Ur doing it rong (Battle Rifle)

[PenGuin1362]

2 hours of work

4,500 tris with scope (scope's a little small but will fix later)
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9153/battleriflescoperb3.jpg

just because i can (+10 minutes for reflex sight)

3,700 tris with reflex sight.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3480/battleriflereflexsightlr6.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2509/battlerifleflipsightsh7.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5163/battleriflerailgripvx1.jpg


Maybe more shit to add if I get bored (like the safety >_<).

[thehoodedsmack]

Best I've seen yet. Keep it up.

[Tweek]

looks okay, theres a need for some proper edge-cutting at the back of your front grip.

[Sel]

Thats purdy nice modellin you do thar mister penguin.

[Invader Veex]

Ooh I likes.

[ICEE]

That looks pretty good. The scope doesn't look perfectly accurate from the angle. I think its only supposed to have that curve on one side.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/general%20stuff/battleriflescoperb3image.jpg

It also looks like those holes in the gun are to small and have to much space between.

[Pooky]

Scope size is fine the way it is, but reflex sight is better in every way.

[Elite Killa]

I would love to actually try to use the BR with the reflex sight.

[MetKiller Joe]

I like the reflex site. As Tweek mentioned, the fore grip needs some work. I'm seeing some smoothing errors there.

There is nothing wrong with the triangle count (to the best of my knowledge), and, as others have mentioned, looks like a very accurate model.

Also, could you post a wireframe?

[ICEE]

I disagree. I think the reflex sight doesn't really fit the gun's design language.

[Anton]

Theres a tiny error I see, it might not even be an error. Looks good though, besides a few small things here and there it looks great. I like the reflex scope, but it doesn't seem like it would fit with the design of the gun. It would be fun to use though.
http://t1xanton.com/Files/Drivers/battleriflereflexsightlr6.jpg

[ima_from_America]

2 words: Battle Carbine.

[PenGuin1362]

Errors tweek pointed out I still gotta touch up, that error there is not to much of a problem at the moment since it can't be seen in game. Also wireframes coming when I'm not lazy. Also, cod4 joke weapon mb? :p

[Choking Victim]

jawsome, i'd rep you if i could pengy. :)

[Nexus Halo]

How about the ACOG scope?

[SnaFuBAR]

I disagree. I think the reflex sight doesn't really fit the gun's design language.
too bad you're totally wrong.

[MetKiller Joe]

too bad you're totally wrong.

I think one is entitled to their opinion, no? (I still think the reflex site looks badass [although, to me, it looks just a mite wide]).

+rep Penguin.

[SnaFuBAR]

opinion doesn't matter when the plain fact is that the battle rifle and reflex sight share similar angles and mixes of curvature and line, therefore sharing design language. you're entitled to have a wrong opinion, sure, just understand that you're wrong.

[jngrow]

I think the reflex sight looks kinda weird on the BR, just so not used to it :P. Pretty cool tho.

[SuperSunny]

That reflex sight kicks ass. The model kicks ass. Good work.

[Corndogman]

I think it might just be that we're used to seeing the regular BR scope so the reflex sight looks a little odd. I think it would look better if the rest of the model was a little different so it wouldnt feel like we're looking at a BR with a different scope, that way it would feel more like an entirely different weapon.

[ICEE]

opinion doesn't matter when the plain fact is that the battle rifle and reflex sight share similar angles and mixes of curvature and line, therefore sharing design language. you're entitled to have a wrong opinion, sure, just understand that you're wrong.

I used the wrong term. The design language may be fitting but I just don't think it matches the gun's overall shape and profile. Not trying to diss your model, penguin.

[paintballakid5]

awesome model Penguin! keep it up :D

+REP!

[wydra91]

Hmm... the reflex sight is an awesome idea, but if I were you, I would "futurize it." I guess what I mean by that is that it looks too... COD4-ish if you know what I mean, like it's an ancient piece of equipment on a futuristic gun. Maybe sleeken it up a bit, lower it closer to the guns rail, and elongate it and then you would have my 110% backing on it...

In other words... Make it look like it was MEANT to go with the BR. Remember, you aren't limited to looking realistic to modern day tech, you could cram the red dot emitter in a microscopic housing for all we care. =P

[Hunter]

:( Now mine looks like a pile of shit... :'(

But you are an expert. Could I see a wireframe of your grip?

[SgtBotley]

delicious.

i think the reflex scope is nice on it aswell.. maybe if you 'butched' it up a little, made it look more UNSC chunky it'd fit in nicely... maybe a different style of fire would compliment it nicely.

wrong opinion on whether it fits the weapon design... wtf, its going in a game. Its not Penguins designing it to be built for the almighty army in which everyone bums their weapons too much and seem to forget that this is a science fiction game, then i'd understand its need for anal detail.

