Veblensk

[Tweek]

man, if i were you i'd rework the ENTIRE thing, but thats just me.

[PenGuin1362]

Tbh, it's not really that great but hell at least you can tell wtf it is. And at least this damn map will finally be finished

[SMASH]

Penguins got the right idea. I told Snaf upfront that I'm not the best but I can get it done.

[Monopoly]

Maybe try to mimic something like this for your sidewalk http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5333/textures11cm9.jpg

[SnaFuBAR]

that's nice, i do like that.

[SMASH]

I would except that most of them are angled or curved which means I'd have to unwrap it all which even if I do it at 1024x1024 it will still be pretty pixelated because it's spread over the whole city... I do totally agree something better has to be done with the sidewalk but idk if that's really the solution.

[SMASH]

NEW SIDEWALK WIP:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3637/renderzj8.png

[Rentafence]

NO. It looks like burnt condoms. It looks waaaay too worn and dark.

[SMASH]

Hey, you, with the fence, shut up >:-|.

Actually, I <3 Rent. Good crit.

REDO!

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1182/renderku5.png

[Rentafence]

Better. Inb4 someone says im an idiot.

[p0lar_bear]

Rentafence is a fucking moro- oh wait, damn it. >:|

Progress is progress, let's see how everything else pans out.

[SMASH]

UVWing this beast is tedious work >.<

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3549/rendermm9.png

[NuggetWarmer]

The road seems really 'new', if you know what I mean. Spice it up a bit, maybe add some tire skid marks and minor cracks in places. Maybe even add tar marks?

[Anton]

Hey, that looks a lot better from the first picture you showed. Yeah, I agree with the above posts, do something different with the street, it looks like it was just paved. or w/e. :] Yeah, good luck and good job so far.

[n00b1n8R]

I hope your going to tidy up those white lines. >__>

[Bodzilla]

i might open source some of the content.
i just died.
:XD:

[SnaFuBAR]

i just died.
:XD:
NO OPEN SOURCE FOR YOU:mad::mad::mad:

[Scooby Doo]

u can separate the ground into a few pieces and unwrap them into more than one bitmap you know. i honestly don't really like the looks of it atm...but it may get better the more you add. we'll see...


~Scooby

[SMASH]

:'-(. But but but.

Yeah, I agree with you scooby, but unfortunately, I'm not you so making it up to your standards is damn near impossible for someone like me.

And doing sections of the street is GENIUS. I feel like a total tard now.

[p0lar_bear]

I was going to suggest something along those lines.

Make a very high-res base map for the streets. This would contain the lines, main color, some discolorations (oil stains, wear and tear, etc). Then use the magic of shaders to put a detail and bump map on the main map do make up the bumps and grooves of asphalt.

[Scooby Doo]

also, don't be afraid to add in some color to your bitmaps. they are lacking color and damage(mb grunge). it just looks too new, especially for a war torn city. other than that, it's not terribly bad or anything...just could use a pinch of spice and a hint of garlic. lol.


~Scooby

[Sel]

or my knowledge and experience which they perceive as ego, because they don't know the difference.

Im so keeping that as a user note.

[Lunatic]

This is going to be a sick map for filming. I cannot wait.

[ima_from_America]

So how's this project coming along? Has SMASH touched up on those road textures yet?

[SnaFuBAR]

he hasn't talked to me in a few days, so i don't know.

[ItsMeTerror]

If he has school is could possibly be that, because the school years are coming to a screeching hault. Like I have 6 finals I have to take in 2 day period. Its crazy.

[SMASH]

Yea, sorry guys, Finals were hell. It summer now and I'm back in the saddle trying to take some of scooby's advice and wracking my brain trying to get all these UVWs to work... anyways, heres an update on the road and a barrier I'm particularly proud of:


http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1494/renderqy1.png

Unfortunately, because I unwrapped it the quality went down a bit, but it was easier to grunge the hell outta without repeating and worrying about seams.

Also, don't pay attention to the sidewalk, that was effed up when I unwrapped the road cause I had to drag the whole map off the screen then unwrap the road... thus I'm gonna unwrap the road only and UVW the rest... I hope...

I just remembered the offset feature of unwrap... >.< ... that would've made my life easier. Oh well, I'll keep that in mind from here on out.

[il Duce Primo]

Do a normal tilable texture for the road. The just put some planes right over the streets and unwrap and make some tire marks.

