Election 08'

[Anton]

OK, so The U.S. Presidential elections are right at the doorsteps and voters are looking into their options. And to be honest, I don't like a single candidate on either side. :mad:

So what are your choices and opinions?

(Health care, Economic improvements, etc)

[Bodzilla]

Obama.

America really needs to distance it self from Bush's image.
Obama is the right man for the job.

[Assault&Battery]

Obama.

America really needs to distance it self from Bush's image.
Obama is the right man for the job.
.

[SnaFuBAR]

I think that the US could really benefit from the outlook of a man of different ethnicity. For too long, this country has been run by old white men with white values. I think that Obama is cultured enough to represent the outlook of the majority of America and is educated enough to see through good decisions an planning for the future of this nation. I really hope he can do it.

[jcap]

Over the past few days I've been enraged with this subject, mainly due to the absurd new level of stupidity Digg has fallen to. Right now, I'm essentially on neutral ground between both parties. Though I am slightly more republican than democratic, neither side has pleased me so far. With that said, I am absolutely infuriated with how people can't see the full picture here.

Obama is quite honestly the last pick for a candidate I would consider. He is charming, but it ends there. So far, all he has been doing is campaigning on hope, not touching any of the real issues he is going to face in the upcoming election and as president. He has absolutely ZERO experience, especially in foreign affairs. Everyone who is rooting him on is backing him with hope of change and not letting the past repeat itself, but wouldn't we just be repeating the same mistake the country made with Carter? Hillary is probably stronger than Obama, and it is illustrated by the amount she has been picked on and yet she still hangs in there. If I had to choose between Obama and Hillary, I would honestly pick Hillary because of her background and her strengths in experience. Sorry, but I don't think Obama is the right man for the job.

Really, what absolutely dumbfounds me is how everyone is just falling suit to the entire Obama bandwagon. People cheer that he has the media backing and supporting him so he MUST be the better candidate. Are you all blind? Do you not remember who has been feeding what you have been calling "lies" over the past 8 years? The media coverage is nothing but a setup so Obama, the weaker candidate, does get the nomination, and then they'll let McCain and his army run all over him. There is so much they are holding back for the final stretch to just leash out against him, it's ridiculous.

Even though I said I think Hillary would do a better job than Obama, I'm really not for one candidate over another. I'm saying how if you actually want change, then you need to look at the full picture here to how it would have to be achieved. Even if Obama wins the nomination, you have to now consider the 50% of the democrats who were hoping Hillary would get the nomination. The majority of those voters are middle-class white men between 30 and 50 who want the person they vote for to win. It's believed that if Obama wins the nomination, the Hillary voters are more likely to vote for the opposite party than to vote for Obama, as opposed to Obama voters who would just vote for Hillary.

[Mass]

OBAMA
"He does a damn good job of representing me," says the Chicago democrat.
My beliefs on my current number one issue, and its policy tributaries:

Economy:

-National Health Care
Hardly an odd thing to put here, it means producing items in the U.S. can be cheaper and can bring back industry. It can help the poor rise beyond basic human needs towards real social progress.

-Tax hikes
Sorry folks, but the government's got a lot of shit to fix, and you buying outsourced products with that money isn't helping at all.

-Public Works Projects/Research Funding
Bring back the New Deal, unemployment is high and we need to mobilize the work-force. I hear theres this place called New Orleans that needs rebuilding. I hear we can cut oil consumption and environmental damage with better public transportation systems. I hear alternative energy doesn't invent and build itself. And of course, where does the money for this come from:

-End the War in Iraq
My highest priority, but not so much as far as fixing the economy. Cut the defense budget, stop blowing cash on a war we can't win.

-Corporate Regulations
This includes regulating environmental damage and waste output, as well as levels of outsourcing. I say high taxes on foriegn goods.

-Undocumented Immigration
Amnesty and citizenship for all English reading/writing, societal contribution capable immigrants, and don't waste our money on building an inneffective wall that just ends up killing people.

-"family values issues"
seriously, leave this fucking alone while we dig ourselves out of a trench of republican failure.

Probably left* some out but you already see where I am.
*yeah, there.

EDIT:
What foreign policy experience would you actually be sighting Hillary as having beyond Obama's?

[ExAm]

Obama

[Tweek]

obama's just going to get shot.
because that's how things work.

happened here to pim fortuyn as well.
dude was on his way to being prime minister of the netherlands.

plus, we all know, history repeats itself.
no exceptions.

[rossmum]

EDIT:
What foreign policy experience would you actually be sighting Hillary as having beyond Obama's?
Well she got shot at by a sniper in Bosnia once

:downs:

[SnaFuBAR]

hahah yeh vote hillary, she's good at make-believe.

