A question for those outside of the U.S.

[ExAm]

This question is ONLY for people who don't live in the US:

Were you in the US, who would you vote for? Give a reason for your choice, I'd like to know what you guys think.

[CN3089]

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seriouspost because the rest of them are all either horrible people (clinton, nader) or have horrible policies (mccain)

[Bodzilla]

Obama.

that man has some awesome policys and some even greater Charisma.
I mean jesus Christ....

Obama for sure
"we cant keep playing the same game with the same washington players and expect a different result"
^

[Timo]

By reading an article here and there on the elections during Economics it looks like Obama would have my vote.

[Boba]

Obama.

[Con]

I like Obama's policies, and he seems much more personal in his speaches. Plus he flipped off hilary, and also hes black. Ironically enough, I'm eating watermelon right now :awesome:

[StankBacon]

Ironically enough, I'm eating watermelon right now :awesome:

lucky :(

[n00b1n8R]

Obama based on what little info I've come across.
Ofcourse, this is the country that elected bush twice so the odds of a good president getting in are low as it is. :p

[LlamaMaster]

Disregard my vote, I read "outside" as "inside"...

But yah, Obama.

[NuggetWarmer]

Not in a different country, but you forgot Ron Paul. ):<

[Agamemnon]

Ron Paul is out (not officially mind you, but he is never going to pull back).

[CN3089]

Not in a different country, but you forgot Ron Paul. ):<

Because he's an insane racist lolbertarian who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell? vhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/confused.gifv


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/gf-welp.gif GOLD STANDARD http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/gf-welp.gif

[NuggetWarmer]

How is he racist? And since when is being a libertarian a bad thing? He's a good man.

[Agamemnon]

Ron Paul is out (not officially mind you, but he is never going to pull back).
.

[CN3089]

fuck, somebody ruined the obama sweep


NADER http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-argh.gif

[rossmum]

Obama. Seems like the only one who doesn't have shitty policies they want to enforce, and he seems the most level-headed.

[CN3089]

also;

How is he racist?
Although "we are told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers." (http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol16/issue9/pols.paul.side.html) http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-bravo.gif

And since when is being a libertarian a bad thing?
You live a sheltered life, friend. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-laugh.gif

[StankBacon]

regardless how good he sounds, the simple fact is hes black, and he will never be elected..

and anyone who actually thinks he or hillary even have a remote chance, are setting themselves up to be disappointed.

[CN3089]

regardless how good he sounds, the simple fact is hes black, and he will never be elected..

and anyone who actually thinks he or hillary even have a remote chance, are setting themselves up to be disappointed. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-downswords.gif

Yes, I mean it's not like he's leading McCain in polls or anything http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-jerkbag.gif


This isn't the 50s.

[NuggetWarmer]

I was the one that chose Nader, just because I can. Lulz

If I could vote, I wouldn't vote for any of them. Obama just seems as if he's hiding something. He's good at speeches, so he's pretty good at covering lies, and he's had some dealings with the wrong side of the government. IE: All of it.

I say we go without a president for a year and see how we do. :|

[StankBacon]

Yes, I mean it's not like he's leading McCain in polls or anything http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-jerkbag.gif


This isn't the 50s.

it will never happen.

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wut. (http://www.presidentelectionpolls.com/2008/presidential-matchups/barack-obama-vs-john-mccain.html)

[CN3089]

it will never happen.

Men on the moon? That's absurd! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-downs.gif

[Agamemnon]

it will never happen.
Sure thing there self-defeatist. THE POLLS ARE A LIE. :rolleyes:

[StankBacon]

Men on the moon? That's absurd! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-downs.gif

ok fine, ill rephrase.

it wont happen for a very long time.

[Agamemnon]

I was the one that chose Nader, just because I can. Lulz

If I could vote, I wouldn't vote for any of them. Obama just seems as if he's hiding something. He's good at speeches, so he's pretty good at covering lies, and he's had some dealings with the wrong side of the government. IE: All of it.

