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Kornman00
November 15th, 2007, 05:29 PM
*Cue music* Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitsss that time again ladies and gentlemen! h2vista.net rant coming to you live, the today's guest we have is kornman00.

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This thread is rated GTFO. Those with uncontrollable ADD\ADHD (for real) or lack of brain must :gtfo:. I just spent the last two hours writing this, and trying to get some points I wanted off my chest. Why here? Because some things I really don't wish to discuss with my co-workers for soon obvious reasons. I tried to proof read each section as I wrote them, but I'm only human, and humans make fucking mistakes; go sue someone\thing. Enjoy. If not, thats fine by me, go make a sandwich to make yourself feel better.



What would any of you do? What would you do if the US gov't allowed the draft (or more correctly called, conscription (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States)) back into affect? Seriously now, think about, don't just reply saying you would move to Canada and live the rest of your life eating bacon and cursing in French while smoking that joint. Would you resist? How?

Luckily, currently a draft isn't that foreseeable. But at what costs? Have you ever stopped and thought about what allows the draft to not exist? I mean, we "needed" it once, how do we continue without it? Loopholes.

Let me name a few of them for you. Stop-loss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-loss_policy). SL can actually refer to a few different things, one being the description on the wikipedia article linked. Another is when a service member is SL'd from PCSing (permanent change of station) due to his unit deploying. Now, the SM doesn't have to be one of those deploying, he could be part of a Rear-Detachment filling the duties that the unit was expected to perform in the community they are stationed in. This was the case for many of the people in my unit not PCSing, though others could (read: are) still PCS but because of further clauses which I really don't want to go into more depth because its just more crap to type.

Military Service Obligation. When you enlist (in the Army anyway, I'm not too sure about all the other military services) your contract has X amount of years of when your actually active, performing your duties. There after those X amount of years are up, there is this additional X amount of years further that is a pretty much a 'buffer' for Uncle Sam to call you back for another episode of Touched by an Uncle. You are not serving the military during this time, you are essentially "on call", a half-reservist if you will. This buffer loophole HAS been used and abused on thousands of service members to get called back to the front lines.
I'm enlisted in the Active Army for 4 years, I'm then "on-call" for an additional 4 years. You can be your sweat ass that I will fight coming back in those latter 4 years if I do get called back.

Get out of jail free pass. Yes, it is still possible for people to pass go, collect hundreds of checks of $200 even though they should be serving time. But I guess the term "serving" has been redefined. If a fucking sexual predator spreads his evil on the population, I want that fucker locked up and AWAY from the population. I know some of you asshats think that it would be better for these idiots to serve their time in the military. Yeah, fuck you too pal.
Now you got that fucker BACK in action with the AUTHORIZATION to be locked and loaded. Now, they wouldn't (well, they SHOULDN'T BE at least) let the more "serious" sexual offenders use the alternative of military service, but those are not the only ones breaking the law. And guess what? When these cockmongrels go to a duty station, these records of mishap aren't following them. Their COs aren't seeing that Pvt. Snuffy bad touched 3 women back in Idaho before coming in. Or that he was a major trafficker of multiple life-threatening illegal drugs. Or that he was recorded in multiple gang related activity. OOOOOH how I could go ON about these MOTHER FUCKING GANG BANGER WANA-FUCKING-BEs coming in. I don't need your dipshitting ass watching my back fucktard, go back home and get shot the fuck up there.
What makes things worse is how soft initial training has got on recruits. Shit don't fucking phase them anymore. I barely see any fucking change in alot of these so called fucking "soldiers". AHHHHHH, fuck, I'll end that digression about that, moving on.
Bottom line is, the same shit that goes on in your civilian lives, happens just as much in the Army. Date rape, drugs, murder, you name it. It doesn't help anyone allowing these abominations of humanity into the service to continue their rape of civilization and your so blessed "freedom".

Back to the draft. Fuck. You. Get the hell out, and take your backdoor loopholes with you. Shit heads would have you believe that not "serving" your country is unpatriotic. Well fuck, if America was SERIOUSLY under fucking attack, I don't think many real Americans would put up a chance to do SOMETHING to protect themselves, family, friends and land. But for fuck sake, what do you expect from them when war was brought DOWN on THEM by their own fucking "leader"? Yeah, fuck you. When your born, your not pressed with a contract saying that you agree to defend your "borders" which somehow magically get STRETCHED THOUSANDS of miles away across land and sea. But a green card holder does.

