The Japanese just got more awesome.

[OmegaDragon]

Japanese military to develop Gundam (http://www.tobeasian.com/2007/10/30/japanese-military-to-develop-gundam/)

http://www.tobeasian.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/gundam.jpg


The Japanese Ministry of Defense is exhibiting at their symposium something called “Toward the realization of Gundam” which is categorized under “Land equipment”. The Department of Ground Systems Development further called it the “Towards The Realization Of Gundam (Advanced Personal Equipment Systems)” on their PDF program (http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/infomation/happyou/main.htm). Is Japan really thinking on building mechas?

Many have already voiced how the plan would be unfeasible due to power required for these mechas and how expensive the R&D will cost. But, Hey! It’s Japan we’re talking about, they’re the 2nd largest economy in the world and if their scientist are as creative as their anime artists, they’ll find a way.

Mechas being imployed in the military has always been a subject of talk in the Otaku community, but will fantasy finally become reality? Will we be seeing a giant, human piloted Asimo running around in Japan in the near future? Who knows…More sources:
Here (http://www.dannychoo.com/blog_entry/eng/1211/Gundam+Defends+Japan/)
Here (http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1048823.html) (Translated version) (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.livedoor.jp%2Fdqnplus%2Farchiv es%2F1048823.html)
Here (in translation) (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamenews.ne.jp%2Farchives%2F200 7%2F10%2Fpost_2793.html)

Some Japanese PDF file that relates to the program.***PDF WARNING*** (http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/infomation/happyou/Program.pdf)


Discuss the movement of the japs making of giant robots for battling purposes.

[Con]

lol, yeah right :awesome:

[rossmum]

This has to be a joke.

Oh wait, we're discussing Japan.

[DrunkenSamus]

Any minute now...Teekup's gundam senses will be tingling any second now.

[Skiiran]

Any minute now...Teekup's gundam senses will be tingling any second now.
Dude, will this thing be able to fly in SPACE?

Because that would be epic. All in space with automatic guns shooting small tank-size shells.

[Xetsuei]

This is probably the most idiotic thing I've ever seen.

[DaneO'Roo]

Rofl, my theory of Japans secret plan for world domination is becoming a reality.

They've pretty much stretched their islands as far as they can, in terms of space and resources. I won't be surprised if they make a shitload of these and decide to overrun some other country...

Sure, they'd use alot of power, but once they totally own a country, it won't be a problem. I mean, srsly, what the fuck are m16's and the like going to do against THOSE fucking things.


Or


America and Japan go into a partnership with these things and decide once and for all to overrun Iraq, Iran, Korea, etc.

Please, call me stupid, but I really don't doubt it.

[n00b1n8R]

wouldn't walking tanks be rather impracticle >_>

and why would they make a weapon in macbook pearl white <_<

BS if you ask me.

[DaneO'Roo]

durr, so it goes with their fucking ipods n00b.

But severely clashes with their PS3's http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-colbert.gif

[n00b1n8R]

another reason why the wii is > the PS3?

[DaneO'Roo]

Well, The Wii creates sturdy forearms for safe fapping, so yeah.

[Tweek]

cool :P

somewhere, i hope this is real, just for the sheer awesomeness of it all xD
that image looks 100&#37; fake though

[thehoodedsmack]

Ugh. This better not be real, otherwise the Japanese are being too silly. Imagine trying to explain this to other militaries.

Japanese: We are deveroping giant battle suits!
Americans: ......srsly?
Japanese: Yeah.
Americans: lol

What happens when the enemy blows off the legs, considering they're clever enough not to build a Gundam?

[Tweek]

then it becomes 5 seperate airplanes!

POWER RANGER STYLE

[rossmum]

Yeah, walkers are so incredibly fucking impractical it's not funny. They're huge targets, they're highly unstable, and they suck ass at sudden movements you'd need to undertake on the field. Not to mention they're more or less impossible to conceal and they'd be fucking bullet-magnets.

One well-placed shell would destroy that thing's combat effectiveness and pose a serious threat to anything standing nearby.

[Reaper Man]

Yeah, but you're ignoring the most important factor. It's fucking cool. That alone is enough justification for the Japanese. :haw:

[n00b1n8R]

then it becomes 5 seperate DINOSAUR SHAPED airplanes!