[Pooky]

I think the road looks worse than before... it just looks like someone colored all over it with chalk :\

[ima_from_America]

My shot at it, photobucket is a major quality killer.
**UPDATE**
Just finished up the 512 by 512 version. I'm still working out the details, but I'll finish it up pretty soon. Microsoft Image Composer and MS Paint don't give you much to work with.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn242/imafromamerica/lol-3.jpg?t=1213591825

[SnaFuBAR]

Thanks for the attempt, but that's not exactly what I'm looking for to go in my map.

[n00b1n8R]

Far too much blurr. Sharpen it up and turn down the smudge or something.

[SnaFuBAR]

Yeah, it looks like they tried attempted to paint the lanes on a silty road in a rain storm. Click HERE (http://www.toxiclab.org/tutorial.asp?ID=56) to get a learnin!

E: 2 more, but not the greatest

http://www.biorust.com/tutorials/detail/176/en/
http://www.empiredezign.com/version2/portfolio/pages/tutorials/blacktop.htm

[Pooky]

Why are the lines so wavy... it's a major city not a backwater country road :S

[ima_from_America]

I'm using MS Paint and Microsoft Image Composer. I'm too poor to have Photoshop.

[Heathen]

LOL, at least wing it with gimp :/

[n00b1n8R]

LOL, at least wing it with gimp :/
arg, beat me to it <:mad:>
http://www.gimp.org/

[SMASH]

Honestly, the reason I said "Fuck This" and threw my hands up in disgust is not just when everyone here not only criticized my attempts to get this textured so you can have it playable, but also the fucktards that are like "HURR her 1s a road I painted in M$ pa1nt!!! Isn't it bettar!!". That's just insulting to me. You guys can obviously handle it yourselves so do it yourselves.

Also, despite hours and hours of work I have never once received rep from working on this map. I mean, come on, show some appreciation and maybe I'll be more willing to finish.

I do appreciate the people who rep me now, but the thing is, I see people getting repped out of their mind over stupid idiotic posts and I don't get any until I freaking complain about it.

Anyways, I am re working on it and I'm trying a normal aspault texture with an alpha channeled map with lines and damage and such on top... wish me luck...

EDIT:

Ok, I wish that alpha channel thing was my idea cause it's freaking brilliant. Here's a sample of 10 minutes of work with the base map and some more realistic style traffic lines. I haven't started on the damage but it'll be coming I just want to get the lines set up then be able to mess it up from there so I don't want to hear about how it's "too clean". It's very much WIP.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3594/renderig5.png

[Pooky]

everyone here not only criticized my attempts to get this textured so you can have it playable

...

You posted progress pics, expecting no criticism?

Was everyone just supposed to go "wow that's awesome, don't bother fixing the issues just put it in game the way it is!"

[Heathen]

Pookie is actually right. You want the criticism....no matter how blunt and rude.

Hitler had that goofy mustache because no one had the balls to say it looked goofy. They were just like "Yes mine fuhrer, its teh sexy." And he forever looked goofy.

Moral: Ignore the attitudes and just take the good things out of it.

[SnaFuBAR]

Actually he had that mustache because a beard didn't fit properly under a gas mask.

[samnwck]

If you want any help I can help. I've done some work with drawings in Photoshop(and perhaps texturing might not be too much different) and me and Smash work together well, he and I were on a project together a while ago. I'm not exactly the fastest worker because I work a dead-end job 5 days a week.

My painting work
Warning Big Ass Picture(also be aware what you see here is not where this picture is at, it has more added now, it's just the last uploaded picture of it i could find)

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2008/024/a/d/Blood_elf_by_samnwck.jpg

Crap I posted something else in here a while ago I'll have to reupload it cuz i can't find it.

[n00b1n8R]

Actually he had that mustache because a beard didn't fit properly under a gas mask.
Then how did Gordon Freeman fit in his HEV suit? :raise:

[SMASH]

...

You posted progress pics, expecting no criticism?

Was everyone just supposed to go "wow that's awesome, don't bother fixing the issues just put it in game the way it is!"

No that's not what I'm saying. Honestly, both road attempts were approved by Snaf to go ingame. You OCD people just keep making me redo it and redo it. If you guys really ever want to ever play it, I would suggest making crits that I can work with without having to UVW and reUVW and reUVW unwrap the whole freaking road.

It's ridiculous how much time I've put into just the roads and no one is happy. Pretty soon, just to finish it, I may just do the rest in Paint just out of spite.