+ rep.

[Apoc4lypse]

I would love to actually try to use the BR with the reflex sight.

I agree with this might be neat, as for the model I have no complaints, anything that needs to be fixed tbh I don't think is important. (course I'm not looking at a br right now just going off memory). Looks amazing to me :)



opinion doesn't matter when the plain fact is that the battle rifle and reflex sight share similar angles and mixes of curvature and line, therefore sharing design language. you're entitled to have a wrong opinion, sure, just understand that you're wrong.

I'd + rep you if I could for explaining that, yeah... there is pretty much no arguing on this point, the design styles of the reflex sight and the gun ARE almost the same, so it works nice.

[paintballakid5]

2 hours of work

4,500 tris with scope (scope's a little small but will fix later)
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9153/battleriflescoperb3.jpg

just because i can (+10 minutes for reflex sight)

3,700 tris with reflex sight.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3480/battleriflereflexsightlr6.jpg


Maybe more shit to add if I get bored (like the safety >_<).

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/paintballakid5/39.gif

[343guiltymc]

No Eotech? :(

[Masterz1337]

I'm loving it.

[Amit]

opinion doesn't matter when the plain fact is that the battle rifle and reflex sight share similar angles and mixes of curvature and line, therefore sharing design language. you're entitled to have a wrong opinion, sure, just understand that you're wrong.

I'm sure you knew what Iron Clad meant in the first place. And even though you said he was totally wrong you could have added your explanation at the same time. But this is the way you are and nobody's gonna change that and I guess that's why we allow it.

[SnaFuBAR]

I would assume that when someone goes throwing specific terminology around, they would know what it means. It's not a term up for debate or multiple meanings, it has a specific definition. But hey, that's how people are, and I can't change it.

[ICEE]

Is it honestly a big deal? If it will brighten your day I'll go back and edit my post snaf.

[SnaFuBAR]

no no, it's no big deal. he made a pointless quip and i replied. it's nothing to do with you anymore. you and i are past that.

[Amit]

I would assume that when someone goes throwing specific terminology around, they would know what it means. It's not a term up for debate or multiple meanings, it has a specific definition. But hey, that's how people are, and I can't change it.

Somehow I knew you'd say that.

[Con]

I was wondering this morning what the BR would look like with a different scope...very cool :)

[SnaFuBAR]

GOOD FOR YOU

E: lol, that was meant for Amit. wtg ballscars!

[Heathen]

How is this BR related? Maybe I am misunderstanding the title? :D

E: Snaf and Cons above me posted while I was typing this :(

[Amit]

Don't worry Snaf, I understand what you're saying.

[Hunter]

Does the Halo 3 Battle Rifle have hat part under the scope where you have some extruded recatangels? ==>

-_-_-_-_-_-_

[SnaFuBAR]

no. it's CUSTOM.

[p0lar_bear]

Does the Halo 3 Battle Rifle have hat part under the scope where you have some extruded recatangels? ==>

-_-_-_-_-_-_

Does it matter? It looks like a reimagination of the BR55 to me, it doesn't have to follow Bungie's design down to a T.

The key word is creativity. Look at any gun that's made it into civilian hands, the first one that came to my mind is the Colt 1911. It's like the Honda Civic of the gun world. :v:

[Hunter]

It doesnt matter, and it does look good, but the title is: "Ur doing it rong (Battle Rifle)".

So that means he is doing it wrong as he has changed the design about to make it look better.

It looks good, I'm not complaining. Im just saying...

[kid908]

It doesnt matter, and it does look good, but the title is: "Ur doing it rong (Battle Rifle)".

So that means he is doing it wrong as he has changed the design about to make it look better.

It looks good, I'm not complaining. Im just saying...

he's telling other ppl that they're doing it wrong.

[Reaper Man]

Does the Halo 3 Battle Rifle have hat part under the scope where you have some extruded recatangels? ==>

-_-_-_-_-_-_
I believe they're called picatinny rails.

[PenGuin1362]

I believe they're called picatinny rails.

You believe correct. No gun is complete without them :eng101:

[Masterz1337]

he's telling other ppl that they're doing it wrong.
As in you TSLHunter.

[Geo]

I like TSLHunters model. Its pretty decent. I just like Penguins more. :D

[Hunter]

You use maya PenGuin?

[SnaFuBAR]

he uses max

[Patrickssj6]

he uses fish

[Tweek]

he never made a 3d model.
he made those images pixel for pixel in Paint.

[ODX]

he never made a 3d model.
he made those images pixel for pixel in Paint.
Rofl, paint. That would take a long time, he must be pretty talented or had nothing better to do. [/sarcasm]

[PenGuin1362]

Rofl, paint. That would take a long time, he must be pretty talented or had nothing better to do. [/sarcasm]

are you questioning my paint skillz?

