[INACCURATE] Vista - It's started, fine print says it can delete programs at any time

[Limited]

Okay so I've been rabitting on about this before vista was released, these security issues will rape us over.

Now its started..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6319845.stm

Key parts


Vista also incorporates Windows Defender, a security program that actively scans computers for "spyware, adware, and other potentially unwanted software". The agreement does not define any of these terms, leaving it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software.
Once operational, the agreement warns that Windows Defender will, by default, automatically remove software rated "high" or "severe" even though that may result in other software ceasing to work or mistakenly result in the removal of software that is not unwanted.




Mr Gutmann focused primarily on the restrictions associated with the ability to play high-definition content from the next-generation Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs (referred to as "premium content"). He noted that Vista intentionally degrades the picture quality of premium content when played on most computer monitors.So vista can delete files and programs when ever they see fit. So suddenly your halo2 doesnt work because they deleted a file, or any other game.


This is why vista sucks, the security measures are kinda good, yet they can do more damage than they fix.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6316253.stm

[WhÎþLå§h ÐÆmØÑ]

Oh, what in the hell.

[Reaper Man]

Oh, what in the hell.
The answer to your question is Microsoft. <_<

[Chewy Gumball]

The lesson here is that law abiding consumers pay for things they didn't do.

I highly doubt halo2 would require a file microsoft would delete. I highly doubt any game would require a file microsoft wolud delete. It is possible though.

[legionaire45]

What microsoft needs to relize is that their stupid DRM/intrusive bullshit will only make people want to pirate software. Why pay good money for something that pisses you off? Piracy sure seems like the better choice to me. Unless of coarse you're like me who has a friend who works at M$ (LOL JAHRAIN) and can get stuff for cheap.

[Cortexian]

So? Microsoft does have enough sense to let you disable Windows Defender and/or all of the other security components.

And it only deletes programs that it thinks pose a security risk, if if can't clean the file that it thinks is infected, it quarintines it, if it can't do that, it askes you if you want to delete it.

Have you even used Vista yet?

[Abdurahman]

im not gettin vista

[Cortexian]

im not gettin vista
Thank you for pointing that out us, why are you on the "Halo 2 Vista" forum then? If you are just here for the CMT section, please start making posts that contribute to the community.

[DaneO'Roo]

^snap

CMT will be going to H2V, so if ya don't want vista, please, piss off now


and about Vista. lol. I aint gettign Vista until Halo 2 Vista comes out. By then, all the inevitable release bugs should be ironed out.

I use the term "should" very loosely here

[WhÎþLå§h ÐÆmØÑ]

So? Microsoft does have enough sense to let you disable Windows Defender and/or all of the other security components.

And it only deletes programs that it thinks pose a security risk, if if can't clean the file that it thinks is infected, it quarintines it, if it can't do that, it askes you if you want to delete it.

Have you even used Vista yet?Thank god.

[Atty]

Silly children overreacting and jumping on the "WE HATE MICROSOFT" bandwagon. :sigh:

[JDMFSeanP]

Silly children overreacting and jumping on the "WE HATE MICROSOFT" bandwagon. :sigh:

Seriously, ive been using Vista for over two months and other than a virus that existed for a day before they released a full security patch (virus from over aim, not system), i havent had any problems at all.

I really like it, the looks and the ease of use, people bitch wayyyy too much.

[rossmum]

The answer to your question is Microsoft. <_<
Oh BURN.


What microsoft needs to relize is that their stupid DRM/intrusive bullshit will only make people want to pirate software. Why pay good money for something that pisses you off? Piracy sure seems like the better choice to me. Unless of coarse you're like me who has a friend who works at M$ (LOL JAHRAIN) and can get stuff for cheap.
Amen to that. The pirate/anti-pirate war is never going to end, because pirates don't care if it's illegal and big companies are too stupid to realise they can't do sweet fuck all about it.


im not gettin vista
Neither.


Thank you for pointing that out us, why are you on the "Halo 2 Vista" forum then? If you are just here for the CMT section, please start making posts that contribute to the community.
Maybe he likes the community? Maybe he's come for the CE SECTION? Maybe like me he can't afford Vista or a PC capable of running it, or just doesn't want it, and so will be playing H2V on a friend's PC?

Where is the thought before posting? :rolleyes:


^snap

CMT will be going to H2V, so if ya don't want vista, please, piss off now


and about Vista. lol. I aint gettign Vista until Halo 2 Vista comes out. By then, all the inevitable release bugs should be ironed out.

