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Originally Posted by Amit

So what do you guys think of the Haswell line up? I'm thinking about building another PC before the year is out. Maybe something a bit smaller in a mATX case, but with more performance than my current machine. I'm not sure about it yet, though. I'm still skeptical about going back to Intel when it comes to future upgrades considering there's a new socket for this generation of Core processors.

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As Warsaw said, if you already have a Sandy or Ivy system the Haswell chips aren't worth the upgrade. If you're building a new PC though, you might as well take advantage of the new tech.

Personally, I plan to build the most powerful gaming rig I can fit into a Mini ITX box later this year... Likely going into a BitFenix Prodigy or Silverstone FT03. LANBox for when I go to the various local LANs I plan to, and when I'm at home using my soon to be completed beast it'll be a Folding@Home rig. When friends come over they'll have a system to game on as well. I will likely be using a Haswell i7 for this rig (would of gone i5, but F@H benifits from the i7), in addition to a dual GPU card like the GTX 690 or HD 7990.

Anybody else see AMD's new 220W Piledriver parts? 4.8GHz base, 5.0GHz turbo...fucking nasty in both good and bad ways.

They've been rumored for many months now. Stupidly hot and hungry cpus for the enthusiast. :/

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Anybody else see AMD's new 220W Piledriver parts? 4.8GHz base, 5.0GHz turbo...fucking nasty in both good and bad ways.

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Can those even be cooled traditionally?
I mean, wouldn't AMD have to include vapor chamber sinks or something just to ensure they don't melt in default retail configuration?

I have no idea, but I hope nobody tries air cooling with that. Without a doubt, these will require certified motherboards to use. Seeing how scalar AMD's current architecture is, though, I'm excited to see the numbers.

I'd expect one of those all in one water coolers to come with the cpu, if any heatsink at all. Looking forward to whatever AMD puts out, and Intel's response.

Intel won't have to respond since their existing shit (Or Ivy Bridge-E) will perform better anyway. Not to mention that 5GHz is easily attainable on a delidded Haswell.

^ that was my understanding since Sandy Bridge.

As if Intel will ever launch Ivy-E ... lmao

They don't care about the enthusiast :(

Isn't it supposed to be on the next smaller process?