POWER RANGER STYLE

FTFY :haw:

[Reaper Man]

Needs moar Japanese school girls tbqh.

[ExAm]

I mean, srsly, what the fuck are m16's and the like going to do against THOSE fucking things.JDAMs. 'Nuff said.

[Emmzee]

Will we be seeing a giant, human piloted Asimo running around in Japan in the near future? Who knows…
No, because Japan's demilitarized.
:hist101:

[nooBBooze]

Also, tentacles.

[Amit]

Also, tentacles.

and....?:lol:

[TeeKup]

Any minute now...Teekup's gundam senses will be tingling any second now.

I WANT A SITREP NOW, SOMEONE FIND ME THE SCHEMATICS FOR THE RX-79 [G] Ez-8!

Lol no but seriously. Until we develop more advanced metals, today's materials couldn't withstand the weight of their armor, the structural integrity would give weigh within moments.

The more practical mech's out there are the ones from MechWarrior and possibly Armored Core.

If any of you want an explanation to the flashy moves gundams make, its most likely that those are animations pre-programed into the mobile suit's OS. Even if we could do it today, it would take years to script the internal OS within a Gundam. Then again mechs from MechWarrior are partially controlled by the pilot via Neuro Implants.

Trust me, we'll be lucky to see mechs by the year 2300.

However, it would certainly benefit us in the future if we get a jump start on it now. :-3

[PlasbianX]

Thats off scale. Id say its atleast 40&#37; shorter than it should be.. but that could be due to the amount of energy it would need.

[TeeKup]

No that gundam prop is actually how big an average sized gundam would be in reality.

Also, unless the Minovsky particle effect is actually realised, then a gundam could easily be taken out by anti tank missiles from afar.

If you know the original gundam plot, they we're created because of the Minovsky Particle Effect, in short, it disables most radar guidance systems.

[ICEE]

they'll probably only let skirt wearing schoolgirls pilot them. the mechs will also use ridiculously large swords, because those are SO much better then guns. :rolleyes: crazy Japanese.

[Phopojijo]

Rofl, my theory of Japans secret plan for world domination is becoming a reality.

They've pretty much stretched their islands as far as they can, in terms of space and resources. I won't be surprised if they make a shitload of these and decide to overrun some other country...

Sure, they'd use alot of power, but once they totally own a country, it won't be a problem. I mean, srsly, what the fuck are m16's and the like going to do against THOSE fucking things.


Or


America and Japan go into a partnership with these things and decide once and for all to overrun Iraq, Iran, Korea, etc.

Please, call me stupid, but I really don't doubt it.The Middle Easterners will just shoot it with a rocket and it'll fall down... big woop.

Cue the curtain!

[DaneO'Roo]

But then it fires lazars and blowses the rawket up durrr

[PlasbianX]

But the true question....


Will it blend?:raise:

[Flyboy]

And I thought the United States had a bad government.
But the true question....


Will it blend?:raise:

Everything blends...except Chuck Norris.
I WANT A SITREP NOW, SOMEONE FIND ME THE SCHEMATICS FOR THE RX-79 [G] Ez-8!

Lol no but seriously. Until we develop more advanced metals, today's materials couldn't withstand the weight of their armor, the structural integrity would give weigh within moments.


From what I know about the show (not much) aren't they some kind of space ship. If they are, then the hull shouldn't collapse because of the lack of gravity. Still, this is a totally useless design.

[HDoan]

Watching one of those attempting to go up a hill would be funny, timber!

[n00b1n8R]

But the true question....


Will it blend?:raise:
:lmao:

awesome post.

[Skiiran]

Mechs are entirely pointless. The only ones that would not be useless would be something like Striders, but even then, a strider is a living thing, not programs and metal. Plus, it is still an enormous target. Sure, that armor can take a lot, but I doubt it could withstand, say, a battleship or destroyer shell.

[jahrain]

LOL

If anything, it would just be for show, not really for military defense. Actual usage for defense would be completely impractical. It would be extremely slow due to the extremely high amounts of energy it would take to change velocities of parts, and forget about it even attempting to fly. In combat, a few Ewoks with some rope could probably bring it down.

