Sigma wants you! (skinners/texture makers look inside)

[_TheArbiter_]

uhm well we desperatly need a skinner or someone who knows to draw well stuff in any image editing program

requiriments:

*experience
*show some of your work
*good rep



dont post unless it has to do with the topic

"talking without thinking is like shooting without aming"

[fatso784]

I don't have any of those things.

However, I'd love to be in Sigma. Its probably one of the only respectable map teams around. I can draw really well, so if you need that, then I'm your man. But besides that, I can't really skin. At least I've never tried.

[SgtBotley]

pictures of what people would be skinning?

There has to be something worth people spending their time on... cant expect people to assess whether they're up for the job or not without a taste for what is to come.

[_TheArbiter_]

a small taste:


http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/large/fc0e1d85687745a159fe8d670a2f1dc643076072.jpg (http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/thekillerdonut/ss_file-fc0e1d85687745a159fe8d670a2f1dc643076072.jpg)

[fatso784]

Do you mean modifying an existing bitmap or making a completely new one?

[_TheArbiter_]

btw fatso, im sorry but we allready have a concept artist....if we get to need another ill PM you :)

EDIT: make a new one

[SgtBotley]

Custom and authentic yeh?

i.e no stolen work off other people

[Masterz1337]

You're never going to be able to get a bent HUD to work right. Br looks liek it's heading in the right direction, but needs mroe work.

[_TheArbiter_]

SgtBotley: exactlly....NO ripped from h3 screenies, NO stolen work, etc....

another pic :)

http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/large/b3fab8006bca86417067fe92b03a3a0201786cda.jpg (http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/thekillerdonut/ss_file-b3fab8006bca86417067fe92b03a3a0201786cda.jpg)

[SnaFuBAR]

i believe that's wave's BR, is it not?

[_TheArbiter_]

Snaf: No, its donuts BR

[SgtBotley]

who is the 'donut' wizard you speak of...?

[_TheArbiter_]

uhm just our leader and master of hud icons and hud as well......

[Wizrai]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7549/battlerifleref1hj6.png

[_TheArbiter_]

for those whodont know.....thats our BR....just in case :P

[NuggetWarmer]

It's an OK model. A little bit inaccurate and boxy in some places, but it's OK.

[_TheArbiter_]

It's an OK model. A little bit inaccurate and boxy in some places, but it's OK.

about the accuracy....we never make our stuff as accurate as in halo3....................for example: the red scope

[ICEE]

Way to post ONLY donut's work there arbiter lol. Basically everything pictured is all from donut. The br's model, the hud, the magnum, basically everything. The only thing that isn't his is the BR animations, which are mine. We have a policy of not stealing anyones work, not even bungies, so basically everything in our maps is completely custom. We do need a texturer though.. poor geo is already pretty over worked.

[Geo]

I had started a skin for it a while back, but I'm busy with 3 bsps im juggling. Anyone please, show some work.

[Wizrai]

Way to post ONLY donut's work there arbiter lol. Basically everything pictured is all from donut. The br's model, the hud, the magnum, basically everything. The only thing that isn't his is the BR animations, which are mine. We have a policy of not stealing anyones work, not even bungies, so basically everything in our maps is completely custom. We do need a texturer though.. poor geo is already pretty over worked.

I tryed but I failed, I suck at the "drawing the model" part...

[_TheArbiter_]

uhm well IC its not my fault xD......u-know-that-that-we-know-of and other stuff isnt nice enough to show now xD......so i chosed donuts since his stuff is done and only needs what this thread asks for

[ICEE]

more like not complete enough

[Geo]

It still is something though. And it shows people what we are asking of them, and at what level of a team we are.

[SnaFuBAR]

model definately looks better in fp. back half of it isn't so hot.

[_TheArbiter_]

model definately looks better in fp. back half of it isn't so hot.

good thing halo isnt in 3p :v

[Monopoly]

The above statement is false ::vsmileabusehere:

[teh lag]

good thing halo isnt in 3p :v

Too bad models still get seen in 3p :v

E : fuck you mono, posting before me.

[_TheArbiter_]

well even tho...the back half of it looks similar to this: http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/3/3c/BR55HB_SR_Battle_Rifle.jpg

btw lag.. nice avatar xD

[Monopoly]

Yup the back half looks just like this


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[_TheArbiter_]

fixed :/

[SnaFuBAR]

good thing halo isnt in 3p :v
still see it during reload :v


well even tho...the back half of it looks similar to this: http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/3/3c/BR55HB_SR_Battle_Rifle.jpg
yeah but it's very obviously not accurate. it does look bad, honestly.

