to go as well. I think you should state this rule from now on out if you get caught botting your out. Stopping looking to people's pasts because I know at somepoint we have or have wanted to use a bot either out of curiousity or for lack of skill. I mean I've botted in the past to does that make me a bad person? I did it in the HIV server but it was out of curiousity not because of lack of skill. I still got caught and am now banned and I did deserver that cuz I was being stupid but still does that mean that I bot now??? It sure as hell does not I haven't used a bot since. I think Gumby should stay as should Zodiac and make a rule from this point out. I know Zodiac and he isn't a botter for lack of skill he used it to piss off king. Everyone knows its easy to piss of king with a bot. SHould this one incident kill his career??? I'm voting NO

Syphur
October 23rd, 2007, 06:32 PM
Hey king can you prove that I bot instead of botted months ago? Just curious because if you can I would be blown away. I'm just like Gumby so that raises the question do you got something against Gumby? I mean King I been playing in your server for a couple months now with a new cd key and new name and I haven't been banned once so what does that mean...humm I wonder umm maybe I don't bot. I'm glad you catch botters king beacause they piss me off probably more then do to you . I am willing to admit that I did bot while using sightjack on another computer to see what sightjacker was but enough for reason I did bot once end of story I don't anymore and havn't since that day. Hate me if you want I still play in your server

Trinx
October 23rd, 2007, 06:38 PM
Nope. Still no response yet.

Syuusuke
October 23rd, 2007, 06:40 PM
I say let me make my Syuubot.

king_nothing_
October 23rd, 2007, 07:24 PM
Hey king can you prove that I bot instead of botted months ago? Just curious because if you can I would be blown away.
I don't need to, nor do I care to. You already botted and were caught once. What do you expect me to do, remove all the people on the aimbotters list who were caught x number of months ago, and then go out and try to catch them again? lmao.


do you got something against Gumby?
Yeah, I do; he botted.


I mean King I been playing in your server for a couple months now with a new cd key and new name and I haven't been banned once so what does that mean...humm I wonder umm maybe I don't bot.Actually, it could mean one of two things. You haven't botted, or you did but nobody caught you.

Thanks for the heads-up about you getting a new CD key, by the way. If I figure out what it is I'll be sure to add it to the list.

Trezeguet
October 23rd, 2007, 07:59 PM
Isn't it VVD? Not WD?
Anyways, I'm not sure how much time you might give inactive clans.
I found some youtube video of this "vvd" clan. I'm pretty sure they are these guys with Jose and whatever.
Other than youtube, I've never seen this clan playing CE.

TheElf
October 23rd, 2007, 08:06 PM
Great job Dr. you are the best :cool:

Syphur
October 23rd, 2007, 08:24 PM
LMFAO good luck trying to figure out which one is me just know I play on your server VERY often :) oh and if you do figure out which one is me you can't just ban me can you? You gotta catch me doing something. Or that would be unfair. I don't expect you to unban people just cuz they did it a long time ago you have every right to ban whoever you want for whatever reason I mean you pay for the server so do whatever. SO i guess I answered my own question lol you can ban me even if I wasn't doing anything. But seriously though good luck finding me :P

king_nothing_
October 23rd, 2007, 09:09 PM
oh and if you do figure out which one is me you can't just ban me can you? You gotta catch me doing something. Or that would be unfair.
rofl. You were already caught botting. How many times do I have to say that?

You think I need to catch you botting a second time just because you got a new CD key? lmao. That makes sense...

Syphur
October 23rd, 2007, 09:34 PM
I know but new name you wouldn't be able to tell it was me so the only way you can catch me is by banning everyone that ever comes in your server on a regular basis. Thats what I was saying gotta learn to read between the lines and understand lmao and I need to back to school lawl

Boba
October 23rd, 2007, 11:03 PM
Who's this.

king_nothing_
October 23rd, 2007, 11:05 PM
Wow, we have a real winner here.


if you do figure out which one is me you can't just ban me can you? You gotta catch me doing something. Or that would be unfair.

You said if I figure out it is you I can't just ban you. I responded to that in my last post, and then you say:


I know but new name you wouldn't be able to tell it was me so the only way you can catch me is by banning everyone that ever comes in your server on a regular basis. Thats what I was saying gotta learn to read between the lines and understand lmao and I need to back to school lawl

Can you not see the gigantic fucking error in logic there?

Nice job.