I say we go without a president for a year and see how we do. :|
Great citing of sources there. You're an ACE in politics! Gold star for youuuu! :downs:


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wut. (http://www.presidentelectionpolls.com/2008/presidential-matchups/barack-obama-vs-john-mccain.html)
Primary elections now equal final outcome in presidential elections in America. http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-colbert.gif

Also, love how that site cites its sources with tons of ads.

Also also; hey guys, Green Revolution. Never going to happen. Cuz, you know, I said so.

[CN3089]

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wut. (http://www.presidentelectionpolls.com/2008/presidential-matchups/barack-obama-vs-john-mccain.html)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080430_NBC-WSJ_Released.pdf

my polls are better than your polls http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-colbert.gif

[nooBBooze]

I'd say i'd vote for Obama altough i dont believe that he is able, willing and ready to make fundamental changes especially when it comes to foreign policy. i think he will be just a nicer face that tries to buttrape the world.
:/

if he DID stand a chance, i would have preffered ron paul even if theres word he would introduce creative desing in schools wich is of course absurd bullshit but since i am not american i could have dealt with it.

[поистине эпичес]

also;

Although "we are told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers." (http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol16/issue9/pols.paul.side.html) http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-bravo.gif

You live a sheltered life, friend. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-laugh.gif
So reading hard facts is a bad thing now?

I know he's putting a spin on it, but minorities (at least in America) do have very high crime rates compared to white people.

[Agamemnon]

So reading hard facts is a bad thing now?

I know he's putting a spin on it, but minorities (at least in America) do have very high crime rates compared to white people.
Oh, met all 300 million Americans to make that assessment, huh? :downs:

[thehoodedsmack]

You don't have to talk to everyone, just read the reports the police put out. Statistics ftw. Although strangename-possible-Ross-alt could just be pulling numbers out of thin air... Source please?

[Agamemnon]

Statistics ftl. They mean nothing if they haven't made a full assessment of the entire population (even the non-registered ones as well). Are we to assume that a rural area in Wisconsin with a predominantly white community is going to have a high arrest rate for black people?

Sociology is the crutch you're looking for here.

[thehoodedsmack]

Of course we wouldn't assume that the ratio is the same for every area of the country, but what I believe he's getting at is that on average, as a whole, blacks, hispanics, your sterotypical "thug" races, have a higher arrest rate than caucasians.

Oh, I almost forgot this is an election thread. I guess I'd vote for Obama, though I'd rather have a more Liberal McCain, but I doubt that'll happen.

Edit: Not to say all blacks and hispanics are thugs, but... uh... (God's balls, it's hard to word anything on this topic correctly without sounding like an idiot, a prick, or a racist) You know what I mean, sterotypes and junk.

[Agamemnon]

Of course we wouldn't assume that the ratio is the same for every area of the country, but what I believe he's getting at is that on average, as a whole, blacks, hispanics, your sterotypical "thug" races, have a higher arrest rate than caucasians.

Oh, I almost forgot this is an election thread. I guess I'd vote for Obama, though I'd rather have a more Liberal McCain, but I doubt that'll happen.

Edit: Not to say all blacks and hispanics are thugs, but... uh... (God's balls, it's hard to word anything on this topic correctly without sounding like an idiot, a prick, or a racist) You know what I mean, sterotypes and junk.
No, I don't know what you mean. (http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/tost_6.html)

tl;dr

46.3% of prisoners were black, 35.8% were white, 16.1% were Hispanic, 0.8% were Native American, and 1.0% were Asian in the year 2003. Roughly 12.2% of the American population is black, while 13.7% of the American population is Hispanic. 68% of the American population is White ([1] (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/)). So, no, I don't see how the "stereotypical thug races" are liable to be on the receiving end of slander from Ron Paul, especially when we take into consideration the number of crimes that might haven't been prosecuted or charges that may have been dropped or crimes that may have never been reported.

e: I think we've all been watching too much tv or we've all had a bad experience that has led us to hasty generalizations. It's understandable for a woman walking home in the middle of the night crosses the street if three black teenagers walk towards her, but it's a completely different situation if a cop pulls over a black man driving a beamer because he suspected the car may be stolen without a viable follow up.