[Zeph]

Lol, I know the artist who made that. It's at least seven or eight years old and is part of a series where mobile suits were integrated into a seemingly real life scene.

And you wont see mobile suits used practically until space is colonized. Tanks and airplanes are much more practical for ground warfare. Then again, you never know how far robotic advances will reach in the future. I've seen some of the un-classified robotics work the army is doing and it's in "uncanny valley".

[TeeKup]

And I thought the United States had a bad government.

Everything blends...except Chuck Norris.

From what I know about the show (not much) aren't they some kind of space ship. If they are, then the hull shouldn't collapse because of the lack of gravity. Still, this is a totally useless design.

Gundams are giant robots..

[Zeph]

Gundams are giant robots..
No, they're large armor in typically bipedal form. They're essentially no different than walking tanks. They need a pilot and that makes them not robots.

[Pooky]

Many have already voiced how the plan would be unfeasible due to power required for these mechas and how expensive the R&D will cost. But, Hey! It’s Japan we’re talking about, they’re the 2nd largest economy in the world and if their scientist are as creative as their anime artists, they’ll find a way.

:lol:

[ExAm]

Gundams Mobile Suits are giant robots..Gundams are a specific class of Mobile Suit :eng101:

[itszutak]

GAWDAMNIT NEEDS MOAR FRACKIN EVANGELION

RAWWRAAAAH

>:(((

[NeiaG]

what people really need are spartans. they can take out a mecha easily:hist101:. or we can just make a couple snow speeders.........

[Leiukemia]

If they're going to make a giant warsuit, then they should at least make a practical design. All that flashy shit would serve no purpose other then looks, and would make it heavier. Also, there's really no reason for the thing to even have a head, because the pilot could simply fit in the body area. Something more like the bots from the battlemechs games makes a lot more sense if they we're really going to do this.

[Skiiran]

GAWDAMNIT NEEDS MOAR FRACKIN EVANGELION

RAWWRAAAAH

>:(((
You want gigantic rogue angel-things ripping around our cities?

Striders, people.

[rossmum]

You want gigantic rogue angel-things ripping around our cities?

Striders, people.
Yes.

[TeeKup]

Gundams are a specific class of Mobile Suit :eng101:

Shut up you knew what I meant. >_>;

[Stormwing]

Hey, if they can pull off anti-orbital artillery like this, I'm ALL for it :)

http://www.maj.com/gallery/Solarix/Random/lockonomgsniper.jpg

And yeah, the first pic is a shoop that's been around for a long time. If the stuff Japan comes up with ends up being anything like the grunt units from the newest Gundam series, it would definitely be massive win.

[Emmzee]

Why this Japanese mecha program is going to fail:

Ewoks.

[Skiiran]

Why this Japanese mecha program is going to fail:

Ewoks.
This is why you use Hunter packs.

THEY'RE WORKING IN PACKS.

[Boba]

If this is real, this is the most useless piece of shit ever made. THIS IS WHY THE OTHER PLANETS MAKE FUN OF US. ;-;

[jngrow]

Haha, I bet it will end up working flawlessly, and we will all get killed for making fun of them.

[rossmum]

Hey, if they can pull off anti-orbital artillery like this, I'm ALL for it :)

[pic]
SOOOOO pointless. Why not just use a mobile tracked vehicle, it'd be a damn sight more stable and much stronger...

[Bastinka]

It's slow, and a tank could probably blast off it's leg causing it to fall. The humanoid shape does have flaws, you know..

[Zeph]

Took a while to track a copy of the gallery (http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/index3.html) down, but I found it. Here are some more along the lines of what you saw:

http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki005.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki009.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki013.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki015.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki018.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki020.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki022.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki025.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki026.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki027.jpeg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki033.jpg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki035.jpg
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki039.jpg

[Botolf]

Ya, it sounds like a cool idea, until you realize that those things have lolhueg profiles, and they're walking missile-bait.

[Skiiran]

It's just a really bad idea overall. Any competent missile defense network could down one before it got even within country X's airspace.

EDIT:
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini&#37;20gundam/katoki/images/katoki036.jpg
Are you shitting me? There have been a dozen movies that show what happens when you try that shit.

