Xbox 360 Jasper

[Atty]

Dean Takahashi has the scoop on the next Xbox 360 revision after Zephyr and Falcon.

Jasper is the code name for the next motherboard for the Xbox 360. It will becoming next August, in time for next year’s holiday season. Jasper is going to have a 65-nanometer graphics chip from ATI Technologies, as well as smaller memory chips. That isn’t much information, but it’s enough to tell us about their cost-reduction plan. If you ask me, it’s a bit of a slow pace.

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[jahrain]

... another 360 revision? It looks like they are running out of names.

[Hotrod]

Aren't they coming out with a 45nm chip in 2009? That's what it says in my Xbox 360 magazine.

[Atty]

Quite possibly.

[Mr Buckshot]

45nm chip is possible, but not confirmed, plus it would take a long time to appear.

Yeah, I've been expecting the 65nm GPU as well. Currently, the Halo 3 edition X360 is the first to have the 65nm CPU be widely available, but the GPU didn't get the upgrade.

Once the new GPU is out, I think I'll buy a Core 360 and transfer my hard drive over (I have the old premium 360 with no HDMI).

[Pooky]

Too bad they couldn't just wait and get it right the first time... all these Xbox 360 revisions are getting annoying.

[jahrain]

Yeah, i could understand how frustrating it must be to buy one. You wait wait and wait until a new revision of the xbox360 comes out, then by the time you finally get the newest version, another revision is announced...

[Masterz1337]

You're all retards. Every console has revisions. The PS2 has like, 9.

[Pooky]

But the PS2 wasn't such a piece of shit when it was first released that everyone had to replace theirs 5 times :downs:

And even the latest revisions of the 360 still give people problems

[Nick]

Too bad they couldn't just wait and get it right the first time... all these Xbox 360 revisions are getting annoying.Revisions happen for every single electronic device created. Your television, your PMP, your cell phone, your mouse, and your toaster. Revisions occur to reduce manufacturing cost (pass on savings or improve revenue), improve reliability (reduce support costs), and resolve hardware issues. They add nothing new functionally, they simply revise (revision, get it?) existing functionality for the previously listed reasons.

Sometimes you know that a hardware revision occurred, but most often you do not; the only hint, typically, that a hardware revision occurred is a change in the serial number format. For some reason, the home entertainment console industry, or at least the press that covers it, has a hard-on for pointing out every little hardware revision. By a stroke of the same wisdom, many ignorant customers of said industry have a similar hard-on for whining about their existence.

The warranty exists to cover hardware issues. If an issue occurs, send the electronic device in and have it repaired. Quite simple, really. Yeah, you may not like having something break and having to enter a UPS Store may piss you off, but failures do happen with all electronic devices. It sucks, it's life, deal with it.


Yeah, i could understand how frustrating it must be to buy one. You wait wait and wait until a new revision of the xbox360 comes out, then by the time you finally get the newest version, another revision is announced...No revisions are announced, they are leaked or noticed. Regardless, it does not matter if a new revision is coming out, the devices in stores work just fine and that is all that matters to sane consumers. Revisions have no new features or improved system performance; they don't sneak in extra RAM or put in 4GHz CPUs for laughs.


But the PS2 wasn't such a piece of shit when it was first released that everyone had to replace theirs 5 times :downs:Actually, the PS2 was quite a huge piece of shit, maybe you're too young to remember. The DVD drives were horrible, I went through three PS2 replacements (two of which cost me $110 each, and no refund was given when it was proven to be a widespread problem), giving up after the fourth unit died.

My pre-launch Xbox 360, however, still runs perfectly fine. I have played the hell out of it and it's running as good as on day one. You are now going to tell me that I am an exception and most launch units have broken. Sorry, wrong. While RRoD is a widespread issue, working launch units are hardly in the minority. Moreover, Microsoft extended the warranty to cover such issues and refunded people who paid out-of-warranty fees previously, something Sony never did with their original faulty PS2s.

If by some stroke of bad luck your pre-revision hardware breaks down, you simply exercise your warranty and receive a post-revision unit that is even less likely to have an issue than your previous unit. There is absolutely no reason to believe that one has to wait until the last hardware revision before getting a device, as the vast majority of unrevised units work just fine and revisions only reduce the potential of having issues.

Nick

P.S. I really could care less if a fence-sitter doesn't buy an Xbox 360 because they think they need to wait for a revision before it's "safe" to get one. Actually, it is mildly entertaining to know that I will be enjoying a ton of great games on my pre-launch unit while some fool waits four years to enjoy the same content.

[Masterz1337]

Nick, you forgot to tell Jahrain that each PS3 revision CUTS features. Like, playing PS2 games :-p

[Kornman00]

I have a 360 back home that I bought last thanksgiving. As far as I know, my family hasn't broken it as I haven't heard any complaints. Gee, wonder why they haven't had a RROD?

