thanks for all the help, sorry it took me so long to reply but I did end up fixing this... Turned out to be a combination of bad cliff shader and the placement of my sun . I'm pretty close to finishing up a beta version of this map and was wondering if anyone here could help me test it to see how it plays? I was gonna put up some new screens when I get home from work tonight, maybe you guys could give me some input on what I've got so far?