Cerebrum Halo CE Game Tracking

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Dennis demands that the global ban-list be opt-in. Thoughts?

Not going to happen. Anyone on the banlist is absolute scum and we don't want them clogging our stats.

HOWEVER, I had the thought of offering multiple banlists some could subscribe to in addition to the mandatory botters/hackers banlist. I don't know what those other categories would be, but if there is ever any controversal ban criteria, that's what these would be made of.

Also, he called us "anonymous moderators." We are in no way anonymous, and we will maintain the banlist to the highest degree. There will be no subjective bans or bias. Of course, we'll also have a one-shot appeal process. If you don't like it, simple: don't use it, and be out of the features the app offers. This can only benefit the game by cleaning up the mess it is right now.

[Masterz1337]

So this app will ban people you the creator think are scum?

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So this app will ban people you the creator think are scum?

*know

And read the rest of the post.

[Masterz1337]

That's fucking sad.

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Please comment further on what is wrong with it. You're not being constructive in your opinion, and in no way is it helping us.

I have demonstrated how it is beneficial to us and the community. It can only positively affect us.

The only ones who should be worried are those who are doing wrong, and will or have been caught.

[klange]

That's fucking sad.

We're talking about proven botters and hackers, people who shouldn't be playing the game if that's how they're going to play it. If you don't want to keep these people out of your servers with a ban list we openly manage, then you shouldn't get the benefit of stat tracking and all the other things we offer.

[p0lar_bear]

So Masterz, by your logic, Valve is sad for offering VAC.

I would imagine the people behind the moderation aren't going to ban people they don't like just to spite, and they're not going to ban everyone on the first report. If enough complaints come in on one person and there is concrete evidence that they're cheating, then a ban comes along. If someone is a tried and true asshat to people with teamkilling and being an annoying prick, ban. We're not talking about the occasional trole who's bored with the current 2-hour stalemate on Blood Gulch, we mean the dickheads who join, teamkill two people, quit, and repeat.

Stow the fucking vendettas plzkthx.

[Masterz1337]

It's none of your jobs to control this game, nor should any individual be forcing their will on people. You might as well be telling people to convert to your religion or get out of your city. If someone wants to use a globalized ban list you guys make, good for them, give them that option. But you shouldn't be forcing them to ban the people on your list just because they want to use an app, that frankly, you guys didn't create.

I see this is just a way to have more control over people that have nothing to do with you. Leave it up to the server owners to decide if they want to use your banlist.

Edit: I'm not the one with the vendetta. See my sig?

[klange]

It's none of your jobs to control this game, nor should any individual be forcing their will on people. You might as well be telling people to convert to your religion or get out of your city. If someone wants to use a globalized ban list you guys make, good for them, give them that option. But you shouldn't be forcing them to ban the people on your list just because they want to use an app, that frankly, you guys didn't create.

I see this is just a way to have more control over people that have nothing to do with you. Leave it up to the server owners to decide if they want to use your banlist.

Excuse me?

[jcap]

It's none of your jobs to control this game, nor should any individual be forcing their will on people. You might as well be telling people to convert to your religion or get out of your city. If someone wants to use a globalized ban list you guys make, good for them, give them that option. But you shouldn't be forcing them to ban the people on your list just because they want to use an app, that frankly, you guys didn't create.

I see this is just a way to have more control over people that have nothing to do with you. Leave it up to the server owners to decide if they want to use your banlist.

Edit: I'm not the one with the vendetta. See my sig?

Damn, I didn't think it was possible to take this and throw it that far out of proportion. We are doing what we need to do to create a reliable system for gathering stats. At the same time, it is creating a clean, friendly, cheat-free environment that anyone can play in. Server administrators should be thankful they are being provided a tool to lessen the burden on them for maintaining their server. What we are doing is just like PunkBuster or VAC, as p0lar has stated. Shame on them for ridding games of cheaters!~

In no way are we forcing this on anyone. You just came out of nowhere with that. This is a free server app that will be provided by us, and you will be able to use it at your own will. If you don't like something the app offers, then you are free to use another. Comparing this to religion is apples to oranges, especially since you're not even half right about your assumption. A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

The banlist will have a great affect on us. We won't have inconsistent and unreliable stats due to cheaters and teamkillers. This is for the integrity of the stats system, with a secondhand benefit to server administrators.

There has still been no argument presented as for why it should be optional. Unless someone can draw up a valid concern, this conversation should be over.