Zteam Update, yes we are still alive! [28.8k warning]

[Choking Victim]

Don't worry about it, I read your post. My answer was sufficient, I wont be downgraded to name calling.

[CtrlAltDestroy]

While I acknowledge and respect the points you have made, I'll have to ask you to keep your argument out of this thread and between me through PMs or instant messaging, if you wish to continue it.

As for the animation extractor, our decision stands. Stop posting about it.

[il Duce Primo]

If it has helped you it will most likely help others. Why not help others when you can? Keeping to yourself is plain and simple, selfish.

[Flyboy]

Though I agree that all this should go public may I say agree to what CAD says if you don't want this to turn into another CMT blackout. <_<

[sdavis117]

Zteam made it, so they should say if it is released or not. If they say they don't want to release it, then they shouldn't have to release it.

[JunkfoodMan]

Doesn't mean we can't convince them to release it

[ShadowSpartan]

Doesn't mean we can't convince them to release it

Or more like annoy us to the point where we don't release anything at all, don't push your luck.

[Amit]

It's not really nice to show off the tools then be like "oh, btw, no soup for you! lololololololol". I really don't see the point in showing off something to the community when you'll never release it. You only have yourself to blame for gripes and complaints when you do that.

Well gripes go up, not down right?

Well obviously some people think they are god and never utilized ANY source code, or got advice or help from ANYONE for anything...and you also managed to reverse engineer absolutely everything about halo/halo2 yourself, without the assistance of anyone or any other apps. COUGH ASSHOLE COUGH BULLSHIT. Thing is, you wouldnt have know 3/4 of what you know now, if it wasnt for others releasing what they found out. It would literally take you decades to get all the information by yourself, to understand ANY mapfile enuff to do what we can do now, AS A COMMUNITY.

Am I a "fucking ingrate'? No. You are. Obviously you intend on keeping a 'holier than thou' attitude, and think you are absolutley king SHIT on TURD Island. You are a joke. Sure u might be able to program, but a few classes and most others can too. You have no sense of decency, charisma, clarity is way beyond your compreshension, I could go on and on.

You sir, fail completely to open your eyes and look beyond your own screen and realize what all the oldtimers AND newcomers have made possible for YOU to understand about modding. You are a complete fucking loser, in terms of modding. Newcomers join and leave everyday, when they see posts with attitudes like yours. Halomods.com is just one example. They have an admins over there that comepletely enjoy making newbies look stooopid for the simple enjoyment of it. Hence Halomods.com traffic is 1/10th what it used to be. They fail to realize that everyone was a noobie at one point. Whether modders are 12 or 50 years old, they don't enjoy being made to look bad, or feel bad, or see others with "Na Na Na I Made It And You Can't Have It!" attitudes.

I have learned something new about the mapfiles from each and every single source code ever posted. Plain and simple truth.

I hope you enjoy pushing old and new members out of the community. Congrats to you and your 'team", as you call it.

Um...do you realize they are just some of the very few that started all this? The body and brain of each member of the ZTeam are a very intelligent team. Now, multiply that by three and you get an awesome team.

Obviously u didnt read my post, or cannot comprehend what true/total reverse engineering is. I will not comment anymore on your failure for understanding what I posted. Others will know. Hell, even some noobies will be able to see and understand what I mean. You sir, apparently are wearing rose colored glasses, and are blinded by your app's abilities.

Theres no doubt halo model injection was flawed, but how would you even have known where to look without it? Any dumbass (as you have proven) would also know to look where the model lies for animations information.

Handicaps such as yours are the ones that I am truly afraid of in this world.

Umm...have you been lurking around the Halo community for the past 5 years? Or are you some long time member who is trying to trap someone naive to fall into your flame trap? DUDE! Who the hell are you?

Seriously people, it shows as a bitch move but there is something you guys are forgetting. In nature, it's a world where you do what you want. It's dog-eat-dog. If you kill someone, well there you go. It's not right but you just did it. Someone else will just come along and do it to you if they desire to.

What I'm getting at is that they can show what they want and not release it. There is no law saying they must. And back to nature now; if you guys want the tools so badly and can't have them, you have a few choices:

1. Annoy the shit out of them till they release it or, the more likely, destroy it.
2. Persuade the admins of all halo related websites and communities to IP ban them on identification.
3. Go find them in real life and take the tools for yourself. Torture and kill them if you find it feasible.

4. Or you can be practical and accept it.

I dislike their decision but you must still respect it.

[kenney001]

Do you people not read?

Animation injection: The one thing that we actually need, they said they might release later on down the road. This is the one program that the community would improve with, and I think great custom content can come from this.

Animation extraction: Releasing this would be death to all custom content. It would allow people just to rip their animations instead of create their own, and probably violate a few EULA rules. Its fine if Zteam makes this themselves for the learning, uses it to create one single awesome h2 clone that would be damn-near impossible to recreate, and keeps it to themselves, but it is not something I want spread into the public. That would be a disaster. Remember what happened with HEK+? A horrid avalanche of identical ripped animations to ensue.

Looks nice guys, keep it up.

[wanger]

Or more like annoy us to the point where we don't release anything at all, don't push your luck.

^^Limed for truth.