[Random]

are you questioning my paint skillz?

I think he is :mad:

[Syuusuke]

Looks photoshopped.

[t3h m00kz]

I like TSLHunters model. Its pretty decent. I just like Penguins more. :D

May just be me but I hardly notice any difference at all.

I mean, honestly?
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/BR_10.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9153/battleriflescoperb3.jpg

They both look like battle rifles. If I had either of those models in FP, I would not complain. At all.

[SnaFuBAR]

peng's outranks hunter's by a long shot.

[Sel]

Very true, but I agree with mook, I wouldnt care if I saw either ingame, theyre both nice.

[kid908]

May just be me but I hardly notice any difference at all.

I mean, honestly?
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/BR_10.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9153/battleriflescoperb3.jpg

They both look like battle rifles. If I had either of those models in FP, I would not complain. At all.

i wouldn't complain but are u blind!?!?!? there're major diff in them =P do you guys start with a high res (several 100,000 tri's and make a low res off that and use the high res to make bump :p) both looks quite nice but penguin looks like it has more tri's.

[ICEE]

Penguins has so many more details

[Heathen]

Penguins have so many more details
ftfy :D

Srsly tho....tbh I like that someone is trying to mix up the monotony a bit. I say a complete modernization of all the UNSC weapons, while keeping them halo esque.

[jngrow]

ftfy :D

No, he wasn't talking about penguins, he was talking about Penguin's model. The model has more details.

But I tend to agree with Muki, both of them would look pretty good in-game.
It doesn't really matter. Besides, regular Halo weapons be getting BORING.

[Lightning]

No, he wasn't talking about penguins, he was talking about Penguin's model. The model has more details.

You do realize that was a joke..



...right?

[t3h m00kz]

You do realize that was a joke..



...right?

... shit, that went right over MY head.
Then again that's not saying much, GODDAM D:

[jngrow]

You do realize that was a joke..



...right?
Oh. The joke was weird, didn't really pick up on it. My bad.

[Hunter]

peng's outranks hunter's by a long shot.

What do you expect. Hes the pro!

[Tweek]

or you're just stupid.

[t3h m00kz]

A level 50 in the Major League Modeling playlist, amirite? ;P

[Monopoly]

You believe correct. No gun is complete without them :eng101:

What about flamethrowers :cool:

[Hotrod]

Both of them are nice, and there's stuff that I like and dislike on both of them. I wouldn't mind having either one of them ingame, since they both look good to me.

[ICEE]

What about flamethrowers :cool:


I think thats not really a gun since flamethrowers are (supposedly) primarily used to clear away forestation

[Pooky]

What about flamethrowers :cool:
A flamethrower's not a gun... it's a flamethrower.

[Heathen]

it doesen't shoot. It throws.....flames.

[Darkness]

Flame throwers use napalm to throw flames. ( for idiots napalm is the sticky oily stuff that causes flames to stick to people and burn)

[MNC]

I don't think the BR scope has the eye shape in front.

[Reaper Man]

I don't think the BR scope has the eye shape in front.
Read thread, tis a custom BR.

[Heathen]

Napalm can be made from gasoline and detergent.

[Inferno]

I like both scopes and id love to see this ingame. (with good animations of course)

And a flamethrower is not a gun. Its a heavy support weapon.

[ICEE]

I like both scopes and id love to see this ingame. (with good animations of course)

And a flamethrower is not a gun. Its a heavy support weapon.


Your right, and I would volunteer to do those animations if penguin doesn't

[PenGuin1362]

hurr updates.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2509/battlerifleflipsightsh7.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5163/battleriflerailgripvx1.jpg

going more towards modernization of the battle rifle, rather then futureization of current equipment. Also, just needs a silencer and grenade launcher and it's ready for COD 4 : D

[teh lag]

awesome

YES

[Darkness]

going more towards modernization of the battle rifle, rather then futureization of current equipment. Also, just needs a silencer and grenade launcher and it's ready for COD 4 : D

Don't forget the laser pointer and/or flashlight. Also freaken awesome, but intresting choice of the mp5/hk ironsight design

[Sunray]

Both great, but especially the second one. Absolutely awesome. I love the grip on the second one. Seems to fit somehow. Are you just going to get it into COD4? Or are you going to get it into Halo as well?

[MetKiller Joe]

hurr updates.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2509/battlerifleflipsightsh7.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5163/battleriflerailgripvx1.jpg

going more towards modernization of the battle rifle, rather then futureization of current equipment. Also, just needs a silencer and grenade launcher and it's ready for COD 4 : D

[Unreal Tournament 2004 Announcer Voice]Godlike![/Unreal Tournament 2004 Announcer Voice]

Please tell me you are putting this in-game?

