Dane, You May Be Right About Obama...

He's passing a law that enables him to search ANYONE'S hard drive for no reason, confiscating whatever they deem fit, and arresting ANYONE in possession of:

• Pirated Songs (even 1), Games, Software.
• Items which "compromise national security", which can mean ANYTHING.
• Things which would get you arrested normally, such as underage nudity.

I don't know if they would access computers remotely, I'm assuming they probably would.

Big Brother is about to start watching us all, I'm afraid. Makes for things like this (from a guy on Youtube, grammar altered to make it readable):

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Bob: "What are you in for?"
John: " I killed a guy, how about you?"
Bob: "Limewire."
John: "You're a bad man!"

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It's called a personal computer for a reason.

E: Damnit, that was Dane who had that Obama conspiracy site, not Snaf. Though I think Snaf had one, too.

E2: Thanks.

What the fuck? One step closer to "enter the -ism here" everyday!

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Originally Posted by ThePlague

What the fuck? One step closer to Communism everyday!

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That's the exact opposite of communism... Oh wait, you used a capital C, you must be referring to the policies of a dictatorial state like Soviet Russia or China. kk

The exact opposite is Fascism...

And I wouldn't call it Communism, just totalitarianism.

BTW, encrypt your hard drive. Make it such that whoever tries to search it gets a virus. There are numerous ways to make their job a little harder.

Fixed my post.

Honestly, what the fuck is going on ever since Obama became president? All of the laws and shit i've seen him put in place are just crunching down on us, and barely helping us out of this recession.

im glad we have the legislation "Private data protection act" over here.
As far as i am aware this has now stepped on the civilians toes, the big franchises and banks got us in the recession and what do they do? piss the people off even more.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

The exact opposite is Fascism...

And I wouldn't call it Communism, just totalitarianism.

BTW, encrypt your hard drive. Make it such that whoever tries to search it gets a virus. There are numerous ways to make their job a little harder.

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How would one go about doing such a thing if I might ask

What m00k asked. Also, what kind of fucked up Congress would allow this? Hopefully the Supreme Court hasn't been bought out to forget the 4th Amendment yet.

Barack's been too busy acting like some renegade hero of the universe to realize that there's a world economy currently in the shitter. We get it, you're trying to be different. Just remember: total uniqueness is the quickest way to get your ass replaced with someone who will do the job right.

Edit: I just realized that posting something to him from here is stupid. Sorry. To redeem myself, I suggest we do his job for him by raping our Congressmen with this idea:

Give every current taxpayer over the age of 50 $1 million, tax free. Then, these people must...
1. Immediately retire. These openings will create approximately 40 million jobs in the United States.
2. Either immediately pay off their mortgage or buy a new house altogether. This solves the bank/real estate problem.
3. Buy an American car. This solves the car company problem.

On average, this leaves people with around $750,000 per person to spare. This means that they will not require social security, and they (SS) can save their money until the gap is closed. All of this for about 1/20000th the price of our current plan.

oh wow.

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Originally Posted by flibitijibibo

What m00k asked. Also, what kind of fucked up Congress would allow this? Hopefully the Supreme Court hasn't been bought out to forget the 3rd Amendment yet (or the probable cause one. I dunno if that's correct).

Barack's been too busy acting like some renegade hero of the universe to realize that there's a world economy currently in the shitter. We get it, you're trying to be different. Just remember: total uniqueness is the quickest way to get your ass replaced with someone who will do the job right.

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but
flib
he's black

Where do you suggest they get that money flibitijibibo?

Where do we get the money for our current plan?

He's suggesting it to replace our current plan, not to add to it.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Side

Where do we get the money for our current plan?

He's suggesting it to replace our current plan, not to add to it.

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Originally Posted by Yuki

oh wow.

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This.. and has Obama become retarded? I used to like him.

Good thing I live in Canada. :|
Owai, they want to be more harsh in Canada about piracy. :eyesroll:

Damn, that was Dane who had that Obama conspiracy site, not Snaf.
Was it Snaf?

I'll have to use the *gasp* search button!