[thehoodedsmack]

Well there you have it, problem solved. Strange-name was wrong, and I've learned that what people have been telling me for years is incorrect.

[Agamemnon]

I suggest when (or if) [and no I don't mean that negatively] you get to college you take a sociology course. It's a fun, learning experience. You get to open your horizon about a lot of things people take for granted.

[thehoodedsmack]

I'm actually starting next year, majoring in social science, so I'm sure I'll run into something like that.

[поистине эпичес]

You don't have to talk to everyone, just read the reports the police put out. Statistics ftw. Although strangename-possible-Ross-alt could just be pulling numbers out of thin air... Source please?
Okay.

First, one must know that there is a distinct correlation between poverty and crime. (http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/aboutus/media/WashTimesPovertyAndCrimePrevDec22.html)


Next, you must know that 24.7% of all African-Americans in the United States live in poverty, compared to 8.6% white people. (http://www.grist.org/news/counter/2006/02/13/poverty/)

I'm not saying that correlation equals causation, but you can hardly call this a coincidence.

Also, over 50% of all crime offenders in the United States are black. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Characteristics_of_offe nders)

[thehoodedsmack]

I think I'll take Aggy's direct numbers rather than guess-work dependant on trends.

[поистине эпичес]

I think I'll take Aggy's direct numbers rather than guess-work dependant on trends.
Trends are indicative of the population over a period of time. Direct numbers are nor indicative of long-term facts and may be flukes, misinformation, etc.

[thehoodedsmack]

Trends in general, perhaps, but in this case, it's better to rely on hard numbers. Different generations will be raised with different values, and under different circumstances, so relying on trends for the percentages in prisons isn't the best idea.

[TeeKup]

How about we stop talking about black people and focus on the topic at hand, shall we?

[Agamemnon]

Okay.

First, one must know that there is a distinct correlation between poverty and crime. (http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/aboutus/media/WashTimesPovertyAndCrimePrevDec22.html)
This article is nearly ten years old.


Next, you must know that 24.7% of all African-Americans in the United States live in poverty, compared to 8.6% white people. (http://www.grist.org/news/counter/2006/02/13/poverty/)
http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p60-229.pdf

"The estimates in this report (which may be shown in text, figures, and tables) are based on responses from a sample of the population and may differ from actual values because of sampling variability or other factors."

Pg 1, Introduction, "Source of Estimates and Statistical Accuracy"

We are then referred to "http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/p60_229sa.pdf" for the accuracy of estimates:

"Approximately 72,700 households were selected for sample from the mixed sampling frame in March. Based on eligibility criteria, 11 percent of these households were sent directly to Computer-Assisted Telephone Interviewing (CATI). The remaining units were assigned to interviewers for Computer-Assisted Personal Interviewing (CAPI).3 Of all housing units in sample, about 60,100 were determined to be eligible for interview. Interviewers obtained interviews at about 54,400 of these units. Noninterviews occur when the occupants are not found at home after repeated calls or are unavailable for some other reason."

Pg 1, Sources of Data


I'm not saying that correlation equals causation, but you can hardly call this a coincidence.

Also, over 50% of all crime offenders in the United States are black. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Characteristics_of_offe nders)
Wikipedia's source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Uh, the source states that 52.2% of HOMICIDES (this is only one type of crime) are prosecuted and found guilty by blacks. You forgot to mention that 45.8% of HOMICIDES are performed by whites. :haw:

Again, another reason why Wikipedia is a horrible source of information. The article writers can't even properly interpret the source.

I still don't see how statistical data makes it "okay" to generalize.

[Mr Buckshot]

Barack Obama. He'll inspire the blacks to stand up against racism rather than be pushed around and in some cases turn to violent crime. The reason why black Americans commit the most violent crimes is that they are poorer than whites due to racial tensions.

Of course, I hope Obama inspires black people to not dress like thugs too. I know many good black Canadian people who dress in socially acceptable manners, not in torn jeans and vulgar shirts and shit.

