The $800 billion dollar Stimulus Bill

[STLRamsFan]

The bill isn't perfect (then again what is perfect in politics?) but something needs to be done with how bad a state this economy is in. I'm all for something that could help out both in the short run and long run. I hope this bill ends up being a good investment when passed but only time will tell whether or not this was a good investment. And quite frankly, I could careless that it's over 1000 pages long. Heck if it were 2000, bring it on. Can't have a bill without details... Last thing I want is a 2 page bill with regards to something like this.

[DaneO'Roo]

Here is the nitty gritty truth, researching the facts and simply looking at history and current states will prove it all correct. Please read if you wish to form a legible argument. If you don't read it, and further attempt to insult me with your own stupidity and ignorance, then you don't have the right to keep arguing if your going to ignore information.





The Federal Reserve Bank creates loans at interest. The US government gets all money from them in the form of government bonds. This 800 billion dollars will have to not only be re payed back, but also with interest which could effectively double or triple it by the time it's actually payed off.

That could be at minimum1.6 trillion dollars debt.

But here's the catch: It can't and won't ever be paid off. There isn't and wont be enough money in circulation to ever do so.

So why is this continuing?

Because our current system works, sure, works only as long as we can keep pumping fake stimulus packages into it. However, those won't work anymore, seeing as the bottleneck that has long been approaching since the formation of the FED has finally reached us.

So why is this continuing?

Because this federal reserve monetary way of economy was never intended to be solid. It was intended to be a long prolonged fail. The part where it crumbles is the part that is the most important to these owners of yours.

See when the market and the economy crashes (which it will, totally and undoubtedly fall to the ground [Japan is now in a depression, the others will follow suit]) stock values and share prices will plummet, and just like in the great depression, corporations and businesses that aren't currently owned by the government will be bought up at cheap prices (good palatable example is the current Midway game publisher shady bankruptcy, look it up).


So then when the corporations have monopolized and liquidated the former competition, what happens next?

The next stage of the new Tri Lateral Agreement. 3 grouped dollar markets, the Amero, the Euro(which already exists, thats a 3rd of the work gone already) and the Australasia.

Then of course those 3 will merge together creating the one world government.

Sounds like peace doesn't it? Joining together, becoming all good buddies and sharing the same rates and dollar, same conditions, same laws?

Peace, no, all the fish in one barrel? Yes.


Even ignoring all the federal reserve stuff, there is still the point that this money, can't ever be paid off.

Now does that 800 billion+ dollars of debt sound like help to you?

Does a man who endorses said problem, sound like a man you can put faith into? Says some little prepared speeches with no action and now all of a sudden he's a savior?

Sorry gang, but the government have literally pulled the ultimate race card out of the bag, and you've all fallen for it.

They used the black race as slaves in the beginning to build and industrialize their country, now they're using the black race against you to.....further rebuild and industrial your country while you become slaves to the very thing you swore to protect.

[Phopojijo]

I'm coming to America for university. Something to stimulate the economy is definitely welcomed, the question is what steps are being taken to achieve that stimulation. It's a bit unnerving when the politicians use the number "billion" so casually though.

Here's the problem...

Corruption occurred for decades now.

We're really really fucked up.

We need to think not about billions and trillions and such... we need to think about where we want to be headed and how to get there.

Right now we want to recover ~3 trillion dollars (I hope I'm getting that number right) that vanished from our economy.

Billions right now are peanuts compared to the craphole we're sunk in.

[CN3089]

First post is correct.


The 800 billion dollars is literally not going to do anything at all, and only add to the debt. Which is of course the grand plan. Crash economy, buy up corporations at cheap as shit prices, just like before.

It's not going to stimulate anything, other than the tight anus of Ben Bernanke as he wedges your superannuation up his ass.

Here is the nitty gritty truth, researching the facts and simply looking at history and current states will prove it all correct. Please read if you wish to form a legible argument. If you don't read it, and further attempt to insult me with your own stupidity and ignorance, then you don't have the right to keep arguing if your going to ignore information.





The Federal Reserve Bank creates loans at interest. The US government gets all money from them in the form of government bonds. This 800 billion dollars will have to not only be re payed back, but also with interest which could effectively double or triple it by the time it's actually payed off.

That could be at minimum1.6 trillion dollars debt.

But here's the catch: It can't and won't ever be paid off. There isn't and wont be enough money in circulation to ever do so.

So why is this continuing?

Because our current system works, sure, works only as long as we can keep pumping fake stimulus packages into it. However, those won't work anymore, seeing as the bottleneck that has long been approaching since the formation of the FED has finally reached us.

So why is this continuing?

Because this federal reserve monetary way of economy was never intended to be solid. It was intended to be a long prolonged fail. The part where it crumbles is the part that is the most important to these owners of yours.

See when the market and the economy crashes (which it will, totally and undoubtedly fall to the ground [Japan is now in a depression, the others will follow suit]) stock values and share prices will plummet, and just like in the great depression, corporations and businesses that aren't currently owned by the government will be bought up at cheap prices (good palatable example is the current Midway game publisher shady bankruptcy, look it up).


So then when the corporations have monopolized and liquidated the former competition, what happens next?

The next stage of the new Tri Lateral Agreement. 3 grouped dollar markets, the Amero, the Euro(which already exists, thats a 3rd of the work gone already) and the Australasia.

Then of course those 3 will merge together creating the one world government.

Sounds like peace doesn't it? Joining together, becoming all good buddies and sharing the same rates and dollar, same conditions, same laws?