[Xetsuei]

Haha, I bet it will end up working flawlessly, and we will all get killed for making fun of them.

I can't tell whether you're serious or not, but damn I hope you aren't.

[Stormwing]

ross: except that it's SO MUCH MORE BADASS :awesome:

oh and some more like Zeph's:
http://www.maj.com/gallery/Solarix/Mecha/1164189214297.jpg
and shopped onto a tarmac
http://www.maj.com/gallery/Solarix/Mecha/1156899574170.jpg

[TeeKup]

^ Cool but the second pic is so pathetically obvious.

The first one is Epyon Gundam correct?

[TeeKup]

For those of you who want to browse the entire gallery, here it is:
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini&#37;20gundam/katoki/index.html

[NeiaG]

if anyone believes those are real they're an idiot. for something that big would need really thick armor, thick armor equals alotta weight, and altta weight will make it very slow, plus it at too much of a risk of falling over when goin that fast. and how would it fly? I know a plane can fly, but were talkin about something that could carry a rocket launcher, has alotta machinery in it, and i dont think plane engines would do the trick

[Xetsuei]

if anyone believes those are real they're an idiot. for something that big would need really thick armor, thick armor equals alotta weight, and altta weight will make it very slow, plus it at too much of a risk of falling over when goin that fast. and how would it fly? I know a plane can fly, but were talkin about something that could carry a rocket launcher, has alotta machinery in it, and i dont think plane engines would do the trick

Unless you strapped a couple of GE90-115B's to it, but that would use an ungodly large amount of fuel.

[NeiaG]

which would boost global warming by far.

[TeeKup]

I'm going to intervene and thrust some logic into this subject. As an example I'm going to use the RX-79 [G] Ez-8.
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/08thmsteam/rx-79gez-8.jpg

Model number: RX-79[G]Ez-8
Code name: Gundam Ez8
Unit type: ground combat mobile suit
Manufacturer: Earth Federation Forces
Operator: Earth Federation Forces
Rollout: UC 0079
First deployment: UC 0079
Accommodation: pilot only, in standard cockpit in torso
Dimensions: head height 18.0 meters
Weight: empty 51.5 metric tons; max gross 71.7 metric tons
Armor materials: lunar titanium alloy
Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1380 kW
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: 53000 kg total
Performance: maximum thruster acceleration 0.74 G
Equipment and design features: sensors, range 5900 meters; optional parachute pack, can be mounted on backpack rack
Fixed armaments: 2 x 35mm machine gun, fire-linked, mounted in head; 12.7mm vulcan gun, mounted in chest; 2 x X.B.Sa-G-03 beam saber, stored in recharge racks in legs, hand-carried in use
Optional fixed armaments: RGM&#183;S-Sh-WF/S-00116&#183;Ap-A shield, mounted on either forearm
Optional hand armaments: NF&#183;GMG-Type.37/100mm machine gun, clip-fed, 2 spare clips stored on hip armor; P.B.R-0079/A12 S-0000204 beam rifle, powered by rechargeable energy cap

As the Earth Federation Forces concentrated their manufacturing efforts on the production of their new mass-produced RGM-79 GM (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/msgundam/rgm-79.htm) units during the latter months of the One Year War, those mobile suits already fielded had to make do with what few materials were available. Since the RX-79[G] Gundams (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/08thmsteam/rx-79g.htm) were themselves built using spare parts, there were no more spare parts left to effect repairs to heavily damaged units, and field engineers had to literally rebuild mobile suits with whatever they could find. When Ensign Shiro Amada's RX-79[G] (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/08thmsteam/rx-79g.htm) was trashed in an attempt to stop Zeon's prototype Apsalus II (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/08thmsteam/apsalus2.htm) mobile armor in November UC 0079, the Kojima Batallion's engineers and mechanics rebuilt his mobile suit with many improvised modifications.