Most of all, Obama promises to pull American troops out of Iraq. I did live in California for a while, and back then I wasn't pleased that my taxes were going to pay for a pointless war. The way I see it, the U.S. government just wanted to exercise power and bully those poor Iraqis. If the Iraqis really had WMDs, they would've dismantled them the moment the Americans ordered it, or at least negotiated, because they would have the common sense to know that they couldn't withstand an American onslaught. And there were the stupid racist attitudes against Arabs.

Go Obama. I hope you succeed in preventing more pointless deaths in Iraq. Yes, pulling out American forces will totally expose the civilians to the insurgents and Iraq might destroy itself from the inside, but America will have a gargantuan weight off its shoulders.

[Limited]

Jesus, I thought America was over this "omg black people are criminals", why dont you just both stfu and relise the colour of your skin doesnt determind if your a criminal or not.

Here in UK, i have no idea what percentage of people in jail are black, to be perfectly honest I dont give a flying fuck, all I know is there is too many fucking criminals.

Anyways, back on topic, I'm not really sure of all these policies people are offering, didnt some one offer like lower taxes or some thing? I heard that clinton stole obama's speech or some thing on the lines of that.

In my eyes, never trust the people who are up for election, time after time people have said they will do one thing and never produce.

Didnt hilary help bill when he was president? (Not officially I mean)

[Bodzilla]

Barack Obama. He'll inspire the blacks to stand up against racism rather than be pushed around and in some cases turn to violent crime. The reason why black Americans commit the most violent crimes is that they are poorer than whites due to racial tensions.

Of course, I hope Obama inspires black people to not dress like thugs too. I know many good black Canadian people who dress in socially acceptable manners, not in torn jeans and vulgar shirts and shit.

Most of all, Obama promises to pull American troops out of Iraq. I did live in California for a while, and back then I wasn't pleased that my taxes were going to pay for a pointless war. The way I see it, the U.S. government just wanted to exercise power and bully those poor Iraqis. If the Iraqis really had WMDs, they would've dismantled them the moment the Americans ordered it, or at least negotiated, because they would have the common sense to know that they couldn't withstand an American onslaught. And there were the stupid racist attitudes against Arabs.

Go Obama. I hope you succeed in preventing more pointless deaths in Iraq. Yes, pulling out American forces will totally expose the civilians to the insurgents and Iraq might destroy itself from the inside, but America will have a gargantuan weight off its shoulders.
http://codebloo.net/stuff/picard-headesk.jpg

[поистине эпичес]

I still don't see how statistical data makes it "okay" to generalize.
And I still don't see how a lack of knowledge at all makes it okay to think you're right. Let's look at some numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_demographics_of_the_United_States#White_Ame ricans

Note how Wikipedia cites numerous sources, most of them being government sources. Don't shoot this down because it's Wikipedia. Anyway, let's look at hard numbers:

66% of Americans are white.

12.4% of Americans are black.

There are over five times as many white people in America as there are black people, and yet black people still commit more homicides, and I'm willing to bet money that it's most other crimes as well. But for now, let's just stick with homicides, since we have real hard data that proves that.

Under completely objective conditions, white people would commit more murders than black people. Yet black people commit more homicides. Therefore, we can deduce that more black people commit homicides than black people. And using the rule of extension, we can also assume that black people commit more crimes in general than white people.

[Agamemnon]

And I still don't see how a lack of knowledge at all makes it okay to think you're right. Let's look at some numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_demographics_of_the_United_States#White_Ame ricans

Note how Wikipedia cites numerous sources, most of them being government sources. Don't shoot this down because it's Wikipedia. Anyway, let's look at hard numbers:

66% of Americans are white.

12.4% of Americans are black.

There are over five times as many white people in America as there are black people, and yet black people still commit more homicides, and I'm willing to bet money that it's most other crimes as well. But for now, let's just stick with homicides, since we have real hard data that proves that.

