O: HD4850, GTX260/280 out... OH GOD 4870 !!!? :O

[Bodzilla]

http://www.guru3d.com/news/ati-radeon-hd-4870-vs-geforce-9800-gx2-benchmark-results/



We have absolutely no idea how valid these results are. Yet there are some results floating on the web showing regarding ATI's upcoming ATI HD 4870 512MB ATI HD 4870 versus the 1GB GeForce 9800 GX2. Included are Crysis and 3DMark06 results.
Let me state that anyone can make this stuff up and re-produce some nice charts. But if true .. very interesting as it would certainly seem that the new Radeon is an impressive contender. A well .. fingers crossed.


Apparent test system:


Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 @ 3.00GHz
ASUS P5E3 Deluxe
2×1GB OCZ (http://www.guru3d.com/news/ati-radeon-hd-4870-vs-geforce-9800-gx2-benchmark-results/#) DDR3 1333MHz 9-9-9-26
Western Digital 250GB 16MB SATA2 7200RPM
1GB GeForce 9800 GX2 - 600/1500/2000mhz
512MB ATI HD 4870 - 800/3400mhz (gDDR5 ?)


The results:
http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=13260
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/759/imageviewyp1.jpg
http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=13262

[Sel]

I dont understand D:

[Bodzilla]

Thats the new Radeon vs the new Nivida card.

not certain if the pics are real or not, but i fuckign hope they are.
Nividia needs to be punished for the 9 series, Hard.

[Jelly]

Wasn't the 9800 core just a slightly modified 8800 core? If so, the results aren't too surprising.

[beele]

Thats the new Radeon vs the new Nivida card.

not certain if the pics are real or not, but i fuckign hope they are.
Nividia needs to be punished for the 9 series, Hard.

Indeed, the Nvidia 9 series are total bs, no real performance gain, I'm liking this new ati card :)

[Con]

please be true :(

[Llama Juice]

oh please please please be true

I've been waiting on buying a new video card because of the lack of worth...

[InnerGoat]

512mb?

welp, guess i'll just run with AA off.

[LlamaMaster]

The last time I heard about this there was supposed to be a 1gb model. (and several other lower versions) Again though, I may just be speculation. :/

Hope to god it isn't though....

[InnerGoat]

There will be. :awesome:

[Bodzilla]

please be true :(
QFT^

Nividia needs to have there ass's nailed to the wall and crucified for the bullshit that is the "9 series".
Lazyness and incompetence should be punished and i sure hope ATI can do it.

[Syuusuke]

And Nvidia plans on having the 9900 (I think) to nail ATI's new card.

This ATI card also has displayport right?

[Warsaw]

This is just a regular HD4870, a 512MB model at that. If these results are true, just think of what the 2GB model HD4870 X2 will do (and yes, that is a planned model).

Please be true. I don't want another nVidia card...:saddowns:.

[Zeph]

Crysis...very high...1600x1200....44 fps.....
what has science done?

[alby]

QFT^

Nividia needs to have there ass's nailed to the wall and crucified for the bullshit that is the "9 series".
Lazyness and incompetence should be punished and i sure hope ATI can do it.
Have you not looked at AMDs 3 series? Only the 3870x2 has a decent performance increase compared to my 1 and a half year old card. When the 2900 came out AMD did the same thing as Nvidia is doing now, since they thought that nothing could top the 2900 they weren't expecting the 8800 to be so powerful.

[ultama121]

:O That thing is a little can of POWER...

[itszutak]

Anyone got price estimates yet? >_>

[InnerGoat]

350

[Bodzilla]

Have you not looked at AMDs 3 series? Only the 3870x2 has a decent performance increase compared to my 1 and a half year old card. When the 2900 came out AMD did the same thing as Nvidia is doing now, since they thought that nothing could top the 2900 they weren't expecting the 8800 to be so powerful.
And did Nividia Punish them for being lazy? y/n?

y.

[legionaire45]

Wow, if the single card variant can perform like that then this GPU round will be quite interesting.

Still, we haven't seen what the GT200 core is capable of. I'm going to assume it won't be much of an update though considering it is just a die-shrink of the current cores IIRC.

This is probably the best time for ATI to take over the performance crown considering how much shit is going on against Nvidia at the moment. Nvidia is trying to place itself directly against Intel while it is having driver problems. If ATI can slip in and beat Nvidia before Intel releases their discreet GPU product then they will definitely have an edge in the market, whether they are the runner up or the top performer. On paper it looks like Nvidia has seriously fucked up this round. We'll just have to wait and see though.

