High-Resolution-Halo

[Bad Waffle]

XCE members on duty:

Dane
Wave of Lag
Lightning
Supersunny (perhaps)
Teh Lag (perhaps)
Flyinrooster


FAQ---

Q: what is High Res Halo?
A: HRH will bring new glory to old classic maps in the form of more graphics intense geometry, lightning, and shaders.

Q: Ohh, so whats going to be overhauled?
A:
Vehicles
Warthog
Ghost
Scorpion
Banshee
Weapons
Assault Rifle
Pistol
Sniper Rifle
Shotgun
Needler
Characters
Master Chief
Levels
Longest
Sidewinder
Blood Gulch
Hang Em High (maybe)
New Mombassa Classic Q: Will my computer be able to run it?
A: Due to the outdated rendering engine that can't make use of newer tech, the only computers who will be able to handle this mod are also the people who can run unreal tournament--or perhaps Crysis--well.

Q: How long will this mod take to do?
A: Well, i bet that the entire mod will take about three times the amount of time it's going to take me to model New Mombassa Classic. This things a bitch. So, probably late summer 2008.

[beele]

sounds cool, and looks cool.

[n00b1n8R]

not my beloved pistol D:

no love for the banshee? :(

[Bad Waffle]

shee is gay, you are gay

[malolo420]

What beele said.

[nooBBooze]

XCE is still alive? o____O

[SuperSunny]

We're still alive!??! I like this.

[StankBacon]

awesome.

although i must say, FUCK BLOODGULCH, do Danger Canyon!

pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaasssssssse?

[Sel]

FUCK BLOODGULCH, do Danger Canyon!


.

[Sever]

Lol, NMC is NOT located on a halo, WoL. Also, will you be keeping the weapon/player spawns the same, or giving everything a good overhaul? Some of the weapon placements could definitely be tweaked on Blood Gulch.

[Kalub]

I remade the Ghost/Banshee skins at 2048^2... they are on halomaps somewhere. See if Dan0 can use them for a base map or something

[ExAm]

*mind is blown*

[Syuusuke]

New found glory!hole

[Timo]

Sounds like awesomeness guys. Hopefully you're going to do some badass portalling to help out :p Oh, and you should totally use that in-game menu jcap and I made (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/Timo12/Image_000024-1.jpg) :-D

[Apoc4lypse]

for a sec i thought u meant it was going to be on another engine like crysis and stuff or w/e.. lol n/m...


looks kool :cool:

[NuggetWarmer]

I like this project.

[Tweek]

i want to join in tbh. just not this map. i've never liked mobasa
but srsly, you're going to have the same problems i had on my map. the untextured beta some of you played. you know it's going to be like that.

[InnerGoat]

In on this

[Lateksi]

I have no words to describe how much I respect you guys keeping the old game engine alive :O

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

This looks like its gonna be a good overhaul, too bad there will be people who cant run this and that means less people, so for the people who like the good gfx, may not be able to play with as many people, unless someone builds a hack to allow people to join Bloodgulch servers and such that are being played but then have it be with the good gfx even though its on the original bg,
still looks like alot of fun!

[Con]

awesome.

although i must say, FUCK BLOODGULCH, do Danger Canyon!

pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaasssssssse?
.

shee is gay, you are gay
put a shee in it ffs

[Tweek]

actually, i might do Danger Canyon :v

[Syuusuke]

Just don't screw up the shee like H2CE did =/

(Was invulnerable to everything except heavies and nades...)

[paladin]

Just don't screw up the shee like H2CE did =/

(Was invulnerable to everything except heavies and nades...)

I liked that :/

[Bad Waffle]

awesome.

although i must say, FUCK BLOODGULCH, do Danger Canyon!

pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaasssssssse?

This is a good Idea. Tweek had a danger canyon map in progress, we'll see about that.


Sounds like awesomeness guys. Hopefully you're going to do some badass portalling to help out :p Oh, and you should totally use that in-game menu jcap and I made (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/Timo12/Image_000024-1.jpg) :-D

That ingame menu (plus the UI, sans delta halo and instead just a dynamic spotlight in a dark room lighting a hog and the chief)


i want to join in tbh. just not this map. i've never liked mobasa
but srsly, you're going to have the same problems i had on my map. the untextured beta some of you played. you know it's going to be like that.


actually, i might do Danger Canyon :v

I won't have the same problems, the last build of Ravaged was 40k at least and it didnt give me any shit, even on my laptop with a radeon 9000 mobile. Plus, i'm using a system of dynamic detail through scenery (that can be lod'd and culled, even without portals). This has been proven to work, the light parts of geometry in the sewers are alpha geometry made from scenery. Also, this is a damn good reason to do that Danger Canyon model...do it however you want, style-wise.




Just don't screw up the shee like H2CE did =/

(Was invulnerable to everything except heavies and nades...)


I liked that :/

Note: i'm not going to touch or edit the gameplay mechanics in any way. The only difference will be the lack of a pistol, replaced by the BR--which will fire 24 rounds in two round bursts, with the exact same ROF of the pistol. The three round burst annoys me, makes the rifle sound less powerful. Two shots loosely right after one another is much more of an umph.

If the shee looks bad when next to the rest of the content, then yea, i'll take a look at it. But note that the only reason i've ever used the shee in 5 years of halo is to quickly get to the parking structure roof for sniping.

[Con]

People like to use it for quick flag caps, but you can fix that if you move its spawn away from the base so defense has a chance to get him before he escapes in it. That's assuming he didn't come in one. In that case, some turrets would help.

[Jay2645]

Some Hog turrets mounted on the base would be nice.

I suppose that you can model in a ledge into the side of the cliff by each base, and stick the Banshee on it, accessible via a ladder. Maybe have some Hogs and such parked under it...

But I say BG, Hang 'Em High, and Danger Canyon FTW!

[Sel]

.

put a shee in it ffs

:whoosh:

What, didnt Cons have his own Shee emote before :O

[Bad Waffle]

I really don't want to add any more turrets etc. We'll try them out in beta tests, if it doesnt work, im going with the tried and true classic layout.