Under completely objective conditions, white people would commit more murders than black people. Yet black people commit more homicides. Therefore, we can deduce that more black people commit homicides than black people. And using the rule of extension, we can also assume that black people commit more crimes in general than white people.
No, that is called a hasty generalization. It's a logical fallacy. There are also other things we aren't taking into consideration here, such as the criminals who aren't prosecuted or the criminals who aren't charged with a crime. Nowhere does it say that 50% of all blacks in America commit crimes, yet you are just trying to twist the data as such. I see a 6.4% difference between whites and blacks that commit homicide, one type of crime. There is no "clear majority" in this case and there is no "rule of thumb" to go by. You cannot simply generalize something as drastic and serious as saying a certain type of people commit more crimes than others simply because you've seen only one table of data recorded in one year, especially when you aren't considering the other variables of the situation.

I also don't see how white people would commit crimes "under completely objective reasons" more than black people. This is semantics, which is another can of worms--one that isn't recorded some where.

[Monopoly]

Barack Obama. He'll inspire the blacks to stand up against racism rather than be pushed around and in some cases turn to violent crime. The reason why black Americans commit the most violent crimes is that they are poorer than whites due to racial tensions.

Of course, I hope Obama inspires black people to not dress like thugs too. I know many good black Canadian people who dress in socially acceptable manners, not in torn jeans and vulgar shirts and shit.

Most of all, Obama promises to pull American troops out of Iraq. I did live in California for a while, and back then I wasn't pleased that my taxes were going to pay for a pointless war. The way I see it, the U.S. government just wanted to exercise power and bully those poor Iraqis. If the Iraqis really had WMDs, they would've dismantled them the moment the Americans ordered it, or at least negotiated, because they would have the common sense to know that they couldn't withstand an American onslaught. And there were the stupid racist attitudes against Arabs.

Go Obama. I hope you succeed in preventing more pointless deaths in Iraq. Yes, pulling out American forces will totally expose the civilians to the insurgents and Iraq might destroy itself from the inside, but America will have a gargantuan weight off its shoulders.


http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-downsbravo.gif

[rossmum]

by the way guys that guy's not my alt, no idea who he is

[nooBBooze]

Barack Obama. He'll inspire the blacks to stand up against racism rather than be pushed around and in some cases turn to violent crime. The reason why black Americans commit the most violent crimes is that they are poorer than whites due to racial tensions.

Of course, I hope Obama inspires black people to not dress like thugs too. I know many good black Canadian people who dress in socially acceptable manners, not in torn jeans and vulgar shirts and shit.

Most of all, Obama promises to pull American troops out of Iraq. I did live in California for a while, and back then I wasn't pleased that my taxes were going to pay for a pointless war. The way I see it, the U.S. government just wanted to exercise power and bully those poor Iraqis. If the Iraqis really had WMDs, they would've dismantled them the moment the Americans ordered it, or at least negotiated, because they would have the common sense to know that they couldn't withstand an American onslaught. And there were the stupid racist attitudes against Arabs.

Go Obama. I hope you succeed in preventing more pointless deaths in Iraq. Yes, pulling out American forces will totally expose the civilians to the insurgents and Iraq might destroy itself from the inside, but America will have a gargantuan weight off its shoulders.
im not trying to :bandwagon: here but..ugh.

[Patrickssj6]

People outside the US voting for Cain should all be shot.

I hate his patriotic crap. Even though Germany has a female chancellor and she is pretty good I still vote for Obama.

[Kornman00]

I hate Obama, Cunton, and McBush all equally and hope they all burn in hell.

[CN3089]

I hate Obama, Cunton http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-downsrim.gif, and McBush all equally and hope they all burn in hell. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-downswords.gif

yo dudes watch out korman00 is edgy as fuck

[поистине эпичес]

No, that is called a hasty generalization.
Last I checked, it's called deductive reasoning. Try it some time.

[Kornman00]

yo dudes watch out korman00 is edgy as fuck
I don't live in the US, mr. numbers :downs:

[Agamemnon]

Last I checked, it's called deductive reasoning. Try it some time.
Check again (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/hastygeneralisation.html).

[nooBBooze]

I hate Obama, Cunton, and McBush all equally and hope they all burn in hell.
thank you, sir.
srsly.