The RX-79[G]Ez-8 Gundam Ez8 (short for "extra zero-eight") retained the same beam sabers in the legs, as well as the standard RX-79[G] (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/08thmsteam/rx-79g.htm) hand armaments. However, its other fixed weapons were changed out, with a pair of 35mm machine guns mounted in the head and a turret-mounted 12.7mm anti-personnel machine gun in the chest. The Ez8's armor plating and placement was improved overall, and the traditional Gundam "V-fin" on the head was replaced with a sturdier communications antenna. The Ez8 did retain the backpack equipment rack from the standard RX-79[G] (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/08thmsteam/rx-79g.htm), allowing it to keep its ability to mount parachute packs or other field equipment options.

I've heard of Gundam's needing to refuel only a handful of times, and those were in Gundam Wing and other AU series. It's my understanding that the gundam operates directly off its nuclear reactor, any conventional fuel would AT LEAST be Hydrogen Fuel Cells or something to that accord. If you know about Mobile Suits as me and Zeph do, they're actually quite environment friendly......without the weapons. Throw in energy weapons such as a particle cannon, then you can have contamination issues.

Most mobile suits do not have flight capability, there are exceptions to those who have the proper wing structure and power output. But other than that these things cannot fly. In any scene where you have seen a mobile suit that even vaguely looks like its flying, I assure you, it isn't. It's falling.

[Skiiran]

That doesn't change the truth in the fact that if the thing took a step forward it would fall.

[Huero]

No, it wouldn't; all the weight is on the bottom.
Look at how big the legs are in comparison to the chest,

[Agamemnon]

Arguing semantics over a fictional cartoon.

http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/s/sarcasticclap.gif

[Xetsuei]

which would boost global warming by far.

No, it's emissions are extremely low for a gas turbine engine.

[ExAm]

It's falling.Unless it's using its jump jets. :downs:

[Agamemnon]

Gogo, gadget arms! :downs:

[TeeKup]

Unless it's using its jump jets. :downs:

In which they are quite boost-jumping and still not flying. A 71.7 ton mobile suit cannot fly without proper power output or wing structure, of which there are very few.

[Xetsuei]

In which they are quite boost-jumping and still not flying. A 71.7 ton mobile suit cannot fly without proper power output or wing structure, of which there are very few.
Only 70 tons? One GE90 could easily get that into the sky.

[Zeph]

It's just a really bad idea overall. Any competent missile defense network could down one before it got even within country X's airspace.

EDIT:
http://www.gundamuniverse.it/immagini%20gundam/katoki/images/katoki036.jpg
Are you shitting me? There have been a dozen movies that show what happens when you try that shit.

Durr, why do you think I didn't show that? These are mainly art profiles to show off the designer's TV series. The more abstract the series (G Gundam in this case), the more abstract the events that take place (a multi-ton mass standing on top of a skyscraper).


if anyone believes those are real they're an idiot. for something that big would need really thick armor, thick armor equals alotta weight, and altta weight will make it very slow, plus it at too much of a risk of falling over when goin that fast. and how would it fly? I know a plane can fly, but were talkin about something that could carry a rocket launcher, has alotta machinery in it, and i dont think plane engines would do the trick
Be careful sir, you might fall into your idiot hole. Your mind thinking with today's industrial progression might just do that. Also, take some art classes and learn about how light falls on an object.


which would boost global warming by far.
I take it back. You sir, are an idiot.


That doesn't change the truth in the fact that if the thing took a step forward it would fall.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/zeph483/t-rexpwn.jpg


In which they are quite boost-jumping and still not flying. A 71.7 ton mobile suit cannot fly without proper power output or wing structure, of which there are very few.
Correct. Mobile suits are essentially engines with arms and legs. The engines of the F-22 put out 156kN of force. Just sticking one F-22 engine onto the mass of the Ez8 (see above) would give an initial velocity of .002 meters per second and a final velocity of .003 meters per second. Yeah, too much mass for such a small engine, so it wouldn't "fly". Using a GE-90 would yield an acceleration of about .008 meters per second with a mass that large.


Gundam is ancient by todays means. It was thought of by terms and known technologies of the time. They had little knowlege of super modern alloys, and quite honestly, the creators had only a slight grasp of physics. I'll be blunt and just say it. The people who made Gundam were art majors and had little sense of physics. I mean, come on, in Zeta they had a mobile suit grab onto a rocket booster from a high altitude air platform and ride it up to a higher point in orbit. When they realized Gundam was a cult success and went to expand the universe, they didn't take scientific development into account when they gave technical statistics. And why should they? It is fiction after all.