I use the term "should" very loosely here
Move nearer to here so I can steal your PC to play Evo.


Seriously, ive been using Vista for over two months and other than a virus that existed for a day before they released a full security patch (virus from over aim, not system), i havent had any problems at all.

I really like it, the looks and the ease of use, people bitch wayyyy too much.
I'm sure they have their reasons. The price and sys reqs pretty much drove me off instantly... it's an OS, for fuck's sake. Not a high-end game...

[CN3089]

If you can't run Vista, you should probably upgrade. Even if you still run XP. The hardware requirements aren't steep at all.

[rossmum]

They are for us cash-strapped students without jobs or rich relatives :gonk:

[CN3089]

Hey, wait a second. Your computer is Vista Capable. :raise:

[rossmum]

You sure?

*prods PC*

This thing overheats while idling in Red Orchestra...

[Cortexian]

@ Rossmum about not thinking before my posts:

1) http://www.h2vista.net (http://www.h2vista.net)
2) CMT is moving to halo 2 vista when it comes out as well, the CE section on this forum will die away.
3) There are other forums that are dedicated to all versions of halo, and Halo CE alone, they can talk there.
4) You actually do stuff for the community and arn't a mindless nub who is only posting to get into the CMT section (or are you)?

[rossmum]

@ Rossmum about not thinking before my posts:

1) http://www.h2vista.net (http://www.h2vista.net)
2) CMT is moving to halo 2 vista when it comes out as well, the CE section on this forum will die away.
3) There are other forums that are dedicated to all versions of halo, and Halo CE alone, they can talk there.
4) You actually do stuff for the community and arn't a mindless nub who is only posting to get into the CMT section (or are you)?
1. True, but I've posted on forums for games I don't play before because the community was a good one. Some people are here to socialise rather than play.
2. Contrary to popular CMT isn't the only thing keeping the CE section alive. And in any case, I couldn't care less where CMT is going.
3. True, but why not here? The community is good, the member base is largely formed by GBX members, and it's a nice place to hang out.
4. I do? I model something from time to time, but the last time I actually released something for CE was months ago when a friend got my old M16 ingame and Reaper converted some of my Halo PC stuff over. I still don't even understand the basics of how to use the HEK...

[Reaper Man]

<_< This is exactly why I'm getting a mac.

[Limited]

Ill use vista, just not on my pc....So I will play halo 2 vista, just not on my machine as it will run XP :D

So that is why I am here freelancer.

[itszutak]

D:

Uh....wow. o_o

Vista degrades HD-DVD footage? :/

[CN3089]

You sure?

*prods PC*

This thing overheats while idling in Red Orchestra...

800MHz, 512MB RAM, DX9 Capable card, 15GB free on your HDD and a CD/DVD drive.

Heck, if you got more RAM, you'd be Vista Premium Ready. :v

[Chewy Gumball]

Only if you don't have a secure line to your monitor.

[Zeph]

O______o

Turn off defender and get an HDCP complient monitor?

[Limited]

O______o

Turn off defender and get an HDCP complient monitor?
No, vista directly effects the play back, nothing to do with monitors..


Vista also incorporates Windows Defender, a security program that actively scans computers for "spyware, adware, and other potentially unwanted software". The agreement does not define any of these terms, leaving it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software.
So they could delete any files..

[Cortexian]

I hope you relize that most anti-virus companys have the same agreement.

[jcap]

Okay so I've been rabitting on about this before vista was released, these security issues will rape us over.

Now its started..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6319845.stm

Key parts

So vista can delete files and programs when ever they see fit. So suddenly your halo2 doesnt work because they deleted a file, or any other game.


This is why vista sucks, the security measures are kinda good, yet they can do more damage than they fix.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6316253.stm



Wow, can all the Vista haters please do the world a favor and just go jump off a bridge and die? What the fuck is this article? It's complete BULLSHIT.

Freelancer said it right. It will only delete true security risks. If you don't want it to delete them, fine - disable it. They're not forcing you to use it, they're helping you protect yourself JUST AS EVERY SINGLE OTHER MAJOR ANTIVIRUS COMPANY IS. But oh dear, because Microsoft is doing it for FREE in WINDOWS VISTA, it is becoming a terrible, awful, extremely wrong thing to do. Just because it doesn't "define any of these terms", why should the meaning of "spyware" be changed just for Microsoft. It ISN'T. Gee, whoever wrote this sure used their brilliant logic and thought this all the way through!


im not gettin vistaYour post is a wonderful contribution to this thread, just like almost every single other post you made yesterday. Thanks.