[PenGuin1362]

Both great, but especially the second one. Absolutely awesome. I love the grip on the second one. Seems to fit somehow. Are you just going to get it into COD4? Or are you going to get it into Halo as well?

Halo too.

[Roostervier]

Wow, those are fucking awesome! :o

[ima_from_America]

do want RIS.

[Pooky]

Halo too.

It's going into cod 4?

[Tweek]

[Unreal Tournament 2004 Announcer Voice]Godlike![/Unreal Tournament 2004 Announcer Voice]

Please tell me you are putting this in-game?

for god sakes man, stop fucking quoting images.

[Syuusuke]

It's going into cod 4?

Wish it could replace a certain weapon in CS:S

Love,

Syuusuke

[SnaFuBAR]

4 kreig, plz!

[ICEE]

Whoah love the latest update. Fold able iron sights never fail. Ever.

[Sel]

Penguin, I think I love you :3

[p0lar_bear]

In situations like this, I always wonder if real weapons designers have tried weapon designs from video games to see if they'd be practical (given that said weapons are possible to make with existing techs).

That said, I wonder if the BR55 could be built and usable.

[MetKiller Joe]

Wouldn't take much work in AutoCAD to nudge all of the circuitry and parts. Still, the military has techs working this kind of thing. If they thought it more efficient, I'm sure they would be building it.

[PenGuin1362]

In situations like this, I always wonder if real weapons designers have tried weapon designs from video games to see if they'd be practical (given that said weapons are possible to make with existing techs).

That said, I wonder if the BR55 could be built and usable.

There's no doubt it could be, it's basically the size of the famas. The size may vary somewhat and there's no way you could fit 36 rounds in the magazine, and it would have to be 9mm rounds. Unless of course it uses caseless ammo in which case it would have to be a bit longer in order to store the propellant. Well, maybe it could fit 36 rounds if they were rotated but that may complicate the feeding mechanism, again resulting in a size increase. it would be very easy to make if it uses a classic 30 round magazine like the AUG (renders to see what that would look like). It would be very interesting to see one made. Tbh, IMI Tavor looks cooler :p

[TVTyrant]

It could be done. The ammo counter could work off of a rough weight of the magazine, aka doesn't read changes in bullet size, only overall size. Anything over 8mm though is pretty useless on a modern battlefield though. You really don't need that much punch. 7.62 or 7.92 would be better. And I agree that you probably couldn't fit a 36 round magazine in that thing. 30 maybe?

[SnaFuBAR]

an ammo counter wouldn't read the magazine weight. it would read how many rounds have been fed.

[TVTyrant]

Not all the rounds are fed at once. The problem is how its going to read the number of rounds in the magazine. You could put a reading chip in the cases I guess, but that would be very complicated. You would have to weigh the magazine in order to tell how many rounds are in there, especially since we're running a 2-3 tier magazine that you wouldn't be able to use the old "hole in the magazine" exposed brass trick. It would be very complicated.

EDIT:
It wouldn't read the wight off. It would transfer the wight into number of rounds by knowing how many grains/grams per cartridge and hyow much the magazine would weigh and then the conversion to singular bullets. Say the magazine wighs 300gr, and each round weighs 100gr, then a loaded magazine of 30 would weigh 3300gr, and the reader would read 30 based off of the weight of the magazine.

[SnaFuBAR]

you can't weigh something that's clipped in and fastened against gravity.

[p0lar_bear]

You could attempt running a low-voltage, low-amp current through the magazine (think AA battery) with contacts where each bullet rests. It shoots the current through each bullet until it reaches a break. The computer uses this to count how many shots are in a magazine when it is loaded, and then it subtracts one with each discharge.

[PenGuin1362]

....Or we do this the easy way and put sensors in the magazine >_>....

[itszutak]

you can't weigh something that's clipped in and fastened against gravity.
Making a built-in sensor in the clip, which would increase the cost per clip a ton, would work.

Diagram:

--------{-
| ......}|
|.......{|
|\sensor/|
----------

where the "."s are the bullets, the { and } are wires, the top one being a connector to circutry within the gun, and the \sensor/ being some sort of scale calibrated for each bullet, and self-contained and insulated within the system.
Hmm. Definitely not cost-effective.
Hey, in the future, anything's possible. I guess.:eyesroll:

EDIT: damn it penguin

[TVTyrant]

Technically though we're talking about modern day, and you also have to remember that sensors that are that small are not particularly rugged. AKA, I get knocked down, the sensors are going to break from the impact of thee fall. I like the current idea the best. That seems really sensible sense it built into the rifle and not the magazine, thus its protected by Titanium and polymer, not aluminum or plastic.

[SnaFuBAR]

guns aren't made out of titanium.

[TVTyrant]

The majority of the ones in development have base components of polymer, and instead of aluminum they are looking towards titanium because it flexes recoil out.