[Patrickssj6]

My bro is getting that ATI...can't wait and just because <3 Euro-$ Exchange rate.

[Bodzilla]

Tell him to hold off, we dont know on the legistics of this yet
however if it's true
it would be epic win

[Patrickssj6]

On new egg they posted some fps numbers for Crysis on very high...~40 fps if I remember correctly.

[ultama121]

350
:XD: If that is right than it seems as if I'm getting a card besides the 9800 GTX with my new Compy... :)

[DrunkenSamus]

Basically, the chart shows that the new ATI card anally penetrates the 9 series...

[legionaire45]

More ATI lulz.
(http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/02/summer-bring-gpu-war)

[ultama121]

^Only time will tell the end of this part of the GFX war... /announcer

[Pooky]

I think this calls for a DBZ parody, with two gfx cards floating in the air and glowing.

PREVIOUSLY ON DRAGON BALL Z

[InnerGoat]

More ATI lulz.
(http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/02/summer-bring-gpu-war)
:inquirer:

[Botolf]

40+ FPS for Crysis on Very High?

Megaton?

[DaneO'Roo]

In calling bullshit before everyones hopes get slaughtered.




I call bullshit.

[Bodzilla]

But you've always been a nividia fan boy :P

[DaneO'Roo]

Not really, I've just never seen an ati card that was great for it's price. Nvidia, I had the 6600GT for like, 4 years without a hitch, always had decent performance in games, and the thing only cost like 120 bucks. My new 8600GT, cost 120 bucks, I'm running ut3 at max settings, sitting around 40 - 60 fps. That and I've never owned an ati card, so I'd rather just go with whats worked for me allready. I don't really wanna gamble with what might or might not be. I know nvidia cards will work, and work great, and I know I can pick a good mid ranged one up that will do fine for my needs.

[InnerGoat]

In calling bullshit before everyones hopes get slaughtered.




I call bullshit.we've known, thanks

[Amit]

Not really, I've just never seen an ati card that was great for it's price. Nvidia, I had the 6600GT for like, 4 years without a hitch, always had decent performance in games, and the thing only cost like 120 bucks. My new 8600GT, cost 120 bucks, I'm running ut3 at max settings, sitting around 40 - 60 fps. That and I've never owned an ati card, so I'd rather just go with whats worked for me allready. I don't really wanna gamble with what might or might not be. I know nvidia cards will work, and work great, and I know I can pick a good mid ranged one up that will do fine for my needs.

I'm not exactly sure how the prices work down there in Australia but up here in North America ATi always has the best bang for your buck. In 2006, ATi had the Radeon X1950 PRO which was a real bang for your buck at $249 because it had high-end performance and in early 2007 prices dropped to $220 and $199 CAD . Last year, they brought out the HD 3850 which was an extremely good card for its original price of $199 CAD. This year, ATi hasn't brought out anything new for a low price but the prices for HD 3870s have dropped heaps in teh last 2 months. I think you can buy some of the best HD 3870s for as low as $165 US. Never has nVidia come out with something like that for the past 2 years. Well until now that is; the 9600GT is out with performance matching and exceeding the stock HD 3870 in some places and the 8800GT is relatively cheap nowadays at around $199 CAD when it's on sale at Futureshop.

[Zeph]

Not really, I've just never seen an ati card that was great for it's price.
9600 XT, 9800 Pro, AIW 9800 Pro, 9800 XL, X700, AIW X800, X1950, AIW X1x00, 3870 x, and 3850s have all been great for their price.

[Patrickssj6]

Not really, I've just never seen an ati card that was great for it's price. Nvidia, I had the 6600GT for like, 4 years without a hitch, always had decent performance in games, and the thing only cost like 120 bucks. My new 8600GT, cost 120 bucks, I'm running ut3 at max settings, sitting around 40 - 60 fps. That and I've never owned an ati card, so I'd rather just go with whats worked for me allready. I don't really wanna gamble with what might or might not be. I know nvidia cards will work, and work great, and I know I can pick a good mid ranged one up that will do fine for my needs.
You can overclock that 6800GT like mine about 25% with ease. +150Mhz gpu clock and +200Mhz memory clock and it's still stable.

[Pooky]

9600 XT, 9800 Pro, AIW 9800 Pro, 9800 XL, X700, AIW X800, X1950, AIW X1x00, 3870 x, and 3850s have all been great for their price.

Dont forget 3650, its cheap as shit for the performance you get

[Amit]

Dont forget 3650, its cheap as shit for the performance you get

How much better than the 2600XT is it? I haven't bothered at looking at benchmarks for anything by ATi below the HD 3850.