[itszutak]

What about the video quality degredation? I can't think of any rational justification for that.

[jcap]

I honestly think it has to do with HDCP. Zeph is correct. If your monitor is not HDCP compliant, the picture defaults to DVD quality, JUST AS IT DOES WITH THE HD-DVD/BLU-RAY PLAYERS AND NON-HDCP COMPLIANT TVs. No where in there does it say that it doesn't have to do with HDCP, it just says that it cannot be played on "most computer monitors". The truth of the matter is that HDCP compliant computer monitors are relatively new, so NO SHIT it won't work on most monitors now.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection

Content providers for HD-DVD and Blu-ray media can set an Image Constraint Token (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_Constraint_Token) (ICT) flag that will only output full-resolution digital signals using a digital HDCP connection. If a HDCP enabled player is connected to a non-HDCP-enabled television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television) set with a non-HDCP-compliant analog connection (VGA or Component), and the content is flagged, the player will output a downsampled 960x540 pixel signal.Now do you believe that the writer is nothing but an avid fanboy of either Mac OSX or Linux, and that this entire article is bullshit?

[Timo]

bububububut jcap ur wrong they will delete some files i need so i can't use h2vista because microsoft thinks its bad and will delete it without asking me!!!

[Limited]

Dont worry, its a matter of time till more problems appear and are talked about :)

[Abdurahman]

im not gettin vista



io forgot to say im not gettin vista until h2vista comes out ; )

[rossmum]

I might - might - get it when the price comes down a lot and I get a better CPU in this bitch. Because right now it's no use to me, even if I can manage to run it.

[Reaper Man]

I <3 how vista recognizes pen gestures on drawing tablets. I'll probably check out the Hong Kong price in a couple days.

[Chewy Gumball]

Dont worry, its a matter of time till more problems appear and are talked about :)

I got a problem! It still has bsods... I don't like those!

[Zeph]

No, vista directly effects the play back, nothing to do with monitors..

Yeah, it directly affects the output quality based on whether or not an HDCP compliant display is detected. If it doesn't detect an HDCP display, it outputs a lower resolution (approximately half-resolution) as a quasi anti-pirating method. It's quite smart if you understand the reasoning behind it, but I wouldn't expect you to know that, seeing how you've shown a history of not knowing much of Vista to begin with and preaching what you hear.

edit: jcap pretty much covered it.

[JDMFSeanP]

For all you morons who think vista will make games faulty by deleting important files, are you retarded? Yes, Microsoft intentionally makes OS that fuck up your PC...

[Limited]

Lol [INACCURATE] as that you jcap? :D

oh and JDMFSeanP, some people cant even get that far because their hardware is incompatable with vista..

Nvidia has yet to release drivers for vista as well I think...

Its not the fact they delete malncious files, they havent said what they class them to be, therefore microsoft has a loophole to delete any file they see fit in the future, for instance a leak of some sort, a hack, illegal files, any reason microsoft would want todelete a file, now they can and dont even have to ask/warn you about it.

[jcap]

Lol as that you jcap? :D
Yes, because the guy who wrote the article is a dumbfuck talking out of his ass.


Its not the fact they delete malncious files, they havent said what they class them to be, therefore microsoft has a loophole to delete any file they see fit in the future, for instance a leak of some sort, a hack, illegal files, any reason microsoft would want todelete a file, now they can and dont even have to ask/warn you about it.Same as EVERY SINGLE OTHER ANTI-MALWARE COMPANY. They shouldn't have to say what is classified as malware because malware is...MALWARE. Nobody changes definitions, and if they do, THEN they tell you what they classify something as. Also, your argument about them "not warning you about it" is utter crap. You have the OPTION TO DECIDE if it alerts you or not. Tell me, did you even read the EULA for [I]yourself, or are you just basing your shit argument off of what this asshole is feeding you?

I'm not a Microsoft fanboy. I'm just SICK of this anti-Vista BULLSHIT propaganda on the internet from people who don't understand JACK SHIT about their argument.

[legionaire45]

I got a problem! It still has bsods... I don't like those!

its not a BSOD anymore.....its a red screen!:party:
http://joi.ito.com/RedScreen.jpg

ok...it almost was. It would have looked better anyways xD.