I think it was Dane... also any other links relating to this? I want to know if its really true.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Side

Damn, that was Dane who had that Obama conspiracy site, not Snaf.
Was it Snaf?

I'll have to use the *gasp* search button!

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Sorry the search only works on halomaps, not here.

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Originally Posted by Fear1337

I think it was Dane... also any other links relating to this? I want to know if its really true.

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Yep, Dane. Can a mod change the name please?
I found a small tidbit of it on CNN earlier, I didn't save the link though. I should have. I'll try to find it again.

I say they should be able to do this.

It was illegal before so why would it matter now?

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Originally Posted by Heathen

I say they should be able to do this.

It was illegal before so why would it matter now?

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Uhh, because it's violating Civil Rights.

I'm all for them being able to search for illegal software/etc. If we aren't doing anything wrong then why fear them? Just shows what kind of people we really are.

I'm all for buying all of my music, games, software, etc. It wouldn't be the end of the world. Not to mention, if it was passed then another president's administration would just come along and change it unless it actually helped our nation (or other nations).

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Originally Posted by Anton

I'm all for them being able to search for illegal software/etc. If we aren't doing anything wrong then why fear them? Just shows what kind of people we really are.

I'm all for buying all of my music, games, software, etc. It wouldn't be the end of the world. Not to mention, if it was passed then another president's administration would just come along and change it unless it actually helped our nation (or other nations).

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they can search your computer at any time how is that a good thing

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Originally Posted by Anton

I'm all for them being able to search for illegal software/etc. If we aren't doing anything wrong then why fear them? Just shows what kind of people we really are.

I'm all for buying all of my music, games, software, etc. It wouldn't be the end of the world. Not to mention, if it was passed then another president's administration would just come along and change it unless it actually helped our nation (or other nations).

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Of course I wouldn't fear them looking at any strange (yet still legal) shit I might have (not saying I have any). Why should I worry about the government knowing about my every opinion, fantasy, likes, and dislikes? I can't see any reason to fear such a thing.

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Hey guys, don't break laws and you'll be fine.

Yeah I have a shitload of private stuff on my pc that I don't want anybody else seeing and is why I only keep it on my laptop. This is bullshit.

Whats up unconstitutional. >:(
thats bullshit.
Dosen't that break one of the amendments? I think the 4th.

It's not really having illegal materials that makes this act bring my piss to a boil. It's more that this is the latest and greatest way for the government to take away another one of our rights. First it's searching digitally for no reason, then it's public searching IRL for no reason, then finally private home searching for the hell of it. It's a simple cause/effect problem. If people give leniency for something, then people in the future will be more inclined to give leniency for even more, and so on. For something like this, we can make no exceptions. You can crack down on pirates all you want, but not at the cost of my constitutional rights, assholes.

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Originally Posted by flibitijibibo

It's not really having illegal materials that makes this act bring my piss to a boil. It's more that this is the latest and greatest way for the government to take away another one of our rights. First it's searching digitally for no reason, then it's public searching IRL for no reason, then finally private home searching for the hell of it. It's a simple cause/effect problem. If people give leniency for something, then people in the future will be more inclined to give leniency for even more, and so on. For something like this, we can make no exceptions. You can crack down on pirates all you want, but not at the cost of my constitutional rights, assholes.

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This a million times this

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Originally Posted by flibitijibibo

It's not really having illegal materials that makes this act bring my piss to a boil. It's more that this is the latest and greatest way for the government to take away another one of our rights. First it's searching digitally for no reason, then it's public searching IRL for no reason, then finally private home searching for the hell of it. It's a simple cause/effect problem. If people give leniency for something, then people in the future will be more inclined to give leniency for even more, and so on. For something like this, we can make no exceptions. You can crack down on pirates all you want, but not at the cost of my constitutional rights, assholes.

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This is exactly what I think.

how about that encryption guys =D

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Originally Posted by ThePlague

Uhh, because it's violating Civil Rights.

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They've been violating our civil rights since we had civil rights. I dont give a shit. I don't have anything to hide.
Also, I cant find a real story about this. Give me a CNN story and I'll believe you.