[Jay2645]

It's your map.

And I think that Shee emote was in [IMG] tags.

[hobojoe]

looking good!

[paintballakid5]

Ummm looks good, it's hard to see the details from the Low quality youtube video, but the Renders looks Smexy, keep up the good work!:D

[Bad Waffle]

It's your map.

And I think that Shee emote was in [IMG] tags.

but i don't own the souls of the people playing on it, so i just want to make sure people can have FUN on it.

[Roostervier]

I'll be getting back on the computer more again lately, and I could definitely help out. Also, :awesome:.

[Jay2645]

but i don't own the souls of the people playing on it, so i just want to make sure people can have FUN on it.
Speaking of which, I just remembered that Conscars owns my soul, so I guess I have to go do whatever he wants me to on his maps...

[ODX]

Q: Will my computer be able to run it?
A: Due to the outdated rendering engine that can't make use of newer tech, the only computers who will be able to handle this mod are also the people who can run unreal tournament--or perhaps Crysis--well.

Oh, ok. My brother's new computer should hopefully be done before this is out. A computer for under $1k, with an 8800GT, and 500GB of hard drive space. That can run Crysis 'well' right? :lol:

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Yes odx that will run crysis well, considering it runs on my 8300gs :O
Ide like to try to help with this, I made a pretty good 1024x1024 snow texture if you would like it tell me, ide be glad to help out with this in any way shape or form.
Ask away!

[Bad Waffle]

post it here and we'll see?

[Bad Waffle]

DOUBLEPOST!

DOUBLEUPDATE!

Had some time today to start modelling the hog body. The interior's going to be a bitch. The gun will be fun :D

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/918/hogwirepe2.png

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3636/hog4yw2.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1610/hog3va2.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5964/hog2by2.png

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7117/hog1ek3.jpg

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Okay, i first gotta convert it though.. Ohshi, i forgot to back it up >.> well im gonna try to remake it
Also, what resolution should it be? 2048x2048 or 1024x1024?

Edit: That hog looks smexy Lag Keep it up!

[Bad Waffle]

Meh, don't bother if you lost it.

[Ki11a_FTW]

Id tap dat shit right there

+rep

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Heres a New one, not as good as the old one but still WIP
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2127/snowwm0.jpg

The real thing is 2048x2048 but for some reason is lower on there..

[Jay2645]

Heres a New one, not as good as the old one but still WIP
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2127/snowwm0.jpg

The real thing is 2048x2048 but for some reason is lower on there..

What. The Hell. Is that.

It looks like one of those little paintings where, if you stare long enough, they move together to form a picture.

[Bad Waffle]

is it a hidden message? :confused2:

[Xegrot]

That looks more like the texture of the ceiling panels I see when I look up at school.

:[

[Kalub]

Great, now your all his minions.


wtg

[Bad Waffle]

kalub did you get dumped or something whats with all the sadness

[JDMFSeanP]

Those tires look D:

[Botolf]

Those tires look D:
.

Mister, CAN I DATE YOUR TIRES?!

[SuperSunny]

Detail Metal Scratches?

[Bad Waffle]

or perhaps the speckle on stone.

[Boba]

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put a shee in it ffs
Kestral. :awesome:

[Timo]

Putting a banshee in this would just be throwing a spanner into the works. Plus, i'll cry if you do ;_; Unless you would modify it to make it impossible to hover/to run you over

[n00b1n8R]

If the shee looks bad when next to the rest of the content, then yea, i'll take a look at it. But note that the only reason i've ever used the shee in 5 years of halo is to quickly get to the parking structure roof for sniping.

I mean for all the maps that usually support it, not just NM :/
Incidentally, I hated new mombasa except on race. does that make me a bad person?


actually, i might do Danger Canyon :v
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l183/n00b1n8R/doitfaggot.gif

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Does anyone have any suggestions on improving the texture, Or any links to good texture creation tutorials in photoshop? Also, thanks for the crit, in the end, the painless lie truely hurts more then the painfull truth.

[Darqeness]

What's the texture meant to be? Reminds me of marble.

[paladin]

Putting a banshee in this would just be throwing a spanner into the works. Plus, i'll cry if you do ;_; Unless you would modify it to make it impossible to hover/to run you over

Just make the shee so only I can enter it.

[TPE]

Ehh I'm not liking the warthogs treads. Too rounded for a 4x4 tread.

http://www.intercotire.com/piclib/589.jpg

Anything remotely like that would look epic.

[Kalub]

kalub did you get dumped or something whats with all the sadness

Thats sarcasm! See! Minions I tell you!

[StankBacon]

actually, i might do Danger Canyon :v

i would love you forever

:D

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

What's the texture meant to be? Reminds me of marble.

Its supposed to be snowyish, but if it would work better making it into marble, tell me, and please teach me how to improve.

[ExAm]

Its supposed to be snowyish, but if it would work better making it into marble, tell me, and please teach me how to improve.For one, snow doesn't have black dots in it.

[Tweek]

Thats sarcasm! See! Minions I tell you!

no, you've been acting like a fucking bitch for a while now man, get it over with.

[Bad Waffle]

Ehh I'm not liking the warthogs treads. Too rounded for a 4x4 tread.

http://www.intercotire.com/piclib/589.jpg

Anything remotely like that would look epic.

they're not rounded at all. then, the geometry of the ties would need so many polies it wouldnt be worth it. i just applied a smoothing group to it, look at the wireframes ffs.

[Kalub]

no, you've been acting like a fucking bitch for a while now man, get it over with.


Yea, not really. :eyesroll:

You see it started with him posting those awesome hog renders, and then everyone was drooling on him. So... I said, "Great, now your all his minions," meaning:

Holy shit, not only do I like the work, but everyone else does. It was sarcasm. I've been Wave's buddy (See:WoLmunist) for - like - ever now.


(You guys interpreted it wrong)

[Tweek]

no, its been going on for longer
its not just that post.

[JDMFSeanP]

IE you not being able to take -rep.

[Kalub]

If it makes you feel any better, I told Jcap to get rid of all of that.



