wtf?

[Sever]

...While we tend to cut some slack for people who are obviously from non-English-speaking places and make the fact known, i.e. YOYORAST...

Hell, Yohan is now much more proficient in the English language than half of the current forum users - including those who have been here since the beginning. That's just sad when someone who wasn't even raised speaking our language is better at it than a majority of our members.

[Zeph]

Several problems with that. If there is no one here willing to spend time moderating then what is the point of having moderators in the first place? If you are not going to spend time actually doing your job here then why do you keep the green letters above your name? For status? Obviously something has been very wrong here for a long time, for the love of god Ross pointed this out months ago with the whole Berkut thing yet all that came out of that was "lul Ross has an alt lolol". Nothing changed as a result of that even though there was proof that there was a problem.

You seem to be missing a key factor here. Maintaining these forums isn't our primary goal in life. I keep the green letters above my name for the times that I can. If you dont like it then go away. We're not binding you here or anything. Your argument is like bitching about how cops dont pull over every single person who speeds. If a cop is out on patrol, sees someone going 15 over the limit, they're gonna get pulled over. If that cop is back at the station doing something there, then speeders get away with it.

In life you're always going to run into situations like that.

If posting a hate list is grounds for being thrown in jail, well, remind me to never post a screenshot of my ignore list here because that just goes on for pages.

Good, you're acting like a grownup and just ignoring people. Posting a hatelist is sketchy, but posting a list saying so-and-so is a faggot, etc. is not.

I'm not sure why Emmzee was "thrown in jail" but the fact that he has been banned for 2 weeks without the moderators questioning it even though it was supposed to be just jail time makes me question whether any of you guys are aware of what each other are doing. It also makes me question, once again, if you really are trying to be mods so that you can help build a community or whether you just want the shiny badge on your chest without doing any of the work that it entails. Permission bug or not you guys obviously didn't notice the fact that his User name subtitle said "BANNED" as opposed to "In Detention", which screams negligence on the entire mod team's part.

I'll start where you began. You dont know why he was, so why are you bitching about it? The permission bug happened a bit after the detention began. Even if I accidentally chose the ban option instead of the dropbox, the end result is still the same. I mean come on, you can wage a little war to get it changed to from a detention to a ban. Congratulations, you win. Now you still have to wait for his time to be up. I think it's hilarious you think I should have checked his profile to realize his user-title was correct every moment of his time. I dont go through boards looking at every individual post. I go through lists looking through a user's post history, warnings, etc.

The fact that I honestly haven't seen Jcap or Ghost post on this site in months doesn't help either. Yes, now we have Polar Bear as a [strike]mod[strike] admin. Thats 1 administrator watching an entire site with thousands of members.

Oh yeah, because you definitely know that Polar is here to do coding work to improve the site. Ghost and Jcap are still active. They might not post outside the admin areas much, but they're here. Just because you dont see god standing infront of you doesn't mean he cant/wont smite you.

Obviously that is going well considering there are about 10,000 of these threads floating around in off-topic.

Yeah. Sure. Over reacting much? Even in the trash thread, there's not even five ranging the history of this board.

As for the second thing, what exactly is keeping you stuck as a moderator here? Last I checked there wasn't any rule anywhere that said a mod could not step down. If you don't like hearing people telling the mods, the ones with power in this quasi-democratic system about their problems then I don't think that you should be a mod. Hell, this applies to every mod. If you can't put the time and effort into keeping the community a safe and productive place then step down and let someone more worthy take your place. Modship should not be simply a tool to exert your power over others. Modship should not be used as a tool to show yourself how cool you think you are. Modship should be a symbol of your devotion to keeping the community healthy. And to be honest the only ones I have seen here all day actively showing this spirit are the ones you are saying are bitching unjustly. The ones who had enough balls to say that there is a problem and to try and bring it to everyone's attention. The ones who have tried and tried again to bring these problems to your attention. The ones who have spent their time and energy on a god damn forum for 2 half dead games that somehow manages to thrive even with these limitations. What we have here is a community, a family. This family is being slowly destroyed by this.

Yeah, that works well in a communist or militaristic state, but this is just a site owned by one of my friends. Dont get me wrong, it's great that you think that, but your expectations are ultimately too high. Nothing is keeping me from asking to be demoded. I actually have before when I realized I was going to be on campus for about 60 hours a week. Really, by your argument, Ghost should stop paying the bill for the site since he "never shows up".
I wouldn't say either of these games are thriving nor this community could be considered family. I've experienced the "this place is being destroyed, no one is going to ever come here again" thing multiple times. I happened with Nitro way back with H2CE, it happened with a couple of GBE'ers, and it's even happened here before.