[I_Am_Error117]

Jacp please calm down (your scarying me) :(

if anyone has any brains they will not believe this.

Like me I know the truth

Edit:

LOL Red Screen of Death

[Champ]

So? Microsoft does have enough sense to let you disable Windows Defender and/or all of the other security components.

And it only deletes programs that it thinks pose a security risk, if if can't clean the file that it thinks is infected, it quarintines it, if it can't do that, it askes you if you want to delete it.

Have you even used Vista yet?
9mm just hates Microsoft. Whenever he sees an article degrading Microsoft, he will post about it and expect everyone to agree with him.


It never happens.

[Limited]

Woah relax there jcap :D

Im just showing my point of view that vista isnt as great as microsoft claim it to be, 5 years work for that?

If you dont want to read about my "anti microsoft" posts then you dont have to just keep scrolling down.

I thought this was a discussion forum..

Sad to say, but this place is turning more and more into GBX every day.

[jcap]

Im just showing my point of view that vista isnt as great as microsoft claim it to be, 5 years work for that?
You don't have anything to back it up. You probably haven't even used it. Your arguments are not valid.


If you dont want to read about my "anti microsoft" posts then you dont have to just keep scrolling down.
It's my duty to read through every post on this forum. If I wanted to, I could just delete any anti-Microsoft threads, but I'd rather point out the TRUTH to those who are uneducated. Then, if someone brings the same argument to them, they can defend themselves and feel educated.


I thought this was a discussion forum..
Are you not discussing this now?

[Limited]

You don't have anything to back it up. You haven't even used it. Your arguments are not valid.I dont see how using it makes any difference as to what I have posted in this thread. Using it won't change vista in any way. Sure Vista has some good sides, but is it worth it? Not for the price no.


It's my duty to read through every post on this forum. If I wanted to, I could just delete any anti-Microsoft threads, but I'd rather point out the TRUTH to those who are uneducated. Then, if someone brings the same argument to them, they can defend themselves and feel educated.Argument? this is a discussion like I just said. I'm not here to scream and bitch at some one who disagrees, I'm just saying I dont like vista, im not trying to make any one else here hate vista.


Are you not discussing this now?Sadly not, Im having to explain my posts to you instead of just letting them be read for reading shake.

Doesnt break any rules does it, so why should you delete this thread? Or is this a dictatorship forum?

[JDMFSeanP]

Lol [INACCURATE] as that you jcap? :D

oh and JDMFSeanP, some people cant even get that far because their hardware is incompatable with vista..


Ive only EVER run into one compatability issue, and that was from a smaller sized company.

XP had lots of those too, i couldn't run some games on XP

[Limited]

Ive only EVER run into one compatability issue, and that was from a smaller sized company.

XP had lots of those too, i couldn't run some games on XP

Well my friend at college had massive troubles trying to get vista to work on his machine, in the end he gave up.

lol he was like "haha im gonna get vista day it comes out" turns out he wishes he didnt.

[JDMFSeanP]

Hes an idiot then, its not Microsofts fault hes stupid.

[Limited]

Hes an idiot then, its not Microsofts fault hes stupid.An idiot because he couldnt get it to work? I dont think so.

He tried numerious things to fix it but the drivers just werent there that supported vista..

[jcap]

That doesn't make it Microsoft's fault. It's the company that makes the hardware which isn't supporting Windows Vista. Argument fails again.

[JDMFSeanP]

An idiot because he couldnt get it to work? I dont think so.

He tried numerious things to fix it but the drivers just werent there that supported vista..

DER THEN YOU CALL MICROSOFT.

I couldn't get RC1 to work at first, but all i really had to do was reinstall router software like they said and it worked fine, posting on tech forums helps also.

[Timo]

9mm, the reason Jcap is replying to this idiodic thread is because you interpreted the article wrong. It can't delete programs whole at anytime. . By default it will automatically delete/quarintine files that are stuffed. So, you can change it to prompt you everytime a security risk appears.

[Limited]

You guys need to think laterally.

I know it cant delete whole programs, however it could delete a vital file to a program.

Just like other anti spyware programs, just because it is displayed as a lancious file, doesnt mean it should be deleted.

Anyways ill backdown :D

I'll get vista at some stage just now right now after release.