[Dr Nick]

I just hope ATi get better drivers before releasing anything else.

[legionaire45]

Well, to be honest Nvidia needs to get their drivers straight even more then ATI - Nvidia's drivers are the most unstable crap ever. Nvidia's driver problems accounted for around 30ish percent of Vista crashes which is horrific considering how many people use that OS. ATI's multi-GPU driver, while still suffering from relatively poor performance when using more then 2 cores, outscales Nvidia's software by a lot.

I still love my 8800 GTS though, even if Oblivion artifacts when you force AA and AF in the driver (which worked without artifacts in the older driver). D: D: D: D:.

[Zeph]

Not like they haven't had 2 years of Vista being gold to hammer out problems with the drivers. I'm not worrying about the 48xx series lacking good drivers.

[Patrickssj6]

Well, to be honest Nvidia needs to get their drivers straight even more then ATI - Nvidia's drivers are the most unstable crap ever. Nvidia's driver problems accounted for around 30ish percent of Vista crashes which is horrific considering how many people use that OS. ATI's multi-GPU driver, while still suffering from relatively poor performance when using more then 2 cores, outscales Nvidia's software by a lot.

I still love my 8800 GTS though, even if Oblivion artifacts when you force AA and AF in the driver (which worked without artifacts in the older driver). D: D: D: D:.
I don't want to sound like a whore but you should learn the difference between "then" and "than". Even for a non native like me it's like a stab in the eyes. :)

But I agree with you...I'm pretty sure that about 75% of the Vista crashes are caused by faulty display drivers...they should be the ones paying most attention to what they produce and release.

[Terin]

Well, to be honest Nvidia needs to get their drivers straight even more then ATI - Nvidia's drivers are the most unstable crap ever. Nvidia's driver problems accounted for around 30ish percent of Vista crashes which is horrific considering how many people use that OS. ATI's multi-GPU driver, while still suffering from relatively poor performance when using more then 2 cores, outscales Nvidia's software by a lot.

I still love my 8800 GTS though, even if Oblivion artifacts when you force AA and AF in the driver (which worked without artifacts in the older driver). D: D: D: D:.I've had tons of BSOD's due to ATI driver errors in Vista. My other machine with a 6200LE works fine on Vista. But that's just my experience.

This looks good, hopefully it will push Nvidia to not reuse the same GPU, and make something new.

[Warsaw]

Like a GeForce 9900 GX2...:downs:.

[343guiltymc]

These new series names confuse me. :(

[Amit]

These new series names confuse me. :(

I'm not sure how much confusion they could cause but here's the new ATi system:

Using the examples of ATi Radeon HD 3870 and HD 3850 video cards.

1. You look at the 3000 and know that it's the ATi Radeon 3000 Series of video cards.
2. After that, look at the second digit. It has a high number of 8 so that mean's it's one of the higher end video cards. The scale on which it is set is as follows: 34XX-Low End, 36XX-Low/Mid End, 38XX-Med/High End.
3. Look at the third digit. There are only two options for each. The HD 38XX cards use 5 and 7 as the third digit to identify which is higher end. The 5 is the medium range card (HD 3850) and 7 is the high-end card (HD 3870)

For nVidia cards use the same format as GeForce 8 video cards. The GX2 means two GPUs on one board.

I hope that clears things up. Ask again if you still have trouble understanding.

[343guiltymc]

Remind me again why did ATI change the name conventions? They could confuse potential buyers who are n00bs in computer hardwares.

[Warsaw]

Because previous naming conventions were subjective, and had no set meanings. Now, the letters and numbers have definite meanings set in stone, and in a format that can be applied to all future cards.

[legionaire45]

I've had tons of BSOD's due to ATI driver errors in Vista. My other machine with a 6200LE works fine on Vista. But that's just my experience.

This looks good, hopefully it will push Nvidia to not reuse the same GPU, and make something new.
I'm basing my argument off of Microsoft's official numbers (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080325-vista-capable-lawsuit-paints-picture-of-buggy-nvidia-drivers.html). Both companies have lots of driver incompatibilities and issues but Nvidia's Vista driver bullshit accounts for an extreme percentage of that chart, something that undeniably points to shitty drivers on their part. I haven't run an ATI video card on Vista though, so I don't have first hand experience of instability on their part.

I really like ATI's new naming system - it actually makes a lot of sense when you break it down. Nvidia is saying that they are going to redo the naming scheme for their products but I'll wait for them to actually do something instead of simply spew PR bullshit.