I just went and picked a random zero post member. Now tell me, if this guy posted a list with the names of a hundred or so people on this board in such a manner would you complain if he was banned/put in detention? Do you think we'd be having this conversation? I dont. I honestly only look at names of users when I open up a reported post or peruse the boards. I didn't even know who Fried was until he started negative repping me for me warning him after he called someone a faggot.

[Rob Oplawar]

Rabble rabble rabble rabble!

I'm sorry. I admit that it is hard to run a forum, it is hard to be fair, it is nigh impossible to keep track of everything that is said on the forums, and I accept that you're trying your hardest. I apologize for being so inflammatory earlier, and I admit I overreacted, oversimplified, and overlooked certain things. I guess that's just me being an asshole.

In keeping with that tradition, I refuse to step down from my complaints about the moderators and administrators, namely, the fact that yes indeed they do have lives outside this forum and often don't have time to be patrolling. Yes, I guess that in effect I am complaining about the fact that the moderators have lives.

Hear me out.

All the other dichotomies popularized by goofy tee-shirts notwithstanding, I'd like to add my own. There are two types of people in the world- those who justify their inaction by stating the difficulties of action, and those who take action anyway, despite the challenge.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with either type; it's quite alright to decide something is too difficult for one to accomplish. But for Christ's sake, the one thing I hate the most in people is when people who take a task upon themselves and then justify their reluctance to actually perform that task by stating that it is hard for them.

Look, we all know it's hard, although since few of us have ever been in your position we don't know quite how hard.

So, I'm expecting someone in charge to step up to the plate and say one of two things, and I won't spell them out for you. Just know that if your response seems obvious to you it's probably obvious to me too, so you don't have to angrily shout it at me like I'm a moron. I just want to hear you say it and then I'll drop the whole thing.

[Tweek]

I just want to hear you say it and then I'll drop the whole thing.

COCKS!

there, i did it.

[Rob Oplawar]

Close, but way off.

e: oh right dur, it was Zeph who was talking about finals. All hostilities and argument aside, good luck with finals. =)

[Rosco]

I was close to taking note of your signature but then I realised you're just a concerned being who lives here.

The only reason I believe things are run the way they are in some circumstances, not to do with a banlist or anything, but the fact mods don't want to sift through countless posts saying lemme in the cooldudes forums or something.

Please note this post is a general guess at what's going on, I find this stuff way too serious for me to spend time comprehending.

[Roostervier]

Zeph, if posting that list was a bannable offense to a person such as Aggy, or to anyone else... why was the author not banned (I'm well aware of who it is. I'm not against him, but I've got to keep with equality)? If posting a list saying so-and-so is a faggot is indeed wrong, then why was the post ever allowed to exist in the first place? Should it not have been deleted?

Also, your cop to mod analogy was a very bad comparison. A cop patrolling the streets and a cop doing his job back at the station both have a common theme. That is, he is doing his job either way. A mod who is out monitoring the forum and a mod who is too busy to be out monitoring the forum (aka doing his job) is not the same thing as the cop on patrol and the cop back at the station, as the mod wouldn't be doing his job. So, as legonaire said, if you are too busy to do your job, then step down.

[Tweek]

Zeph, if posting that list was a bannable offense to a person such as Aggy, or to anyone else... why was the author not banned (I'm well aware of who it is. I'm not against him, but I've got to keep with equality)? If posting a list saying so-and-so is a faggot is indeed wrong, then why was the post ever allowed to exist in the first place? Should it not have been deleted?

Also, your cop to mod analogy was a very bad comparison. A cop patrolling the streets and a cop doing his job back at the station both have a common theme. That is, he is doing his job either way. A mod who is out monitoring the forum and a mod who is too busy to be out monitoring the forum (aka doing his job) is not the same thing as the cop on patrol and the cop back at the station, as the mod wouldn't be doing his job. So, as legonaire said, if you are too busy to do your job, then step down.

i'm sorry, but that's one of the more DUMB posts i have seen you make in a long while.

[Roostervier]

Care to explain a little, tweek? If you don't have anything backing that statement, then I kindly ask you to retract it.

[Tweek]

you're saying ban people who make a list.
that's like stealing someones diary, reading it, and telling him OH MY FGOD YOU SAID THIS AND THIS!
ok it's not really, but my brain is shutting down, and i cant think of anythign better atm.

it's hippo-crit, and paranoid

also, it's a fucking forum, internet, not like it's got any unfluence on how your life will turn out.
i've been holding back in this issue all the time, but my opinion to all the nay-sayers here:

plainly:

profanity AHOY!

shut up, quit your whining, put up with it, or gtfo.
we all have better stuff to do than read your crybabying about oh no my friend got banned, waah waah waah.
repcircling, conspiracy, secret plots and discrimination.
give it a fuckign rest already, everyone knows your opinions about the state here. objections have been noted. now MOVE THE FUCK ON.

INTERNET! SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.