Don't let the Blindness in America continue. Do SOMETHING. Serve your country by voting for the right president to fill a seat that has been empty since 2000. Research. Learn. Think. And for christ sakes, turn off the fucking lights when your not using them :gonk:


Yes. There is more.
http://kornnersoftware.com/images/rumsfeld.gif

This guy. Ignore the fact that he "quit" for now please, thx. This is the guy who looked at the jobs currently used in the Army and decided which ones needed to be consolidated into existing MOSes or taken over by civilians. He is the reason why the Finance Corps will one day not exist. He is the reason for so much drama and chaos plaguing the communities (the ones over here anyway) by this fucking unorganized, and expedited transformation occurring over here. What should be taking place over the course of five years, is happening in a year. By this time next year my unit will have downsized. Both in people and in recognition (Battalion -> Company). Not only that, but we are expected to deploy one last time, as a fucking whole, leaving the communities we provide support (the little we can even now anyway) with nothing. By the time our soldiers in our current detachment comes back from "fighting" "terrorism" they will be on their way to either PCS or ETS (get out, peace, cya, "sucks to be you sucker!").
Our finance unit was recently changed to be the last one to deactivate here in Germany (for those of you uninformed, we are DOWNsizing in Germany). I really can't give out the time table for when thats suppose to be because one, I doubt it will even happen by then and two I do suppose its a risk to security in some fashion, but then again, so would seem alot of this post is too. There won't be any (soldier wise anyway) finance support if we are to deploy as a whole (which we will, due to our reduced recognition). I just fucking hope for ours and everyone else's sake that Iran isn't finally put into the big picture.
And guess what exactly will be happening to finance soldiers as our job slowly be picked away? My people will basically turn into detail bitches and end up performing duties expected of combat personal (we are combat support).
Sure, we're all soldiers and should be expected to be able to do such tasks, but take a look around (I realize pretty much all of you on this forum can't do so, so just bare with me). Most people in my MOS are old combat vets (infantry, scouts, MPs, etc), some "broke" to the point where they couldn't perform their old duties (usually its because of those old duties as to why they're "broke"). Another thing is, there is ALOT of things sliding by in the Army. Criminals being allowed in is one of them, but it doesn't stop there. People that can't perform the full duties of a soldier are allowed to poster as one. Its these people who are sent down range and get people killed or are killed. Some times, its not their fault, its the people not wanting to take the time and paper work to get them to where they need to really be.


The problem, I think anyway, is already made aware. Its our inability to evolve and adapt and solve ourselves. We hold ourselves back.

ICEE
November 15th, 2007, 06:30 PM
well, in response to the issue of the draft, I would probably go. Though i doubt i'd be a very good soldier, theres no one i respect more than someone who enlists for duty. i dont know, if i had just had some amazing thing happen for me back home, i would probably dodge the draft, or try. (please ignore mai avatar and quote o_O)

Emmzee
November 15th, 2007, 06:36 PM
tl;dr

A draft is necessary in order for the war to truly go anywhere. Think about it this way:

People were so adamantly against Vietnam because they could get drafted and thereby forced to go. Nowadays, it's a volunteer army, so nobody has to experience Iraq and doesn't feel compelled to care about it as much.

ICEE
November 15th, 2007, 07:56 PM
yes well, if it were a war people believed in then more people may enlist. but its not, we really dont have much reason to be there anymore. people are going to hate us, thats what it means to be powerful

Rob Oplawar
November 15th, 2007, 08:02 PM
I don't know what's more absurd, that a very small group of people has decided to send a very large group of the people it controls to go kill another group of people, or that the very large group of people, being nearly entirely against war as it is, is continuing to let this small group of people control them.

It's ironic (and yes Atty that is the proper use) that we are the people with the true power, we are the ones who make the country run, we keep the wheels turning, and what's more we ridiculously outnumber them, and yet we feel that the government (that is only in "power" by our agreement for it to be) has all the control, and that we must wait for it to change.