It was a bad week that lead up to me snapping on everyone. Nothing I can do, but face the consequences of my explosion. IE: The -rep

I'm not going to crap up this thread anymore, if you want to discuss it with me then take it to a PM

[StankBacon]

way to shit up the topic guys.

[JDMFSeanP]

Are the overhauled weapons going to be the only ones available in the maps?

[Syuusuke]

Vehicles too man! And more...




Q: Ohh, so whats going to be overhauled?
A:
Vehicles
Warthog
Ghost
Scorpion
Weapons
Assault Rifle
Pistol (will return as Battle Rifle)
Sniper Rifle
Shotgun
Needler
Characters
Master Chief
Levels
Longest
Sidewinder
Blood Gulch
Hang Em High (maybe)
New Mombassa Classic

[Tweek]

i'm going to do Prisoner first, then maybe danger canyon.

[Bodzilla]

way to shit up the topic guys.
^

This looks great guys, i just wish you'd Consider making some of the smaller maps such as chillout, or Derelict.

god i love those maps <3

and nice fucking Hog WOL, and on a side note, so how goes contact with Dano atm?
is he really active on aim or something? i aint seen much of him online atm. i fear he got a life.
and who else is Texturing with our favorite long haired girl?

keep up the good work, and keep me posting.
because right now, I'm Moist.

E:

i'm going to do Prisoner first, then maybe danger canyon.
Neuro was in XCE at one stage wasn't he? Hit him up for his Prisoner re-make and you'd save ya self some serious time..
because that was looking awesome last i saw it.

anyone heard from him lately?

[StankBacon]

w00000000t!

[Sever]

WoL, one thing I want to know is how much of a 'remake' are you making the stock maps? If you are going to keep the same exact theme and just do everything in much greater detail, that's one thing, but if you are, for example, going to take Sidewinder and turn it into the inside of a UNSC ship or something, that's a different story. How much creativity are you intending to put into redesigning each level? I myself have had some pretty interesting remake ideas that take the map and bring it to new heights.

I am currently working on my Rat Race remake (don't expect anything major soon - I'm still learning how to model, and have a bit of a life left), which has been quite changed from the original scale, had an immense amount added to the general layout, and is firmly located in an Earth-based weapons shipping facility. Once I can model terrain properly I plan to remake Chill Out and Hang 'Em High as exterior semi-natural environments.

[Geo]

Seeing Sidewinder remade as a the inside of UNSC ship would be interesting, but I think that a remake of Wizard would be cool. Good job so far guys. +rep

[Corndogman]

I am currently working on my Rat Race remake (don't expect anything major soon - I'm still learning how to model, and have a bit of a life left), which has been quite changed from the original scale, had an immense amount added to the general layout, and is firmly located in an Earth-based weapons shipping facility. Once I can model terrain properly I plan to remake Chill Out and Hang 'Em High as exterior semi-natural environments.

it would be cool to see it like its further in the future and one of the walls has been destroyed allowing you to go outside with a cool looking environment. you could make it really good looking if you did it right. just a thought.

[Bad Waffle]

WoL, one thing I want to know is how much of a 'remake' are you making the stock maps? If you are going to keep the same exact theme and just do everything in much greater detail, that's one thing, but if you are, for example, going to take Sidewinder and turn it into the inside of a UNSC ship or something, that's a different story. How much creativity are you intending to put into redesigning each level? I myself have had some pretty interesting remake ideas that take the map and bring it to new heights.

I am currently working on my Rat Race remake (don't expect anything major soon - I'm still learning how to model, and have a bit of a life left), which has been quite changed from the original scale, had an immense amount added to the general layout, and is firmly located in an Earth-based weapons shipping facility. Once I can model terrain properly I plan to remake Chill Out and Hang 'Em High as exterior semi-natural environments.

I'm keeping the map's style, the only part that will be changing is that the detail will be overhauled. No gameplay changes will occur, because then it becomes something other than a remake.

This isn't a mod to "fix" halo's gameplay--no, halo's gameplay is amazing. This is a mod to make my eyes water as i run over people with a hog.

Also to tide us over until halo 3...

[Tweek]

I'm keeping the map's style, the only part that will be changing is that the detail will be overhauled.

oh..

:<

want me to start over?

[Sever]

Tweek, keep what you have, finish it, and release it as your own. Also, at the same time, start over and finish/release HighResHalo versions of Prisoner and Danger Canyon. Prove how awesome you are.

[MMFSdjw]

I'd LOVE to see a high res prisoner. Keep at it guys!

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Please say you will add a zombies gametype setup scripted in :)

[Sever]

Zombies is not possible in Halo 1 or 2, due to lack of ability to script gametypes.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Team change could be player set, but could weapon spawns be done properly?

[Sever]

WoL has already said that this is just a graphical remake, nothing more.

[Rob Oplawar]

*grabs WoL by the ear, speaks in a severely annoyed manner* can I speak with you over here for a moment? *drags WoL painfully into the corner*

srsly, e-mail me, or get your ass on AIM. I have to talk to you about this.

[ODX]

patrickssj is working on a Zombie gametype script, but what does it have to do with High-Res-Halo?

[SuperSunny]

I'd LOVE to see a high res prisoner. Keep at it guys!

Working on it, well, partially. You get my drift.

[Bodzilla]

Oh i just remembered why we havnt heard much from dano lately.

his sister pluged a USB cable in BACKWARDS into the puter and fucked his motherboard :/
come to think of it, i was sposed to take him a cd so he could re install windows :X

whoops.

[ExAm]

Oh i just remembered why we havnt heard much from dano lately.

his sister pluged a USB cable in BACKWARDS into the puter and fucked his motherboard :/
come to think of it, i was sposed to take him a cd so he could re install windows :X

whoops.What the hell? You really have to jam those things in there to do that :/

[Xetsuei]

Look at my system specs...I could test and do screenshots/videos at 1920x1080. D:

[CtrlAltDestroy]

Then again, halo is not a very demanding game at all.