The F-14 was developed in the late 1960s and over time it's empty weight was about 20 metric tons. The empty weight of the F-35 is only 12 metric tons. In the fiction, mobile suits evolved from zero gravity construction units. Now I will agree with the numbers provided a generation ago to accompany a fiction just doesn't compute, but does anyone really think there wont be a decently scaled walking armor with thrusters on it to help it maneuver in difficult terrain in the future? The army is working on it at a smaller scale already minus the boosters.

[Agamemnon]

LMAO, did you just try to use a DINOSAUR as an example to "prove" your point? Just, LMAO. :lol:

[Skiiran]

LMAO, did you just try to use a DINOSAUR as an example to "prove" your point? Just, LMAO. :lol:
He was trying to argue that, since we now know that Dinosaurs could walk, run, etc. un-awkwardly, it is proof that one day soon we will have the mechanical and electronic knowledge to make a seventy-ton object walk, in a natural fashion, mind you, in mimicry of a human. Which is bullshit, by the way, because the two have no relation to each other.

[rossmum]

:words:
protip: 35mm automatic weapons are known as automatic cannon

in fact I'm pretty sure anything over about 14.5mm is


In which they are quite boost-jumping and still not flying. A 71.7 ton mobile suit cannot fly without proper power output or wing structure, of which there are very few.
Jumping takes a hell of a fucking lot more thrust than flying... :confused2:


He was trying to argue that, since we now know that Dinosaurs could walk, run, etc. un-awkwardly, it is proof that one day soon we will have the mechanical and electronic knowledge to make a seventy-ton object walk, in a natural fashion, mind you, in mimicry of a human. Which is bullshit, by the way, because the two have no relation to each other.
Dinosaurs didn't even stand like that picture illustrates, so that logic fails right there. Bipedal dinosaurs were built almost exactly like modern-day ducks (though some still retained the reptilian hip), and most certainly did not walk upright. Like ducks, they used their tail as a counterbalance, and moved with their spine roughly parallel to the ground (albeit somewhat less clumsily). Balancing an upright 70-odd ton robot would be entirely different.

[nooBBooze]

..right. idk if the aerodynamics of a man-shaped robot would allow fuel efficient flying. of course, if it&#180;d would be up against al gores robot army, it might wouldnt matter.
if anything, those awkward robot desings should stick to ground combat for psychological warfare. if the enemy scores a ballshot on em and they tip over, massive waves off lol will disrtacte them.

also,
behold mighty mechagodzilla!

http://buriedtreasuresjpeg1.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/Mechagodzilla.jpg

[Agamemnon]

He was trying to argue that, since we now know that Dinosaurs could walk, run, etc. un-awkwardly, it is proof that one day soon we will have the mechanical and electronic knowledge to make a seventy-ton object walk, in a natural fashion, mind you, in mimicry of a human. Which is bullshit, by the way, because the two have no relation to each other.
Wait, dinosaurs, little that we actually know about what they looked like, their behavior, and how they moved, mostly because we weren't around, some how translates "fact" into a fictional Japanese cartoon?

Do you see the LULZ now? :lol:

[Zeph]

LMAO, did you just try to use a DINOSAUR as an example to "prove" your point? Just, LMAO. :lol:

I'm saying such a massive object can indeed walk. The point argued before was if such a large thing took one step, it'd fall over either because of imbalance or structural stress. If you guys understood anything about design, you'd see I chose the image because it is of a large creature that is standing in an incredibly awkward way. Humor ftw, you guys.

http://www.scenta.co.uk/Gadgets/1701196/walking-robot-goes-mountaineering.htm
http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/19/toyotas-i-foot-human-controlled-walking-robot/
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/big-walking-robot/1910372509

And for the non-believers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae06LFa3i38

edit: moar links

A bit of old and newer footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEbxhy9qa8M
It used to be smaller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5uFY48Uh4M
It learns!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBSK7LYpg9w
More old less new of bigdog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bExqhhWRI

[Xetsuei]

Long post.