The number of people who are making these decisions that we hate but for some reason think we can't dispute can't be more than a few thousand. There are 300 million citizens in the United States. We outnumber the true decision makers by at least 6 orders of magnitude. That's a lot. I'm just sayin. The only reason they're allowed to do what they do is because there's an established precedent of us letting them.
There's also an established precedent of overthrowing a government that's gotten out of hand. I'm just sayin.

ICEE
November 15th, 2007, 08:06 PM
are you hinting that you want revolution? i fear the lasercake...

Rob Oplawar
November 15th, 2007, 08:08 PM
cough cough, of course not.

Rise, my minions! Now is the time of our uprising!

Zeph
November 15th, 2007, 08:16 PM
If we were war-dec'd by a country, I'd defend my home. I might not be able to be a front-line soldier because of medical conditions, but I'd try to do my part. If I were to be drafted into the terror wars, I would disappear. I respect what the soldiers in the middle east are sacrificing right now, but I don't agree with why they're there. It might sound cruel, but America needs to focus on America and stop playing world peace. We're spending trillions of dollars on problems out side our borders while we have an obscene portion of the country living in poverty, outsourced jobs, and a dwindling energy problem. Rising sea levels will accelerate over the next 40 years and have we done one thing to prepare for the massive amount of refugees that will be fleeing their homes?

rossmum
November 15th, 2007, 09:11 PM
If we were war-dec'd by a country, I'd defend my home. I might not be able to be a front-line soldier because of medical conditions, but I'd try to do my part. If I were to be drafted into the terror wars, I would disappear. I respect what the soldiers in the middle east are sacrificing right now, but I don't agree with why they're there. It might sound cruel, but America needs to focus on America and stop playing world peace. We're spending trillions of dollars on problems out side our borders while we have an obscene portion of the country living in poverty, outsourced jobs, and a dwindling energy problem. Rising sea levels will accelerate over the next 40 years and have we done one thing to prepare for the massive amount of refugees that will be fleeing their homes?
This is a great post. I agree. I'm all for going off to defend my country or help another out, but only if the sole reason for going was exactly that. Modern wars are, quite frankly, bullshit. It might sound horrible, but as shitty as WWII was, it was an important stage and it did have its good side. What might that be, you ask? Well, it brought entire countries together under one purpose - survival - and there was none of this crap. You either went off to fight, or you supported those who did by working your ass off for pocket lint in a munitions factory or similar. I mean, let's take two examples: Dunkirk and the Blitz. The French and British were getting their asses handed to them on the Continent, but there was no way in hell the Royal Navy could spare enough ships to get them all out. What happened? Every single goddamn boat capable of carrying more than 2 people crossed the Channel under constant German fire and bombing runs, and they waited there for the men to get to the boats. Most of them went back the next day, and the next. And hell, if your little boat was damaged beyond repair and your livelihood ruined, you still brought some of your boys home. During the height of German raids in the Blitz, every shop had a sign out front or in the window reading 'business as usual'. Everyone did their best to help, and you knew who and why you were fighting. That is what the modern world lacks, and that is the oft-overlooked legacy of the Cold War. Everyone is too shit-scared to start some sort of traditional major land, sea, and air engagement, so they just send in guys dressed like civilians and strike at the enemy where they least expect it - usually on their own soil, in an area packed with innocent people. That's bullshit.

Emmzee
November 15th, 2007, 09:14 PM
This is a great post. I agree. I'm all for going off to defend my country or help another out, but only if the sole reason for going was exactly that. Modern wars are, quite frankly, bullshit. It might sound horrible, but as shitty as WWII was, it was an important stage and it did have its good side. What might that be, you ask? Well, it brought entire countries together under one purpose - survival - and there was none of this crap. You either went off to fight, or you supported those who did by working your ass off for pocket lint in a munitions factory or similar. I mean, let's take two examples: Dunkirk and the Blitz. The French and British were getting their asses handed to them on the Continent, but there was no way in hell the Royal Navy could spare enough ships to get them all out. What happened? Every single goddamn boat capable of carrying more than 2 people crossed the Channel under constant German fire and bombing runs, and they waited there for the men to get to the boats. Most of them went back the next day, and the next. And hell, if your little boat was damaged beyond repair and your livelihood ruined, you still brought some of your boys home. During the height of German raids in the Blitz, every shop had a sign out front or in the window reading 'business as usual'. Everyone did their best to help, and you knew who and why you were fighting. That is what the modern world lacks, and that is the oft-overlooked legacy of the Cold War. Everyone is too shit-scared to start some sort of traditional major land, sea, and air engagement, so they just send in guys dressed like civilians and strike at the enemy where they least expect it - usually on their own soil, in an area packed with innocent people. That's bullshit.
I endorse this post.