[Bad Waffle]

holy fuck, two 8800GTX? sure thing you can do videos D:

[legionaire45]

Xetsuei™;218175']Look at my system specs...I could test and do screenshots/videos at 1920x1080. D:
I could do them at 2560 x 1600 :D.

All the stuff you guys have looks great so far. Keep it up. o/

[Tweek]

ffs, you can run halo at 8000x6000 on an overhead projector if you wanted to.

[Syuusuke]

Need a semi-mid range card user to see how low it can go?

[Botolf]

I have an 8600 GT, that's considered midrange for this generation.

[Sel]

I have an 8600 GT, that's considered midrange for this generation.

I have an X1100 and I can play Crysis at 10 FPS :(

Can I play this :O

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

I can play this, i has a 8400, its decent :)

[Sever]

I have an I don't care get back on topic. I want to see some of the Covenant maps redone. Chill Out and Damnation would be awesome with redone lighting and modeling. I just wish I had enough skill to even play a part in this.

[Syuusuke]

I can't imagine Damnation differently, it would be nice to see different one.

[Sever]

They aren't making anything different, just in greater detail.

However, I had a remake of Damnation planned, but could never really get into it other than the basic 3d layout. I couldn't get a good theme to work for it that would account for the layout's oddities (the horizontal beams leading to the sniper ridge, the double-backing setup of the upper base, etc.) so I'm not bothering with it for a while. Once I can competently model terrain, I will, however, make a Chill Out remake which will have a very concise and logical (if you can call Forerunner architecture logical) theme.

[t3h m00kz]

I LOVE YOU FOR THE PISTOL TO BATTLE RIFLE THINGY YOU JUST DID THAR HAVE MEIN BABIES.

Sexy shit there son... revamped New Mombasa is sex

[Bodzilla]

What the hell? You really have to jam those things in there to do that :/
you havnt met his sister then, when theres a will theres a way.

like i think she broke the Plastic thing that stops you doing that lawl.

[Syuusuke]

They aren't making anything different, just in greater detail..

Which is still different, but I know what you were trying to get me at.

[SuperSunny]

They aren't making anything different, just in greater detail.

I believe some of the content will be different. For example, if Sidewinder were to be redone, it would be the typical same icy map. It would take place in an altered atmosphere, taking advantage of stronger graphical work.

Similar to Tombstone/Hang Em High, except without teh suck.

[king_nothing_]

Pistol (will return as Battle Rifle)
I stopped reading right there.

Not really, but I should have. :fail:

[Apoc4lypse]

his sister pluged a USB cable in BACKWARDS into the puter and fucked his motherboard :/

what hows that one work... lol, I've never been able to fit a usb cable into my pc backwards ever. It just seems physically impossible.

At any rate that sux...

Also... ^ yeah :( no pistol. I never really liked the battle rifle to be honest. I personally liked it better when it was a semi automatic gun like in the e3 video. The burst fire always annoyed me, plus what rifle shoots only in burst mode, I mean wtf? (I bet there is a gun that does this and some gun knowledgeable person is gonna yell at me, but still its a dumb idea anyway).

I hardly ever used that horrid weapon in halo 2... the covi carbine was my fav rifle, aside from the sniper rifle.

Also about gfx cards.. ATI Radeon 9700 TX ftw :D

I need an upgrade... my system won't even run XP SP2. I have some sort of incompatibility problem with it that I can't solve.

[SuperSunny]

Wave, I HIGHLY recommend against using any "Halo 2" weapons. Keep it Halo. No Battle Rifle. No weapon and statistic changes. It's a graphical improvement to how the game looks and interacts. At best, simply just improve upon the animations and the feel. The Bungie-Style has been proven to work.

It turns gamers away when a change is made that reflects upon gameplay in a negative way. Battle Rifle combat in Halo 1 has not been proven effective enough to retain the value of the original game. The Pistol has been, and will probably still be, the greatest weapon in the entire game!

Even if the model is to be changed, I believe it should not. Simply upgrade the Pistol Model and Animation! Keep it idea exactly the same.

[Zeph]

Also... ^ yeah :( no pistol. I never really liked the battle rifle to be honest. I personally liked it better when it was a semi automatic gun like in the e3 video.

That's what it's going to be. It's just a graphical update. The model for the pistol is going to be replaced with a BR.

[Sever]

I'm just making a recommendation: make this (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M6J_Carbine). It would explain the pistol's precision and accuracy a bit better, and would be new, while still being a pistol. Just a suggestion, though.

[Bad Waffle]

I stopped reading right there.

Not really, but I should have. :fail:


Wave, I HIGHLY recommend against using any "Halo 2" weapons. Keep it Halo. No Battle Rifle. No weapon and statistic changes. It's a graphical improvement to how the game looks and interacts. At best, simply just improve upon the animations and the feel. The Bungie-Style has been proven to work.

It turns gamers away when a change is made that reflects upon gameplay in a negative way. Battle Rifle combat in Halo 1 has not been proven effective enough to retain the value of the original game. The Pistol has been, and will probably still be, the greatest weapon in the entire game!

Even if the model is to be changed, I believe it should not. Simply upgrade the Pistol Model and Animation! Keep it idea exactly the same.

No gameplay will be changed--only the model. But i think i'll retain the pistol, and place battle rifles on the map. They can supply pistol ammo, because they're practically the same weapon. I think ill even have the backpack mod, anybody like or dislike that idea? Meh, we'll mess with it anyways.

[Sever]

Why would you keep the Pistol as a usable weapon, but place Battle Rifles as ammunition? It makes no sense. Stick with one throughout, and preferably the M6D or a variant thereof for the reasons of consistency.

[Bad Waffle]

but i like the br :(

[Sel]

I stopped reading right there.

Not really, but I should have. :fail:

Agreed, keep the pistol :rape:

[Bad Waffle]

alright, im axing the br and keeping pistol. Rejoice!

[StankBacon]

yay, br is ugly/shitty.

[Con]

yay!

[Bad Waffle]

im thinking of giving the pistol a magnum-esque remodel with a slightly longer barrel and scope. It'll look sweet, fo sho.