[InnerGoat]

:)

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7755.html :)

some of GTX 280's specs are out too :)

[Amit]

That's crazy! Assuming the prices of the HD 4850s are pushed up by $50 in Ontario, you can get a 8800GT buster for only $250 :)

Also, apparently nVidia has reworked their naming system?

[InnerGoat]

http://www.tomshardware.tw/549,news-549.html

[Sel]

Yeah go ATI! :party:

this isnt sarcasm

[JunkfoodMan]

I think I might replace my 8800GT with this O_o

[Amit]

Damn, time to replace these Atomics with some HD 48x0s. Nvm, I just might wait for the Atomic/Toxic/Equivalent version from Sapphire cuz I know they'll make one lol. Or maybe a possible HD 4850X2 would be nice as well.

This next GPU battle is going to be spicy :D

[ultama121]

Awesome.

[kenney001]

if these prices are true ill be picking one up later next month....

[InnerGoat]

News floating all over on both AMD and Nv cards. They are coming soon :D

We've known for long that the faster of the two, 280, will sport 240 shader processors, 512-bit bus, 1GB GDDR3 RAM, 32 ROPs and 80 TMUs. In turn, GTX 260 will sport 192 shaders, 448-bit bus, 896MB GDDR3 memory, 24 ROPS and 64 TMUs.

Prices will be $600 for the GTX280 and $450 for the GTX260, pretty much as expected.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7794.html
the shaders are ~50% faster than those on the G80 too.

17th of june woop

[Terin]

Nvidia better have a revolution soon. However, I think they had a good run with the 8800GT and GTS for a while, and now ATI will have a leg up on the market for the time being.

[legionaire45]

Pictures of the ATI cards themselves. (http://www.techpowerup.com/61265/First_ATI_Radeon_HD_4870_and_HD_4850_Pictures_Emer ge.html)

Pictures of the coolers for said cards. (http://www.techpowerup.com/61191/ATI_Radeon_HD_4800_Series_Coolers_Pictured.html)

If I can find any pics of Nvidia hardware later I'll post those (unless someone gets to them first :3)

[Zeph]

Wait, what's up with the GTX 260 and 280? Are those like the different versions of a card I.E. X1800XL versus X1800XT?? So we'd have a 4870 GTX 260 as a lower-cost high end and a 4870 GTX 280 as the flagship?

[InnerGoat]

Pictures of the ATI cards themselves. (http://www.techpowerup.com/61265/First_ATI_Radeon_HD_4870_and_HD_4850_Pictures_Emer ge.html)

Pictures of the coolers for said cards. (http://www.techpowerup.com/61191/ATI_Radeon_HD_4800_Series_Coolers_Pictured.html)

If I can find any pics of Nvidia hardware later I'll post those (unless someone gets to them first :3)all we've seen is the board and the massive heat spreader it has, like on G80. No cooler yet, but some other company announced a full cover waterblock for the thing :rolleyes:

[Warsaw]

Wait, what's up with the GTX 260 and 280? Are those like the different versions of a card I.E. X1800XL versus X1800XT?? So we'd have a 4870 GTX 260 as a lower-cost high end and a 4870 GTX 280 as the flagship?

No. ATi's flagship will be the HD 4870 X2 2GB GDDR5 model, with the HD4870 being the upper-mid range and the 4850 being the low-cost/high-end model.

For nVidia, the GTX 280 and GTX 260 are enthusiast cards. They cost $650 and $450 respectively. I suspect the GTX260 will be their main card, with the GTX 280 being the "Ultra" of this round.

So, it is looking like HD 4870 X2 2GB vs. GTX280 and HD4870 1GB vs. GTX260.

[alby]

I suspect the GTX260 will be their main card, with the GTX 280 being the "Ultra" of this round. The GTX280 would be like the 8800GTX of it's day, and the GTX260 is like the 8800GTS 640mb. The new core in these cards will supposedly have a die shrink a few months after it is released, and that will most likely be like the 8800Ultra, if that is the way you want to look at it.

[Amit]

This will be the death of nVidia if they don't bring out mid-range products near the time that they launch the GTX 280 and GTX 260 because those prices are ridiculously high; everyone wold just opt-out for an ATi card.

[InnerGoat]

the current cards are midrange :awesome:

also, here is your new king

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeForce_GTX_280_Card_Stripped_Naked/5856.html

[ultama121]

:iia:

[343guiltymc]

the current cards are midrange :awesome:

also, here is your new king

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeForce_GTX_280_Card_Stripped_Naked/5856.html
Needs more benchmarks. Can't tell much from screenshots of the card itself.