Bought a 360 again back when the Halo 3 beta came out so I didn't have to entrust the postal system to the handling of my other 360. Still works like a fucking dream. I also use that fan you plop on the back (the one that goes over the actual power port). I also happen to keep that huge power brick about three feet away from the actual xbox. I also don't put my 360 on the fucking carpet. I keep it on a flat hard surface, same for the power brick. The longest play I give the system is about 6 or 7 hours at times. Speaking of, I feel like a little Halo 3 now. Thanks alot Nick >_>

[Mr Buckshot]

I keep my 360 on the wooden floor (my living room lacks a carpet) and with lots of room to breathe (when I turn it off, then I put it away in a tight space). After hearing about the high failure rate a while back, I set up a small fan to blow at the 360 every time I use it (I don't trust the intercooler - they say that if you forget to turn it on when it's connected, say goodbye to the console).

If I play in my room (like when there are guests around) I place my 360 on a wooden table right under the air-conditioning since my room is carpeted, and I turn on the air-conditioning.

Seriously, these revisions should not make you decide to wait a while - you'll miss out on many great titles, not just Halo 3 (or you could wait 2-3 years for a shitty PC port). While the revisions will make the console cooler and less prone to breakdown, there are many ways to prevent breakdown with the old 360.

Also Masters it's only the 40 GB PS3 that lacks PS2 support, and besides the emulation can be added via online downloads from the Playstation Network. I plan to buy a 60 or 80 GB PS3 by December anyway.

[Nick]

Also Masters it's only the 40 GB PS3 that lacks PS2 support, and besides the emulation can be added via online downloads from the Playstation Network. I plan to buy a 60 or 80 GB PS3 by December anyway.It is only the case with the 40GB PS3 for now and the 60GB PS3 will not be available for much longer (US (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/) / UK (http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/scee-ps3-60gb-nixed-for-uk-too-307651.php)). Also, Sony has stated that backwards compatibility will not be added later (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/08/scee-no-plans-to-offer-ps2-backwards-compatibility-later-as-dlc/) via a download on the PSN.

As for your Xbox 360, Buckshot, while you have good practices, I think you go a little bit overboard. Just give it a square foot of breathing room and it should do just fine. Mine sits in a cabinet under my TV in a 2ft x 2ft x 2ft space with a hole in the back. Though I did forget to open the door once during the Halo 3 Beta and it shut itself off, flashing red; an ice pack wrapped in a towel sitting on it for about 10 minutes remedied the issue and there have been no problems since.

Nick

[Mr Buckshot]

whoops I was wrong, I got it confused with the fact that there's still support for downloaded PSX games from the PSN >.<

Yeah I go overboard, but it's the old 360 with no HDMI or new heatsinks. Like I said, once Jasper is out, I will buy a Core system and transfer over my hard drive.

[Masterz1337]

Just blanket your 360, then send it in for repairs. They'll upgrade your chipset. Meanwhile, go to Gamestop, get a used 360, then you can return it for a full store credit refund. Everyone wins.

[FRain]

But the PS2 wasn't such a piece of shit when it was first released that everyone had to replace theirs 5 times :downs:

And even the latest revisions of the 360 still give people problems



Yes, they do. Like barely tapping my 360 and it mutilates the CD. :(

[jahrain]

Revisions have no new features or improved system performance; they don't sneak in extra RAM or put in 4GHz CPUs for laughs.
Yes but die shrinks imply better reliability from cooler more efficient performance. The RROD epidemic on the xbox360's are due to the system running too hot. Most people never really know or care about most revisions on devices because the problems or issues they fix or revise are never really noticed or no one really cares about it. As for the 360, the problems it had/has such as scratching disks and RRODs are a whole different story.

[Masterz1337]

Moving a 360 while it's standing up isn't the brightest idea. It's like punching a pregnant women and asking why the baby is all fucked up.

[jahrain]

Moving a 360 while it's standing up isn't the brightest idea. It's like punching a pregnant women and asking why the baby is all fucked up.
Slightly moving a 360 while its standing isn't always intentional.

It would be pretty fucked up if every child came out fucked up from someone slightly bumping into the mother while she was pregnant wouldn't it?

[Masterz1337]

Have you looked at our nations test scores?

[Pooky]

You are now going to tell me that I am an exception and most launch units have broken.

No, I wasn't. Sorry, wrong.

Rest of the post made sense though.

[Nick]

Yes but die shrinks imply better reliability from cooler more efficient performance. The RROD epidemic on the xbox360's are due to the system running too hot.Yes, it improves reliability. I already said that, read my post in full. No, it does not improve system performance; games will run the same on old Xbox 360s and revised ones.


Most people never really know or care about most revisions on devices because the problems or issues they fix or revise are never really noticed or no one really cares about it. As for the 360, the problems it had/has such as scratching disks and RRODs are a whole different story.I guess you, too, are too young to recall the PS2 DVD drive issues.