Anyways, hog update.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3259/update1me7.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5131/update2jy7.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9440/update3if8.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1336/update4zm3.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3231/update5ms3.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2406/update6wb4.jpg

[Sever]

im thinking of giving the pistol a magnum-esque remodel with a slightly longer barrel and scope.

So, basically the M6J Carbine (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M6J_Carbine), as I suggested before. Also, hog looks hawt. All it needs is a driver seat... and a steering wheel... and a passenger seat... and a dashboard... and... lulz.

[Bad Waffle]

lulz are already installed, check under the hood

also, yes on the pistol, minus the stock. That would look funkay with the chief.

[Roostervier]

Awesome gun is awesome. :awesome:

I like it a lot, it looks great.

[Sever]

M6J without a stock would make since, seeing that stocks can be easily removed for storage purposes, and Spartans are capable of wielding other extremely high caliber weapons without any major recoil problems. Other than that damn SMG. Seriously, what the fuck is up with that? You can effortlessly flip a tank and easily haul a god-knows-how-many megaton bomb, but the popcorn-maker-gun still has upwards recoil.

[Bad Waffle]

bungie took the "its a game" motif too far, if you ask me.

[Timo]

Can't wait to see that badass hog skinned :-D

[Bad Waffle]

my god, it will be epic.

[BobtheGreatII]

So why does the hog only have 2 barrels on the chain gun?

Edit: Nvm it's not the regular spinning chain gun.

[Bad Waffle]

because i felt like mounting two futuristic M2's on it? It looked a lot more badass than the revolving turret, i checked.

[BobtheGreatII]

because i felt like mounting two futuristic M2's on it? It looked a lot more badass than the revolving turret, i checked.

Lol, ok. It does look better, but I still kinda miss the revolving turret spewing bullets everywhere. :(

[Bad Waffle]

bullets will be spewed everywhere still, although now theres two 50's spewing em :D

[BobtheGreatII]

bullets will be spewed everywhere still, although now theres two 50's spewing em :D
Epic.

[t3h m00kz]

Sexy as fuck oh mah gawd

[Tweek]

i dont like the new gun

[ExAm]

bullets will be spewed everywhere still, although now theres two 50's spewing em :DNedz moar 3 rotatin 50s spewin k?

EDIT: Or quadmount <3

[StankBacon]

i dont really like the new hog at all tbh.

it just looks too smooth and round.

[chicane]

Well, maybe I'm a blind fool, but I'm not quite sure I understand what this is :confused2:. I think what I've understood from the post is that your putting halo maps and other content on different game engines and in higher quality?

[Bad Waffle]

i dont really like the new hog at all tbh.

it just looks too smooth and round.
cars usually arent boxes, you know.


Nedz moar 3 rotatin 50s spewin k?

EDIT: Or quadmount <3
i think because everybody hates the two, ill go back to rotating tri barrels.


Well, maybe I'm a blind fool, but I'm not quite sure I understand what this is :confused2:. I think what I've understood from the post is that your putting halo maps and other content on different game engines and in higher quality?

It's halo...in high res. Thats why i named the mod High Res Halo.

[chicane]

Oh really? I'm sorry I didn't know that was possible :(.

[JDMFSeanP]

Don't like the new turret, it's just not hog for me.

[Bad Waffle]

i already said it, ima change the turret back D:

[Boba]

i already said it, ima change the turret back D:
What about an M61? It's a rotary cannon, and modern. :-3

[JDMFSeanP]

i already said it, ima change the turret back D:

Oh, my apologies, skipped that piece.

You should try a h3 style turret over an h1 maybe, might be cool, or combine some elements of both.

[SuperSunny]

Before judging by a lack of properly rendered screenshots with all the textures applied, it should be judged until it is textured and in-game. Keeping that in mind, I think those renders should not have been shown until it reached that stage.

[Bad Waffle]

sunny, i like to show updates to the model to see if people liked how it turned out, before i uv and texture it. It helps make everybody happy. And with that said, i redid the barrel. Take a peek.


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5071/86489494js1.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/378/newgunqs0.jpg

[JDMFSeanP]

Only thing I can say is maybe make the tip piece a little larger, but thats just personal preference.

Great work!

[BobtheGreatII]

The hooks seem off, just the shape I think, they don't look like you could hook anything up to them.

Edit: And where are the lights on top of the windshield, srsly, that's like a key part of the hog.

Edit 2: and maybe the intake fans on the hood of it too, that would be cool.

Edit 3: Meh, keep finding things, just little stuff, I know you're going for an original look, just some things that you might be able to add. Some of it could be covered by textures (like on the wheels) but I really think it would be cool to have the vent/intake in the hood.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1881/66754782tm2.png

[Bad Waffle]

uhh, yea i wasnt done. Don't worry, i knew i hadnt modeled the front vents or the foglights. It will come...don't have an aneurism...

[BobtheGreatII]

uhh, yea i wasnt done. Don't worry, i knew i hadnt modeled the front vents or the foglights. It will come...don't have an aneurism...

Ok, lol, just ideas.

[ExAm]

sunny, i like to show updates to the model to see if people liked how it turned out, before i uv and texture it. It helps make everybody happy. And with that said, i redid the barrel. Take a peek.


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5071/86489494js1.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/378/newgunqs0.jpg


I am ExAm, and I approve of this gun. I suggest you taper the individual barrels outward a little towards the back. Most miniguns have barrels like that.

[Bad Waffle]

I am ExAm, and I approve of this gun. I suggest you taper the individual barrels outward a little towards the back. Most miniguns have barrels like that.

They do taper out a bit, but ill make it more noticable. I'll also make the flashguard thing a BIT bigger.

[Sever]

Make the end ring on the turret triangular, not cylindrical (like the mid-disc attaching the three barrels, but without the indents). It looks better when items like that conform to the contours underneath.

[Reaper Man]

Looking awesome. I hope you're planning on doing mental ray lightmaps. :-3

[paladin]

Nice job.

[Bad Waffle]

Make the end ring on the turret triangular, not cylindrical (like the mid-disc attaching the three barrels, but without the indents). It looks better when items like that conform to the contours underneath.

tried that, didnt look better. Only the mid-disc.

