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I call your mom the stork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
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Why would it need sights when its aimed via cockpit?
Why would it need a hatch when its aimed via cockpit?
Optics on the barrel would make sense, and your little details do look nice.
It needs vents :V
Because it would take 2 marines to man the turret normally. :eng101:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
Yah because if your in the driver seat of the scorpion, all you see is a blank wall of metal. How are you supposed to know where your aiming?
1. Those optics next to the cockpit only point forward, and your targets are not always ahead of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
2. It's a hatch you use to get to the main gun and the machine gun, not a hatch for a person. :d
But why would you need to get to them when its manned via cockpit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boba
And I know that, thats why I said that the sights were unnecessary but that the barrel optics would make sense.
Why would you need sights when it would probably be on a display screen with a hud.
To add something to break up the surface?
I thought it was enough of a reason...
Who gives a fuck? Oh I know, not Bungie, so why should you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boba
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama Juice
chatting with boba about his and masterz's argument:
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roboplawar (8:21:09 PM): he has a point, but it's poorly phrased
roboplawar (8:21:50 PM): I would have said "Bungie chose to stylize their game instead of being anal over every little detail being accurate"
BobaTheFett76 (8:22:15 PM): atleast they tried to make things make sense
BobaTheFett76 (8:22:17 PM): :X
roboplawar (8:22:23 PM): well
roboplawar (8:22:29 PM): you ought to look closer sometime
roboplawar (8:22:37 PM): a whole lot of shit doesn't make any sense
BobaTheFett76 (8:22:48 PM): yeah i know
BobaTheFett76 (8:22:54 PM): but you should where you can
BobaTheFett76 (8:22:54 PM): :d
roboplawar (8:23:03 PM): yeah, you both have a valid point
roboplawar (8:23:22 PM): and i think in the end it boils down to the individual artist's style
Who cares whether Bungie gives a fuck or not. The very fact that you don't approve of Boba's ideas is enough alone for me to approve of them. However, his ideas are awesome, so I'd approve anyway. I say we stick with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
HAHA! I'll let you figure out what's so funny.
Even if you were completely sarcastic, I don't see what the point of your post was. Reaffirming that Boba has great ideas?
Boba is AGAINST the Optics. You know, the same optics that I (as well as you) am for?
He isn't against them, all he said was that the optics on the main chassis of the tank only pointed forward. He suggested that optics on the tank's turret should also be added.
I'm pretty sure if you look into the cockpit there's a monitor. They must have some way of getting a visual - in which case if the 'normal' driver seat of the scorpion is for driving, the optics by the driver would make sense. If a second marine is fully enclosed in the turret, then barrel mounted optics makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
There appears to be a conflict of interests here - on one side there the argument of making the tank seem functional as a realistic vehicle (like what was said about the railings at the rear having no real reason for being there) and on the other hand is the argument that it has to be an attractive looking vehicle. Personally I think either way looks good, as long as it looks like a scorpion and isn't too outrageous in visual design, then I'm happy with it. Either way it already looks like a beautiful model and I have no personal complaints with the appearance of it.
I read somewhere it was originally called the 'UNSC Shield Ship' by Bungie before it was scrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
Also officially, in Halo Wars the ships that dock at UNSC supply pads are Albatrosses. So therefore the ships on Relic and Sandtrap is a part of the vehicle (might have been jettisoned from the main vehicle for whatever reason) or they're newer models than the ones seen in Halo Wars.
Uh, maintenance, repairs etc. Read Boba's post again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
Sights = linked to Spartan's HUD.
Because I care, because i'm the art director for this mod, and because it works no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
Shit masters, looks like you made another enemy. (or at least, you made another enemy publicly state it)Quote:
Originally Posted by flyinrooster
I seriously don't know why you idiots are throwing a huge shitfight about how stupid it is to have optics or not. To the people who say "optics are stupid" heres the problem. IF THE GUN IS POINTED IN REVERSE, YOU CANT SEE SHIT WITHOUT TURRET MOUNTED OPTICS. In addition, you shouldn't bring up any arguments like the following: WHO CARES ITS JUST A GAME IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE THERE" Guess what guys, its called attention to detail, and its ESPECIALLY important in science-fiction to fortify the "impossibles" with "possibles" to help our suspension of disbelief.
I keep this topic around and let people post, add their own work, and comment, because i trust that you people will offer helpful advice to one another. Why should i keep the topic open if instead advice we get dickweeds in here who feel they need to clutter?
Let me state that once more. I keep this topic open so i can refine the mod via public advice. This works. It works so well, a modeller (BobTheGreat) helped me out greatly by modelling key scenery, even the friggin scorpion to my ideas, and then was aided by the rest of the public (IE Boba) by offering ideas. And then, masters and apparently rob say that its silly that we should try and help eachother out and then proceed to work in reverse.
What is wrong here?
Bob, i would listen to boba, because he knows what he's saying. (most of the time ;) )
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
What the fuck are you babbling about?