[Snowy]

Mmmm... sexy.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/snowysnowcones/officialamdslideahd4800eg3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/snowysnowcones/officialamdslidebhd4800mz1.jpg

Apparently, they're real. Some people under NDA showed slight "cut outs" of the same graph. link (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=287373&page=5)

If these are true, R700 (aka, two 4870's.. rumored to share a pool of memory, too) should dominate the GTX 280. But who knows? It's all up in the air until release day.

[Amit]

two 4870's.. rumored to share a pool of memory, too) should dominate the GTX 280.

Still, the GTS 280 is one card it's kinda sad that ATi has to pair two of their flagship chips together to take down just one of the competition's flagships.

Well, as we all know, ATi shoots for maximum efficiency with maximum performance, where as, nVidia goes for the maximum performance, sparing no energy.

Unless nVidia brings their chips to more reasonable uses and prices, ATi will dominate them in this round.

All we can do now is wait for Zero Day.

[Bodzilla]

GO ATI.

Nvidia need to be raped with a forked stick for that bullshit that was the 9 series.

[alby]

Well, as we all know, ATi shoots for maximum efficiency with maximum performance, where as, nVidia goes for the maximum performance, sparing no energy.Nvidia did it with the 8800 GTX and the price was $650 when it was launched. The 8800s have been dominating performance-wise for the most part, and launch was in November of 2006. ATI should start making real high end cards again like the x1950s.

[Snowy]

It's silly to make one high-end chip. It costs less money to develop and process a smaller chip that when you pair two of them, equals or excels the power of one big chip.

The days of the "Big GPU's" are over.

[Amit]

Nvidia did it with the 8800 GTX and the price was $650 when it was launched. The 8800s have been dominating performance-wise for the most part, and launch was in November of 2006. ATI should start making real high end cards again like the x1950s.

That's the thing, though. It's gotten to the point where the folks playing the games only want to be able to play Crysis at high-very high settings with a great framerate. Once you know your PC can handle Crysis no problem, then you know that your PC can handle anything else that gaming has to offer. Once the new ATI Radeon HD 4850s and HD 4870s are released, you won't need anything better after that to play at Very-High settings and get an excellent framerate in Crysis. Nobody will need flagship GPUs for a while. At least they won't need them until the next PC killing title comes along.


It's silly to make one high-end chip. It costs less money to develop and process a smaller chip that when you pair two of them, equals or excels the power of one big chip.


While this is correct for the most part, sometimes multiple cards equals more hassle for setting up and configuring them. Hell, even till now Crysis has problems with my CrossFireX HD 3870s. At times the dual card setup will fail to even work in the game or might actually give you less performance than a single card.

[Snowy]

w00t
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191096

[Amit]

Damn, I'm gonna sell these HD 3870s and get me some overclocked HD 4850s.

Check out these pics and 3D Mark 06 results. Lots of pics :D:

Powercolor HD 4850 @ OCWorkbench (http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432522)

And Holy Shit. Take a look at this:

Premium Graphics (http://www.unleashonetera.com/)

Bad news for nVidia's GT200?

Check it out (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/29/nvidia-gt200-sucessor-tapes)

There are so many websites praising the HD 4800 series lol

AMD is going to play the price/performance card against GeForce GTX, Vantage comparison (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7860.html)

I might post more links tomorrow for people who haven't done their own searching around and links that aren't already in this thread.

[ultama121]

I want some more 4870 performance, BTW, how much is do you guys think the X2 will cost?

[InnerGoat]

450-500

[ultama121]

Hmm... and the plain 4870?

[Snowy]

Hmm... and the plain 4870?
Rumors say $299 for 512mb GDDR5 version, and $329-$349 for 1GB version.

[Amit]

Rumors say $299 for 512mb GDDR5 version, and $329-$349 for 1GB version.

I'd say that's decent but I'd like to see what nVidia offers for just a few bucks more than the HD 4870 512mb version.

[InnerGoat]

nothing really. gtx260 is ~450

[Amit]

nothing really. gtx260 is ~450

;) Precisely. It's a test to see if they even got anything in the price range ROFL.

[InnerGoat]

welp nda lifted

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_gtx_280_260_performance/page13.asp

[Amit]

Check this out: Hands-On with Nvidia's new GeForce GTX 280! (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/unveiled_nvidias_next_gen_gpu)

Way to trick your customers nVidia. A lot of people are gonna be pissed that the GTX 280 will outperform their 9800GTX by up to 50%. Now the 9800GX2 is obsolete and a waste of money.