[Sever]

Try a triangular hexagon, maybe. Like the Nod symbol from C&C. It might be good to have sharp edges to contrast the roundedness of the whole gun and firing animations. Just throwing ideas out there as usual.

[TeeKup]

Most impressive WoL. I'm really loving that hog. Like boba suggested before, why not replace the banshee with the kestrel. Re-design the kestrel from scratch but keep the frame similar to the original concept. I would certainly love to see a High-res kestrel from you.

[SnaFuBAR]

I'd rather see a high res, redesigned banshee tbh.

[Leiukemia]

I hate you. I hate you I hate you I hate you. :( . This is rediculously fantastic, I just opened this thread for the first time and I'm blown away. Holy shit man. I fucking love all of it, I haven't read a thing, just looked at pictures, will read later.

[Apoc4lypse]

I'd rather see a high res, redesigned banshee tbh.

I can agree, and the hog looks sick.


need moar texture :D lol /sarcasm

[BobtheGreatII]

Hmm... what's coming next in the high res vehicle list?

[Bad Waffle]

After i finish some bridge CE work (and the HRH biped), it will be the scorpion.

[SnaFuBAR]

Hmm... what's coming next in the high res vehicle list?
Your mother rocket hog probably

[BobtheGreatII]

NO YOURS! Nah really, that's cool, I hope so.

[MMFSdjw]

NO MINE!


oh wait, how does this go again?

Anyway, looks great. Are you doing the cheif aswell? Has someone started on him?

[Leiukemia]

After i finish some bridge CE work (and the HRH biped), it will be the scorpion.

Fuck I can't wait to see what you do with that man.

[Bad Waffle]

NO MINE!


oh wait, how does this go again?

Anyway, looks great. Are you doing the cheif aswell? Has someone started on him?

Of course we're doing the chief. Look at the first post for complete list of details.

And yes...the scorpion will be pwn.

[Cyanide]

I hope I'm not out of line by saying that I think you may have made an overstatement with the Crysis comment...

But this does look like its gonna be a Great idea....

But my question is....how many people are gonna play this because there computers might not be able to handle it.
Hell, half the people I know cant play Halo CE straight off the bat....

So again....how often or how long do you think this is gonna be hosted for?

But indeed, this makes me harder than a diamond in an ice storm! Sry, stupid reference from a crappy movie

[BobtheGreatII]

I imagine they're gonna stress the Halo engine to it's max, so it wouldn't surprise me if it reached almost Crysis level of detail.

[Cyanide]

I think you may be underestimating Crysis....

But maybe I'm overestimating Crysis....

Or underestimating this Mod....

Either way....its gonna be great.

And also...if you do New Mombasa, make it a map we'll wanna play....I hated the first one with a passion....

Perhaps make it smaller ( I know your not doing anything of that sort but for that map I think it may be necessary...)

[Bad Waffle]

Thanks for reading the first post and understanding the fact that im not changing any gameplay.

[Bad Waffle]

UPDATE: Since i knew i wasnt gonna be changing anything to the roads, i uv'd and textured em, complete with diffuse/bump/spec.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3243/road1hr2.png
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6990/road2mk2.png
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/994/road3gy9.png
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6263/road4eg0.png

[Sel]

WoL, dont be a pissant, sit back and let me suck your E penis.

[Disaster]

Nice. Looks really good so far WoL. Looking forward to seeing this completed. +rep

[Cyanide]

Damn...that looks nice! I like them more than the original ones, which I guess you could say looked Cell Shaded?

Anyways...E fellatio or not....that is awesome :D

[t3h m00kz]

No baby skulls? :(

[chicane]

Wow I really like that road texture

[Sever]

Your roads aren't British enough. And what's with the grooves at the intersection?

[Cyanide]

AAH! another question....your not gonna do that ridiculous spraypaint thing are you?

Because I know its not in your list but just hoping not.

[Bad Waffle]

No baby skulls? :(

they're there, just beat into a mush and mixed with the cement.

[randreach454]

if you play new mombasa, youll find a sign with jack bauer's(remember him?) and my name on it, you oughta recreate that texture and throw it into your remake :-D I think it was on the side of an onramp..

[Bad Waffle]

Your roads aren't British enough. And what's with the grooves at the intersection?

british enough?

grooves at intersections? whats with them, won't you tell me?

[Cyanide]

New Mombasa is a major port city and industrial center, located in the East African Protectorate on Earth.....

Africa + Future = Any Goddamn road imaginable ^-^

We could have freakin' Rainbow Roads for all we know...but I guess he decided to go for halo theme...since this is halo I think...not Brittan....lol.

[Masterz1337]

How big is the gbxmodel tag for the hog?

Have you thought about the tag space limits?

[Bad Waffle]

doesnt tool pro work if you only have 1 bsp?

[Limited]

Your roads aren't British enough. And what's with the grooves at the intersection?British roads are poop. Roads look fine WoL, but a bit concretey

[n00b1n8R]

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6263/road4eg0.png
what's up with the strange patern?
Also, fucking Americans, learn to drive on the correct side of the road. <:mad:>

[Masterz1337]

doesnt tool pro work if you only have 1 bsp?
IIRC that will make it exception on loading. I only use tool_pro when finding out which bsp in the sp map has to many tags. And tool_pro can bypass UI restrictions.

[Cyanide]

Australian historian M. G. Lay traced the first regulation of one-side-or-the-other to the Chinese bureaucracy of 1100 B.C. The Book of Rites stated: "The right side of the road is for men, the left side for women and the center for carriages." This Western Zhou dynasty rule applied only to the dynasty's wide official roads and was "more concerned with protocol than avoiding head-on collisions."


Right side came first :D

Anyways...Still looks great! Are you going to be doing anything "scripty", or is that too impactive on gameplay?