XP did have its issues when first released so its all fine :D

I'm just pissed at the prices they expect us to pay =\

[Stealth]

Ok Limited, I'm going to tell you something that you really need to do, and it will save you a shit load of time trying to push your point acrossed here, and that is...
YOU NEED TO READ THE FUCKING MANELU IT IS A VERY USEFUL TOOL, you my think that it is just a book thing that comes with the CD/DVD to add weight to the case so it is harder for people to run off with it, but it is was not put into the same box as the CD/DVD for that, it is there so YOU CAN READ IT AND LEARN WHAT IT DOSE AND WHY, AND WHAT TO DO WITH IT!

[Zeph]

I'm just pissed at the prices they expect us to pay =\

Say you use Vista Ultimate for five years. That averages out to less than 7 dollars a month. You still think that's a rediculous price?


edit: MS can always liscense the use of their OS based on a monthly charge if you wish. What do you think the price would be then?

[Timo]

Ok Limited, I'm going to tell you something that you really need to do, and it will save you a shit load of time trying to push your point acrossed here, and that is...
YOU NEED TO READ THE FUCKING MANELU IT IS A VERY USEFUL TOOL, you my think that it is just a book thing that comes with the CD/DVD to add weight to the case so it is harder for people to run off with it, but it is was not put into the same box as the CD/DVD for that, it is there so YOU CAN READ IT AND LEARN WHAT IT DOSE AND WHY, AND WHAT TO DO WITH IT!
Uh, he said he hasn't purchased it yet. And if he got the OEM, it wouldn't come with a "Manelu".

[Limited]

Say you use Vista Ultimate for five years. That averages out to less than 7 dollars a month. You still think that's a rediculous price?Now you put it that way, no.
Also, the US price is different to the UK price, thats why I am pissed.

Just like cost of gas/petrol. UK pays 4 times as much =\ but lets not go into america - england issue :D

Also, Steath, the manual is helpless for vista. It doesnt really tell you how to fix it if it goes wrong, it just tells you how to install. I'm not a dumbass I can read what the screen says when installing. Any vista problems? "Ring up Microsoft help support" =\=\

[Atty]

this thread is pathetic, ban 9mm already.


Uh, he said he hasn't purchased it yet. And if he got the OEM, it wouldn't come with a "Manelu".Actually with XP OEM included a manual, I'm pretty sure the same applies for Vista. ;)

[Champ]

this thread is pathetic, ban 9mm already.
Actually with XP OEM included a manual, I'm pretty sure the same applies for Vista. ;)
He was making fun of the post he quoted...

And don't be so scared next time.

[Atty]

Oh, I didn't realize that. :)
I like the ninja tags. :\

[X3RO SHIF7]

um, you realise adaware and any other spyware removal program says the exact same thing , that removing the "spyware" can cause program to not fuction anymore or function improperly right? theres nothing special about this, expecially because you dont have to use the program, this thread fails

[legionaire45]

yeah, I wrote this program called "system32" and someone haxxed it into "system64" on vista, so you should all go ahead and delete it. It only works on the 64 bit version though because they manually added each bit into each other to make a super virus bit!

if that doesn't make any sense its because I haven't fucked around with the file hierarchy in vista yet xD

[Cortexian]

yeah, I wrote this program called "system32" and someone haxxed it into "system64" on vista, so you should all go ahead and delete it. It only works on the 64 bit version though because they manually added each bit into each other to make a super virus bit!

if that doesn't make any sense its because I haven't fucked around with the file hierarchy in vista yet xD
Its still System32.

Though I havn't tried installing or using Vista on any 64 bit systems yet.

[legionaire45]

oh good, I guess that means that they haven't made the virus worserer. To be safe you guys would delete system32 anyway. It doesn't do much anyway does it?

[jcap]

I dont see how using it makes any difference as to what I have posted in this thread. Using it won't change vista in any way. Sure Vista has some good sides, but is it worth it? Not for the price no.Because if you had actually spent the time to sit down and use it, you would have noticed that every single point has been nulled out. If there is no truth to the issue, then why would you post these lies...unless of course, you wanted to start this whole argument in the first place, but that would be trolling now, wouldn't it?


Argument? this is a discussion like I just said. I'm not here to scream and bitch at some one who disagrees, I'm just saying I dont like vista, im not trying to make any one else here hate vista.You still haven't yet stated what reason you have to not like Vista, especially now with the points in this article being proven false.


Sadly not, Im having to explain my posts to you instead of just letting them be read for reading shake.
...thus, discussing.


Doesnt break any rules does it, so why should you delete this thread? Or is this a dictatorship forum?Actually, this forum is a benevolent dictatorship, like pretty much every other forum out there.