[поистине эпичес]

Check again (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/hastygeneralisation.html).
That website is fail. Also, since I used numbers that speak nationwide, and not "oh a black person in my city killed someone last year therefore BLACKS KILL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME," I wasn't generalizing. Please actually read my post next time.

Deductive reasoning (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-deductive-reasoning.htm) argues from a general to a particular. Example:

A. Black people accounted for 52% of all homicides in the United States.
B. White people accounted for 45.8%.
C. There are over five times as many white people in America as black people. Using simple logic, one could expect the crime rate for white people to be proportionally higher, right?
Wrong.
D. There are far less black people in the United States than white people, and yet, as a whole, they commit more homicides. Therefore, we can deduce that black people commit far more homicides (if not more crimes, if we use the rule of association) than white people.

L2statistics and reason.

[Agamemnon]

That website is fail.
I stopped reading here. Come back to me when you take a course in logic in college.

[поистине эпичес]

I stopped reading here. Come back to me when you take a course in logic in college.
The fact that you stopped reading there only proves how biased and dogmatic you are. Get out until you learn to argue like a real person and not some kind of demi-god who is inherently better than all he surveys.

[Agamemnon]

:words:
Stop making alts, Ross.

[nooBBooze]

Oh, hi, don't mind me btw.
I'll stay clear of this drama.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/df/Retarded.jpg
Remember kids: Spoiler tags mean -rep immunity D:

[StankBacon]

Stop making alts, Ross.


definitely not ross, good job failing tho.

[Agamemnon]

http://lineout.thestranger.com/files/2007/11/crybaby.jpg
Don't you have something better to do, like further make me popular? I want my own wiki page, btw. Go make it.

[StankBacon]

troll more.

[Agamemnon]

Be hypocritical more.

[LinkandKvel]

Jesus, I thought America was over this "omg black people are criminals", why dont you just both stfu and relise the colour of your skin doesnt determind if your a criminal or not.
QFT. I mean does it really matter. I live in America and thought the same thing.

52% is black right? If theres 12.2% of blacks in the U.S. then that means 6.(odd number)% are commiting homicide out of the black race.

If theres is 45.8% White people that makeup all homicide cases and 66% make up the U.S. thats about around 31% of white people are commiting homicide out of the white race. Since there is a greater percentage of white people in the U.S. that means technically MORE white people has commited homicide than black people due to the proportions of the U.S. population between black and white. Now let's put this to rest.

[TeeKup]

Once again, why is everyone talking about black people. This is about 2 members of the United States Senate wanting to become president.

[CN3089]

QFT. I mean does it really matter. I live in America and thought the same thing.

52% is black right? If theres 12.2% of blacks in the U.S. then that means 6.(odd number)% are commiting homicide out of the black race.

If theres is 45.8% White people that makeup all homicide cases and 66% make up the U.S. thats about around 31% of white people are commiting homicide out of the white race. Since there is a greater percentage of white people in the U.S. that means technically MORE white people has commited homicide than black people due to the proportions of the U.S. population between black and white. Now let's put this to rest. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-pseudo.gif

haha what

look how stupid you are

[rossmum]

Stop making alts, Ross.
what

I agree with you, why the fuck would I make an alt and then argue

Besides, I don't just label references as 'fail' without any justification, I would've thought you'd be able to recognise my argumentative style by now and distinguish it easily from anyone else's

[LinkandKvel]

haha what

look how stupid you are

Obviously you must have gotten confused because i kinda did myself. Of course I didn't word it correctly but due to the number of white people in the U.S. almost half of them are in homicide cases. The count of the white population in homicide cases is greater than the actual count of black people in homicide case...but correct in proportion to race, black is greater in crime is what I meant. Better?

[CN3089]

Obviously you must have gotten confused because i kinda did myself. Of course I didn't word it correctly but due to the number of white people in the U.S. almost half of them are in homicide cases. The count of the white population in homicide cases is greater than the actual count of black people in homicide case...but correct in proportion to race, black is greater in crime is what I meant. Better?

did you miss the part where according to the statistics you used, 52% of homicides were committed by blacks and 46% were committed by whites


because I think you missed that part



and you misplaced your common sense somewhere too since apparently you think it's possible that half the population have committed homicide

[Pooky]

what

I agree with you, why the fuck would I make an alt and then argue

Besides, I don't just label references as 'fail' without any justification, I would've thought you'd be able to recognise my argumentative style by now and distinguish it easily from anyone else's

What huge longposts with hundreds of quotes?