Also, you should be smart enough to realize that the internet was not nearly as prominent years ago as it is now. The vocal minority kicks and screams and shouts until they are heard; the internet does a great job of facilitating this and exacerbating the noise to an unimaginable level. There have always been hardware failures, sometimes major ones, you just didn't hear about it as much years ago.


Slightly moving a 360 while its standing isn't always intentional.Well, if you lack the faculties necessary to avoid touching a device that is in-use at high speed, simply lay the console down instead of having it stand upright - problem solved. The console was designed to be used in both the vertical and horizontal positions, you know. Also, there are large warning labels regarding potential scratching while the disc drive is in-use, which is pretty sad if you ask me; what happened to common sense?


No, I wasn't. Sorry, wrong.Well then, I apologize. That is the most common response when someone remarks that they have a working console; don't you just love internet FUD?

Nick

[jahrain]

Yes, it improves reliability. I already said that, read my post in full. No, it does not improve system performance; games will run the same on old Xbox 360s and revised ones.
Actually die shrinks do usually improve performance (by small amount) by reducing access time and transmission delays. Your right about games will typically run the same, because the performance increase isn't large enough to notice, and the clock speed is still the same. But I never implied better performance, I simply said cooler more efficient performance. The cooler performance of the system comes from the efficiency of the die shrink. Or maybe you were just intentionally trying to twist my words into a way to make them incorrect so that you could find something to argue with.


I guess you, too, are too young to recall the PS2 DVD drive issues.
When did I mention the PS2? I waited until the ps2 slim before I ever purchased a ps2.


Also, you should be smart enough to realize that the internet was not nearly as prominent years ago as it is now. The vocal minority kicks and screams and shouts until they are heard; the internet does a great job of facilitating this and exacerbating the noise to an unimaginable level. There have always been hardware failures, sometimes major ones, you just didn't hear about it as much years ago.
I'm smart enough to realize you just fully paraphrased Phil Harrison's main typical defense against all the ps3 bashings he is confronted with in his interviews.



Well, if you lack the faculties necessary to avoid touching a device that is in-use at high speed, simply lay the console down instead of having it stand upright - problem solved. The console was designed to be used in both the vertical and horizontal positions, you know. Also, there are large warning labels regarding potential scratching while the disc drive is in-use, which is pretty sad if you ask me; what happened to common sense?
Don't tell me this, find a way to portray this to the layman xbox360 owner who has some friends over for gaming and one of them accidentally tugs on the controller, slightly moving the console completely unaware that it will grind up his game disk shortly after. Apparently common sense went out the window when the xbox360 was designed to scratch your disks for not following directions.

[Masterz1337]

All xboxes have break-away wires. So that it can't be knocked over. Also FriedMetroid and I brought up the PS2, N- wasn't talking to you.

[Zeph]

Too bad they couldn't just wait and get it right the first time... all these Xbox 360 revisions are getting annoying.

What do you care? It's still a 360 and will play the game just like the revisions before it and the revisions after it. The PS2 was much worse than the 360. It's gone through more revisions; each of which being much more substantial. Unfortunately, the newer revisions seem to have brought up more problems than they solved. The new super slim PS2s have an insane percentage of failures when it comes to controller power. An ex-g/f of mine had three fry on her in a single day. She just kept taking them back to wal mart to get them replaced. They thought she was vandalizing them at first, but I talked to a person I knew in the electronics department and he got it exchanged again.

[Pooky]

What do you care? It's still a 360 and will play the game just like the revisions before it and the revisions after it.

Honestly, I don't care as I probably won't be getting one. But I'd be rather annoyed if I got one and it just broke like that.

[Pooky]

How the hell is that flame baiting or trolling? You really are a terrible moderator.

Oh and nice job editing your post with all that extra crap after

What do you care? It's still a 360 and will play the game just like the revisions before it and the revisions after it.in a blatant attempt to hide the fact that your post was far more of a flame than mine was

[PlasbianX]

How the hell is that flame baiting or trolling? You really are a terrible moderator.

Oh and nice job editing your post with all that extra crap after
in a blatant attempt to hide the fact that your post was far more of a flame than mine was

Ive found most of Zeph's infractions are just complete Bullshit. Example, the infraction he gave (i believe it was supersunny.. or patrickssj6) for his use of sarcasm. Wow. Sarcasm on the internet gets you an infraction? Amazing. </3 Zeph.

I dont think im gonna get a jasper. Im fine with my current console.

[Pooky]

Same here... except mine is a PC :O

I'll just wait for GoW PC then I'm good :3

[Mr Buckshot]

Yeah guys, just get a 360 right now if you have the money instead of waiting for Jasper. Jasper is less prone to breakdown, but it's too long a wait, and unless you want to patiently wait for the PC version of Halo 3, you'll be missing out.