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

I dont give a shit.

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Get out of my country you piece of shit.

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

They've been violating our civil rights since we had civil rights. I dont give a shit. I don't have anything to hide.
Also, I cant find a real story about this. Give me a CNN story and I'll believe you.

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Way to stand up for your rights. If anything, it will keep progressing, It never stops at just pcs. Wait till the police will be allowed to barge into your house unannounced without a search warrant and take shit out of your house because they can.

/dane

Wait, in the video they said that border patrols/boarder police can confiscate laptops and boarder crossings... Does this mean airports as well? What the fuck are they going to do? Delay flights even longer because they have to search everyone's fucking computer? And then what do they do when they get to my computer that has an encrypted hard drive that requires a 102400 bit encryption key to get past, heh (/sarcasm).

This is fucking gay.

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Originally Posted by disaster

Way to stand up for your rights. If anything, it will keep progressing, It never stops at just pcs. Wait till the police will be allowed to barge into your house unannounced without a search warrant and take shit out of your house because they can.

/dane

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At which point I whip out my SKS and pop a cap in their ass. They can say their going to do whatever they want. The question is, will I let them?

Is there any legitimate source for this, other than some Russian news station?

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

At which point I whip out my SKS and pop a cap in their ass. They can say their going to do whatever they want. The question is, will I let them?

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Have fun with trying that, because the minute you pull out a gun you will be shot, and most likely dead. Remember to record it while you attempt it, and get someone to post it here, because i'll be glad to watch you fail.

Wait, is this the law pertaining to confiscating HDD's at the border or at Airports? Because if it is, this isn't really that new. I heard about this a long time ago.

That won't worry me. I never travel by air/leave the country.

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Originally Posted by ThePlague

Have fun with trying that, because the minute you pull out a gun you will be shot, and most likely dead. Remember to record it while you attempt it, and get someone to post it here, because i'll be glad to watch you fail.

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I'll be happy to die for what I believe in, k thx, bai.

And I still want to see another source for this. I don't believe it.

Im all for upholding the law for copyrights and such, and all the music i posses i have in hard copy legitimately.
But when it comes to them going to MY Personal Computer which may hold private conversation logs from friends and family and holiday photographs i find it very personal and inappropriate, "so...you got about 10MB of conversation log files...anything we should know about before we look through all your personal conversations?"
seriously, it would be like if some random person walked in your house and looked through your underwear draw just to be nosey.

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Originally Posted by Jelly

Is there any legitimate source for this, other than some Russian news station?

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This. It's a youtube video guys, wait until you see an American news websites raging over this before you do ;0

Did I miss a link to a confirmed trust-able news source?

I was looking around and didn't find anything. Wouldn't this make headlines? :|

Firstly, I'm going to state that I dont agree they should be able to look at your stuff willy nilly...

However, I personally thought they could already do this. All they need to do is go "Oh we believe it impinges national security blah blah blah" and they will do whatever they want.

Consdering the US government has locked up people for years, no trial and you guys are bitching at them looking at your stuff?

You guys are also jumping to conclusions, I havent see the youtube video, havent had time so I went by this "source".

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But what if the Government decided to allow itself to access these personal devices for no specific reason whatsoever?

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That is asking a theortical question, that is not suggesting they will be able to do it for no reason.

You are all getting your panties in a twist with the slightest information.

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Originally Posted by higuy

Whats up unconstitutional. >:(
thats bullshit.
Dosen't that break one of the amendments? I think the 4th.

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"Wah wah boo hoo thats so unconstiutional we are suffering, they are breaking out civilian rights!!"

If you havent realised, the US government has a been unconsitutioal and breaking civilian rights for years. They keep trying to pass laws that enable them to do bad things, when they clearly broke the law before they tried to implement the new law.

You all need to wise up.

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Originally Posted by Timo

This. It's a youtube video guys, wait until you see an American news websites raging over this before you do ;0

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Since when was acquiring software/music/movies you didn't pay for a civil liberty?

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Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR

Since when was acquiring software/music/movies you didn't pay for a civil liberty?