[Bad Waffle]

if you play new mombasa, youll find a sign with jack bauer's(remember him?) and my name on it, you oughta recreate that texture and throw it into your remake :-D I think it was on the side of an onramp..

i never saw a sign in NMC with your guys name on it anywhere, and i would know seeing as how i probably spent a months worth of time playing that map. Ingame.

what's up with the strange patern?
Also, fucking Americans, learn to drive on the correct side of the road. <:mad:>

what strange patten? :|

[Sever]

The strange indentations that appear in the intersection. No normal roads have those. Not even future roads.

[MMFSdjw]

Acctualy, many roads have patterns in them from when they put sensors for traffic lights in there. It makes sense for future roads to have similar sensors but more conplex resulting in patterns like that.

Either way, I think it looks fine.

[Sever]

Yes, but the weight sensors are located where the cars are intended to stop at, not in the middle of the intersections. WoL, kill the indentations. Asphalt roads are not modular, they're a continuous plane.

[MMFSdjw]

Oh quit nit picking.

[SnaFuBAR]

Yes, but the weight sensors are located where the cars are intended to stop at, not in the middle of the intersections. WoL, kill the indentations. Asphalt roads are not modular, they're a continuous plane.
You don't know if a large section of the road is intended to be able to be taken out for maintenance with large equipment or anything like that.:ssh:

[Roostervier]

The strange indentations that appear in the intersection. No normal roads have those. Not even future roads.
I get your argument about roads being "continuous plane" (despite the fact that most are curved, some plane, eh? Although I know what you mean =p) But really, the comment I quoted was just stupid. Not even future roads. I don't get how you'd know that. Tbh, I think they are fine.

[Bad Waffle]

Yes, but the weight sensors are located where the cars are intended to stop at, not in the middle of the intersections. WoL, kill the indentations. Asphalt roads are not modular, they're a continuous plane.
i know you really don't like it, but you're not thinking about aesthetics. Lets look at the forerunner. OMG, WHY DO THEY HAVE SUCH STRANGE ANGLES? OMG WHY DO THEY HAVE ALL THOSE PATTERNS ON TEH FLOOR! NO FLOORS HAEV DOSE!

see my point?


You don't know if a large section of the road is intended to be able to be taken out for maintenance with large equipment or anything like that.:ssh:
^ bingo

[TeeKup]

i know you really don't like it, but you're not thinking about aesthetics. Lets look at the forerunner. OMG, WHY DO THEY HAVE SUCH STRANGE ANGLES? OMG WHY DO THEY HAVE ALL THOSE PATTERNS ON TEH FLOOR! NO FLOORS HAEV DOSE!

Because they forerunner were so cool they were allowed to.

[Bad Waffle]

are you insulting my cool level? i think you are.

Just wait until i put some more crap into the level, then we'll see who's cooler...

[TeeKup]

Do it!! >:U

[Bad Waffle]

but i am le tired.

i seriously need to take a nap first, school drained me.

I WILL RETURN.

[Sever]

Either do the patterns nowhere, or everywhere. Be consistent - it helps.

[Bad Waffle]

Sever, realize what you're saying. there ARE patterns everywhere. that's how the roads are segmented in NMC, and thats how they're going to be segmented in this map. Stop being so bloody critical about the creases and think of the complete picture, otherwise you will never be able to make such a large and detailed map yourself--it'll take too bloody long. I've had enough of this--i always welcome people's crit, its what changed the hog barrel for example--but when its able something retarded thats carried out for a few pages then its just silly. I listened to you before, but im going to ignore the complete argument of the bloody road creases now because i'd rather make progress on the map. Capice?

[Sever]

Good. Part of me was just having fun with how everyone reacted to it (what can I say, I'm playfully evil), but I'm actually fine with how it is. Keep at it, with this and any other projects you're working on, and keep showing us stuff at will. Also, any chance of doing an HRH version of No Remorse? Along with the HRH treatment, just a few bsp fixes and scaling issues would make that map even more amazing.

[Bad Waffle]

oh don't lie you dog, i can see what you're doing you sly thing you ;)

If i did a no remorse it would take a while--but we're assuming i do this after NMC, so at least i'll have textures and detail objects out the wazoo to help.

[ExAm]

what's up with the strange patern?
Also, fucking Americans, learn to drive on the correct side of the road. <:mad:>I see what you did there :downs:

[Heathen]

I like the road patterns tbh....makes it seem more..."wtf-ey." And thats what a sci-fi game is for.....

[paintballakid5]

look like it's gonna be awesome Wave of lag, hopefully i wil lhave my new computer when this comes out.... but i think i'm gonna get my computer after this summer.(have to earn money at summer work)

keep up the great work Wave!:D

[Leiukemia]

If you change the pattern on the road I will eat your brain. I will eat it. I'd fucking punch it and then eat it. I'd fucking step on it then punch it and eat it. So don't change the pattern.

[p0lar_bear]

but i am le tired.

Well, have a nap...

...DEN FIRE ZE MISSILES!

[n00b1n8R]

I see what you did there :downs:
:downs:

[Bad Waffle]

Had some time to do some work on this, among other things.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2369/omgwow3sg7.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3181/omglulz2bh3.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9189/lolzomguk1.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/815/awerasdfasdfyn3.jpg

Everything is still very much a WIP.

[PopeAK49]

everything looks nice but theres something about the parking garage in the second pic that seems almost out of place. i cant really explain it. or maybe just move the building back alttle.

[Sever]

Everything is still very much a WIP.

Quite a lot of 'W' is evident, judging by the amount of 'P' in this WIP. I agree with the garage looking wrong, though. Even though many parts of the MP H2 level, Terminal, don't make much sense as to how they are placed pertaining to each other, still take a look at the parking garage in it, and emulate it slightly. Yours needs a bit more function built into its design. Its made to safely hold vehicles - give it some guard rails or cables (like the ones on ship decks, so the view won't be greatly obstructed for incoming and outgoing fire) and some more supporting columns (just not so much that they will provide ample cover - the garage is still meant to have risk to it).

Otherwise, I'm honestly really liking everything else. Keep it up, but don't burn yourself out on it.

[Bad Waffle]

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3245/vshotrc5.png
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1454/asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfkw6.png
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8242/asdfasdfadfev0.png

[JDMFSeanP]

Looks like epic fun, great work.