[Anton]

Smash ,my friend, keep up your work; this in the end will be a great learning experience. I've liked all of your UVW unwraps so far on this road. Just take the critique you get and run with it, may it be good or bad. Just try your best to improve yourself, just because they say it needs to be changed doesn't necessarily mean you have to. You can't please the world. Everyone will have different tastes and not everyone will agree on how well something is because everyone has different views, etc.

For the majority of the people who will play this, they won't even notice the UVW/Textures etc. They will notice all of the Gameplay elements that go into this. Don't get me wrong textures play a huge role but they won't be walking around looking at every seam and error, or how "clean" or "dirty" it looks.

Just keep up what you're doing. Good luck.

[itszutak]

Then how did Gordon Freeman fit in his HEV suit? :raise:
He never wore a helmet :downs:

[NuggetWarmer]

He never wore a helmet :downs:

Lies.

[Gamerkd16]

E: 2 more, but not the greatest

http://www.biorust.com/tutorials/detail/176/en/
http://www.empiredezign.com/version2/portfolio/pages/tutorials/blacktop.htm
Why not just use those textures for the road? They look good.

[n00b1n8R]

He never wore a helmet :downs:
How does he get air under water? How does he survive on Xen? How does he survive in radioactiv environments and toxic sludge?

There's a helmet. http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-colbert.gif


No that's not what I'm saying. Honestly, both road attempts were approved by Snaf to go ingame. You OCD people just keep making me redo it and redo it. If you guys really ever want to ever play it, I would suggest making crits that I can work with without having to UVW and reUVW and reUVW unwrap the whole freaking road.

It's ridiculous how much time I've put into just the roads and no one is happy. Pretty soon, just to finish it, I may just do the rest in Paint just out of spite.
Look mate, we're posting our thoughts and suggestions and ways it could be improved. You don't have to take our advice. Nobody is making you. :eyesroll:

[Syuusuke]

Gordon Freeman's glasses protect him, not his helmet. I don't think he really wears a helmet.
--
As much as that's a WIP, SMASH, it's OK

[PenGuin1362]

Regardless of the quality, I will be happy with the fact that it gets done, so keep working :) you can only get better by practicing >_>

[SMASH]

I'm basically done with the streets... I've spent way too much time on them. At this rate it'll be released by 2020 >.<. But yea, inexperience makes me waste time but here we go:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1561/renderse5.png

[SnaFuBAR]

looks way better, except... the white lines are on the wrong side of the road :o

[SMASH]

Oh man, you are correct. Let me fix that >.<

[Apoc4lypse]

Nice work smash, keep practicing, its definitely an improvement, one thing to remember though, the yellow lines are painted onto the asphalt, so you should be able to see some asphalt textures in the yellow lines because its just paint.

[DOMINATOR]

looks way better, except... the white lines are on the wrong side of the road :o
he could just say it's an european city.

[SnaFuBAR]

it is. republic of georgia. but their roads aren't backwards like british roads.

[n00b1n8R]

But I want to kill people in Australia. :(

[Hotrod]

It's looking really good so far, keep it up? The only bad thing I see are the white lines on the wrong side of the road, but you already said you'd fix that, so it's all good. I can't wait to try out this map. There's one thing that Halo needs more of, and that's city maps.

[ima_from_America]

*bump*


this shit is oooold

Is this project still going? Or are you going to break my heart and kill me like Rob did when he stopped working on Bridge?

[TeeKup]

*bump*
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8659/bumpap4.jpg

He'll update when its updated.

[SnaFuBAR]

Smash has gotten busy. Anyone care to help him out?

[Disaster]

What does he need help with?

[ima_from_America]

Texturing

[Disaster]

You can count me out then =\
I am so pathetically bad at texturing its not funny

[SMASH]

No, I need help UVWing crap. I have the sidewalk texture but the UVWs are taking forever... especially when I have to bend the sidewalk around the curved corners...

[Scooby Doo]

i guess i could help some...hit me up on aim some time.


~Scoob

[falconsfootball07]

hows the map going snaf?

[n00b1n8R]

Stop getting me excited over nothing. :smith:

[SnaFuBAR]

i haven't heard a damn thing from smash.

[DarkHalo003]

I remember seeing the first pic quite a long time ago. I like City maps, but I think we need more desert-like barren city maps, sort of like the Resistance theme.

[Pooky]

i haven't heard a damn thing from smash.