[Limited]

Because if you had actually spent the time to sit down and use it, you would have noticed that every single point has been nulled out. If there is no truth to the issue, then why would you post these lies...unless of course, you wanted to start this whole argument in the first place, but that would be trolling now, wouldn't it?
No truth to the issue? There is truth to the issue. &quot;It's started&quot; noting the fact theres more to come. Im just showing you as to what I believe an issue is with vista.
You still haven't yet stated what reason you have to not like Vista, especially now with the points in this article being proven false. What happened to reading every post? I posted twice saying why I dont like vista.
thus, discussing. Let me just add what you said
you wanted to start this whole argument in the first place, but that would be trolling now, wouldn't it? To me, I dont class discussing my views arguments, I havent really screamed and bitched at people, sure I've said I disagreed with what they think but its just a matter of opinon, like I previously said I'm not here to make you all hate vista, you guys talking about it helps me get to know it even more. I like vista more since starting this thread :P Cant we just agree to disagree and call it that? Instead of you telling me I need a reason to not like vista. I have my reasons, you may not like them but still, its my reason.
Actually, this forum is a benevolent dictatorship, like pretty much every other forum out there. How the hell can you have an unbiased dictatorship?? I thought ghost made this place to be able to openly talk about halo 2 vista / vista. That is after all what he told me it was about when I asked him if I could join :) Cease this bickering now jcap? :) This wont end if we both dont give up. I'd rather talk about the real issues such as vista.

Prices
" According to Amazon the UK prices are the same as the US dollar prices - thus Vista Ultimate in the US is $375.99. In the UK its &#163;350.99. The Home Basic Upgrade is $99.99 and &#163;99.99."

Sure a US company made it but I dont see why UK (and other countries like australia) should pay more for the exact same thing (minor a few small things of course otherwise there would just be one universal version :))

[Chewy Gumball]

I'm not sure, but I think you are paying for shipping costs. Your point about it doesn't matter if you have not used it won't change it... thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You can not say its not worth it unless you try it. Period.

[jcap]

No truth to the issue? There is truth to the issue. &quot;It's started&quot; noting the fact theres more to come. Im just showing you as to what I believe an issue is with vista.There is no truth to the issue. There WAS NO BEGINNING. You thought there was, but it was nothing but bullshit from some paid fanboy to bash Vista in any way possible. No argument he had stood up, and was quickly disproved with literally only 2 seconds worth of research.


What happened to reading every post? I posted twice saying why I dont like vista.
And both times I corrected you and pointed out the truth.


To me, I dont class discussing my views arguments, I havent really screamed and bitched at people, sure I've said I disagreed with what they think but its just a matter of opinon, like I previously said I'm not here to make you all hate vista, you guys talking about it helps me get to know it even more. I like vista more since starting this thread :P Cant we just agree to disagree and call it that? Instead of you telling me I need a reason to not like vista. I have my reasons, you may not like them but still, its my reason.
OK.

Just remember, this thread is not about those other issues - it was specifically about the ones mentioned in the article. Thats where I was coming from where I said that there is no issue and you have no reason to dislike it. You can have personal issues on top of that, but I wasn't trying to get at those right now, and I don't want to.


How the hell can you have an unbiased dictatorship?? I thought ghost made this place to be able to openly talk about halo 2 vista / vista. That is after all what he told me it was about when I asked him if I could join Cease this bickering now jcap? This wont end if we both dont give up. I'd rather talk about the real issues such as vista.
You can have open discussion with a benevolent dictatorship. The key word is "benevolent" in there, and the best relation to this would be a classroom in school (if you have a decent teacher). Whatever they say goes, but they'll take advise from the class to build their lesson plans.

Also, the "real" issue this entire topic about has been settled, as I have said many times before. In fact, this thread is pretty much dead now. The only reason it is still alive is because you are finding a way to blame Microsoft for everything, when it is no one's fault (read: whoever is causing the problem) but your own.


Sure a US company made it but I dont see why UK (and other countries like australia) should pay more for the exact same thing (minor a few small things of course otherwise there would just be one universal version )Holy shit, why don't you just cry about it? What separates this from everything else out there? Just because it's an operating system doesn't make it an exception from all other products. Yes, it is absurd you're being charged almost twice as much as we are, but you've been through that several times before with all other products from all other manufacturers out there, and sometimes it's even MORE.

[InnerGoat]

...This thread is going places