If the gundam weights 70 tons (140,000 lbs) and the GE90-115B can put out about 120,000 lbs of thrust, that's about a .86:1 power to weight ratio. I don't think it would go that slow unless it didn't have wings.

[rossmum]

If you guys understood anything about design, you'd see I chose the image because it is of a large creature that is standing in an incredibly awkward way.
Except they never stood in that way at all :confused2:

[Skiiran]

I'm saying such a massive object can indeed walk. The point argued before was if such a large thing took one step, it'd fall over either because of imbalance or structural stress. If you guys understood anything about design, you'd see I chose the image because it is of a large creature that is standing in an incredibly awkward way. Humor ftw, you guys.

Well...

That doesn't change the fact that that is a biological creature which took hundreds of millions of years to evolve.

I mean, what we're really all WTFing at is your attempt to use man-sized machines and large animals to somehow PROVE that a large man-sized machine can somehow stride forward at a lively pace without killing itself.

[ExAm]

I'm sure it could, but it would need some ungodly strong alloys and exceptionally high-output powerplants, not to mention one insanely powerful balancing computer with extremely sensitive gyros.

[Skyline]

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1851/97394222yx4.jpg
I don't see why you would compare a machine to a dinosaur but ok. The T-rex evolved to fit it's resources. It has sharp teeth to eat trees ;).

[Bodzilla]

I don't see why you would compare a machine to a dinosaur but ok. The T-rex evolved to fit it's resources. It has sharp teeth to eat trees ;).
ORite, the hole Garden of Eden thing :rolleyes:

[TeeKup]

I'm sure it could, but it would need some ungodly strong alloys and exceptionally high-output powerplants, not to mention one insanely powerful balancing computer with extremely sensitive gyros.

Like I said earlier in the thread, Gundams cannot become a reality until we develope stronger alloys. We should end this discussion at that.

Until someone develops Gundanium alloy or Luna Titanium Alloy then we won't be seeing these things for a long, long time.

[Skyline]

ORite, the hole Garden of Eden thing :rolleyes:
How do you get the garden of eden threw evolution. I do recall catholics rejecting evolution.

[Kornman00]

*jumps late into the thread*

I'm saying such a massive object can indeed walk. The point argued before was if such a large thing took one step, it'd fall over either because of imbalance or structural stress. If you guys understood anything about design, you'd see I chose the image because it is of a large creature that is standing in an incredibly awkward way. Humor ftw, you guys.

For those of you attacking this quote right herre^

Imagine your an ant (or an antlion if your name is rossmum).

Now, Imagine you see a human.

Thats a pretty fucking big difference in scale don't ya think?

"Wonder how that human walks :downs:?" says you
"Magic" says the human as he raises his left foot, balancing on the right leg with his muscular muscles who are contracting and expanding to meet the requirements needed to balance the weight the human poses from two to one leg.
*squash* you say as that left foot comes down on you, all while the muscles in the right leg continuously shift to keep the balance the human needs to stay vertical.
"Pwned" the human says while walking away only to trip over himself because he has yet to finish puberty and adjust to his longer legs.

Mother nature proved it can be done. But that doesn't mean its the best solution for all cases. We were designed (ummm, not saying by a SUPERIOR mind you) to walk, run, creep in all sorts of postures because it was needed for our survival as a race. A Dino like a t-rex is a giant compared to a bunch of other Dinos of the time and really just needed to run have a big ass mouth and teeth to catch and rip the skin off their prey to eat them. Not to mention a tail to knock out the more difficult bastards

[Agamemnon]

I'm saying such a massive object can indeed walk. The point argued before was if such a large thing took one step, it'd fall over either because of imbalance or structural stress. If you guys understood anything about design, you'd see I chose the image because it is of a large creature that is standing in an incredibly awkward way. Humor ftw, you guys.

http://www.scenta.co.uk/Gadgets/1701196/walking-robot-goes-mountaineering.htm
http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/19/toyotas-i-foot-human-controlled-walking-robot/
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/big-walking-robot/1910372509

And for the non-believers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae06LFa3i38

edit: moar links

A bit of old and newer footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEbxhy9qa8M
It used to be smaller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5uFY48Uh4M
It learns!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBSK7LYpg9w
More old less new of bigdog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bExqhhWRI
Yeah, those were all definitely of the design of a fictional Japanese cartoon walking robot. :rolleyes:

HAY GUYS, LOGIC DICTATES THAT IF SMALLER THINGS CAN DO IT, THEN SO CAN THINGS THE SIZE OF SKYSCRAPERS.