[Bodzilla]

Your Still wrong.

Half of Homicides are from black. Over ALL.
If 100 people got killed, over 50 where from the blacks.

[rossmum]

Obviously you must have gotten confused because i kinda did myself. Of course I didn't word it correctly but due to the number of white people in the U.S. almost half of them are in homicide cases. The count of the white population in homicide cases is greater than the actual count of black people in homicide case...but correct in proportion to race, black is greater in crime is what I meant. Better?
Just stop posting.

Please.

[CN3089]

Your Still wrong.

His still wrong, indeed. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-eng99.gif

[Limited]

While we are talking about race, I want to clear something up.

Do like, mexican people count as black? Like I know theres different ethnic groups, I'm British White, but with these states like White VS Black %. Also, people living in india, are they classed as black or what?

Yes I dont know enough about different races I know I know. To me I dont feel I should have to know, I never notice peoples race or judge them by it.

[Terry]

Obama for the reasons already stated. I would find it interesting to see a black man as an American president. Not to say I am biased though. He seems to have some good ideals and is capable of using a certain level of reasoning.
I also dislike Mccain because he seems to be too similar to Bush in many ways, and I don't like Hilary because she seems like a power-hungry bitch.

Though, these impressions are also just interpreted from the little CNN I bother to watch, so I may be misinformed here or there.


EDIT: Also, I didn't read most of this topic, but I want to know what Blacks, whites and homocide have anything to do with each other? Does a certain about of Melanin in your skin actually control whether or not you tap into those murderous tendencies? Let's just drop the subject, since it doesn't make any damn sense and will only cause more argument.

[TeeKup]

Also, I didn't read most of this topic, but I want to know what Blacks, whites and homocide have anything to do with each other? Does a certain about of Melanin in your skin actually control whether or not you tap into those murderous tendencies? Let's just drop the subject, since it doesn't make any damn sense and will only cause more argument.

Thank you. Can you all arguing about this please shut the hell up?

[Agamemnon]

Teek, why is it in any thread where people argue you rush in and scream bloody murder and make the situation worse? Forums are for arguing, not finger painting and being happy happy nice nice to one another.

[Bodzilla]

FUCK YOU AND YOUR OPINION AGGY.

:p
But i think this has gone on far enough boys :/

[Mass]

I have to agree with aggy here. Arguements are one of the most entertaining parts of forums.

The figures are old and bad, and you know who you are when I tell you to:
Learn to not be biggoted assfaces before you start talking again

Oh, and I'm American, but Obama.

[TeeKup]

Teek, why is it in any thread where people argue you rush in and scream bloody murder and make the situation worse? Forums are for arguing, not finger painting and being happy happy nice nice to one another.

They can bitch and scream about presidential candidates all they want, but last time I re-called this topic wasn't about comparing blacks, to whites, to homicide in any shape or form.

[Agamemnon]

They can bitch and scream about presidential candidates all they want, but last time I re-called this topic wasn't about comparing blacks, to whites, to homicide in any shape or form.
And thus why others refuted the argument.

Arguments happen. Don't like it? Ignore it and get on with it.

Edit: By the way, the argument has long since been over. Thanks for reminding everyone about it I guess? :/

[ExAm]

I think this topic has served its purpose, and it's gotten out of hand. It was supposed to be about foreign opinion of presidential candidates, NOT a discussion of ethnic crime rates.

Thread over. :lock:

[Phopojijo]

Obama based on what little info I've come across.
Ofcourse, this is the country that elected bush twice so the odds of a good president getting in are low as it is. :pAnd rated both him and his father highly in the "greatest American" EXN special.

Yea, that's right... Bush Jr. was rated higher than Jefferson, Edison, and JFK...

So, yea.

Whoops didn't see the later posts.