[InnerGoat]

now to wait for the 4870 and 4870x2 so we can compare :-3

[Amit]

hellz yeah :pervert:

[Xetsuei]

Hah, good thing I've been waiting a while to buy new stuff.

[Amit]

You can now buy the GTX280 from newegg.com. I'm going to look for some reviews by customers if there are any.

Edit: It's kinda sad how people dis the card because they can't afford it and for beta drivers.

[InnerGoat]

Xetsuei™;266288']Hah, good thing I've been waiting a while to buy new stuff.
well what are you waiting for, buy 2 of them!

Or 3

[Xetsuei]

Going to wait for ATI's new stuff first. Then maybe I'll do a full on upgrade.

[InnerGoat]

4850's out, performs similar to/or better than 9800gtx for 199 bux

go buy some.

[itszutak]

4850's out, performs similar to/or better than 9800gtx for 199 bux

go buy some.Holy shit I need that card. Just looked up some benchmarks.

Does ATI have something similar to nVidia's driver controls? (IE, a method to change color/contrast/brightness/sharpness balances, and to force aspect ratios with different rezzes)

[Amit]

Holy shit I need that card. Just looked up some benchmarks.

Does ATI have something similar to nVidia's driver controls? (IE, a method to change color/contrast/brightness/sharpness balances, and to force aspect ratios with different rezzes)

I believe you are looking for ATi Catalyst Control Center. You can download it with the drivers at the ati.amd.com site or just the drivers alone. Take the package, it's what you're seeking.

HOLY SHIT. 4850's out? i better go check some websites for info.

Shit, check out this bad boy :o:

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-103-060-04.jpg

Check out this bullshit Canadian price: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3923757&body=MAIN#detailspecs

[alby]

HERE (http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4850-review-force-3d--powercolor/) is a review from Guru3D.com on how it performs with 1 card, and in crossfire. It performs great for the price and takes on the GTX 280 in CF mode. I'll skip this series of cards and go for the ones that come after it though.

[Amit]

Yeah, on a lot of websites the crossfire HD 4850s are getting extremely comparable performance to GTX280s.

[ultama121]

I wants mah 4870 1GB.:o

[Warsaw]

And I wants the 4870 X2 2GB... :o.

I find it amusing that ATi's performance-economy card ($200) is holding its own against the nVidia GTX 280 ($650). Just goes to show you how jacked up the nVidia prices are. The only reason they get better frames in games is because most games are optimized for nVidia graphics solutions anyways. Last time I saw an ATi logo on a game was back in 2004, for Half-Life 2.

[ultama121]

You can afford that monster?!

[alby]

I find it amusing that ATi's performance-economy card ($200) is holding its own against the nVidia GTX 280 ($650). Just goes to show you how jacked up the nVidia prices are.It is only holding its own in CF. The 9800GTX+ will be out soon and it will compete against the 4850/4870. Also you can now get an EVGA SC 9800GTX for $199 at newegg, which is pretty neck and neck with the 4850 at those overclocked speeds.

[InnerGoat]

werd. the gtx280 is p expensive though. with all the cheap 9800GTXs and hd4850s everywhere, it makes buying the gtx280 hard to justify :-3

[itszutak]

Do they still make low-wattage cards, like my 7800gtx? I've noticed that if I were ever to upgrade my card, I'd need a new PSU and most likely a new case to deal with the heat, which has definitely turned me off of buying a new card.

[alby]

If you want low wattage you should look into the 4650s when they come out. They will give you quite a boost over what you have and still be able to run on that PSU(I think), just as long as you only upgrade your Graphics card and nothing else.

[Amit]

Do they still make low-wattage cards, like my 7800gtx? I've noticed that if I were ever to upgrade my card, I'd need a new PSU and most likely a new case to deal with the heat, which has definitely turned me off of buying a new card.

You can run a 7900GTX on a 375-Watt power supply? Holy Shit. What are the +12V rail amperages?

[InnerGoat]

He could probably run a 9600gt or 8800gt in there, but uh... upgrade that pentium D first

[alby]

You can run a 7900GTX on a 375-Watt power supply? Holy Shit. What are the +12V rail amperages?It's only a 7800GTX.

[Amit]

Oh shit, I read wrong. I thought it said 7900

[legionaire45]

Looks like Nvidia's really fucked themselves up :3. From what I have read the yields on the GTX280s and the 260s are horrific, hence the price. The core itself is absolutely monolithic, the performance per watt is bad and it can't even beat out the 9800 GX2 on it's own. GG Nvidia.