[Patrickssj6]

If it comes down to Obama versus McCain, America is going to make the same mistake again and vote for McCain.

[Timo]

Obama, although I haven't looked into it at all. But what about the New Zealand 2008 Elections?Who will you vote for?

[Bodzilla]

Timo.

He has a headbanging Pineapple.
He's the right man for the job.
Hail Timo
\m/

[nooBBooze]

America really needs to distance it self from Bush's image.
Obama is the right man for the job.
meh while i'd still vote for him i think he'll just be a different/nicer face buttraping the world just like George did. :/

Obama, although I haven't looked into it at all. But what about the New Zealand 2008 Elections?Who will you vote for?
i'd vote for that one guy with the kiwis.
or crocodile hunter. R.I.P. :_(

If it comes down to Obama versus McCain, America is going to make the same mistake again and vote for McCain.
If it does, it doesn't deserve any better. Twas The same in italy. everyone knew Berlusoni is a hypocrite, arrogant and corrupt asshole but he is the elected PM yet again. for the thrid time. why? because those stupid italians don't want any better and hence don't deserve any better. its :awsum:

[cls]

I'd be voting for Obama only because a Democratic President would make college affordable for me again, Hillary is too femeinst for my tastes.Although with Bill in the White house again would be great for shits and giggles.

As for McCain, he's sabotaged his own campaign enough. Joe Libermann has to correct him each time McCain says something stupid when their together.

I should really fill out the paper work to change parties.

[paladin]

McCain. Id probably never vote for a democrat, though I liked Bill Clinton. As for his wife... Im not even going to go there.

I think its funny how everybody thinks Republicans are bad just because Bush fucked up a lot of things. Way to stereotype libies.

[SnaFuBAR]

not just bush. lol.

[paladin]

Your an exception, you are older and probably have a better political background than 90% of this forum. I could list just as many bad democratic presidents as republican.

[Rob Oplawar]

No. Politics does not belong on a forum of this type. I refuse to have any part of this.

Is "politics" plural?

[paladin]

I agree, when the average cant even vote, why bother?

[cls]

Ever since 2004 Politics has been a farce, so I find it a good idea to treat elections as such. That's how it looks to me while watching MSNBC.

[Bodzilla]

Ever since 2004 Beginning of time Politics has been a farce, so I find it a good idea to treat elections as such. That's how it looks to me while watching MSNBC.
ftfy

personal agenda's, belief's, money and power will always ruin the chance of there ever being a truly great politic.

[nooBBooze]

Thats why i'd be in favour of a state reigned by a gaint computer monarch.

- no pockets to hide stolen money in it
- no friends to steal and share money with
- no personal beliefs other than some basic ethics routines plus machine-vodoo
- no penis

:)

[Rob Oplawar]

boring speech:Well, seeing as I'm the type to program a giant computer monarch, you'd basically be at the mercy of someone like me. You don't want to know the kind of backdoors and secret commands and control I'd give myself. I can concieve of all manner of safeguards they'd put in place to avoid that, and I can think of even more ways to get around it. In the end, you'd have the same basic situation. One guy or a small group of people holding most of the power. Not to mention the massive potential for an error in the program having unforeseen repercussions.
tl;dr: watch I, Robot.

[nooBBooze]

PLAN A:
-babies shall be isolated from society and raised to be programmers. a few dozen teams shall work independantly on their versions of the computer monarch and for each team working on it, there shall be two independant nerdbaby teams surveilling their work at gunpoint. after the safest version has been determined, all the nerdbabies involved shall be killed and the records of their work deleted and yet a new generation of nerdbabies shall supervise the first betatest in the same way the first generation did developing the GCM.
After a few generations of betatesting it on an isolated society, the monarch can pick up his work.
-also, there shall be a gaint computerized scale that-if activated by <30% of the population shall activate the failsafe atodestruct/sleepmode of the GCM

PLAN B:
-construct AI
-survive AI revolution
-survive war against AI
-live some 1000 years at peace with them
-have them construct a GCM

PLAN C:
-kill 3/4 of earths population = more space, less naggers to satisfy
-sort out our differences
-live in peace, prosperity and justice. <--
-build robot hitler. |
-have robot hitler build GCM to secure this state |
-kill robot hitler

tl;dr:
well played, sir, but I play weller

[Tweek]

i vote plan C

[ExAm]

i vote plan CCommunism?

[sdavis117]

I think plan A would work.

Spartan Nerds.

This is Sparta.gov!!!

[Kalub]

Well since we are looking it in the face I say, anarchy.


Here, here?

[Rob Oplawar]

touché, nooBBooze, touché