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They don't have the right to search your shit without a warrant. Read the 4th ammendment. ANd I'm pretty sure they have to let you know first too.

Also, saying ahh well, they already do it isn't helping. They are just going to continue doing it and walking all over you. Its the whole reason they are even doing it in the first place is because people don't stand up for their rights anymore.

I want a credible source on this. kthx.

E: Paul Watson and the conspiracy clan doesn't count.

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Originally Posted by disaster

They don't have the right to search your shit without a warrant. Read the 4th ammendment. ANd I'm pretty sure they have to let you know first too.

People "aren't standing up for their rights" because it doesn't feel like we have to. For a vast majority of us, there aren't SWAT teams breaking into our homes and taking our computers away. So we don't care/don't care enough to go RAWR RAWR RAWR. Besides, I still think you guys are blowing this waaay out of proportion.

Also, saying ahh well, they already do it isn't helping. They are just going to
continue doing it and walking all over you.

It may not be helping, but getting riled up about it also doesn't help because they already do it anyway. Real problem is PATRIOT Act IMO.
Its the whole reason they are even doing it in the first place is because people don't stand up for their rights anymore.

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So, if your saying it breaks the 4th amendment, that means police officers in US can not pad you down and search for weapons, without a search warrant, same goes for airports.

But, surely they do that now.../sarcasm

Of course they do that now, now please explain why they can do that and I dont see you bitching and moaning about it, but this internet case you are making a fuss it breaks your rights.

Limited, does that really pertain to the fourth amendment? :\ Silly me not knowing the specific details on the bor's.

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Originally Posted by jngrow

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If this was real, which it probably isn't, I would be pretty fucking pissed if people could come up to me and search my shit for no reason.

Also border guards already have that power.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Side

He's passing a law that enables him to search ANYONE'S hard drive for no reason, confiscating whatever they deem fit, and arresting ANYONE in possession of:

• Pirated Songs (even 1), Games, Software.
• Items which "compromise national security", which can mean ANYTHING.
• Things which would get you arrested normally, such as underage nudity.

I don't know if they would access computers remotely, I'm assuming they probably would.

Big Brother is about to start watching us all, I'm afraid. Makes for things like this (from a guy on Youtube, grammar altered to make it readable):
It's called a personal computer for a reason.

E: Damnit, that was Dane who had that Obama conspiracy site, not Snaf. Though I think Snaf had one, too.

E2: Thanks.

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ahaha you take Russia Today seriously


p.s. the president can't 'pass' laws

p.p.s. i'm pretty sure the government has had power like this since the passage of USA PATRIOT vOv

Hasn't the FBI always been able to search anyones hard drive with legitimate incentive? And it sure is a good thing that you summarized the video. I cannot understand her accent worth a damn. :californian:

To all the people who are questioning sources:
I got it from a source who got it from a source who got it from a source.

It wasn't until AFTER I posted the thread that I managed to trace it back to Russia Today. I DID see something about it (or something similar) on CNN, but if I can't find the link and double-check it was, indeed, about what I thought it was, this is the only source.

ummmmm not MY music :cries:

I dont like buying FULL albums for 1 track, or those of us who can't buy over the internet. Plus when it comes to rap there are mixtapes which is basically a free underground additional track album. WTF about those?

Dark, I'd recommend locking this or editing your first post. A lot of people read the first post and don't read the rest of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Limited

So, if your saying it breaks the 4th amendment, that means police officers in US can not pad you down and search for weapons, without a search warrant, same goes for airports.

But, surely they do that now.../sarcasm

Of course they do that now, now please explain why they can do that and I dont see you bitching and moaning about it, but this internet case you are making a fuss it breaks your rights.

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We are talking about a direct order from the President to search/seize someone's hard drive, if I read the first post correctly "...allows him...". This is not the same thing as a cop running up to you and patting you down for no reason. Also, aren't you from the UK Limited? Are you sure you know everything about the 4th amendment? There are several exceptions to it.

because the president himself is going to search anyone, right?

close thread, gas

Indeed. I think this can only go downhill from here.