[itszutak]

It's only a 7800GTX.
That was an expensive card when it came out :<

[alby]

Mine was $650:rolleyes:.
Anyway, I hope that the 4870 will be atleast 20% increase over the 4850, since I'm looking to buy a decent card for my cousins birthday in 1 month.

[Amit]

Mine was $650:rolleyes:.
Anyway, I hope that the 4870 will be atleast 20% increase over the 4850, since I'm looking to buy a decent card for my cousins birthday in 1 month.

That's a nice birthday gift.

[alby]

That's a nice birthday gift.He helped me buy/install a supercharger on my car. It was big money

If anyone wants to see a review of CF and CFX this (http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1475/1/page_1_introduction/index.html) is a pretty good review. The drivers are a bit early for CFX but it still shows gains in some games.

[kenney001]

HELL YES!!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102747

[ultama121]

Nice!

[Xetsuei]

It's already been out for a while...

[InnerGoat]

They were going for 170 or so at bestbuy last week. Some Visiontek sale.

[ultama121]

Anybody know when the first 4870 1GB reviews should start coming out?

[kenney001]

I believe the actual card comes out on wednesday the 25th. Not sure about the reviews...

[ultama121]

Thanks :).

[kenney001]

Oh my god...I just realized the title says the hd4850 is out.....i am blind....

[Xetsuei]

The GTX 260 isn't out.

[Snowy]

omg... (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expreview.com%2Ftopic %2F2008-06-24%2F1214282167d9273.html&hl=zh-CN&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en)

[Amit]

omg... (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expreview.com%2Ftopic %2F2008-06-24%2F1214282167d9273.html&hl=zh-CN&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en)

Holy Shit! +rep...i hope it's real tho.

e: It's real. Well, it looks like the best choice is to CrossFireX ONLY two Radeon HD 4850s. Two together beat out most of the competition and if you add anymore than two of them it's known that they actually degrade performance. I can't justify buying a HD 4870 if it's only about 10% ahead of just one HD 4850. Again...CrossFireX two HD 4850s and you get pretty much GTX 280 performance for less and beat everything else.

[Con]

Hot card is hot.

[Amit]

Hot card is hot.

The ASUS Extreme HD 4850 is a smoking hot card, literally. The damn thing idles at 79 degree Celsius but that's due to poor stock heatsink/fan. Replace it with a ThermalTake DuORB GPU fan and you're good. Check out the insane performance of this card in benchmarks here:

Asus Extreme Radeon HD 4850 (http://www.techspot.com/review/103-asus-radeon-4850/)

[InnerGoat]

Hey Anandtech's review with the 4870 poped up :awesome:

edit- hardware canuck's review http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/8162-palit-radeon-hd4870-512mb-graphics-card-review.html

[InnerGoat]

Anandtech's server must have blown up by now, so this is all I could grab-

http://www.h2vista.net/innergoat/net/crysis2.png

http://www.h2vista.net/innergoat/net/crysis.jpg

[ultama121]

I've seen those reviews before, love the performance.

[Snowy]

Basically the 4870 is around the GTX 260 performance, about half the time beating it, about half the time loosing by a small margin or keeping right on pace with it. Seems to be a great deal for $300.

[alby]

The 4870 is out on newegg, they are sold out though.

Edit: The title says that the 260 is out but they're not...

Edit2: Here (http://guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-260-review/) is a review on the 260, the review is by Guru3d.com.

[InnerGoat]

Some people are already getting the GTX260's they ordered

[ultama121]

Any idea when the 1GB versions of the 4870 should be out?

[InnerGoat]

Next month maybe. Saw something about a 1gb 4850 from Asus or whoever, so a 1gb 4870 should follow soon.

[ultama121]

Is the difference between the 1GB and 512MB versions worth the wait?

[InnerGoat]

not unless you're running on a 30" LCD with 24xAA, no.

[ultama121]

Um... maybe... :embarrassed:




Jk. Thanks for the help, + Rep :).

[InnerGoat]

Also, a new card has shown up in the latest nvidia beta drivers, GT200-400

the GTX280 is GT200-300

[Amit]

Also, a new card has shown up in the latest nvidia beta drivers, GT200-400

the GTX280 is GT200-300

Ultra 280?

[InnerGoat]

probably just the die shrink to 55nm. I don't see them making an ultra unless they got a better heatsink on it.

[Snowy]

I don't think the 55nm shrink will come out any time before October... shrinking down the GTX 280 chip is no easy task, considering how huge it is. I would think it's the 9800GT, but honestly, who knows.