[_TheArbiter_]

about the accuracy....we never make our stuff as accurate as in halo3....................for example: the red scope

:rolleyes:

[SnaFuBAR]

don't be a smartass. if you're going to replicate a well known object, and your details are incorrect and poorly done, then yes, it looks bad. your model looks bad. schmuck.

[_TheArbiter_]

don't be a smartass. if you're going to replicate a well known object, and your details are incorrect and poorly done, then yes, it looks bad. your model looks bad. schmuck.


model is not mine anyway :P ....but thnx for crit, we will see what we can do

[ICEE]

*sigh* take it easy on Arbiter guys. English isn't his first language. Donut has since revised the model a bit I believe. I'd like to point out that we're not a halo 3 mod, before anyone makes that assumption.

[Con]

about the accuracy....we never make our stuff as accurate as in halo3....................for example: the red scope
I've heard that from enough people over the years to learn what it means. It never works, as Snaf has proven.

[Wizrai]

*sigh* take it easy on Arbiter guys. English isn't his first language. Donut has since revised the model a bit I believe. I'd like to point out that we're not a halo 3 mod, before anyone makes that assumption.

Arby speaks english well, he just types horribly and over uses smileys.

And Snafu, I know you like to own new guys, but let this one go please...

[SnaFuBAR]

i don't like "owning" new guys. i'm just opening their eyes to the reality of their positions. there's nothing to let go of. i'm simply right.

[Wizrai]

i don't like "owning" new guys. i'm just opening their eyes to the reality of their positions. there's nothing to let go of. i'm simply right.

Yea, but you sometimes go over the edge...anyways, let's not turn this into a flame wars. This thread is about recruiting a skinner, the Battle Rifle is just an example, you made a good critic about it but let's just leave it there.

[SnaFuBAR]

might also want to say if your texture artist will have to uv map everything as well.

[ICEE]

I believe our stuff is UV'd. I'm not sure though.

[Jay2645]

I can UVW unwrap, but I can't skin.

Actually, I never tried.

*Goes to get good tutorial on skinning to see if he can have a another job at Sigma*

[Chainsy]

Jay your going to have some competition, meet chains, sigma leet's concept artist. :eek: Geo is teaching me to skin and become a texturer because Im art orientated. Good luck beating me. oh, iron, xfire me about the shade, its really important. thanks.

[SnaFuBAR]

i'd like to see some art.

[Corndogman]

ive seen chains' concept art and its good. and people who are very art oriented like that usually excel at texturing/photoshop and even max sometimes.

[Chainsy]

Well fubar, since you asked so kindly, here is a beta concept of a red base geo is currently using in one of his future maps.
http://files.filefront.com/red+fortresszip/;9916390;/fileinfo.html
its a series of pictures, so i decided to make it easier on everyone by just posting a link for them.

[thehoodedsmack]

Those pictures are all the same, with 5 out of 6 being mild unneeded close-ups. Still, I like the design of it.

[Chainsy]

lol, geo likes to see details, so i just zoom in on some rather interesting parts.

[SnaFuBAR]

they're alright.

[Chainsy]

from you, I know "alright" is the most someone will ever get, so I take that with much honor. thank you. :rolleyes:

[Donut]

just for the record, im the donut that made that br model.
i found it funny that the first assumption was that is was WOL's br, then after it was stated that it was mine, the bashing began.
but my reason for posting is to say that its ok if you dont know how to unwrap. i can unwrap stuff and did unwrap the br

[NuggetWarmer]

Actually, the bashing began once the full render of the rifle was shown. The model needs work if you want it to look professional.

[Apoc4lypse]

just for the record, im the donut that made that br model.
i found it funny that the first assumption was that is was WOL's br, then after it was stated that it was mine, the bashing began.
but my reason for posting is to say that its ok if you dont know how to unwrap. i can unwrap stuff and did unwrap the br

Well to try and give you some CC for the battle rifle model, it is pretty good in my eyes (not basing this judgment on how accurate it is and also noting my less then par knowledge of weapons) the main things I personally would change is. Make the triangular indentations less harsh, more rounded slightly. Make the grip look less "bulgy" if you want to call it that, sort of looks inflated right now. Make the trigger and trigger guard less boxy (the handle too, its awkward looking), and also make the back end of the gun less harsh, its kind of boxy as well. Also the proportions when comparing the barrel to the gun itself seem to be off, being that the barrel is a bit too fat, and maybe a little too short.

At a first glance it looks like an ok model, you can tell what it is, but the big things I would change that will make it more acceptable to your avg joe is what I stated above I think.

I am in no way claiming I'm correct in any of the above statements, and there more so suggestions to make the model look more eye pleasing, the number of weapons I actually have ever modeled accounts to zero.. I have how ever drawn some... occasionally. *Realizes his need to practice this more*.