From the corner of my eye your avi looks liek a gundam and I keep thinking you are teek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
It's just the forum black sheep (Selentic).
Will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Waffle
On another note:
This got way the hell out of control. It's very true that if the turret is pointed backwards, it wouldn't help to have front optics. I won't lie, the optics where the second hatch are there for looks. Those are possibly the only thing on the model that I couldn't explain why they are there.
Also, in case you guys hadn't ever noticed. There are optics on the turret already.
So all of these pointless arguments of Bungie thinking things through have been just that. Pointless. Every single one of you arguing have been daft to the fact that the Scorpion has always had optics on it's turret, since the very first Halo.
So everybody chill, please.
I find the lack of common sense disturbing...
Personally, I like the way the tank looks right now. If I had to change anything, I would first have the bulge in the middle of the barrel made a little bit larger all around. The next thing I'd to is give the tank some kind of muzzle break, because I've never seen a modern tank without one. After that, there isn't much else to do without making it very un-Halo.
Crap, i forgot to say something about the muzzle break, good save Warsaw.
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3...tenightph9.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Bad Waffle
My last update for the night.
I like it, I like it a lot.
I like it all, except for the weird spring-looking thing around the barrel connector. Looks bulky and...rectangular, heh.
Looks like a bellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Waffle
...save this particular iteration of the model, and make a gag version were every time you fire the cannon, you hear an accordion. :v:
Actually, I never did notice. O_oQuote:
Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII
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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
I agree with this gag version. I actually have "gag" versions of other things, har-har har
But that part doesn't collapse. I was just modeling what Boba had pointed out. But fine, whatever, I can take it out.
That looks amazing. I only hope it gets a texture that complements it :D
I hope it gets a texture. :v:Quote:
Originally Posted by itszutak
Knowing some textures I've seen, I'd rather it have no texture at all than some shit one that hides all the detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII
Hopefully this'll go into good hands. :v:
Now just add the chaingun and it'll be perfect. Maybe also make the main cannon barrel a bit longer, just to give it a more interesting silouete(SP?).
That tank is fucking beautiful, I love it more than any other Scorpion I've seen, even Halo 3's.
Agreed.
Nice tank.
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Originally Posted by Masterz1337
The chaingun is already there. The barrel length should stay the same. If it's longer, it would be easier to make a tank "ramp" to get say a flag carrier into a spot he shouldn't be. I've done it before, man.
Extend the model, don't extend the collision geometry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Waffle
Unless you're looking to have collision data be 100% accurate.
I don't want to run into the same "wtfs" i got when i tried ramping in halo 2 for the first time because they removed the geom. And its still handy to have the collision geometry in the turret in case you cant swing the tank body around fast enough to cream somebody.
I remember using the tank turret to get in the trees Halo xbox with a sniper. Good times.
Also bob, if you ever compile more things for HRH, here's how the hierarchy works for the tags. We have a base folder in the tags folder called "HRH" in which we have all the tags. It looks like this.
HRH
-Vehicles
--Scorpion
--Warthog
--Ghost
--etc etc
-Scenery
--human_city
---(all of your recent scenery)
-Characters
--cyborg
-Item Collections
--single
--powerups
-Weapons
--shotgun
--assault_rifle
--sniper_rifle
--etc etc
etc etc etc
So if you were to compile the scorpion, the files would go into (Data/hrh/vehicles/scorpion) for compilation.
Oh alright... I was just putting stuff in:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Waffle
data/highreshalo/vehicles/scorpion...
So it will just take the renaming of a folder and some stuff within gorilla.
aye, that it will
That looks great man! I never even noticed those optics! 0_o Sorry about the shitfest over the optics, I wouldn't have even suggested them had I noticed those. I honestly think those are much cooler than my idea, man. I really liked how it turned out! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII
You've got to feel around in the dark before you find the light switch! :pQuote:
Bob, i would listen to boba, because he knows what he's saying. (most of the time ;) )
I was merely thinking of what would be artisticly better. Although I don't really see how bad it could be, If someone can co-ordinate well enough to use the tank to boost the player I don't see how big a problem it could actually be. Plus when was the last time you saw someone play CTF with tanks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Waffle
He's going to have to have colli models even lower poly then H1 Colli models if he's going to want to squeeze in all the high res content. Bad Waffle, do you plan to make LODs for any of this content?Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
Thats all I have to say.
Also I don't see the chaingun. If it's the 2 bars next to the optics, then I think you guys could most certainly do a lot betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Bad Waffle
I'd rather that rounded rectangle shape on the end of the barrel it used to have :[
I'll listen to what you think about the art when you can come in this topic without saying things like this. i think thats pretty fair, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
We're using original coll models for whatever we can. And of course...it would be silly to think we're not going to LOD all of this. There's no way i would release such a graphics intense mod without optimizing everything i could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
Eh. If you can suggest something better, please do. I like it how it is, because if you throw anything larger on there (or worse, a rotating barrel assembly) it would look pretty retarded and out of place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
Lol, the accordion thing is already gone... been gone all day. No updates until I get this thing working correctly in game though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentWindPL
Thats all I have to say.
