119th update

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Originally Posted by sevlag

better to have updates than none at all though

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*cough*Left4Dead1*cough*

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Originally Posted by English Mobster

*cough*Left4Dead1*cough*

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yeah, but its not like there is a pyro in L4D

Though the pyro update doesn't bother/effect me, if they wanted to raise the skill ceiling they need to do something about soldier to be honest.

After playing a bit more, I can REALLY see what happened to the Pyro.
I was a Scout and a Pyro ambushed me. We both had full health, and I took him out with my Scattergun in no time at all.
In the past, I would've lost that battle.
Now, when the fire stopped, I had just above half health.

What the hell?

robin said in an email that he wanted pyro to become a more skill-based class, so instead of running into people and hoping their health holds out, they need to learn to use the airblast effectively. This is good because pyro is gay.

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Originally Posted by Jelly

robin said in an email that he wanted pyro to become a more skill-based class, so instead of running into people and hoping their health holds out, they need to learn to use the airblast effectively. This is good because pyro is gay.

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I take it you didn't actually READ the thread, because we've already been over all of this. :\

to be honest I don't think theres a real "right" opinion here. You can't argue that the pyro is ineffective, even I, a pyro noob was able to get a 4-1 KDR with him. he's got unique skills that make him combat effective. I think ya'll pyro veterans will adapt. Whether or not you should have to adapt is something to bitch at valve about I guess.

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Originally Posted by English Mobster

After playing a bit more, I can REALLY see what happened to the Pyro.
I was a Scout and a Pyro ambushed me. We both had full health, and I took him out with my Scattergun in no time at all.
In the past, I would've lost that battle.
Now, when the fire stopped, I had just above half health.

What the hell?

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Scouts got buffed or some shit, they absolutely rape now too. No matter what I did as a soldier, shot them all the fucking time, they just shake it off and run up to me for a quick bullshit kill.

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Originally Posted by ODX

Scouts got buffed or some shit, they absolutely rape now too. No matter what I did as a soldier, shot them all the fucking time, they just shake it off and run up to me for a quick bullshit kill.

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then you aren't shooting at them hard enough... scouts still have 125 max HP and 110 with sandman

and the thing with scouts is you have to keep attacking them or they WILL come after your ass

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Originally Posted by Aerowyn

I'm detecting levels of troll from you.

You wouldn't like it if it was done to your most played class. Imagine if Valve decided to suddenly take away the Heavy's minigun, or the Soldier's rockets, or the Demo's stickies. That's what this is, essentially.

You may not like a specific class, but making it so that they're unbalanced against everyone else is completely unfair, and to some degree it can be considered game-breaking.

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i wouldnt go that far, i like the pyro and use him regulary, however he's just getting put back to what he was like months ago.
When the pyro first came out in TF2 he Raped, Hard.
so they nerfed him a bit, people still played him for ages, then the pyro update came out and they put him closer to how he originally was.
All they're doing is putting him closer to being how he was before the pyro update.

N00bs and good players alike will still rack up the danage and points with him, the afterburn is the biggest change and i dont agree with it personally.