Hope that helps somewhat, I think it'll look nicer if you do what I said though, again its just my opinionated information.

[Chainsy]

practice with this. :)
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x20/cartsizzle/1932-auto-w-flash.jpg

[Wizrai]

Donut, should I post the unwrap?

[Bllasae]

a small taste:


http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/large/fc0e1d85687745a159fe8d670a2f1dc643076072.jpg (http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/thekillerdonut/ss_file-fc0e1d85687745a159fe8d670a2f1dc643076072.jpg)
I just LOVE the backwards numbers /sarcasm.

[SnaFuBAR]

from you, I know "alright" is the most someone will ever get, so I take that with much honor. thank you. :rolleyes:
You shouldn't be honored, but you should know your place. I've attended what's been called the world's best school for industrial design, so obviously I've got talents reaching far beyond your own. Next time you try to act like a sarcastic prick, you better know who you're talking to.

[SnaFuBAR]

i found it funny that the first assumption was that is was WOL's br, then after it was stated that it was mine, the bashing began.
there was no "bashing" going on. Criticism came after a full render was shown, and it was evident how poorly it represented the BR. Don't get jealous and actually look at what was said.

[Sel]

You shouldn't be honored, but you should know your place. I've attended what's been called the world's best school for industrial design, so obviously I've got talents reaching far beyond your own. Next time you try to act like a sarcastic prick, you better know who you're talking to.

The funny thing is hes more or less right :P

But yeah, snaf here is one of the best modellers here, so hes pretty much entitled to say whatever he wants, and chances are hes right. So just take his advice

And suck his dick often

[SgtBotley]

You shouldn't be honored, but you should know your place. I've attended what's been called the world's best school for industrial design, so obviously I've got talents reaching far beyond your own. Next time you try to act like a sarcastic prick, you better know who you're talking to.


Ahaaa, that shit is priceless

+ rep

[Wizrai]

You shouldn't be honored, but you should know your place. I've attended what's been called the world's best school for industrial design, so obviously I've got talents reaching far beyond your own. Next time you try to act like a sarcastic prick, you better know who you're talking to.

However, you have to keep in mind that modders in CE and some other games are just in training. A good Modeler/Skinner/etc is not usually found around here since they alredy achieved the level they needed to keep going on... Anyways, as I said before, stop with this nonsense and let interested people post about the job.

[ICEE]

I just LOVE the backwards numbers /sarcasm.


See, thats because the model shown isn't UV'd. I got the gun in game and sent it to donut before the UV's were finished, and that is what you see. This problem has been fixed by now, I believe. We probably should have waited for donut to wake up send us a new picture before posting. :rolleyes: Talking to you arbiter

[fatso784]

You shouldn't be honored, but you should know your place. I've attended what's been called the world's best school for industrial design, so obviously I've got talents reaching far beyond your own. Next time you try to act like a sarcastic prick, you better know who you're talking to.

For once, I actually agree with you, Fubar. Chains, you can't expect to randomly show up out of nowhere, talk about yourself like you're the shit, and expect people to like you. It's just not the way society works. You can't talk shit to someone who doesn't know you, its like walkin up to a stranger and smackin him in the face.

[Chainsy]

You shouldn't be honored, but you should know your place. I've attended what's been called the world's best school for industrial design, so obviously I've got talents reaching far beyond your own. Next time you try to act like a sarcastic prick, you better know who you're talking to.

Hmmm..Ive attended no schools on my art yet its won 1st in Texas..odd..my pure skill alone seems to be better than your years of hard work..how ironic.
Anyways fubar, I have a sarcastic sense of humor and wasnt trying to insult you. I respect your opinion and by your rep Ill gladly listen to whatever advice you have for me. Selentic I havn't seen you on xfire in a while :( get on!

[thehoodedsmack]

Hmmm..Ive attended no schools on my art yet its won 1st in Texas..odd..my pure skill alone seems to be better than your years of hard work..how ironic.

So you're the best artist in Texas? I wasn't aware they had a competition for that. Unless of course you mean you've placed first in a generalized event, obviously not encompassing the entire population of artists in the state. You meant that, right? Because that's hardly anything to brag about, especially when you consider it equal to years of study and discipline at a technical institute. But please, go ahead and put that on your resume:

"Well sir, you don't seem to have any formal education..."
"Hurr. I won a ribbon!"

Pardon my overinflation on the severity of your post, but it was a very ignorant thing to say.

/derail

[Chainsy]

No, the TCEA holds a competition for all of texas held in san antonio for best media art in the state. TCEA means Texas Computer Education Association, just in case your out of state.