Kay. <3
Well, it's in game and drivable. The only problems I'm really having are the hatch not closing all the way, and my treads are stuck in silly directions for some reason. If somebody could tell me how many frames are in the Scorpion's Pitch and Suspension animations, it would be greatly apreciated. Also if you could tell me what positions everything should be in. :embarrassed:
But if not, I guess I'll work on it on my own.
Hidden vehicle that only comes up when you set the vehicle count up the right way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Waffle
Like z-team's heretic banshee?
Ugh, school needs to get out so I can go home and get back to work on my scorpion.
Am I obsessed? Maybe :rolleyes:
Why... hello there old friend...
Finished this up today, all animations work, has suspension, hatch closes, turret turns, all that good stuff.
Sex right there that is.
And then I got a boner :(
i jizzed and shat bricks.
I jizzed bricks.
Someones going to have sooooome fun texturing that... :awesome:
I had absolutely no sexual stimulation and gained no super-human ability to ejaculate or defecate construction materials upon seeing that picture.
Said image is fucking awesome, though.
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
oh why hello there, sexy
My pants are dry, but that looks great.
You guys better give that some beastly sounds and handling. :-3
From what I was told, nothing having to do with speed and handling will change in the mod. The goal is to keep it as traditional as possible, but making everything look better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boba
I would suggest a different firing sound and maybe a sound effect that plays while the next round is being chambered.
I think the stock engine is fine tbqh.
And when you get in it, it should say "Thank you for activating the M808E main battle tank, You may call me Sheila"
That's a dumb idea.
Red vs Blue...
yea, the firing needs some 'oomph' and i like the chambering sound idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0lar_bear
still would be lame if it happened every time you got in. I could probably pull a little easter egg and put the sound clip in there, and give it a 1/1000th chance of playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
put that into your prank tank.
Shitty AI and accordion recoil ftfw :v:
How about more of a 1/20 chance, so we can actually enjoy it.
Awesome tank is awesome. Maybe when it's skinned I too may join in the ecstasy. :awesome:
Also, I agree with better sounds...actually, I can think of quite a few things in Halo that are in need of some audio makeovers, the Assault Rifle, Ghost, and tank being at the top of my list.
I agree with the whole 1/20 chance of playing thing...
Or, we could solve the whole annoying thing by having different voices say different lines, like:
"Welcome to the M808E main battle tank. You may call me Roger."
"Congratulations on activating the M808E main battle tank! You may call me Will!"
"Thank you for activating the M808E main battle tank. My name is Garry."
"Thank you for activating the M808E ultimate death machine. You may call me Michael"
"Thanks for activating the M808E main battle tank. This is your pilot Scotty speaking."
"Thank you for activating the SKYNET Enterprises M808E main battle tank. Take me to Sarah O'Connor." J/k, J/k
Etc, etc...
Or not. I think it would be cool.
No, just no. Annoying voices are annoying. Period.
Alright, I'm cool with that.
Trust me, that wasn't just aimed at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dark Side
I'm down with random audio permutation with a 1/100 chance on the tank. It's not like you get in the tank to often. Unless your a noob.
Heh... Heh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
Oh, OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
That Scorpion is :omfg:
How about no gimmicks. Let the map be appreciated for what it is, rather than have it be played only by new-age retarded halofags because OGMZ DERES AN EASTHURR EGG IN IT HURF DURF.
I think the only map that ever retained its gameplay appeal while having some gimmick or easter egg in it was Yoyorast.
Rated disagree, Polar. Only thing I ever saw on yoyorast was people fighting over the atv.
Which was terrible anyway.
But yeah, I figure a little easter egg like this won't hurt.
I suppose it will come down to WoL's decision.
while I think it is lol, I think it is useless.
If it NEEDS to be in, I like the 1/1000 idea.
How many times have you actually played yoyo? :raise:Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
i played it enough on release, and after, i don't care for the map.
*gasp*Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
I think ill have three or four different "tank voices" with a .005 chance of playing, because shit like that makes me giggle.
!!!!!!!!!!!!1337 12 year old's HRH-NMC SERVER~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*Kids repeatedly entering and exiting tanks*
Hey guyz da tank inn't tawkking
Wol: fuck my life this was a waste of time
Your dick needs to be at least this large to activate the tank.
Cool tank.
Videos :aaaaa:Quote:
Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII
yes, we need video(s)
I would be glad to get a video up today if i can. Not much to show off because it's just the model, nothing real fancy (no textures, shaders), maybe I could throw some AI in and blow them up. We'll just have to see.
I know plenty of maps with easter eggs that still retain there game play. I don't know what your taaawking about.
Im thinking of fucking with all of your heads by saying im not going to have easter eggs, and then doing it anyway.
OR WILL I?
*brainexplode*
People are seriously crying about a 1/500 chance for a short audio clip to play when you enter a vehicle?