We need wars that there will be tons of movies about that put them in a good light, and lots of metal songs about them. War has lost its heart. What with the "civilian contractors" and "coalition of the willing," this coalition being the United States and Blackwater.

Chewy Gumball
November 15th, 2007, 09:40 PM
... It might sound cruel, but America needs to focus on America and stop playing world peace...

Theres nothing wrong with America trying to make peace in the world. The problem is that America does not promote peace at all. The war in iraq was never planned to be a peace making mission.

The US doesn't need to start any wars. They need to spread the wealth and expertise to less developed countries, not go in, blow up a lot of buildings and probably people too, destroy the country's government, and then stand there going "Now What?".

Also, about the draft:
The government does not have the right to force it's country's citizens to join the military, at least not ethically. When you sign up for the military, you should know that you could quite possibly be signing up for injury or worse. I do not believe you should be forced to do something like that. This is why I have very little sympathy for the people who die in iraq (or any other non drafted conflict). They should have known what they were signing up for, and shouldn't have signed up if they weren't ready to be injured or killed while serving. I do have sympathy for their families though.

Pooky
November 16th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Technically I should be ineligible for the draft, but if the need for it came up I doubt that would last very long. Personally, I wouldn't do it. Not for any of these shitty modern wars. But then I don't really like the modern world as a whole, it lacks any authenticity. I think if I had a choice I would take the 14th century, with all its problems, over the 21st. At least you didn't have corporations trying to sell shit to you constantly.

p0lar_bear
November 16th, 2007, 07:27 PM
At least you didn't have corporations trying to sell shit to you constantly.Don't forget to take your Johnson & Johnson® Band-Aid® brand first aid supplies with you out on the field in case you take a hit, which you can find in the Pharmacy section of Wal-Mart®, which is also hosting GREAT DEALS on Smith & Wesson® brand ammunition for all your terrorist stomping needs! :downs:

As for the draft, I was fortunate enough to be born as an only child, so I've been told that I can't be drafted into the military. Good thing though; I probably wouldn't survive BCT, and if I did, I'd probably end up killing some of my own guys out there by accident. And I'm not talking about in just active combat; I'm a horrible tactician, my technical skills blow, and I have the memory span of a goldfi- I like pie.

Con
November 16th, 2007, 07:31 PM
don't just reply saying you would move to Canada and live the rest of your life eating bacon and cursing in French while smoking that joint.
Zut alors!

rossmum
November 16th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Don't forget to take your Johnson & Johnson® Band-Aid® brand first aid supplies with you out on the field in case you take a hit, which you can find in the Pharmacy section of Wal-Mart®, which is also hosting GREAT DEALS on Smith & Wesson® brand ammunition for all your terrorist stomping needs! :downs:

As for the draft, I was fortunate enough to be born as an only child, so I've been told that I can't be drafted into the military. Good thing though; I probably wouldn't survive BCT, and if I did, I'd probably end up killing some of my own guys out there by accident. And I'm not talking about in just active combat; I'm a horrible tactician, my technical skills blow, and I have the memory span of a goldfi- I like pie.
Not cake? :smith:

I doubt Australia will ever reinstate the draft unless someone actually fucking invades us, so I'm safe in that regard. I'm not exactly athletic, I'm clumsy as all hell, and I'm deeply opposed to the kinds of conditions you'd run into on the battlefield, plus I don't think I could take watching my friends get shot or blown up... but I have a decent sense of tactics and I can hide myself rather well. I dunno, maybe all that would change in those circumstances. I doubt I'll have to find out anyway.