[SnaFuBAR]

Hmmm..Ive attended no schools on my art yet its won 1st in Texas..odd..my pure skill alone seems to be better than your years of hard work..how ironic.
Anyways fubar, I have a sarcastic sense of humor and wasnt trying to insult you. I respect your opinion and by your rep Ill gladly listen to whatever advice you have for me. Selentic I havn't seen you on xfire in a while :( get on!

funny, i had two industry jobs as concept lead design. seems to have paid off more than your work.

i've been taught by people like Neville Page and Scott Robertson, and many others. that is the lineage i follow.

i think being chosen to attend with the world's best outweighs best of texas.

[thehoodedsmack]

No, the TCEA holds a competition for all of texas held in san antonio for best media art in the state. TCEA means Texas Computer Education Association, just in case your out of state.

There you go. Best Media Art. Photoshop and Fractals and crap. Your previous description sounds like you consider yourself Texas' resident Monet. And even with a title such as this, it is leagues away from the techniques and skills learned from institutions such as Snaf's. If you want to continue talking about it, use the PMs, otherwise, I'd suggest getting back to your topic.

[Chainsy]

Mmmm...I can respect your experience, if its true, I believe you have knowledge, but you went to school on concepting, modeling and all those fancy schools? Alot to fit in..anyways if its paid off so well, why are you here in a non-profit game giving criticism? It truly irks me to see someone as highly educated as yourself throwing it all away on a simple game instead of making your own. can i also see some of your work? It could help me with my own.

[SnaFuBAR]

Mmmm...I can respect your experience, if its true, I believe you have knowledge, but you went to school on concepting, modeling and all those fancy schools? Alot to fit in..anyways if its paid off so well, why are you here in a non-profit game giving criticism? It truly irks me to see someone as highly educated as yourself throwing it all away on a simple game instead of making your own. can i also see some of your work? It could help me with my own.

i worked on two games. if i could tell you the titles i work on, i would, but the non-disclosures prohibit that.

i hardly consider helping people learn how to further their skills a waste of my time. i grew up with this community, kinda hard to leave it behind. i'd show you a simple 20 minute concept/plot/sketch/hand render, but i'd do terrible at explaining the technique involved. i've tried explaining the concept process and such to a few people over the web, but, i'm a terrible instructor.

i could care less if you believe me. i don't need to prove myself to you, honestly. i know my life experiences, and i know they're just taking me further.

[Masterz1337]

Hey guys? Guess what?

IT'S A FUCKING GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snaf, go have yourself a drink, Sigma members, go improve your models.

I swear to fucking god, the line between senior member and newbie is getting thinner every day.

[SgtBotley]

Hey Snaf, if you've got all that jazz under your belt why dont you progress beyond this forum..., not that i know what you'd want to do :P

but sounds like you've got an impressive resume... follow that shit up and work on some big titles, then i can say.." ha i had an argument ages ago with that dude on a forum, look at him now lead 3D artist for Halo 4 (title TBA)"

anyone wanna start interrogating me about the "Halo 4" comment, you've seen the Halo 3 ending, you're telling me theres not gonna be another game in the current Halo universe with different name... ( if you're that bothered goto Off topic section)

but yeh... why not post a public UVWwrap and see what you get back... easy money in a certain respect.

[Masterz1337]

Well to try and give you some CC for the battle rifle model, it is pretty good in my eyes (not basing this judgment on how accurate it is and also noting my less then par knowledge of weapons) the main things I personally would change is. Make the triangular indentations less harsh, more rounded slightly. Make the grip look less "bulgy" if you want to call it that, sort of looks inflated right now. Make the trigger and trigger guard less boxy (the handle too, its awkward looking), and also make the back end of the gun less harsh, its kind of boxy as well. Also the proportions when comparing the barrel to the gun itself seem to be off, being that the barrel is a bit too fat, and maybe a little too short.

At a first glance it looks like an ok model, you can tell what it is, but the big things I would change that will make it more acceptable to your avg joe is what I stated above I think.

I am in no way claiming I'm correct in any of the above statements, and there more so suggestions to make the model look more eye pleasing, the number of weapons I actually have ever modeled accounts to zero.. I have how ever drawn some... occasionally. *Realizes his need to practice this more*.

Hope that helps somewhat, I think it'll look nicer if you do what I said though, again its just my opinionated information.


Now this is how you post people.

[Sel]

Sigma members, go improve your models.

I swear to fucking god, the line between senior member and newbie is getting thinner every day.


Ouch.

[Wizrai]

This is not working, please, before we start arguing over a game, close this thread.

[_TheArbiter_]

locked to prevent flame wars......if you meet the requiriments and you wanna join, PM me