[InnerGoat]

what if they've been working on the shrink months before the gtx280 came out :p

the yeilds they are currently getting are horrible

[Xetsuei]

I don't think the 55nm shrink will come out any time before October... shrinking down the GTX 280 chip is no easy task, considering how huge it is. I would think it's the 9800GT, but honestly, who knows.

I could of swore somewhere I saw they had a benchmark chart and one of the cards they compared was a 9800GT. Maybe they just typo'd the 8800 and put 9800? I don't know.

[Amit]

Xetsuei™;268983']I could of swore somewhere I saw they had a benchmark chart and one of the cards they compared was a 9800GT. Maybe they just typo'd the 8800 and put 9800? I don't know.

With all the benchmarks running around, you can be sure. It was probably a typo.

[InnerGoat]

gtx 260 and 280 got lolhuge price cuts :awesome:

[Syuusuke]

From what to what?

[InnerGoat]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127360

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127361

look for yourself.

[Warsaw]

Hmmm...those prices are a LOT better than they were. Still, it's not enough for me to consider the GTX260 over the HD4870 or HD4850 considering that only the MSI version is at the $300 mark, and all the others are at least $30 over that.

[Hotrod]

Same here, I'm going for the HD4850, unless one of the two drops to the same price, or only a bit higher.

[Warsaw]

I am definitely waiting for the HD4870 X2...I want to squeeze as much power out of a small mATX system as possible, and since true Crossfire isn't an option, that is the best bet.

[Amit]

Haha nVidia, eat it!

[Bodzilla]

:awesome:

That'll teach them for the bullshit that was the "9 series".
eat a dick you lazy bastards.

[Amit]

So does everyone hate nVidia yet, as I do?

[legionaire45]

Right now I feel sorry for Nvidia's partners - they're having to pay excessive amounts for cores and such as is and now Nvidia is forcing an artificial price cut - ouch.

Nvidia better learn and they better learn quick - their partners are already jumping ship (Gainward in particular iirc).

EDIT:
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/07/04/20080704_4b4e4bcba48c7d63d4a6odrI9Brf0mF9_1.jpg
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/07/04/20080704_ca9f515b36da04126a75v9Ct9ujzbCi5_1.jpg
Pretty.

[Amit]

Right now I feel sorry for Nvidia's partners - they're having to pay excessive amounts for cores and such as is and now Nvidia is forcing an artificial price cut - ouch.

Nvidia better learn and they better learn quick - their partners are already jumping ship (Gainward in particular iirc).

EDIT:
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/07/04/20080704_4b4e4bcba48c7d63d4a6odrI9Brf0mF9_1.jpg
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/07/04/20080704_ca9f515b36da04126a75v9Ct9ujzbCi5_1.jpg
Pretty.

That onyx paint job looks fucking badass.

e: O-SHI! WAIT....that's the X2!!!???

[Bodzilla]

you didnt notice the two cores? :raise:

this is TREMENDOUS NEWS!

[Syuusuke]

They look long. Again?

Oh right two cores, that's why.

[Hotrod]

Now that is a nice looking video card. I wonder how much it will cost? I know it will be a fortune, but not how big it will be. I'm guessing around the 500$ range.

[Con]

Ok say I have $300, what card do I buy gogogogogo

check my system specs if that makes a difference somehow

[Bodzilla]

4870 :S?

not good with the pricings at the moment because they differ from country to country. but at this stage of the game con, you cant go past an ATI 4 series.

there just winning machines of win atm.


E: also give me a link on the x2 card.

[Con]

Ok, thought so.

[Warsaw]

If you can Crossfire, I'd say save about $40 get two HD4850s.
If not, then yes, the HD4870 is the card to get. Unless you really want that $300 MSI GTX260...

Also, you WILL need a bigger power supply...460W isn't going to cut it.

[Snowy]

Go for 4870 Conscars :)

[InnerGoat]

He's only running a 17" LCD, so crossfire would be a waste. A single 4850 or 9800GTX+ will play everything at that low resolution.

[Amit]

Go for 4870 Conscars :)

$100 more for 1280x1024? Definitely not.

[Snowy]

Oh sorry, didn't realize he was running 1280x1024. So 4850 would be good.

Oh Amit, congrats on your 1337 post. :)

[Amit]

Oh sorry, didn't realize he was running 1280x1024. So 4850 would be good.

Oh Amit, congrats on your 1337 post. :)

Shit happens. Damn I didn't get to take a SS! now i'm at a bullshit 1340.