SnaFuBAR
November 16th, 2007, 09:46 PM
I die for what I believe in, not what anyone else's agenda. If some MP's want to come knock on my door and try to drag me out, I'm fighting tooth, nail and everything else.

The only freedom I know is MINE. So THAT is what I choose to die for.

ICEE
November 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM
I die for what I believe in, not what anyone else's agenda. If some MP's want to come knock on my door and try to drag me out, I'm fighting tooth, nail and everything else.

The only freedom I know is MINE. So THAT is what I choose to die for.


right on. ive already got my death planned out. im going to jump out of a plane without a parachute, targeting an year 8 old's birthday party. this is what i believe in, and im sticking to it

thehoodedsmack
November 16th, 2007, 10:44 PM
right on. ive already got my death planned out. im going to jump out of a plane without a parachute, targeting an year 8 old's birthday party. this is what i believe in, and im sticking to it

Nice. Personally, I always wanted to die in the Death Star explosion. Nice and flashy. I'm not sure why Korn wants to ban the Canada option, as history has shown us what a useful option it was. I suppose if we ever got invaded, it would likely be by America anyway, and I guess we'd come along fairly quietly.

Huero
November 16th, 2007, 10:59 PM
Why would America do that?
We don't have a problem with you <_<

thehoodedsmack
November 16th, 2007, 11:03 PM
In the olden days, America believed it was their God-given right to own all of North America. I forget the term for it. Anyway, I don't expect an invasion, but you're the only country that borders us. So unless there's a full-scale naval or aerial invasion....

Also, it would make sense for an invasion soon, as our higher dollar makes trade with you guys difficult for both sides.

Chewy Gumball
November 16th, 2007, 11:16 PM
Manifest Destiny.

Zeph
November 16th, 2007, 11:21 PM
In the olden days, America believed it was their God-given right to own all of North America. I forget the term for it. Anyway, I don't expect an invasion, but you're the only country that borders us. So unless there's a full-scale naval or aerial invasion....

Also, it would make sense for an invasion soon, as our higher dollar makes trade with you guys difficult for both sides.

Manifest destiny? Or was that the one where they believed they should just cover coast to coast?

ExAm
November 17th, 2007, 12:10 AM
Nice. Personally, I always wanted to die in the Death Star explosion. Nice and flashy. I'm not sure why Korn wants to ban the Canada option, as history has shown us what a useful option it was. I suppose if we ever got invaded, it would likely be by America anyway, and I guess we'd come along fairly quietly.Too bad the US made Canada sign something that says they'll turn back any US citizens during a draft, and find those who have immigrated and send them back. Something similar to that, but you get my drift.

ICEE
November 17th, 2007, 12:52 AM
well mexico then. flash some american money and theyll see whose in charge/mugged o.O

Kornman00
November 17th, 2007, 02:28 AM
but you get my drift.
moar like draft :downs:


The only freedom I know is MINE. So THAT is what I choose to die for.
I agree, amiright?

right on. ive already got my death planned out. im going to jump out of a plane without a parachute, targeting an year 8 old's birthday party. this is what i believe in, and im sticking to it
:lol: that was fucking random

I'm not sure why Korn wants to ban the Canada option, as history has shown us what a useful option it was.
well I didn't want people just using that as their excuse because its the most used as you said yourself :P

legionaire45
November 17th, 2007, 02:31 AM
I honestly wouldn't get past the first few exams unless they were incredibly desperate for troops. I'm fat, far sighted and a shitty shot anyway, plus my reflexes aren't the best. At most I'd be stuck in a shitty desk job wasting my life away counting how much money we have pissed away on a war we wouldn't need to fight.

Fuck you President Roosevelt. Leave the Monroe Doctrine alone =<.

ExAm
November 17th, 2007, 02:47 AM
moar like draft :downs:
Badpun is baaaaad

Kornman00
November 17th, 2007, 04:17 AM
I honestly wouldn't get past the first few exams unless they were incredibly desperate for troops. I'm fat, far sighted and a shitty shot anyway, plus my reflexes aren't the best. At most I'd be stuck in a shitty desk job wasting my life away counting how much money we have pissed away on a war we wouldn't need to fight.
believe me dude, they would fucking let you in.