Peace, no, all the fish in one barrel? Yes.


Even ignoring all the federal reserve stuff, there is still the point that this money, can't ever be paid off.

Now does that 800 billion+ dollars of debt sound like help to you?

Does a man who endorses said problem, sound like a man you can put faith into? Says some little prepared speeches with no action and now all of a sudden he's a savior?

Sorry gang, but the government have literally pulled the ultimate race card out of the bag, and you've all fallen for it.

They used the black race as slaves in the beginning to build and industrialize their country, now they're using the black race against you to.....further rebuild and industrial your country while you become slaves to the very thing you swore to protect.

stop posting and go back to zogbush911fedreservezeitgeisttruthronpaul08cialoos echangejfk.com

[FluffyDucky™]

I knew dane would have something to say. :P Msn with him on this topic is brain sizzling. Haha.

[CN3089]

I knew dane would have something to say. :P Msn with him on this topic is brain sizzling. Haha.

in the same sort of way that discussing geology with young earth creationists is brain sizzling

[Warsaw]

There's one big difference between now and the Great Depression though...a disturbingly high proportion of jobs are now overseas, meaning less people here are hired, which translates to Americans not having money to spend. And then they don't spend, which cripples the economy further. having jobs over seas means that even if something were to kickstart the economy (like WWII did), a lot of that work is not being done here and a lot of that new money will not be payed to Americans, meaning it will take longer to get out of the hole.

Solution: annex China outsource less. I know outsourcing is a perfectly logical thing to do, and often benefits the consumer, but when shit hits the fan and all your money is leaving the country, then it's time to pack it in and head home...or leave completely and set up shop where your employee base is.

[Rob Oplawar]

Here's my plan:
We look at it like an RTS.

The dumbasses are all allied with us right now. So we say to them: "Dudes I got a depression help me out send me some gold and iron and wood."
We take all we can get, then we spend half of all our money building a shitton of barackses and airports and factories and shit, and then spend the rest of our money building as many units as we can.
In the meantime, we go to Eurasia and build a bunch of cheap, strategically placed outposts- if our builders get taken out along the way it's no big deal, because the individual outpost is not the point.

We send out our builders and perhaps a couple of low-level units from our outposts into enemy territory and aggro some scouts, then retreat back into our "allies" territory. We keep doing this until our allies and enemies get drawn into their own conflicts and they say "Dued help us America" to which we will be forced to reply "shit dawg sorry I still gots a depression." Russia against Europe, the middle east against the other middle east, China against Korea, etc.

This is where the magic happens. We wait until our allies are almost dead, then we send in all the bombers we built at the airports and bomb the fuck out of Russia, the middle east, and Korea while they're still off ass raping our allies. They'll all immediately send their troops back, but their forces will be weakened from the fighting and exposed while moving. We use our remaining bombers to take down the units' armor while our ground troops sweep in to finish them off.

Now, depending on our success in these battles we may have two options. Either way, we have to immediately finish off our enemies before they recover, or else they'll retreat to some corner of the map world and annoy us for the rest of the game century, although they don't pose a serious threat anymore. If wiping them out hasn't dropped our army size too significantly, or if we can rebuild our units fast enough, we now have the option of un-allying and wiping out the rest of Europe, the middle East, and the far East, since they've already had their defenses destroyed.
We also take out Mexico and Canada as a matter of course, but that doesn't really take much strategizing.

Bang swoop, we now control the three northern continents; fuck the southern hemisphere, their continent bonuses are nowhere near ours. The game is won.

[flibitijibibo]

Here's my plan:
We look at it like an RTS.

The dumbasses are all allied with us right now. So we say to them: "Dudes I got a depression help me out send me some gold and iron and wood."
We take all we can get, then we spend half of all our money building a shitton of barackses and airports and factories and shit, and then spend the rest of our money building as many units as we can.
In the meantime, we go to Eurasia and build a bunch of cheap, strategically placed outposts- if our builders get taken out along the way it's no big deal, because the individual outpost is not the point.

We send out our builders and perhaps a couple of low-level units from our outposts into enemy territory and aggro some scouts, then retreat back into our "allies" territory. We keep doing this until our allies and enemies get drawn into their own conflicts and they say "Dued help us America" to which we will be forced to reply "shit dawg sorry I still gots a depression." Russia against Europe, the middle east against the other middle east, China against Korea, etc.

This is where the magic happens. We wait until our allies are almost dead, then we send in all the bombers we built at the airports and bomb the fuck out of Russia, the middle east, and Korea while they're still off ass raping our allies. They'll all immediately send their troops back, but their forces will be weakened from the fighting and exposed while moving. We use our remaining bombers to take down the units' armor while our ground troops sweep in to finish them off.

Now, depending on our success in these battles we may have two options. Either way, we have to immediately finish off our enemies before they recover, or else they'll retreat to some corner of the map world and annoy us for the rest of the game century, although they don't pose a serious threat anymore. If wiping them out hasn't dropped our army size too significantly, or if we can rebuild our units fast enough, we now have the option of un-allying and wiping out the rest of Europe, the middle East, and the far East, since they've already had their defenses destroyed.
We also take out Mexico and Canada as a matter of course, but that doesn't really take much strategizing.

Bang swoop, we now control the three northern continents; fuck the southern hemisphere, their continent bonuses are nowhere near ours. The game is won.

/thread

[Huero]

alright rob but what do we do about the russian zeppelins