And just for the sake of argument, why would any military waste money and the resources to build crap like that, especially when it can be easily taken out?

[ExAm]

*jumps late into the thread*

For those of you attacking this quote right herre^

Imagine your an ant (or an antlion if your name is rossmum).

Now, Imagine you see a human.

Thats a pretty fucking big difference in scale don't ya think?

"Wonder how that human walks :downs:?" says you
"Magic" says the human as he raises his left foot, balancing on the right leg with his muscular muscles who are contracting and expanding to meet the requirements needed to balance the weight the human poses from two to one leg.
*squash* you say as that left foot comes down on you, all while the muscles in the right leg continuously shift to keep the balance the human needs to stay vertical.
"Pwned" the human says while walking away only to trip over himself because he has yet to finish puberty and adjust to his longer legs.

Mother nature proved it can be done. But that doesn't mean its the best solution for all cases. We were designed (ummm, not saying by a SUPERIOR mind you) to walk, run, creep in all sorts of postures because it was needed for our survival as a race. A Dino like a t-rex is a giant compared to a bunch of other Dinos of the time and really just needed to run have a big ass mouth and teeth to catch and rip the skin off their prey to eat them. Not to mention a tail to knock out the more difficult bastardsDon't forget that that kind of thing doesn't necessarily carry over to even larger things. A human ten times your size would need stronger bones and muscle material to withstand his own weight. If he were, say, a mile tall, his entire structure would collapse in on itself, due to the inherent weakness of the molecular structure of his components. Just as you can make a little robot the size of a tennis ball with light plastic, that same robot cannot be scaled up and still work if it is using that same plastic.

[Skiiran]

Don't forget that that kind of thing doesn't necessarily carry over to even larger things. A human ten times your size would need stronger bones and muscle material to withstand his own weight. If he were, say, a mile tall, his entire structure would collapse in on itself, due to the inherent weakness of the molecular structure of his components. Just as you can make a little robot the size of a tennis ball with light plastic, that same robot cannot be scaled up and still work if it is using that same plastic.
There is actually a really good article on this and how things just really cannot work with their natural resources at a certain level.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Size.html

Scroll down to Case Study: B-Movies. The best part is the following:


Moral of the story? Godzilla shouldn't survive. His bones should shatter, his epidermis should rip open like an overinflated water balloon, and his guts should spill all over the streets of Tokyo. Alternatively, if we decide to suspend disbelief, we can only look at him and speculate that he must have bones of structural steel and skin like armour plate. Oddly enough, this means that the more "realistic" fleshy and vulnerable Godzilla in the recent Matthew Broderick film is actually less realistic. If Godzilla exists at all, he must be quite literally built like a tank.
All hail Godzilla! King of the monsters.

[Bodzilla]

How do you get the garden of eden threw evolution. I do recall catholics rejecting evolution.
i was having a joke lawl, Chillax
also i remember seeing Creationist Museums(sp?) saying that Dinosaurs lived in the Garden of eden, and like all animals in the garden, they where Herbivores(more Sp?).
and heres where u came in.
"to eat trees"
:/

which brought me to a memorable Quote from a scientist responding to the creationist museums.
"look at the Teeth on the T-Rex, there not for stalking the "wild" asparagus".

u see what i did thar.
[/ot]


also

why are people takign this topic seroiusly O_o

[Skiiran]

i was having a joke lawl, Chillax
also i remember seeing Creationist Museums(sp?) saying that Dinosaurs lived in the Garden of eden, and like all animals in the garden, they where Herbivores(more Sp?).
and heres where u came in.
"to eat trees"
:/

which brought me to a memorable Quote from a scientist responding to the creationist museums.
"look at the Teeth on the T-Rex, there not for stalking the "wild" asparagus".

u see what i did thar.
[/ot]


also

why are people takign this topic seroiusly O_o
Because it is funny to make Teekies talk logic about gigantic walking droids.