Cerebrum Halo CE Game Tracking

[Ki11a_FTW]

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Masterz vs. Jcap: Take 3

also, looking forward to the app, should be very beneficial

[Donut]

Dennis demands that the global ban-list be opt-in. Thoughts?

i think so. some people want to host 24/7 banfree kind of servers or just not discriminate. its not like people dont have a choice if you make it opt-in. they can choose whether their servers should use the global banlist or not. imo you would be crippling the awesomeness of your program if you enforced mandatory ban lists

[Masterz1337]

^Thats a valid reason.

Excuse me?

My mistake, I was thinking of the thread my post was originally with rec0s app.

[jcap]

i think so. some people want to host 24/7 banfree kind of servers or just not discriminate. its not like people dont have a choice if you make it opt-in. they can choose whether their servers should use the global banlist or not. imo you would be crippling the awesomeness of your program if you enforced mandatory ban lists

Well if that's the case, then use another person's app. We don't want their player statistics anyway if they are going to run a cesspool for a server. I'm plenty sure the honest player base would greatly appreciate not having to deal with the fear of being aimbotted anymore too, being that all servers collecting stats will be a "green zone" for fair gameplay. We wouldn't have any "awesome" in our app if it wasn't for the secure measures we're putting into it.

It's not like people aren't warned about being cheating. It's a taboo across all games. Why should we be enabling them? They should be discriminated against because they broke the honor code and trust among the community. In fact, I look at anyone in disgust who enables them with servers who allow this to go on freely.

Again, what we are doing is providing a service. We need to run it this way to accomplish our goal. There's really no reason you should be upset unless you're protecting someone who would be affected because of cheating. I guess I should be sorry I don't have the same passion for cheaters and pirates that you do......or not.

[Rentafence]

We don't want their player statistics anyway if they are going to run a cesspool for a server.

I agree with a mandatory and universal ban list because of this. It would defeat the purpose of the app to have player stats for possible cheaters.

[p0lar_bear]

Masterz, you are blowing this out of proportion.

Well if that's the case, then use another person's app. We don't want their player statistics anyway if they are going to run a cesspool for a server.

I'm going to stop you right there and say that the quality of a server based soley on what it runs is entirely subjective. I agree that raking stats in from casual pubs is stupid, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're a cesspool. If I want to fuck around, I join a bloodgulch/ctf_2fort/ctf-face server, and I'm happy they're there for me to fuck around in.

What we should do is have two types of global bans: a cheating ban and a courtesy ban. Server operators can choose whether to manage their own banlists (stats off, banfree servers), enforce cheating bans (casual stats, 24/7 stalemate and 100 cap servers), or enforce all bans (competitive stats, competitive/scrim servers). The two stats types are akin to Social and Ranked service records on b.net. I don't really play competitive servers, but I would like to know just how many skulls I've bashed in with the flag or how many times I've died from grenade spam.

At any rate, we aren't forcing this down peoples' throats anyway. It's an app for OS-enabled servers that admins can choose to install if they want stat tracking. It's like SourceMod for Source Dedicated Servers; nice to have, but it's not like anyone is forcing you to install it on your server.

[Advancebo]

Im thinking the app should have a popup with a question like:

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A person on the suggested ban list wants to join the server, will you let him join?

[Yes] [No]

Options:
[]Always ask about this person?
[]Always let this person in?
[]Never let this person in?
(This can be changed through Settings)
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Just a suggestion

Also, if a person is on the banlist, will they be banned from their own server that they make, both dedi or ingame?

[SnaFuBAR]

Masters, not blocking cheaters who will taint people's K/D ratio completely defeats the purpose of stats tracking. Any argument against mandatory banlists is completely invalidated by this fact.

End of.

[Donut]

Well if that's the case, then use another person's app. We don't want their player statistics anyway if they are going to run a cesspool for a server. I'm plenty sure the honest player base would greatly appreciate not having to deal with the fear of being aimbotted anymore too, being that all servers collecting stats will be a "green zone" for fair gameplay. We wouldn't have any "awesome" in our app if it wasn't for the secure measures we're putting into it.

It's not like people aren't warned about being cheating. It's a taboo across all games. Why should we be enabling them? They should be discriminated against because they broke the honor code and trust among the community. In fact, I look at anyone in disgust who enables them with servers who allow this to go on freely.

Again, what we are doing is providing a service. We need to run it this way to accomplish our goal. There's really no reason you should be upset unless you're protecting someone who would be affected because of cheating. I guess I should be sorry I don't have the same passion for cheaters and pirates that you do......or not.

well bacon asked for people's input, so i gave mine. obviously cheating is bad, but banlists arnt just limited to cheating. i know you guys said yours would be cheaters only, but im saying if a person aimbots one time or get accused of it then banned, and another person has a server and wants the first guy to be able to play on it, its sucks that he has to choose between the awesome server app or his friend. or what if you disabled stat tracking for people who opt out of the ban list? again, you guys are asking for suggestions, and im just giving them. no need to attack me for that

[Advancebo]

Yeah, why ban them from the game, why not rather ban them from stat tracking, and anything that person does to other players. Such as getting 25 aimbot kills on a player, that player wont get tracked for the deaths caused by the aimbotter.