[Bad Waffle]

Quite a lot of 'W' is evident, judging by the amount of 'P' in this WIP. I agree with the garage looking wrong, though. Even though many parts of the MP H2 level, Terminal, don't make much sense as to how they are placed pertaining to each other, still take a look at the parking garage in it, and emulate it slightly. Yours needs a bit more function built into its design. Its made to safely hold vehicles - give it some guard rails or cables (like the ones on ship decks, so the view won't be greatly obstructed for incoming and outgoing fire) and some more supporting columns (just not so much that they will provide ample cover - the garage is still meant to have risk to it).

Otherwise, I'm honestly really liking everything else. Keep it up, but don't burn yourself out on it.

I would have done that with the garage, but i have the keep the gameplay as sterile as possible. The old NMC didnt have rails, so this wont have rails, sadly.

[Boba]

On the different buildings, you should have those hanging-glass panels with advertisements and shit on them.

[paladin]

On the different buildings, you should have those hanging-glass panels with advertisements and shit on them.

Can I advertise? Ill pay money.

[Bad Waffle]

its odd you say that boba, i was actually going to do that...

[NuggetWarmer]

Looks good. I can't wait to check out the finished product. :)

[Bad Waffle]

Can I advertise? Ill pay money.

oh sure. ill throw up a few templates tomorrow for some bulletin boards etc etc. i dunno about the money thing tho ;0

[Sever]

Make the ads projected holograms. It is the future after all. If you can get away with having fucked-up roads, you can surely have holo-ads. lol

[Masterz1337]

But the roads arn't fucked up. You just don't like them.

[NuggetWarmer]

I like the roads. >:(

[ItsMeTerror]

Idk what it is but to me everything look randomly placed, I mean great modeling but idk what it is thats making it all look out of place. Im thinking where its all missing textures.

[Zeph]

everything looks nice but theres something about the parking garage in the second pic that seems almost out of place. i cant really explain it. or maybe just move the building back alttle.

What, you mean it actually works for gameplay now? RL Geometry != good gameplay.

[Sever]

You just don't like them.
And you just don't like ninja-text. I already resolved the whole road issue a while back in this thread.

[fatso784]

What, you mean it actually works for gameplay now? RL Geometry != good gameplay.

Hehe I get it... :lol:

[Masterz1337]

If you resolved it, why bring it back up. And sorry if I don't highlight EVERY post I read.

[Bad Waffle]

shush masters, you could have just left it at severs last post.

Im going to end up adding more detail in the form of some objects later on after a few gameplay tests, which wont happen as long as i cant figure out how to model a few parts on the outer boundaries of the level. The stuff inside is a cakewalk, but making realistic BOUNDARIES for the level, now thats hard stuff.

[SnaFuBAR]

either use large barricades like i did with veblensk and extend the city beyond those, or block them off with architecture and closed off highway entrance tunnels.

[Sever]

Maybe something along the same lines of - but slightly less sinister and destructive than - the Combine barricades from HL2.

[Zeph]

either use large barricades like i did with veblensk and extend the city beyond those, or block them off with architecture and closed off highway entrance tunnels.

Do not extend what you can see of the city.

[Bad Waffle]

no you see i could have already done all those, but it has to be big enough to block out banshees as well. Oh well, might as well just make an invisible wall.

[BobtheGreatII]

no you see i could have already done all those, but it has to be big enough to block out banshees as well. Oh well, might as well just make an invisible wall.

I though the Banshees weren't getting put in. :gonk:

[PopeAK49]

What, you mean it actually works for gameplay now? RL Geometry != good gameplay.

i didnt say anything works for gameplay, but even though something could look so realistic, and well design (not saying this map sux at gameplay.) it can still sux at gameplay. Even though this map is a wip i do hope this is epic.

[Bad Waffle]

I though the Banshees weren't getting put in. :gonk:

what made you think that? banshees are a great aspect of the map.

[Martini-562]

what made you think that? banshees are a great aspect of the map.

lol thats not what you said at the start of the thread.

[Bodzilla]

it's what he's always said

NBC without a shee or two is like the MC without any balls.
does not work.

the maps large enough and theres enough cover all over the place to avoid them.

[StankBacon]

what made you think that? banshees are a great aspect of the map.

of NMC?

O-o, they fucking RUINED the map and its game play.

[Masterz1337]

THe only bag thing about banhsees in NMC was flag caps. They were awsome otherwise, and they never have been that ahrd to take down.

[Sever]

That settles it - just make them not spawn standard on CTF.

[Bad Waffle]

of NMC?

O-o, they fucking RUINED the map and its game play.
what are you talking about? they made it better. I thinky you never USED the shees, so you never REALIZED how good they were. You could use them in the beginning of a game to quickly get to the parking structure, rocket launcher, etc--you could use them for ctf rushes, defense, they were critical to the maps size.



That settles it - just make them not spawn standard on CTF.

I dont remember if they get spawned in normal CTF in NMC, but if they do, they'll spawn here. Guys, stop arguing the gameplay--i'm not changing it.


lol thats not what you said at the start of the thread.

lol yur rong nub

[Hunter]

Banshees make the map awesome. I was always in one, and they are balanced.

[fatso784]

Banshees make the map awesome

From the same people that brought you classics such as Hugeass and Coldsnap, comes a map so utterly unbalanced, it defies explanation.

[Bad Waffle]

what? fatso, you made no sense right there.

[Hunter]

Please explain what you just said fatso, because me nor Wave of Lag haven't got a clue...

[JunkfoodMan]

From the same people that brought you classics such as Hugeass and Coldsnap, comes a map so utterly unbalanced, it defies explanation.

What fatso is saying is that Banshees are what makes a map's gameplay go down the shitter. And comparing what they made this map to Coldsnap or Hugeass.
Also, I don't think saying "I'm keeping the way I like it, I don't care about other's opinions" is very good at all. Maybe you could edit the banshee's capabilities in the map, or edit spawns (Like sever said).

[Hunter]

Or add a homing rocket... Because banshees can still dodge homing rockets. Saves people crying about banshee noobs.