Last I saw him he was getting all butthurt because he posted pics for crit and we criticized them :|

[DrunkenSamus]

I remember seeing the first pic quite a long time ago. I like City maps, but I think we need more desert-like barren city maps, sort of like the Resistance theme.

We need more maps like City Scape...what the hell happened to Caz anyways?

[n00b1n8R]

Well he was last online on the 6th, so just spam up his PMs box.

[Hunter]

I'm basically done with the streets... I've spent way too much time on them. At this rate it'll be released by 2020 >.<. But yea, inexperience makes me waste time but here we go:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1561/renderse5.png


looks way better, except... the white lines are on the wrong side of the road :o

Not for people in the UK XD

[Malloy]

veblensk sounds european/russian... so it is probably the other way round Hunter

[SnaFuBAR]

Georgia is where it takes place. No, not the one in the US.

[Saggy]

Georgia is where it takes place. No, not the one in the US.
So can we expect any russian invasions in this map then?

[TeeKup]

So can we expect any russian invasions in this map then?

You're so damn funny.

[DarkHalo003]

Well, i hope the map has good sized gameplay for foot soldiers. I really don't want to see it turned strictly into a vehicle-needy map. I think this is what made New Mombassa so good. It was for everyone.

[SnaFuBAR]

there are no vehicles in veblensk, and is suited for on foot action.

[DarkHalo003]

there are no vehicles in veblensk, and is suited for on foot action.
Good. I think HaloCE is completely plagued by the vehicular combat it offers. Too many warthog spammings, banshee hogging, and scorpion camping. I'm glad there is something that completely focuses on the player, for once.

[ima_from_America]

Are you still keeping the sniper train? And if you are, then how do get on the train car?

[Malloy]

mb a bit of rope or broken cable is hanging from it and it has a ladder plane in front of it?

[SnaFuBAR]

a service ladder allows you to climb up.

[PopeAK49]

This maps going to be tight! keep it up!

[SnaFuBAR]

sent it to scoob, let's hope he'll get further along than smash did.

[SMASH]

hey sorry snaf, I would've gone farther but my computer totally took a dump on me and wouldn't allow any high end programs such as MAX open... in the process of doing a build but having problems with crap parts from newegg... be up in maybe 2 weeks >.<.

[Pooky]

Good. I think HaloCE is completely plagued by the vehicular combat it offers. Too many warthog spammings, banshee hogging, and scorpion camping. I'm glad there is something that completely focuses on the player, for once.

Yeah, because all those Bungie maps like Longest and Derilict and Wizard were about the vehicles. :eyesroll:

@snaf

maybe it would be a good idea to just throw this thing to the community, and let anyone attempt skinning something they feel like, until you have a whole map?

[TeeKup]

maybe it would be a good idea to just throw this thing to the community, and let anyone attempt skinning something they feel like, until you have a whole map?

LOL............No.

[Pooky]

LOL............No.
It's not like it's getting anywhere the way it is.

[TeeKup]

If you get Veblensk to the community you'll get a nightmare in return.

[SnaFuBAR]

maybe it would be a good idea to just throw this thing to the community, and let anyone attempt skinning something they feel like, until you have a whole map?
not happening, m8.

[Pooky]

It's not like it affects me any, was just a suggestion.

Guess I forgot for a second the Halo CE community is all about :conspiracy:

[Apoc4lypse]

It's not like it affects me any, was just a suggestion.

Guess I forgot for a second the Halo CE community is all about :conspiracy:

your logic is so perfect

:conspiracy:

:XD: :iiam:

[ima_from_America]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:xLvQJMeXMVzjVM:http://www.ricesigns.com/real_pictures/bump_signs.jpg

Bumpitty-Bump. Has SMASH given up on texxin' yet?

[DarkHalo003]

Yeah, because all those Bungie maps like Longest and Derilict and Wizard were about the vehicles. :eyesroll:

@snaf

maybe it would be a good idea to just throw this thing to the community, and let anyone attempt skinning something they feel like, until you have a whole map?
I was referring to Sidewinder, BG, Timberland, Infinity, etc that are plagued with nothing but vehicle-whoring. I rarely play Longest, Derilict, nor Wizard by personal preference. I'm tired of playing some maps, like BG, Coldsnap, and other maps greatly played that have vehicles, and was emphasizing that I wanted something new.

This map is taking a while. I hope it turns out great. ;)

[Chainsy]

Only suggestion I have is if someone wants to work on it and finish it have them pm you some of their work, I agree on nay to the overall community though.